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Post by epeanymous on May 1, 2023 16:54:20 GMT
My mother and extended family are very upset right now. My aunt (my mother's sister) died last summer. Her husband (who is 79 or 80) just remarried this week. No one seems to have anything bad to say about the new wife -- it's not that. Everyone is upset because he is remarried within a year of his wife's death.
I'm not in the business of telling other people how to feel, and won't, obviously. But I seem to recall that (1) it's really common for elderly men to remarry super quickly (even more quickly than this) after their wives die, and (2) usually that means they loved their deceased wife a lot and really want to get back to being married because they want/need married life. That's right, isn't it? I'm trying to help my mother develop a frame for this other than "this means he doesn't respect my sister and never really cared about her."
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Post by mcjunkin on May 1, 2023 16:58:56 GMT
Yep. You are correct.
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Post by lisaknits on May 1, 2023 16:59:57 GMT
Yes, that's what I've heard/understood as well.
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Post by sueg on May 1, 2023 17:03:36 GMT
I have heard the same too, though my dad waited 9 years before remarrying - he was a lot younger though. I also feel that at age 79 or 80, you don’t know how many more years you have, so why not spend those years in the company of someone you love.
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Post by wellway on May 1, 2023 17:06:06 GMT
I put "why do widowers" into Google and before I finished the s, the first option was "remarry so quickly"
There are plenty of articles you might want to link for your Mum. My quick scan of the results seen to suggest men do not have the emotional skills to deal with the grief and need the familiarity of a team.
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Post by roundtwo on May 1, 2023 17:08:08 GMT
I think you are right. A gentleman I know who is a couple of years younger than your uncle(?) started dating a very nice woman, who is about the same age, within 6 months of his wife's passing. At first we were a little taken aback - their marriage always seemed strong and they both seemed like they were very much in love. A couple of his kids confronted him about it all - they were concerned she was a gold-digger, that he had been having an affair when their mom was alive, etc. He told them that it was his life, his money and he certainly did love their mother, and still does, but he shouldn't have to live his golden years alone just to keep them happy.
I know too many people who didn't remarry or get into a relationship after their partner died just to placate the adult kids and I always thought it was very selfish of the kids.
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Post by cadoodlebug on May 1, 2023 17:09:33 GMT
My sister passed away at age 59 after being diagnosed with early-onset Alzheimer's in her mid 50's. My brother-in-law cared for her until 3 weeks before she died. His health was being affected so he finally put her in a memory care place. A few months later he met a woman who had cared for her husband who had Parkinson's. They married 10 months after my sister died. BIL called me before he proposed to let me know. You know what? I cried because I was so happy he had met someone to share the rest of his life with. He always thought it would be my sister. They were married for 34 years. Long story short, I pass no judgement. Life is short, especially when you get older. ETA: I attended their wedding and was so happy to meet his new partner. She reminded me a lot of my sister.
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Post by littlemama on May 1, 2023 17:10:24 GMT
He is 80, how long would they want him to wait? (Of course, they could have just lived together and not married) Outside of that, I can see where they might be concerned about the new wife removing their mother's belongings without notifying them (happened to a friend of mine) or the will changing to the wife rather than the children. The first can be discussed with the couple and the second depends on the people and relationships they have.
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Post by mimima on May 1, 2023 17:11:46 GMT
Yes, that's what I've always heard.
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Post by disneypal on May 1, 2023 17:13:10 GMT
I agree - it isn't that uncommon. Personally, I think they are very lonely and need the companionship and also need/want someone to take care of them (cooking/cleaning).
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Post by bratkar on May 1, 2023 17:38:19 GMT
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Post by TXMary on May 1, 2023 17:46:01 GMT
I know of several men who have remarried within months of their wives dying. In my experience the men who remarried so quickly came from very happy marriages. I wish my mom had remarried but she's been alone now for almost 30 years. My FIL lived for 10 years after MIL died. I wish he would have remarried too because those years were very sad and lonely for him. It didn't have to be that way but it's what he chose.
Life is short and everyone deserves to be happy and have someone to love.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 17:56:55 GMT
Yep, you're correct.
Of the widowed women, I only know of two that remarried after long marriages. One married her dead husband's best friend who was recently widowed as well. The four of them were very good friends, did a lot of stuff together, etc. No one was surprised when they got married. the other I know isn't married but in a relationship. The rest stayed widowed until they passed away.
Of the widowed men, all of them remarried or had a serious girlfriend within a year. My dad remarried within two years. My friend's dad hasn't married his girlfriend yet but I think it's more because of a money thing than commitment. Something about he gets more benefits from his wife's pension if he stays single and she gets her husband's pension if she doesn't remarry, but they've been together for nearly 15 years. The only one I know that stayed single was not in a good marriage.
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Post by bratkar on May 1, 2023 17:57:56 GMT
My sister passed away at age 59 after being diagnosed with early-onset Alzheimer's in her mid 50's. My brother-in-law cared for her until 3 weeks before she died. His health was being affected so he finally put her in a memory care place. A few months later he met a woman who had cared for her husband who had Parkinson's. They married 10 months after my sister died. BIL called me before he proposed to let me know. You know what? I cried because I was so happy he had met someone to share the rest of his life with. He always thought it would be my sister. They were married for 34 years. Long story short, I pass no judgement. Life is short, especially when you get older. ETA: I attended their wedding and was so happy to meet his new partner. She reminded me a lot of my sister. I just wanted to say that I have a friend that her husband passed away last July from a very lengthy illness and she is dating and in a pretty committed relationship and other friends and family are having a tough time with it. What they don't realize is that she mourned his death long before his actual death. it was years in the coming and like you I pass no judgement, but I also see where they are coming from moving on, she has gone through the stages of grief for a lot longer than just the last 9 months.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 1, 2023 17:58:23 GMT
You are correct!
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Post by cadoodlebug on May 1, 2023 18:01:14 GMT
What they don't realize is that she mourned his death long before his actual death. This, absolutely this!
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Post by Basket1lady on May 1, 2023 18:08:28 GMT
Yes, I’ve heard that as well.
I’ve also heard that if the deceased spouse was ill, it can affect the grieving period. That the surviving spouse does a lot of their grieving while their spouse is still alive but declining.
No one deserves to be alone.
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Post by supersoda on May 1, 2023 18:12:12 GMT
My FIL remarried 3 months after my MIL died after a lengthy illness. They were both in their 50s.
It was devastating for their adult kids and created a rift that is finally healing about 10 years later. But no one ever thought that he was unfaithful to their mom or didn’t care about her.
Time and age has given me a little more perspective. I understand better now that we was a caregiver more than a spouse for the last 3-4 years of her life so I can see how it felt like it had been a lot longer since he lost his wife. The last year was brutal.
They also married very young and he had never lived alone. And they were strict Catholics so I think he felt even more guilt for having a relationship outside of a marriage.
He still talks about MIL all the time. About what a good mom she was and how pretty she was. There’s no question that he adored her. I just wish he’d been a tad more sensitive to the impact it would have on his kids—but he’s always been a little emotionally tone deaf.
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Post by pilcas on May 1, 2023 18:18:01 GMT
I think when you have been married 40-50 yrs it must be daunting to be on your own again, specially men of that generation who were used to a wife taking care of them. It really doesn’t mean that they loved their wife less or even that they are in love with the new wife on the same way, but there is a strong need for companionship.
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Post by lucyg on May 1, 2023 18:27:03 GMT
I think it happens a lot. Many men can’t cope with being on their own. My friend’s dad married a longtime divorced family friend five months after her mother died. The family used to joke when the mom was still alive that if anything happened to her, this friend would swoop in and marry the dad. She did, but he was the one who really needed someone in his life. P.S. she was a successful businesswoman and had more money than he did.
I don’t have a problem with it unless he (or occasionally she) is making a really foolish choice. But they’re adults all the same, and they get to make their own foolish choices.
I do think it’s smart for everyone to wait at least a year after being widowed to make any major life changes. They often are regretted sooner rather than later.
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Post by 950nancy on May 1, 2023 18:41:58 GMT
My dad remarried in about 18 months. He needed someone to take care of him and someone he could take care of. I don't think it is unusual. Just make sure you update the will to what you want.
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Post by gar on May 1, 2023 18:54:25 GMT
Many older men just don’t do well alone sadly and will therefore remarry ‘soon’ after losing their wife. It’s hard not to jump to the conclusion that it reflects on their deceased partner but it doesn’t.
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Post by chlerbie on May 1, 2023 18:56:29 GMT
My aunt and uncle had a fabulous marriage and were amazingly close and married for over forty years. When my uncle died, I was super surprised that my aunt got remarried within a year. I really feel like she needed to still be a "wife."
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Post by lisae on May 1, 2023 18:57:49 GMT
Widowers often either remarry quickly or don't live long on their own. I'm not sure why they often remarry quickly but it just happens. Maybe they are lonely or looking for a caregiver. I have a relative who adored his wife, who died in her early 40's. The hospital staff commented that they had never seen a husband so devoted. He met someone soon after she died and they are still married over 20 years later. I'm sure you are right and your uncle loved his wife very much. This isn't meant to show her any disrespect.
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Post by Lurkingpea on May 1, 2023 19:23:48 GMT
I don't think it is necessarily just older men who are widowed that remarry quickly. I think men in general remarry quickly. I would never judge anyone getting married quickly. Either sex. I have heard the joke about asking your husband not to bring a date to your funeral though. I agree it is generally men that were happily married and I think that is a wonderful thing. I imagine if their wives were able to speak about it they would want their husband to be happy again.
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Post by wellway on May 1, 2023 19:34:15 GMT
Just another thought, clearly getting married again holds no worries for him, meaning his previous marriage was a good one and he is happy to take the plunge again. Marriage has good connotations for him.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 1, 2023 20:17:32 GMT
I know someone whose husband died suddenly when they were in their 30’s. She remarried within less than a year and I thought it was too quick. But I don’t have the same thoughts in regards to someone who is 79/80. Maybe because it seems like when you are younger you should take more time to get to know someone who you will hopefully be married to for decades, and needs to align well with your young kids. Whereas someone older doesn’t know what life will bring in the next few years and doesn’t have as much to navigate financially or with family.
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 1, 2023 20:22:35 GMT
My dad has a lovely girlfriend who knew my parents before they were set up on a date. He waited a year after my mother died and he asked me what I thought and said sure. So far they are still together going on 5 years!
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Post by peabay on May 1, 2023 20:28:18 GMT
Please tell your mom that you understand her desire to "protect" her sister's memory, but she is not walking in her brother-in-law's shoes. The guy is 80! How many more years does he have of happiness? Dude just wants some companionship - how long can you expect someone his age to mourn? She should be grateful that the man is happy and not moping around. miserable for the 5 years (give or take) he has left.
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Post by quiltz on May 1, 2023 20:45:36 GMT
the will changing to the wife rather than the children. Children and/or other people are not "Owed ANYTHING" in a will. It is up to the person who is doing their own will to make decisions about their assets. Getting anything in a will is a bonus and not an obligation of the person who has made up their will.
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