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Post by elaine on Oct 8, 2023 20:58:16 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 8, 2023 21:00:23 GMT
mollycoddle (Bold in quote is mine!) Earlier today I did hear someone talk about a person on the right did talk about leveling Gaza, even if they had to sacrifice the hostages. I was horrified. And unfortunately there are people here, in our country who might well agree.*** CNN about 4:51pm ET. Sen Tim Scott... talking about the 6 billion again. Put our resources to work to bring Americans home. Scott says with the resources we have sent to Israel, Israel has the resources to wipe HAMAS off the map.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 8, 2023 21:05:11 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 8, 2023 21:10:22 GMT
mollycoddleEarlier today I did hear someone talk about a person on the right did talk about leveling Gaza, even if they had to sacrifice the hostages. I was horrified. And unfortunately there are people here, in our country who might well agree. *** CNN about 4:51pm ET. Sen Ron Scott... talking about the 6 billion again. Put our resources to work to bring Americans home. Scott says with the resources we have sent to Israel, Israel has the resources to wipe HAMAS off the map. Hamas is bad news. I have read that we will need a Speaker before any help can be sent, but that was one report, and I do not know if it is accurate.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 8, 2023 21:13:01 GMT
elaine or anyone else who might know - where can we best direct donation money to help those who have been affected? Is there anything else we can do that would be helpful? ❤️❤️❤️ I will ask for this information from my sister. Thank you. For now, probably giving to Magen David Adom - which is the Red Cross in Israel (changing “cross” to “star of David”) - is probably a good way to help all the injured: www.mdais.org/en/donation——————-—————————————————————— What Hamas did to TEENAGERS and young adults attending an all-night music festival at 7:00 am Israel-time is horrific. There is absolutely NO DEFENSE for this type of terrorism. None. It could be any of our children there. They gunned some down in cold blood and took others hostage. www.cnn.com/2023/10/07/middleeast/israel-gaza-fighting-hamas-attack-music-festival-intl-hnk/index.htmlThank you for that link, Elaine. I am still trying to process this latest news. Horrific indeed. And those videos that they took. Barbaric.
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Post by snowsilver on Oct 8, 2023 21:15:38 GMT
mollycoddle (Bold in quote is mine!) Earlier today I did hear someone talk about a person on the right did talk about leveling Gaza, even if they had to sacrifice the hostages. I was horrified. And unfortunately there are people here, in our country who might well agree. *** CNN about 4:51pm ET. Sen Tim Scott... talking about the 6 billion again. Put our resources to work to bring Americans home. Scott says with the resources we have sent to Israel, Israel has the resources to wipe HAMAS off the map. You must realize that "wiping HAMAS off the map" would involve killing thousands of women and children. Are we up for that??
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 8, 2023 21:20:38 GMT
mollycoddle (Bold in quote is mine!) Earlier today I did hear someone talk about a person on the right did talk about leveling Gaza, even if they had to sacrifice the hostages. I was horrified. And unfortunately there are people here, in our country who might well agree.*** CNN about 4:51pm ET. Sen Tim Scott... talking about the 6 billion again. Put our resources to work to bring Americans home. Scott says with the resources we have sent to Israel, Israel has the resources to wipe HAMAS off the map. You must realize that "wiping HAMAS off the map" would involve killing thousands of women and children. Are we up for that?? I guess I should have bolded that I was horrified at the suggestion. I will do it now and change the color, thanks.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 8, 2023 22:29:59 GMT
mollycoddle (Bold in quote is mine!) Earlier today I did hear someone talk about a person on the right did talk about leveling Gaza, even if they had to sacrifice the hostages. I was horrified. And unfortunately there are people here, in our country who might well agree. *** CNN about 4:51pm ET. Sen Tim Scott... talking about the 6 billion again. Put our resources to work to bring Americans home. Scott says with the resources we have sent to Israel, Israel has the resources to wipe HAMAS off the map. You must realize that "wiping HAMAS off the map" would involve killing thousands of women and children. Are we up for that?? And is Bibi really willing to risk that? Hamas has hostages. That’s their leverage. If Israeli soldiers enter Gaza (which Israel already withdrew from in ’05), those hostages will be killed.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 8, 2023 22:31:24 GMT
And these are the type of fools we deal with. Franklin Graham blames Israel, Biden, us Only god can fix it... During an interview on Newsmax, host Greta Van Susteren asked Graham to respond to terrorist attacks in Israel that left hundreds dead. "First, the Bible instructs us in Psalms 122 to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. And I certainly am praying for the people, the Israelis," Graham said. "I'm not praying for their enemies. I pray that God will give them victory over their enemies." He warned that the same type of attack could happen in the United States. "And so in this country, we have a right to protect ourselves [because of the Second Amendment]," Graham observed. "So you have a right to have a gun and protect yourself. In Israel, it's difficult to get a gun permit." "But as far as having an assault rifle in your home or a shotgun or a hunting rifle, these things are very difficult," he continued. "And you would think that Israel would require anyone living close to the border of Gaza to have weapons in their home and maybe even be forced to carry those weapons. And I just, for the life of me, I can't understand what happened." The reverend said he also wanted to "put blame on the Biden administration and the Democratic Party" because of the withdrawal from Afghanistan. *** "Only God can fix this and straighten it out," he insisted. "Our politicians are off-the-charts crazy, and I don't understand it. But what you're seeing in Israel could happen here one day, I'm afraid." www.rawstory.com/franklin-graham-israel/
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Post by snowsilver on Oct 8, 2023 23:39:28 GMT
You must realize that "wiping HAMAS off the map" would involve killing thousands of women and children. Are we up for that?? And is Bibi really willing to risk that? Hamas has hostages. That’s their leverage. If Israeli soldiers enter Gaza (which Israel already withdrew from in ’05), those hostages will be killed. It's something I'm pondering, Liza. War is not a gentleman's game. I could not do it. YOU probably could not do it. We could not sleep with the blood of all those people on our souls. But Bibi has the fate of his entire nation on his hands. Hard decisions have to be made. The "greater good" comes into play. Which is why I could NEVER be president of this country or any other. I could not make those hard decisions.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 9, 2023 0:05:41 GMT
Scott says with the resources we have sent to Israel, Israel has the resources to wipe HAMAS off the map.snowsilverAnd yes I know what they are saying and the consequences. No, I am not ready for that. The reason I posted before was because I did not know who made the comment first, but I did see and hear Sen Tim Scott say it. People need to know what is being said or suggested. Again horrific!
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 9, 2023 0:54:26 GMT
And is Bibi really willing to risk that? Hamas has hostages. That’s their leverage. If Israeli soldiers enter Gaza (which Israel already withdrew from in ’05), those hostages will be killed. It's something I'm pondering, Liza. War is not a gentleman's game. I could not do it. YOU probably could not do it. We could not sleep with the blood of all those people on our souls. But Bibi has the fate of his entire nation on his hands. Hard decisions have to be made. The "greater good" comes into play. Which is why I could NEVER be president of this country or any other. I could not make those hard decisions. You’re absolutely right. I could not do it. What’s common in conflicts/wars like this (as in Ukraine) is there may be options—but there are no good options. One just hopes the least bad of them would be chosen.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 9, 2023 1:11:10 GMT
As a very lefty Jew, I am really hating all of this. Having a far-right government in charge of Israel and keeping Gaza in a box is unacceptable. Kidnapping and killing Jewish kids is unacceptable. We're likely to end up with a war now in which a ton of civilians get killed. I am so upset and have nothing helpful to say.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 9, 2023 2:50:02 GMT
Unfortunately there has been too much loss of life already. At least 260 at the peace concert, not counting those who were abducted and may never be found. Total Israeli count is over 600..As many or more Palestinians killed also. thousands injured on both sides .
NOT confirmed vvvv MSNBC: just had a blurb that there is talk that Iran was involved and may have planned it. If so there would be no doubt that Israel who go after Iran .
ETA: Wall Street Journal first reported it.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 9, 2023 3:48:50 GMT
This does not cover the whole interview with Sen Tim Scott..At the begining he says about Israel could wipe out HAMAS Republican Sen. Tim Scott (SC) told CNN's Abby Phillip that he wants a targeted strike on Gaza in an attempt to retrieve any Americans who may have been taken hostage by the group Hamas. *** “I certainly think we should be prepared to send resources to Israel without any question," said Scott speaking to Phillip on Sunday. It's something that is already unfolding but Scott appeared unaware of it. "We want targeted attacks in order to get Americans back," Scott continued. "And frankly, I think you'll see Prime Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu go even further and make sure Hamas cannot have another day like yesterday morning." He continued with Republican buzzwords like "strength" and "Ronald Reagan." www.rawstory.com/tim-scott-war-hamas/
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Post by Tearisci on Oct 9, 2023 18:18:07 GMT
I have to admit that this situation really has me freaked out a bit. I worry about possible terrorist ramifications here for our Jewish communities and our nation at large.
I didn't feel this way so much with Ukraine but I'm feeling very apprehensive about this situation.
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Post by mom on Oct 9, 2023 18:56:17 GMT
I have to admit that this situation really has me freaked out a bit. I worry about possible terrorist ramifications here for our Jewish communities and our nation at large. I didn't feel this way so much with Ukraine but I'm feeling very apprehensive about this situation. You are not alone.
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 9, 2023 19:37:35 GMT
I have to admit that this situation really has me freaked out a bit. I worry about possible terrorist ramifications here for our Jewish communities and our nation at large. I didn't feel this way so much with Ukraine but I'm feeling very apprehensive about this situation. Los Angeles and Bevery Hills ramped up patrols and security due to the war. Unfortunately there have been attacks on the synagogues before and the communities. I haven't heard if there are any tensions between the Jewish community and Iranian community. Eta: I will never forget going to The Grove 10 years ago and seeing armed men at the doors of the synagogues. It made me so very mad that they have to protect themselves like that to worship when Christian churches don't.
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Post by MichyM on Oct 9, 2023 20:11:16 GMT
As a very lefty Jew, I am really hating all of this. Having a far-right government in charge of Israel and keeping Gaza in a box is unacceptable. Kidnapping and killing Jewish kids is unacceptable. We're likely to end up with a war now in which a ton of civilians get killed. I am so upset and have nothing helpful to say. Yup, this is pretty much me word for word.
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Post by busy on Oct 9, 2023 20:23:04 GMT
As a very lefty Jew, I am really hating all of this. Having a far-right government in charge of Israel and keeping Gaza in a box is unacceptable. Kidnapping and killing Jewish kids is unacceptable. We're likely to end up with a war now in which a ton of civilians get killed. I am so upset and have nothing helpful to say. Yup, this is pretty much me word for word. I’m not a Jew but very lefty and feeling the same. A good friend of mine is from Israel and had multiple friends slaughtered and many friends and family drafted. It’s just a devastating situation.
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Post by jill8909 on Oct 9, 2023 20:47:04 GMT
Horrific.
I cannot imagine living through this nightmare, Some of the stories remind me of what is happening in parts of Ukraine. It's beyond understanding.
I am concerned that this will escalate and spread. I hope that they are able to reach some type of deal to get the hostages out now but it doesn't look like that is going to happen.
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Post by peasquared on Oct 9, 2023 22:32:07 GMT
elaine, I am praying for your nephew and your other family members. May they all be and remain safe. Also prayers being said for others you have friends and family in the area. This is horrific.
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Post by cakediva on Oct 9, 2023 23:14:51 GMT
My heart goes out to all our Jewish peas and their families - hugs to you all. I’m honestly not sure if I have any IRL Jewish friends - just the peas I “know” here. But I’m horrified for you all and I’ve heard the communities in neighbouring cities are being extra cautious. Hate like that spills over to the communities across the world and I’m so sad for you all. It makes no sense to me to have such hate in your heart for people who are not like you.
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 9, 2023 23:21:03 GMT
The news just seems to get worse and worse. I feel angry, scared and worried what will come next. So many lives have been destroyed. Only monsters would do the horrible things that we are hearing happened to the victims. A part of me says yes Israel should crush them. But another part of me understands that this will mean many more innocent lives will be lost in the process.
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 9, 2023 23:40:16 GMT
Anyone else having a hard time because you too are both siding this event? Israel has every right to retaliation but I hate that the government has taken away water, food, electricity. And if they were to take our Gaza, all these innocent lives will be lost. And the Palestinians are at threat but then so are Israelis. It's like that whole area, those people, those communities are f-cked either way you look. It just makes me sad. And very mad.
Yes Hamas needs to be taken out as well as that terrorist group but I hate to think how many more lives will be lost.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 10, 2023 0:08:31 GMT
Anyone else having a hard time because you too are both siding this event? Israel has every right to retaliation but I hate that the government has taken away water, food, electricity. And if they were to take our Gaza, all these innocent lives will be lost. And the Palestinians are at threat but then so are Israelis. It's like that whole area, those people, those communities are f-cked either way you look. It just makes me sad. And very mad. Yes Hamas needs to be taken out as well as that terrorist group but I hate to think how many more lives will be lost. I don't think it's both-sidesing. It is a genuinely complicated and shitty situation with a lot of bad actors and a lot of innocent people losing their lives.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 10, 2023 0:08:39 GMT
Anyone else having a hard time because you too are both siding this event? Israel has every right to retaliation but I hate that the government has taken away water, food, electricity. And if they were to take our Gaza, all these innocent lives will be lost. And the Palestinians are at threat but then so are Israelis. It's like that whole area, those people, those communities are f-cked either way you look. It just makes me sad. And very mad. Yes Hamas needs to be taken out as well as that terrorist group but I hate to think how many more lives will be lost. I feel this way as well. The history is very complicated and can't be ignored, even though obviously this week Hamas was the aggressor. I don't understand why it has been that *we* need to support everything Israel does or else be considered to be anti-Semitic. IMO, Israel has not always been innocent and has not treated Palestinians well, which is likely what has been a big part of what is happening now. However, Hamas also has an anti-Jewish section of their manifesto so to speak, so it doesn't seem like their hatred is only aimed at Israeli's (which is what makes me also fear for actions around the world). I feel horribly for the innocent people on both sides and wish there could be a good solution that would make both sides happy. At this point I am not sure what exactly the goal of Hamas is.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 10, 2023 0:20:03 GMT
Anyone else having a hard time because you too are both siding this event? Israel has every right to retaliation but I hate that the government has taken away water, food, electricity. And if they were to take our Gaza, all these innocent lives will be lost. And the Palestinians are at threat but then so are Israelis. It's like that whole area, those people, those communities are f-cked either way you look. It just makes me sad. And very mad. Yes Hamas needs to be taken out as well as that terrorist group but I hate to think how many more lives will be lost. I feel this way as well. The history is very complicated and can't be ignored, even though obviously this week Hamas was the aggressor. I don't understand why it has been that *we* need to support everything Israel does or else be considered to be anti-Semitic. IMO, Israel has not always been innocent and has not treated Palestinians well, which is likely what has been a big part of what is happening now. However, Hamas also has an anti-Jewish section of their manifesto so to speak, so it doesn't seem like their hatred is only aimed at Israeli's (which is what makes me also fear for actions around the world). I feel horribly for the innocent people on both sides and wish there could be a good solution that would make both sides happy. At this point I am not sure what exactly the goal of Hamas is. The same as it’s always been. Destroy the State of Israel and murder all the Jews.
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 10, 2023 0:42:42 GMT
I have to admit that this situation really has me freaked out a bit. I worry about possible terrorist ramifications here for our Jewish communities and our nation at large. I didn't feel this way so much with Ukraine but I'm feeling very apprehensive about this situation.
The US is a signatory to Genocide Convention, under which it is obligated to prevent and punish genocide. Moreover genocide incitement, also by denial is a punishable crime in US. Not to mention the Budapest Memorandum which specifically says we the United States will give security guarantees to Ukraine in case of this very situation.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 10, 2023 0:42:53 GMT
From The White House…
Joint Statement on Israel HOME BRIEFING ROOM STATEMENTS AND RELEASES
“Today, the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States of America released the following joint statement following their call:
Today, we — President Macron of France, Chancellor Scholz of Germany, Prime Minister Meloni of Italy, Prime Minister Sunak of the United Kingdom, and President Biden of the United States — express our steadfast and united support to the State of Israel, and our unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and its appalling acts of terrorism. We make clear that the terrorist actions of Hamas have no justification, no legitimacy, and must be universally condemned. There is never any justification for terrorism. In recent days, the world has watched in horror as Hamas terrorists massacred families in their homes, slaughtered over 200 young people enjoying a music festival, and kidnapped elderly women, children, and entire families, who are now being held as hostages. Our countries will support Israel in its efforts to defend itself and its people against such atrocities. We further emphasize that this is not a moment for any party hostile to Israel to exploit these attacks to seek advantage. All of us recognize the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people, and support equal measures of justice and freedom for Israelis and Palestinians alike. But make no mistake: Hamas does not represent those aspirations, and it offers nothing for the Palestinian people other than more terror and bloodshed. Over the coming days, we will remain united and coordinated, together as allies, and as common friends of Israel, to ensure Israel is able to defend itself, and to ultimately set the conditions for a peaceful and integrated Middle East region.”
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