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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 10, 2015 4:24:19 GMT
I don't get why some people are so smugly anti-iProducts (iPhone, iPad, iPod etc etc).
Today a FB friend posted a rant about the Apple Watch and how anyone who buys one is weak, it's just consumerism, why would you let multimillionaire fads control you etc etc. One of his friends proudly and smugly proclaimed herself to be i-Free, she doesn't fall for consumerism and she is an individual goddammit!
Only one person posted something disagreeing with them, he said "Lighten up guys, it's called progress."
I have another friend who once proudly stated that she refuses to buy Apple anything. When I asked why, because IMO they really are great products, she couldn't really explain why other than "Apple is a greedy corporation". I told her that I loved my iPod and it was so much better than any of the other similar products on the market (in my experience). Next thing I know, she's bought one! And yes, she's very happy with it.
The way I figure it, if you can afford all the latest gizmos, why not buy them? As long as you're not sending your kids to school without feeding them, or living in your car because you can't afford rent after buying an Apple watch, who cares what you spend your own money on?
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Post by papersilly on Jun 10, 2015 4:36:05 GMT
I find that people either looooove Apple products or they are in the hate camp. I've sat at dinners where people got into heated arguments over Apple / no-Apple.
DH is all-Apple. I was not. What swayed me to some Apple products is the battery life on their phone and IPad. While the phone is nowhere as fun as the Galaxy, you can't beat the battery life or the camera quality. I really miss the Galaxy but I don't miss the 4 hour battery life. Well, maybe it lasts longer than than 4 hours but not much more. I would be hard pressed to use up the battery on my iPhone before needing a charge.
And I agree, if you want to spend your money on gizmos and the dogs aren't starving, why not? There are worse ways to spend your money than fun new tech toys.
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 10, 2015 4:38:53 GMT
I love all of my Apple products. I had an Apple II C (not to brag!). I love how reliable they are. My MacBook Pro is over three years old and is still faster than all of the new stuff they had at work. Yeah, they are more expensive, but if you love the product, you'll pay for it. Let people love what they want. Cue in Taylor Swift music.
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Post by doesitmatter on Jun 10, 2015 4:49:22 GMT
Eh I don't care if people love it or hate it - though I do think it's irrational lol. I was slow to jump on apple stuff because everyone said it was so different etc but we've been a family of iphones for awhile and Ive had a macbook pro for 3 months and I can't ever forsee going back to other pc/laptops- but no I don't hate them lol.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 10, 2015 4:53:16 GMT
I don't get it either. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I have been a happy Apple owner for decades, and I'm sorry but the stuff JUST WORKS. I don't have the time or patience for dealing with things that don't work the way they ought to. DH finally came to see the light three years ago when we switched over our cell phones, and now he would never switch back. He just upgraded to a 6+ and he LOVES it.
Case in point, I have a Ford Escape with Sync (Microsoft) that has hands-free phone, maps, etc. built in. Great, right? WRONG! DH repeatedly tries to use it to make calls with his iPhone and the thing pops up the wrong name 9 times out of 10. We finally figured out a workaround for it, and that is to ask SIRI to make the call. Presto, THAT works. It's just bizarre.
The same is true for the car's built in GPS. That stupid thing can't ever find what we're looking for with voice commands, even when the destination is spelled out letter by letter. It is beyond worthless but the Google Maps, Waze or even the native Maps app on my iPhone all work GREAT. And to add insult to injury, we just got a notice in the mail that we can update the maps on the (3 year old) car's GPS for "only" $149--and the shipping is FREE! Wow, what a bargain. I can buy a brand new Garmin or Tomtom with lifetime maps for less than that at Costco. Yeah, I'm not impressed.
As long as Apple keeps making stuff that works, I will be glad to keep buying it. It might cost more initially, but in my experience the stuff works better and lasts so much longer so in the end it's worth it.
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Post by auntkelly on Jun 10, 2015 4:56:50 GMT
I love my Apple products. I've never noticed any of my friends commenting on Apple one way or another on Facebook or in real life.
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Post by Peal on Jun 10, 2015 5:02:03 GMT
What I find so interesting is how cultishly in lockstep with each other each camp seems to be. If you love it you seem to be all in and if you hate it, there's no wiggle room. We aren't an apple family because DH and now DS like to tinker with their computers and you can't really do that with an apple. Although DS told me his AP computer programming class "fixed" an apple by installing windows on it. Not that windows is a much better option.
I am a little astounded by how very very successful the company is in convincing the entire world that what are essentially luxury items are nessesities akin to water and air. Okay, that's a little tongue-in-cheek.
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Post by conchita on Jun 10, 2015 5:11:59 GMT
I've got nothing but love for Apple.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 10, 2015 5:12:57 GMT
I have an iPod and a mini iPad. I'm neither a hater nor a lover of Apple. I didn't buy Apple for the name, I wanted a mini tablet with 2 cameras and Apple was the brand.
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Post by oaksong on Jun 10, 2015 5:14:56 GMT
I love all of my Apple products. I had an Apple II C (not to brag!). I love how reliable they are. My MacBook Pro is over three years old and is still faster than all of the new stuff they had at work. Yeah, they are more expensive, but if you love the product, you'll pay for it. Let people love what they want. Cue in Taylor Swift music. My first computer was a IIc also! Didn't we settle all of this in the last millennium? Windows sucks, but we have to deal with it because it's everywhere and it's cheaper. Apple products are really great but they cost a lot. Can't we all just get along?
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 10, 2015 5:18:19 GMT
What I find so interesting is how cultishly in lockstep with each other each camp seems to be. If you love it you seem to be all in and if you hate it, there's no wiggle room. We aren't an apple family because DH and now DS like to tinker with their computers and you can't really do that with an apple. Although DS told me his AP computer programming class "fixed" an apple by installing windows on it. Not that windows is a much better option. I am a little astounded by how very very successful the company is in convincing the entire world that what are essentially luxury items are nessesities akin to water and air. Okay, that's a little tongue-in-cheek. It is very cultish, isn't it
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Post by pjaye on Jun 10, 2015 5:22:27 GMT
I have to agree here. I got an iPod pretty much the minute they came out in Australia and loved it. There wasn't even iTunes then, and I could load it with whatever I wanted...I still have it and it still works, probably 10 years later. So I was a big Apple fan at that point. Then I got an iPad 1. Also loved it and at that point Apple were the only company who had a really good functional tablet.
But from then on they went in the wrong direction. Other companies came up with same/better products but now that Apple had millions of loyal customers they started to dick around with them. My 1st iPad works perfectly well (still does never had a single issue with it) BUT Apple essentially forced me to stop using it, apps wouldn't update, some apps were blocked from being installed and finally they stopped allowing IOS updates totally, so what I ended up with was an expensive technically functional iPad but where every app crashed making it as good as useless. They also 'drip feed' their customers new technology. They could have removable storage for their devices, but they don't. Then they changed the standard charging cables all of your previous things like docks, clocks etc couldn't be connected anymore. Plus each time you have to get a new SIM card because each one is always a different size. I think this 'planned obsolescence' is not only greedy, it is also wrong from the perspective of how much electronic waste they create. I think they started off as a good company making great products, but now it's all big business and corporate greed.
I hated being locked into using iTunes, hated the way they tried to lock you into buying everything else Apple too. I switched last year to a Samsung phone and once my iPad had had it, I'll switch to another brand tablet. I won't support the type of business practices Apple has and that whole corporate 'greed' mentality.
When I want to get a new phone it will be my decision - not because the company who made it have decided to stop it from working.
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Post by ptamom on Jun 10, 2015 5:31:42 GMT
I was Meh on Apple before tablets. One by one, my family switched over to MacBooks, the kids because that was what the school required to be in the laptop program, then DH for work. He changed jobs and was designing compatible webpages for smartphones and then the iPad, which required him to have those items in order to test them.
I didn't look twice at his iPhone, but when he got his first iPad, I sat up and took notice. Oh, how I coveted that thing!
I asked him to combine any and all presents for the coming year, Christmas, Valentines, Mother's Day, my birthday, and to get me an iPad.
He did! iPad 2 had just come out, so he got it for me.
I'm typing my post on it right now. I love this thing! Only recently did I get an iPhone 5, my "dumb" phone died, and even though it added a data plan, it seemed like it was time
DH has the latest iPad Air, and the iPhone 6, as his work upgrades him to the newest so he can keep the tech current, and I happily play on my iPad 2 and hope it won't die. I had a scare a few operating system upgrades ago when my iPad became a brick. I had to downgrade, which was "not recommended", but although rendering some apps useless, did increase the usability, especially for web browsing. I did recently upgrade when the web consensus proclaimed the upgrade not so bad.
There is still the occasional slowdown, but not as bad as the bricking. And all my apps are working again.
I'd be super sad if my iPad stopped working. The only time I bother to venture to our office to use my PC is when I need to type or format a lot of text, or photoshop something. Much faster on my desktop.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 10, 2015 5:34:29 GMT
The typical criticism of Apple is that they're too proprietary; they exert too much control over things like apps and music...won't allow Flash...design exclusive (pricey) accessories like the charging cord...produce operating systems on mobile devices that limit customization...refuse to allow any more OS updates after too short a time. Defenders argue that this strict oversight results in better quality. There's also a feeling that Apple products are overpriced.
Culturally, I think their ad campaign several years ago ("I'm a Mac"/"I'm a PC") with the overweight nebbishy guy playing the PC and the young, spry hip guy playing the Apple, possibly turned off as many people as it attracted. It contributed to this idea that people who buy Apple products are hipster-yuppie-elitists who who flaunt their slick, expensive iDevices while drinking their $7 Starbucks coffee. I'm not sure how much of the cultural stuff is US-centric. Would that image resonate with Australians?
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Post by perumbula on Jun 10, 2015 5:42:41 GMT
maybe people are all or nothing because with Apple you have to be. I can have a Droid and my husband can have an LG and we can share apps. We can use the same program to upload music. My daughter has a Samsung MP3 player and it can take the same music I upload to my phone without any weird work arounds. My son recent bought an iPhone. He's on his own now and will no longer be able to share music with us without having to jump through hoops (that may or may not work.) No sharing aps.
If you have Apple products it only makes sense for the whole household to have Apple.
I do think one of the things that get people's backs up is the Apple devotion from the mad crazy Apple fans. When the watch was introduced the talk about it made it sound like Apple had created the technology and the world had never seen anything like it. Cause it's completely different from the phone compatible tech watches put out by at least a couple of dozen other companies (that existed a couple of years before the Apple watch was introduced.) It may work well and be a nice tech watch. It's not the first one. Apple does a great job of making their product seem like it's brand new and they are the innovators. That sort of thing can be annoying to people.
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Post by chaosisapony on Jun 10, 2015 5:42:41 GMT
I don't care for Apple products just because I find them too hard to use. They are not intuitive to me and are very restricted on what you can do with them. I have an iPod shuffle from 2006 and it has always made me irate. I remember my boss getting the original iPad and it didn't even have a USB port. He couldn't print a document. IMO it was ridiculously restrictive. But to each their own, he loved it and has gone on to purchase each new model.
Among my peers a lot of people use Apple products as status symbols and that can intrinsically make those that don't have the products not like them because they feel excluded.
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Post by pjaye on Jun 10, 2015 5:47:15 GMT
Yes I think it does, from what I remember I think Apple have more of market share here than in most other countries, although I think Android devices are slowly catching up. If you think Apple is expensive in the USA, it's totally ridiculous here (and there's no reason, it's just because they can charge us more). I bought my brand new Samsung Note 3 outright for $520. The Apple 6 came out a few weeks later and the same phone with the same specs would have cost me just over $1100. Plus I would have had to get a new SIM card for $30. We pay way more than you do, so I think here it's even more of a 'status symbol'
I have no issue with Apple quality, I think it's great, but they have the ability to give people a great phone that lasts for many years and that could be upgraded with extra storage etc, yet they chose not to do so, instead they give people one new feature and hype it up so they think they need a new version every year. What happens to all the old phones?...there's probably 5yo 3rd world kids somewhere being paid 30 cents to pull the electronic components out.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 10, 2015 5:53:33 GMT
What happens to all the old phones?. Yeah, device disposable-ness bothers me, too. ("disposability"?...)
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 10, 2015 5:59:25 GMT
I have to agree here. But from then on they went in the wrong direction. Other companies came up with same/better products but now that Apple had millions of loyal customers they started to dick around with them. My 1st iPad works perfectly well (still does never had a single issue with it) BUT Apple essentially forced me to stop using it, apps wouldn't update, some apps were blocked from being installed and finally they stopped allowing IOS updates totally, so what I ended up with was an expensive technically functional iPad but where every app crashed making it as good as useless. They also 'drip feed' their customers new technology. They could have removable storage for their devices, but they don't. Then they changed the standard charging cables all of your previous things like docks, clocks etc couldn't be connected anymore. Plus each time you have to get a new SIM card because each one is always a different size. I think this 'planned obsolescence' is not only greedy, it is also wrong from the perspective of how much electronic waste they create. I think they started off as a good company making great products, but now it's all big business and corporate greed. I hated being locked into using iTunes, hated the way they tried to lock you into buying everything else Apple too. I switched last year to a Samsung phone and once my iPad had had it, I'll switch to another brand tablet. I won't support the type of business practices Apple has and that whole corporate 'greed' mentality. When I want to get a new phone it will be my decision - not because the company who made it have decided to stop it from working. Good points there Pjaye. I remember when a friend bought an expensive Bose docking station (about $500) and was happily using her iPod on it. Then several years later when she updated her iPod she found that she could still use the docking station to listen to the iPod, but it wouldn’t charge the iPod because Apple changed the technology. It also bugs me that the chargers are different for the iPhone 4 (that I have) and the iPhone 6 (that DD has). Why bother changing the type of chargers? When DD upgraded from an iPhone 4 to a 6, we had to get a new SIM card, but we didn’t know it at the time. Imagine her despair on Christmas morning when she couldn’t use her brand new toy! But apart from those things I am still a fan of the products. (I do prefer DSO’s Samsung Galaxy phone to my iPhone 4.) The typical criticism of Apple is that they're too proprietary; they exert too much control over things like apps and music...won't allow Flash...design exclusive (pricey) accessories like the charging cord...produce operating systems on mobile devices that limit customization...refuse to allow any more OS updates after too short a time. Defenders argue that this strict oversight results in better quality. There's also a feeling that Apple products are overpriced. Culturally, I think their ad campaign several years ago ("I'm a Mac"/"I'm a PC") with the overweight nebbishy guy playing the PC and the young, spry hip guy playing the Apple, possibly turned off as many people as it attracted. It contributed to this idea that people who buy Apple products are hipster-yuppie-elitists who who flaunt their slick, expensive iDevices while drinking their $7 Starbucks coffee. I'm not sure how much of the cultural stuff is US-centric. Would that image resonate with Australians? I remember that commercial, it played over here too. Even though I prefer PC to Apple Mac, I did get a chucke out of the commercial. But I guess I can see how some people would be turned off by it.
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Post by pjaye on Jun 10, 2015 6:05:24 GMT
...and Steve Jobs wasn't exactly known for philanthropy. He'd been quoted as saying he could make the world a better place by creating better elecontric products than by giving money to charities. Nice. Although Tim Cook is definitely doing better. But it still anywhere near what Bill Gates does. If I'm going to give my hard earned $ to some multimillionaire, I'd rather it go to the one who passes huge chunks of it on to charities than the one who hoards it all for his own personal wealth.
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Post by LeaP on Jun 10, 2015 6:08:15 GMT
As a family, we "drank the kool-aid" and have a plethora of Apple products. That said, the iPad does nothing for me and none of us are the least bit interested in the iWatch. We are not early adopters and keep our stuff for a long, long time. I post nothing pro or con Apple on Facebook. Actually, I never post anything on Facebook, but if I did it would be rainbows and ponies
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 6:53:16 GMT
I was an HP girl all the way. We had an iPod something (it is an antique now but it was the best one out there compared to others at the time-Dad won it). It didn't work. DS gradually started acquiring iPods, then an iMac was bought (I am still buying new HPs ever 3 years to the date). The iPads were bought (still buying HPs). Then I decided enough HP as I want my technology to talk to everyone else's in the family. I bought a MacBook Pro. It was a great computer. I had to get another one as I soaked it. Then in-between then were lots of iPhones. I would say DS has had 3 or 4. Dad and I each have one a 5. We will upgrade in the fall I think. Our contract is up so I think it's time. I also have an iPad Mini. It is very cute, too. We just do Apple better. I love my MacBook Pro and I will get another one when it dies. The iMac downstairs is still going strong. I would say we have 2 more years with it and then need to decide what to do next. We are in no hurry.
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Post by Lindarina on Jun 10, 2015 7:07:02 GMT
We avoid Apple products, mainly because my husband is a computer engineer and likes to be in control of the gadgets we bring into the house. That's more or less impossible with Apple products.
My biggest personal beef with Apple is that they decide for me when my device is old and needs to be replaced. By giving you the choice of installing an update that will kill your old device or keeping it as it was and watch the device become slow and unstable they try to push their customers to keep buying the newest devices.
We had a couple of Ipads that we got from my husbands company as a gift. After three years they were more or less useless. Our Android tablet is still going strong.
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Post by theshyone on Jun 10, 2015 7:21:20 GMT
I love my iPad, it's my life. The whole family is idevice. Yet I hate the forced obsoleteness that apple deliberately builds in. iOS , cables, chargers, SIM cards I hate it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 10:23:16 GMT
I have no issue with Apple quality, I think it's great, but they have the ability to give people a great phone that lasts for many years and that could be upgraded with extra storage etc, yet they chose not to do so, instead they give people one new feature and hype it up so they think they need a new version every year. What happens to all the old phones?...there's probably 5yo 3rd world kids somewhere being paid 30 cents to pull the electronic components out. I don't have issue with the quality either pjaye but I think you've touched on something that a lot of non-apple consumers find unacceptable....their reported abuse of off shore labour. They started out well initially but they're becoming more and more a " Big Brother" company that control all your electronics. There's increasing censorship of it's apps and more and more restrictive policies. They make it very difficult to share images and data with non apple users........bottom line...... they want total control!
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Post by scrapaddie on Jun 10, 2015 11:53:14 GMT
I don't get it either. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I have been a happy Apple owner for decades, and I'm sorry but the stuff JUST WORKS. I don't have the time or patience for dealing with things that don't work the way they ought to. DH finally came to see the light three years ago when we switched over our cell phones, and now he would never switch back. He just upgraded to a 6+ and he LOVES it. Case in point, I have a Ford Escape with Sync (Microsoft) that has hands-free phone, maps, etc. built in. Great, right? WRONG! DH repeatedly tries to use it to make calls with his iPhone and the thing pops up the wrong name 9 times out of 10. We finally figured out a workaround for it, and that is to ask SIRI to make the call. Presto, THAT works. It's just bizarre. The same is true for the car's built in GPS. That stupid thing can't ever find what we're looking for with voice commands, even when the destination is spelled out letter by letter. It is beyond worthless but the Google Maps, Waze or even the native Maps app on my iPhone all work GREAT. And to add insult to injury, we just got a notice in the mail that we can update the maps on the (3 year old) car's GPS for "only" $149--and the shipping is FREE! Wow, what a bargain. I can buy a brand new Garmin or Tomtom with lifetime maps for less than that at Costco. Yeah, I'm not impressed. As long as Apple keeps making stuff that works, I will be glad to keep buying it. It might cost more initially, but in my experience the stuff works better and lasts so much longer so in the end it's worth it. Hmmmm.... I really have no problem with the sync in my Ford escape. Occasionally, it will ask me to clarify by offering choices. I do have an iPhone synced to my car. I didn't he left not to get the GPS system because at the time I had a Garmin and their GPS seemed unreasonably expensive.
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Post by purplebee on Jun 10, 2015 11:59:04 GMT
Everyone has their likes and dislikes, I say do/buy/use what you like. I have android devices 'cause that's what I can afford.
I will never understand the folks who think that their way is the only way, and if you don't march in lockstep with them, you are wrong. I have encountered quite a few of them, on the internet and in real life. Live and let live, so much of it is just personal preference, what possible effect do my preferences have on your choices? I do have a major issue with the tons of electronic trash generated by the "latest and greatest" mindset.
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Post by pjaye on Jun 10, 2015 13:00:59 GMT
So how is that NOT a contradiction?
You say you have a major issue with the waste generated. However you also claim that people who speak out about that are trying to get everyone to agree with them? Surely if you have major issues with something, then morally the right thing to do is to speak out about it and educate others? Not just to shut up and say nothing and allow the bad stuff you disagree with to just continue happening?
like when (general) you go through 100 plastic water bottles each week, your choices effect the planet I live on, pollute it, kill the wildlife, contribute to child labour in poor countries etc. It's a world wide issue when a big company does the wrong things and some people choose to turn a blind eye - it does affect everyone in the long run.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 13:04:16 GMT
I'm m'eh about apple products. They never really appealed to me. I don't hate them or judge others for having them. I do dislike the whole "latest and greatest" mindset. My ex is a big apple hater and he has passed it on to the boys. (they pretty much echo all of their Dad's sentiments which is very annoying because some of them are misinformed) DS2 doesn't say much other than saying he just doesn't see the big deal about them. DS1 on the other hand will go on this whole rant about how apple is practically evil and I know he's parroting his Dad. I'm not a fan of some of Apple's business practices. However, I'm also not a fan of other companies' practices either but it doesn't prevent me from buying their products. I just may not frequent them as much. That said, I really want a surface.
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Post by Flowergirl on Jun 10, 2015 13:06:51 GMT
It doesn't get much more "first-world problem" than arguing about a cell-phone/tech platform! I absolutely despise reading comments on news and tech sites any time a new Apple or Andoid device is released. Typical response to new Apple release from Android user is always something like 'Wow (product feature). You mean like Android had years ago?' Apple user re: android release "I like my (Apple product) better. It's so (benefit)" It's a piece of technology ! Buy what you like and what suits your particular needs and STFU! This Apple/Android argument is a pet peeve of mine, if you were wondering!
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