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Post by Anna*Banana on Jan 22, 2015 19:00:56 GMT
Judging him on the hard job he did, would be like judging those who stepped up and did job others didn't want to do in other very very difficult situations. The only thing that we really learn about Chris Kyle is that he is fiercely competitive; even within himself. To the point it hurt him and he struggled because of it. I think the movie was amazing. I think it tells you only a part of the story of his life. I think it's only a piece of who he was. It leaves a lot on the floor as it is meant to be just a piece, not a complete story.
I am not surprised by the usual people who enjoy bashing those who do jobs they're unwilling to do but enjoy the benefits of having them done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 19:10:21 GMT
He may have been an asshole, possibly because of the horrors that he went through, but what he did kept his fellow soldiers alive and that makes him a hero. That's it. For you to paint him as some nutbag who enjoyed killing like he was standing outside the grocery store shooting random people for fun is disgusting. No, according to the book that he wrote, he was pretty much an asshole before he went into the military. I mean, like crazy-level psycho. He had pins in his wrist because of a rodeo injury and one night when he went on a date, one of the pins kept hitting the turn signal and it was agitating him so he broke the pin off at the base of his skin. HE BROKE IT OFF. Yeah, that's a totally rational way to solve that problem. What he did kept his fellow soldiers alive and that makes him a hero. That's it. For him to be painted as some nutbag who enjoyed killing, like he was standing outside the grocery store shooting random people for fun is disgusting.
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Post by scrappinmom3 on Jan 23, 2015 3:43:47 GMT
My dd and I saw it today. We really enjoyed it. You could hear a pin drop in the theatre when the movie ended.
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Post by sillyrabbit on Jan 23, 2015 4:28:12 GMT
He may have been an asshole, possibly because of the horrors that he went through, but what he did kept his fellow soldiers alive and that makes him a hero. That's it. For you to paint him as some nutbag who enjoyed killing like he was standing outside the grocery store shooting random people for fun is disgusting. No, according to the book that he wrote, he was pretty much an asshole before he went into the military. I mean, like crazy-level psycho. He had pins in his wrist because of a rodeo injury and one night when he went on a date, one of the pins kept hitting the turn signal and it was agitating him so he broke the pin off at the base of his skin. HE BROKE IT OFF. Yeah, that's a totally rational way to solve that problem. I haven't read the book or seen the movie so I'm not commenting on anything pertaining to that at all. But the quote about breaking off the pin at the base of his skin made me think of so many of the men I know. It may seem like insanity to you, but I swear I know people who would do the exact same thing. I live in a rural area with farmers, coal miners, loggers, and other tough guy types. I can see some of them doing that. And seeing it wouldn't even make me blink. My DH's granddad would use a drill press to puncture a hole through his fingernail if he ever smashed a finger...it relieved the pressure and then his finger would feel better. Then he'd keep on working. My DH shot a nail thru his hand two separate times. The first time he went to the Quick Care. The second time he pulled it out himself. Some people are just hard core.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 23, 2015 5:05:44 GMT
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jan 23, 2015 5:36:23 GMT
You just don't give up do you.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 23, 2015 5:47:40 GMT
We're having a conversation on a message board. If everybody "gives up" the board dies.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Jan 23, 2015 6:12:51 GMT
My dd and I saw it Tuesday night. Theater was completely packed at 6:30 pm
We thought Bradley Cooper and Clint did a great job. It was very intense, and as bloody and violent as you would expect in a movie about war.
We also experienced the "so silent you could hear a pin drop" through all the credits and the walk out of the theater.
It really made me think about what other military families (other than my own) go through when their loved ones come home from war. My dh was Navy for 20 years, so he was never "front line" and we still struggled when he came home from deployment. I can only imagine how much harder it would have been had he been face to face with the enemy and trying to keep his buddies safe. Let alone being special forces./sniper where your job is to try to assess if "that lady" or "that child" is a threat to your fellow troops and whether you need to kill them. The stress of those decisions would be harrowing to me.
I can only imagine how that would affect one's life once they were back in real life. I don't care if it was 1 kill or 160. I think it would wreck you.
I won't judge Chris Kyle. I didn't know the man. I know his wife and children loved him and I know he did his job very well. Beyond that, I will Thank him and his family for his service to our country, I appreciate it very much.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Jan 24, 2015 3:54:05 GMT
Saw it today, amazing movie, story, character and direction!!!
Chris Kyle did what he was trained to do, he saved 100's of lives in his 4 tours of duty. I can't even the imagine the toll it took on his life, his emotions and well being or the toll it took on his wife and kids.
I hate how some in the media, on social media and on message boards have vilified him.
The theatre where I saw the movie was like many mentioned on this board dead silent and many audience members were teary eyed/crying like myself.
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Post by ingrid on Jan 24, 2015 7:05:15 GMT
Talking about people having "blind support" for the military and then agreeing enthusiastically with some article alleging that this film is recruitment propaganda even though you haven't actually seen it? You're basing your opinion of the movie on, what? What you've read about it in articles that support your confirmation bias? You have an issue with people forming an opinion but failing to investigate the truth about Kyle. Do you realize how hypocritical that sounds coming from someone who has declared this film to be nothing more than propaganda without maybe, I don't know, watching it and then forming your own opinion before nodding your head at Seth Rogan's twitter feed? I'm not exactly ready to canonize Chris Kyle. I do think this movie plays an important role in helping people understand what our soldiers (and those who love them) are going through while they're deployed and when they come home. If you want to argue that Kyle is being glorified in order to convince people it's so cool and bad-ass to gun down those "savages" overseas, my response would be that anyone who walks out of the theater taking only that perception with them already had a warped world-view before they even bought their tickets. If this film was supposed to be "recruitment propaganda" it should have been an hour of Chris Kyle being awesome in combat and then coming home to a great life, unscathed. I know you haven't seen the movie but, spoiler alert, that isn't at all what's depicted in "American Sniper." Even Jane flipping Fonda applauded the film due to the fact that it sheds light on a crisis that desperately needs more attention. I realize I'm not going to change your mind about this movie but it frustrates me that you and other like-minded people are tearing it down while completely missing the point. This has been all over the internet and you've probably read it by now in some article titled, "Propaganda Puppet-Master Bradley Cooper is Lying to You!" but.. "If it’s not this movie, I hope to god another movie will come out where it will shed light on the fact of what servicemen and women have to go through, and that we need to pay attention to our vets. It doesn’t go any farther than that. It’s not a political discussion about war, even…It’s a discussion about the reality. And the reality is that people are coming home, and we have to take care of them."
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Post by myshelly on Jan 24, 2015 11:29:13 GMT
Talking about people having "blind support" for the military and then agreeing enthusiastically with some article alleging that this film is recruitment propaganda even though you haven't actually seen it? You're basing your opinion of the movie on, what? What you've read about it in articles that support your confirmation bias? You have an issue with people forming an opinion but failing to investigate the truth about Kyle. Do you realize how hypocritical that sounds coming from someone who has declared this film to be nothing more than propaganda without maybe, I don't know, watching it and then forming your own opinion before nodding your head at Seth Rogan's twitter feed? I'm not exactly ready to canonize Chris Kyle. I do think this movie plays an important role in helping people understand what our soldiers (and those who love them) are going through while they're deployed and when they come home. If you want to argue that Kyle is being glorified in order to convince people it's so cool and bad-ass to gun down those "savages" overseas, my response would be that anyone who walks out of the theater taking only that perception with them already had a warped world-view before they even bought their tickets. If this film was supposed to be "recruitment propaganda" it should have been an hour of Chris Kyle being awesome in combat and then coming home to a great life, unscathed. I know you haven't seen the movie but, spoiler alert, that isn't at all what's depicted in "American Sniper." Even Jane flipping Fonda applauded the film due to the fact that it sheds light on a crisis that desperately needs more attention. I realize I'm not going to change your mind about this movie but it frustrates me that you and other like-minded people are tearing it down while completely missing the point. This has been all over the internet and you've probably read it by now in some article titled, "Propaganda Puppet-Master Bradley Cooper is Lying to You!" but.. "If it’s not this movie, I hope to god another movie will come out where it will shed light on the fact of what servicemen and women have to go through, and that we need to pay attention to our vets. It doesn’t go any farther than that. It’s not a political discussion about war, even…It’s a discussion about the reality. And the reality is that people are coming home, and we have to take care of them."Where on this thread did I say I haven't seen the movie?
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Post by missmiss on Jan 24, 2015 13:17:15 GMT
Links showing people's true colors on American Sniper. Very sad people out there: American sniper makes me wanna go shoot some f------ Arabs
Another: Sand N&#$$#rs
From a tweet: Nothing better than a TRUE STORY movie about a bunch of bad ass US Troops killing a bunch of towel wearing goat f**kers. (HAHA True Story to funny) This movie did its job that it was supposed to.
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Post by Anna*Banana on Jan 24, 2015 14:38:12 GMT
MissMiss, you, like those you've quoted, have missed the point of the movie. You, as well as those quoted with extremist views, misunderstand the story and what good story telling is. Clint does not tell you what to think. He leads you through no path with an expected conclusion. Hate war, hate what it does to our soldiers, but to misread and denigrate based on a small peak into one mans life? It's just more extremist thinkining like you quoted. Links showing people's true colors on American Sniper. Very sad people out there: American sniper makes me wanna go shoot some f------ Arabs
Another: Sand N&#$$#rs
From a tweet: Nothing better than a TRUE STORY movie about a bunch of bad ass US Troops killing a bunch of towel wearing goat f**kers. (HAHA True Story to funny) This movie did its job that it was supposed to.
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Post by ingrid on Jan 24, 2015 15:11:00 GMT
Where on this thread did I say I haven't seen the movie? You didn't have to. Plus, I remembered rolling my eyes at this last month My oldest DS's bday is the 26th. We were thinking about going to see Night at the Museum 3, but in the wake of the Sudney attack this threat scares me just enough to want to change our plans. It's probably nothing, but I wouldn't be able to relax and enjoy the movie. I'm super stressed out by the experience of a movie in a theatre to begin with, so we only go to kids movies our kids specifically ask to see.This threat on top of my normal movie stress would send me so far over the edge I might not come back! Your young kids must have laid it on pretty thick when they asked to see this one.
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Post by ~Susan~ on Jan 24, 2015 16:01:16 GMT
No, according to the book that he wrote, he was pretty much an asshole before he went into the military. I mean, like crazy-level psycho. He had pins in his wrist because of a rodeo injury and one night when he went on a date, one of the pins kept hitting the turn signal and it was agitating him so he broke the pin off at the base of his skin. HE BROKE IT OFF. Yeah, that's a totally rational way to solve that problem. I haven't read the book or seen the movie so I'm not commenting on anything pertaining to that at all. But the quote about breaking off the pin at the base of his skin made me think of so many of the men I know. It may seem like insanity to you, but I swear I know people who would do the exact same thing. I live in a rural area with farmers, coal miners, loggers, and other tough guy types. I can see some of them doing that. And seeing it wouldn't even make me blink. My DH's granddad would use a drill press to puncture a hole through his fingernail if he ever smashed a finger...it relieved the pressure and then his finger would feel better. Then he'd keep on working. My DH shot a nail thru his hand two separate times. The first time he went to the Quick Care. The second time he pulled it out himself. Some people are just hard core. My DH stepped in a gopher hole and chipped off pieces of an ankle bone. The drs put him in a cast and wanted him to wear it 6-8 weeks, lol, that did not happen. He couldn't stand it, so a few days later, he propped it up on a desk and took a hack saw and a drimmel to it and cut it off. I have seen my father and grandfather do similar crazy $hit after they have been injured. I think it is just a man thing.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 25, 2015 0:20:15 GMT
Saw it today, amazing movie, story, character and direction!!! Chris Kyle did what he was trained to do, he saved 100's of lives in his 4 tours of duty. I can't even the imagine the toll it took on his life, his emotions and well being or the toll it took on his wife and kids. I hate how some in the media, on social media and on message boards have vilified him. The theatre where I saw the movie was like many mentioned on this board dead silent and many audience members were teary eyed/crying like myself. We just saw it today. Such a powerful film and yes our audience also left in silence and/or tears.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 0:37:14 GMT
DH and I are going to go tomorrow evening. My brother is a wounded warrior (Army), shot by a sniper in the neck. He's all kinds of geeked up over this movie and I see it as a way to continue understanding him better and connecting w him.
And I love Bradley.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jan 25, 2015 0:39:32 GMT
I see Seth Rogen is now apologizing and backtracking and saying his words were taken out of context. That's the problem with these Hollywood types. They say crap and then when there is backlash they realize it might affect their pocket book. I hope to hell it does.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 0:42:54 GMT
I don't know how any soldier could come home from that and be normal again. They usually don't.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jan 25, 2015 0:44:21 GMT
I am not coming down on either side, but this is a piece that explains the issues some have with Kyle. linkBut that link seems as biased as it claims the movie itself is.
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Post by Anna*Banana on Jan 25, 2015 0:55:47 GMT
And people like Chris Kyle fought to give you the right to have that opinion. We need our military and they need our support. Shame on you and Seth Rogan.... No military needs blind support. I support the military. I don't think most people in the military acted the way Chris Kyle acted. Being in the military doesn't give you immunity to being judged. And I think comments like yours only help to prove my point. People are having a hard time separating knowing the truth about one disturbed individual from supporting our troops. Having an opinion about Chris Kyle doesn't mean I don't support the troops. But blindly supporting him without knowing facts outside the movie does show a disturbing lack of critical thinking skills. So, you knew Chris Kyle and his family? Personally? Really? I have a hard time believing that. Well, I think you don't know him at all and so your "facts" aren't facts at all but just what you think and conjecture. Getting personal and accusing someone of not having critical thinking skills is just what I'd expect from you. And actually, if you're honest, you don't have any facts at all. It's just all kinds of moral superiority and judgement on your part. I don't have much respect or time for the likes of you and those who agree with you here. You sit in ivory towers and pass judgement on those who have been asked by this country and our leaders, including Obama, to do hard, awful jobs you can't fathom. You're morally lazy and probably physically lazy too. You'd never step outside of A/C or central heating for your countrymen. You're not worth much more of my time, but you better be glad, Chris Kyle, and those like him, think you are. And yes, I'm getting personal, because I take this personal. Having lost a husband over there and having had good friends who have also. You're a piece of work...
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 25, 2015 1:07:54 GMT
DH and I are going to go tomorrow evening. My brother is a wounded warrior (Army), shot by a sniper in the neck. He's all kinds of geeked up over this movie and I see it as a way to continue understanding him better and connecting w him. And I love Bradley. Please tell your brother my family thanks him for serving next time you talk to him.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 25, 2015 1:13:17 GMT
No military needs blind support. I support the military. I don't think most people in the military acted the way Chris Kyle acted. Being in the military doesn't give you immunity to being judged. And I think comments like yours only help to prove my point. People are having a hard time separating knowing the truth about one disturbed individual from supporting our troops. Having an opinion about Chris Kyle doesn't mean I don't support the troops. But blindly supporting him without knowing facts outside the movie does show a disturbing lack of critical thinking skills. And yes, I'm getting personal, because I take this personal. Having lost a husband over there and having had good friends who have also. You're a piece of work... I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm also sorry I didn't realize this all these years. Thank you and your late husband for your huge sacrifice for us and our country.
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Post by sillyrabbit on Jan 25, 2015 2:24:56 GMT
I'm so sorry for your loss, Anna*Banana. I am so very grateful for our military men and women and their families for all they give to this great country.
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Post by ingrid on Jan 25, 2015 3:07:22 GMT
No military needs blind support. I support the military. I don't think most people in the military acted the way Chris Kyle acted. Being in the military doesn't give you immunity to being judged. And I think comments like yours only help to prove my point. People are having a hard time separating knowing the truth about one disturbed individual from supporting our troops. Having an opinion about Chris Kyle doesn't mean I don't support the troops. But blindly supporting him without knowing facts outside the movie does show a disturbing lack of critical thinking skills. So, you knew Chris Kyle and his family? Personally? Really? I have a hard time believing that. Well, I think you don't know him at all and so your "facts" aren't facts at all but just what you think and conjecture. Getting personal and accusing someone of not having critical thinking skills is just what I'd expect from you. And actually, if you're honest, you don't have any facts at all. It's just all kinds of moral superiority and judgement on your part. I don't have much respect or time for the likes of you and those who agree with you here. You sit in ivory towers and pass judgement on those who have been asked by this country and our leaders, including Obama, to do hard, awful jobs you can't fathom. You're morally lazy and probably physically lazy too. You'd never step outside of A/C or central heating for your countrymen. You're not worth much more of my time, but you better be glad, Chris Kyle, and those like him, think you are. And yes, I'm getting personal, because I take this personal. Having lost a husband over there and having had good friends who have also. You're a piece of work... Oh, Anna. I don't even have the right words to express how sorry I am. I feel like I've *known* you on the boards forever and somehow had no idea you went through such a horrific loss.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 3:43:06 GMT
We just saw the movie tonight. It was a powerful story Clint Eastwood & Bradley Cooper did an amazing job. The actress playing his wife was powerful...the dread on her face when the phone dropped was heart wrenching. The point of the movie was to give a small glimpse into his life. We will never know everything him or his family went through. He did a hard job, one 90% of Americans will NEVER have to do, For that I am thankful. Each and every day there are those who choose to step away from their familes and place their lives in danger so we can speak,move,live,protest,vote,debate,sleep and so much more each and everday. For that I am proud to be thankful for those that serve & protect.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 25, 2015 4:32:22 GMT
Well, I have read about him and I do think he's a hero. Even more important is that the Marines and others he protected in Iraq considered him a hero. I think it's simplistic and disingenuous for liberal bleeding hearts, who have never been in battle and who care more for those who try to kill us than they do for those who protect us, to claim the man was not a hero. For them, political correctness is everything and the hell with actual American lives.
I really don't care that he referred to Iraqi's as "bad guys" or "brown people". He was sent into war and he saved American lives from bombs and rockets and sniper fire. That's what I care about and the lives he saved make him a hero.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 25, 2015 4:36:16 GMT
Anna , I'm so sorry. I cannot imagine having a husband who made that sacrifice and then having to listen to liberal idiots like Michael Moore and some here on this board make such ugly comments about someone who risked his own life repeatedly to protect men like your husband.
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Post by gryroagain on Jan 25, 2015 4:56:49 GMT
I'm a liberal bleeding heart, and a vet. So I guess my opinion should mean something, lol, but there is the rub- we do this so all the opinions mean something, even the ones we don't like.
I think the movie did a disservice in making Kyle almost a one dimensional superhero. He wasn't. Myshelly may have offended me with some of the stuff she said, but the truth is Kyle was a troubled man. What I wish the movie did better was show that these troubled men (and women) are instruments used in a specific way, for a specific purpose, and it does not translate to civilian life. It's ugly sometimes- heck, a lot of the time. Dehumanizing the enemy is a coping mechanism, how could it not be? His job was to kill people. It takes a great deal of disassociation to kill people, or make plans that kill people, or find people other people kill- basically every job in the military. It is by definition antisocial behavior, done to save humanity. It isn't pretty, or fun. But it is necessary. And men like Kyle deserve the gratitude, and the recognition of their flaws, from the American people. They deserve to be real, and sometimes that is unpleasant.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 25, 2015 4:59:39 GMT
Thank you for your comments Gyro
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