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Post by finsup on Aug 20, 2023 14:17:17 GMT
And I find that a bit insulting. My trans kid is just real life, not an opportunity for me to win the woke Olympics. I have re-read your comment a few times and I find I must ask you to clarify. I honestly can't tell if you find what *I* said insulting or if you are referring to the roll call we're doing here of who knows a trans person. If it's directed at me, I apologize if it didn't come across well. I was speaking expressly against the "woke Olympics" as you call it. The trans people I know are real life as well. Just people. Some family and friends. And some who I 'know' through others. I found what you and lisacharlotte said a little insulting, but I’m not mad or anything. 😊 And I do see your point for sure.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Aug 20, 2023 15:27:15 GMT
Thank you for clarifying, finsup. I think I understand where you are coming from and thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Aug 20, 2023 16:44:11 GMT
Yes. Both my young adult kids. I have a co worker who is trans.
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ellen
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Post by ellen on Aug 20, 2023 16:47:01 GMT
I have a couple of former students who are transgender. A friend from high school has a transgender son too.
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Post by PaperAngel on Aug 20, 2023 18:38:40 GMT
No one in my (or our college-aged son's) inner circle has transitioned. However, a clerk at a local ice cream shop was female while working there during high school & male upon return as a college graduate this summer. There are probably other retail employees & spouses/children of acquaintainces who are transgender, but I met them with their current gender identity & therefore would have no reason to know (or care/inquire about) their sex at birth.
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Post by beaglemom on Aug 20, 2023 21:25:04 GMT
A number...
One of my best friend's dds, she knew when she was 3.
2 years ago the parents of one of the preschoolers I taught came to us after Christmas break and let us know that their son would now be going by their full name, rather than the female nickname they had been going under. The transformation of the child was incredible, when they were at school as their gender assigned at birth they were withdrawn, once they were recognized as male they were so much happier, engaged, and just glowing.
The rabbi that married dh and I and both of his sisters was in the process of transitioning when he married us but didn't really tell us. Or I guess he did, but did it in a way that we didn't realize that was what he was saying. We saw him a couple of years later and he looked and sounded just like Robin Williams! We were so happy for him. This was one that always left me scratching my head slightly. He transitioned before gay marriage was legal in CA. Since he had transitioned he was able to marry his long-time partner because he was recognized as male, instead of female. We were thrilled they could get married but I always thought it was strange that the gender change was recognized and he could marry before gay marriage was legal.
My dd has a friend in her class that came out as non-binary in 4th grade. I have known them since kindergarten and wasn't surprised at all.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Aug 21, 2023 1:31:23 GMT
My comment about box checking is because of exactly what happened in this thread. People say yes or no, but it morphs into numbers that somehow mean you are more or less an ally depending on your answer. Then we get the untrustworthy comment. I'm not surprised, it's the peas.
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Post by schizo319 on Aug 21, 2023 12:00:12 GMT
Not that I am aware of, but I don't typically ask friends and acquaintances about their genitalia or gender identities.
In addition to a small social circle, no children and remote work, I also live in the evangelical South - it's a fairly hostile environment to anyone who isn't a cisgender WASP.
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Post by RosieKat on Aug 21, 2023 13:09:28 GMT
I don't think I know anyone well IRL who is, but there are lots of people I've met or talked with on a personal level who are. A fair number of my kids' friends are, and I have a weird way of getting adopted by my kids' friends even if I haven't met them personally or I just have in passing or at games or something. I have an online friend who is, and plenty of casual interactions in my life with people who are. And a friend's kid that I know pretty well is just beginning hormone treatment - but in a way that doesn't count because said kid hasn't made it known publicly, I just know because of the friend.
So I'm a totally safe person and happy to be there for whoever, and I think that's well known. It just hasn't really been anyone in my immediate personal circle.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Aug 21, 2023 14:26:27 GMT
For real. This reminds of that time in the south when enlightened white people all clamored to say, "One of my good friends is black." It feels a bit icky. I mean ... maybe? But no one was ever denying that black people existed. Part of the struggle right now is that certain folks are committed to the narrative that trans people are just "sick" or "confused" or that they pose some threat to kids. I think that viewpoint is more common among people who don't know any trans people and can't imagine what that would be like. So it's important for the rest of us to acknowledge that trans people are just people. They do exist, they live among us and - here's the important point - *always* have. They're not just some recent creation of the woke left. And they're no threat to your kids. While I agree with SMSP that this roll call feels icky- I have to say I really appreciate you sharing this in this way Merge. It’s a common sense way talk about this with people that are convinced trans people are just groomed kids, attention seekers, dudes that want to dominate women’s sports and have access to super sexy women’s restrooms. I usually don’t bother with most people because it’s a dog whistle, but some people are reasonable and just not exposed, or don’t know they are acquainted with someone trans/or any other form of (eyeroll) “attention seeking behavior.”
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Post by rickmer on Aug 21, 2023 16:16:11 GMT
yes, my two kids went to a regular high school so there were a couple of their friends that are trans or non-binary. my middle son went to an arts school - so pretty much every page of the yearbook "remember tanya from grade 6? they are ty now". my son works at a camp that has two trans counsellors - they want to ensure there is representation.
when i was a recruiter starting my career in the 90s, there was a transgender woman that was pre- surgery and had to work/live/present as a woman for a timeframe before being approved for surgery. that was tough - i only had a couple of places that i could send her. i am so glad it would be so much less of an issue now.
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Post by Merge on Aug 21, 2023 20:07:47 GMT
I mean ... maybe? But no one was ever denying that black people existed. Part of the struggle right now is that certain folks are committed to the narrative that trans people are just "sick" or "confused" or that they pose some threat to kids. I think that viewpoint is more common among people who don't know any trans people and can't imagine what that would be like. So it's important for the rest of us to acknowledge that trans people are just people. They do exist, they live among us and - here's the important point - *always* have. They're not just some recent creation of the woke left. And they're no threat to your kids. While I agree with SMSP that this roll call feels icky- I have to say I really appreciate you sharing this in this way Merge. It’s a common sense way talk about this with people that are convinced trans people are just groomed kids, attention seekers, dudes that want to dominate women’s sports and have access to super sexy women’s restrooms. I usually don’t bother with most people because it’s a dog whistle, but some people are reasonable and just not exposed, or don’t know they are acquainted with someone trans/or any other form of (eyeroll) “attention seeking behavior.” And hopefully people will also stop blaming teachers for kids being trans (or gay). Teaching awareness and tolerance are not “grooming” behaviors.
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