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Post by snowsilver on Oct 10, 2022 20:57:33 GMT
I am stunned at this story. Apparently Belgium is one of 7 countries that allows this. She was only TWENTY-THREE!! I understand the trauma, but there was a lot of life ahead of her. A 23-year-old Belgian woman who survived a deadly Islamic State bombing of a Brussels airport opted to die by euthanasia after years of mental health issues stemming from the attack. "That day really cracked her, she never felt safe after that," Shanti De Corte's mother, Marielle, told Belgian news station VRT of her daughter's struggles since the 2016 ISIS attack on Brussels Airport in Zaventem, according to a recent report by the Daily Mail. De Corte was a 17-year-old student traveling with classmates when terrorists affiliated with ISIS detonated a bomb in the airport in March 2016. She was walking through the departures lounge when the explosion rocked the airport, killing 33 people and wounding an additional 340. Though De Corte survived the blast and did not suffer any physical injuries, the mental trauma of the day haunted her for the rest of her life. link
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Post by myshelly on Oct 10, 2022 21:00:51 GMT
This should be allowed everywhere.
My body, my choice should apply to not only abortion, but to every medical decision including end of life.
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Post by gar on Oct 10, 2022 21:01:59 GMT
I am stunned at this story. Apparently Belgium is one of 7 countries that allows this. She was only TWENTY-THREE!! I understand the trauma, but there was a lot of life ahead of her. A 23-year-old Belgian woman who survived a deadly Islamic State bombing of a Brussels airport opted to die by euthanasia after years of mental health issues stemming from the attack. "That day really cracked her, she never felt safe after that," Shanti De Corte's mother, Marielle, told Belgian news station VRT of her daughter's struggles since the 2016 ISIS attack on Brussels Airport in Zaventem, according to a recent report by the Daily Mail. De Corte was a 17-year-old student traveling with classmates when terrorists affiliated with ISIS detonated a bomb in the airport in March 2016. She was walking through the departures lounge when the explosion rocked the airport, killing 33 people and wounding an additional 340. Though De Corte survived the blast and did not suffer any physical injuries, the mental trauma of the day haunted her for the rest of her life. link Well maybe you don’t quite understand the trauma - almost impossible I would guess if you haven’t had that experience. Yes she perhaps had ‘years ahead of her’ but years of mental trauma and suffering was obviously not what she chose. |
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Post by snowsilver on Oct 10, 2022 21:03:09 GMT
REALLY?? You think an 18-year-old kid whose girlfriend just broke up with him and believes life is over, should be allowed to make such a decision?? I can't disagree with you more.
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Post by gar on Oct 10, 2022 21:04:48 GMT
What kid?
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Post by snowsilver on Oct 10, 2022 21:11:43 GMT
No specific kid. I was responding to myshelly and should have used the quote feature. I was simply giving a possible (and likely) case scenario. |
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Post by gar on Oct 10, 2022 21:12:52 GMT
No specific kid. I was responding to myshelly and should have used the quote feature. I was simply giving a possible (and likely) case scenario. Ok, but that’s an entirely different discussion to the link you posted. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 10, 2022 21:17:15 GMT
I have a friend who is a strong advocate for this here in the states and California.
I have no idea what other people go through and if this is something they choose, then I support them. We all can't hold everyone to the same zone I guess for lack of better word of where one is having a hard time and may want to choose that path.
I have someone in my life who has battled a very hard cancer and it has taken a lot from them. They will never not have cancer. And they wish they could just go peacefully.
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 10, 2022 21:18:54 GMT
OP just so you know there is much to this choice. Counseling. Support for family and friends.
You can't just one day decide life is over and go and do this.
I suggest you educate yourself on this option.
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 10, 2022 21:19:27 GMT
You also do not get to decide what another has ahead of them.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 10, 2022 21:22:41 GMT
No specific kid. I was responding to myshelly and should have used the quote feature. I was simply giving a possible (and likely) case scenario. That is not at all a likely scenario with the procedures in the case you yourself picked to link in the OP. It doesn’t sound like you have a very educated opinion on the laws on this topic in Brussels and the other countries that have this option. I absolutely believe we should destigmatize and decriminalize suicide and that suicide is a good and valid option in many, many cases. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 10, 2022 21:23:54 GMT
And btw it is called death with dignity.
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Post by mrgiedrnkr on Oct 10, 2022 21:24:51 GMT
REALLY?? You think an 18-year-old kid whose girlfriend just broke up with him and believes life is over, should be allowed to make such a decision?? I can't disagree with you more. I can’t imagine that the decision was made as glibly as that. It still requires conditions that are eligible and made with doctors. |
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Post by StephDRebel on Oct 10, 2022 21:26:28 GMT
REALLY?? You think an 18-year-old kid whose girlfriend just broke up with him and believes life is over, should be allowed to make such a decision?? I can't disagree with you more. Who do you believe is stopping an 18 year old who doesn't want to live now? What's stopping them? |
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Post by snowsilver on Oct 10, 2022 21:28:16 GMT
I am educated on the facts. I read the entire story. There remains nothing in this universe that would convince me that a 23 year-old should be euthanized who is not suffering from a painful, fatal disease. There are tens of thousands of people who have suffered traumatic events and gone on to live happy and useful lives. Think Holocaust victims. Or thousands of others. Life is precious. She was far too young to make such a choice.
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 10, 2022 21:30:44 GMT
I am educated on the facts. I read the entire story. There remains nothing in this universe that would convince me that a 23 year-old should be euthanized who is not suffering from a painful, fatal disease. There are tens of thousands of people who have suffered traumatic events and gone on to live happy and useful lives. Think Holocaust victims. Or thousands of others. Life is precious. She was far too young to make such a choice. And that right there shows otherwise. Mental disease IS a painful fatal disease for many as they turn to drugs and alcohol or choose suicide. Just because TENS OF THOUSANDS of others are able to "be happy" doesn't mean ever single person is the same. So many mask. And are NOT happy. |
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Post by myshelly on Oct 10, 2022 21:32:31 GMT
I am educated on the facts. I read the entire story. There remains nothing in this universe that would convince me that a 23 year-old should be euthanized who is not suffering from a painful, fatal disease. There are tens of thousands of people who have suffered traumatic events and gone on to live happy and useful lives. Think Holocaust victims. Or thousands of others. Life is precious. She was far too young to make such a choice. It’s not your choice to make. I think that’s the difference between you and me. You believe that and that’s great for you, but you don’t get to force everyone else to believe it just because you do. We should all get to make that choice for ourselves. It’s not up to you or me or the government to control that choice for everyone. That’s why my original reply was my body, my choice. I believe that for abortion. I believe that for birth, for vaccines, for any medical treatment, for consent, for touching, for sex, and for end of life. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 10, 2022 21:33:27 GMT
Comments like the OP are exactly why so many mask. So many hide what they are fighting. Hide the struggles and pain.
Like who wants to be told to be thankful and happy?
Or told that sooooo many others are "okay"??
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Post by gar on Oct 10, 2022 21:35:42 GMT
I am educated on the facts. I read the entire story. Is that the sum of your education? How old is old enough to decide your own quality of life? And I’m not talking about a romantic heartbreak, but about the trauma this woman had tried to come to terms with. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 10, 2022 21:40:22 GMT
I am educated on the facts. I read the entire story. There remains nothing in this universe that would convince me that a 23 year-old should be euthanized who is not suffering from a painful, fatal disease. There are tens of thousands of people who have suffered traumatic events and gone on to live happy and useful lives. Think Holocaust victims. Or thousands of others. Life is precious. She was far too young to make such a choice. And that right there shows otherwise. Mental disease IS a painful fatal disease for many as they turn to drugs and alcohol or choose suicide. Just because TENS OF THOUSANDS of others are able to "be happy" doesn't mean ever single person is the same. So many mask. And are NOT happy. Ditto. Only when we accept that mental illness is a fact can it be addressed. It can be debilitating, but unseen!! |
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Post by busy on Oct 10, 2022 21:43:36 GMT
Who are you to insist others find their life worth living? It’s not a capricious decision that someone can come to quickly and lightly. ”That said, the regulations around the procedure are extremely strict. Four basic conditions must be met: - the patient must be mentally competent to make the decision; - the patient must request euthanasia on two separate occasions, in writing; - the patient must be suffering from the effects of an incurable disease or mental illness, and all treatment options must have been exhausted; - the patient must be experiencing unbearable suffering from the illness, either physically or psychologically.” www.thebulletin.be/dying-dignity-story-euthanasia-belgiumAnd you can fuck right off for being so dismissive of the pain and severity of mental illness. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 10, 2022 21:46:36 GMT
I was going to write a response. But I just can't. I'm so sorry. I have the right to decide when my life ends, even though it may hurt my loved ones.
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Post by AussieMeg on Oct 10, 2022 21:55:13 GMT
I’m thankful that this woman had the option to leave this life peacefully and gently. I’m sure it would have been incredibly difficult for her loved ones, but at least it spared them the trauma of finding her when she inevitably took her own life some other way.
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Post by wellway on Oct 10, 2022 22:08:10 GMT
Quantity of life does not equate to quality of life.
Mental illness is as debilitating as any physical illness.
May she rest in peace, free of the memories, the nightmares and terror, the despair, the hopelessness and the lack of understanding. Love to her family and those who loved her.
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Post by pinklady on Oct 10, 2022 22:11:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2022 22:16:57 GMT
I've got no problem with it. I wish they'd make it so that no one else had to administer the death, as it were. Give the person the means, if they're physically able, and leave them to it.
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Post by snowsilver on Oct 10, 2022 22:17:28 GMT
I do have an apology to make to myshelly. I read your original post too quickly and didn't pick up the fact that you were referencing people with fatal illnesses. I thought based on my too-quick reading that you were saying any person should have the right to euthanasia if they felt life was unbearable. Forgive me for not picking that up.
That said, I stand by my post. She was too young to make that decision. Look at the high percentages of suicide survivors who state they would NEVER go that route again and are grateful they didn't succeed.
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Post by Lexica on Oct 10, 2022 22:19:37 GMT
I understand she was young, but I would think that she has had several years of therapy after the event in an attempt to regain her life. Therapy that did not work to her satisfaction. Who are we to say she is obligated to live day after day in whatever emotional turmoil she was in? You say that she was too young to make such a decision. What would be an acceptable age in your opinion? I’m not being snarky, I’m seriously wondering at what age you think a person able to make a decision to end their life.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 10, 2022 22:22:33 GMT
I do have an apology to make to myshelly. I read your original post too quickly and didn't pick up the fact that you were referencing people with fatal illnesses. I thought based on my too-quick reading that you were saying any person should have the right to euthanasia if they felt life was unbearable. Forgive me for not picking that up. That said, I stand by my post. She was too young to make that decision. Look at the high percentages of suicide survivors who state they would NEVER go that route again and are grateful they didn't succeed. I do believe any person should have the right to die quickly and painlessly. I believe it’s a valid choice in a variety of cases, including but not limited to, mental illness, trauma, and medical illnesses. However, I think it’s silly for you to quote one specific case in one specific country and then immediately make up a hypothetical situation that doesn’t follow the laws of the country you were criticizing in the OP. Your “I know better” ism is repugnant. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 10, 2022 22:26:39 GMT
Another disgusting post by the control freak who thinks she has absolute right to decide for others what they do with their own lives/bodies. Disgusting and mentally sick.
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