Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on May 24, 2016 13:11:22 GMT
Never have. Never will. Would be a dealbreaker for my marriage. I absolutely cannot grasp why anyone would willingly bring that kind of recklessness and danger into their home. Are you saying that everyone who has a self defense weapon is reckless and dangerous? Somehow I don't think you know everyone's situation enough to make that call.
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Post by peano on May 24, 2016 14:34:34 GMT
Another shining example of the thought process of so many of the "responsible" gun owners out there. Damn straight. Now what part of defending myself do you feel is irresponsible? Not that I really care what you think, but you seem to imply that my reserving my right to defend myself with a weapon is irresponsible. How so, exactly?Honey, bless your heart. I'm sorry you don't understand that a position that would have you deciding to violate the law is irresponsible and makes you no different from the criminals from which you purport to defend yourself.
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Post by jenis40 on May 24, 2016 14:46:14 GMT
I get why u feel the way you do.. but if ur husband is issued a weapon for his job... i really don't think he will be able to just lock it in his desk... he will be responsible for it at all times... Exactly. And you're never really "off duty" so he will need his weapon on his person. I think some LEO and their departments may handle this differently. I have three BIL who are full time LEO and none of them carry off-duty. For them, the ramifications of carrying off duty are too high. They do keep guns (they all hunt) in their homes but I'm not sure if they keep their duty weapons at home. One is the Chief of Police in a small town, one is a Sherriff's Deputy in a metropolitan area over 1 million and one is a Lieutenant in a very large metropolitan area. All have over 15 years on the job.
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schizo319
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Post by schizo319 on May 24, 2016 14:54:45 GMT
We own a .357 Magnum that was given to DH by his grandfather and a small pellet gun inherited from my stepdad. I was never into guns, but when DH got his, a bunch of us went out to the firing range and I learned to shoot - turns out I'm a pretty great shot and I actually enjoyed it. I'm fine with having it, but we don't have kids, I don't know that I'd be as comfortable with it if that weren't the case...
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on May 24, 2016 14:58:25 GMT
Damn straight. Now what part of defending myself do you feel is irresponsible? Not that I really care what you think, but you seem to imply that my reserving my right to defend myself with a weapon is irresponsible. How so, exactly? Honey, bless your heart. I'm sorry you don't understand that a position that would have you deciding to violate the law is irresponsible and makes you no different from the criminals from which you purport to defend yourself. Violating the law doesn't necessarily equate with irresponsibility. The way this country is going is NOT in our best interests. I will NOT give up my right to a bear arms. Ever. The way to tyranny is to disarm the people. Check your history. If anyone managed to take my weapon whether by legal means or theft, I'd just get another. There is NO disarming me. It simply won't happen. I know a lot of others who feel the same way. There just won't be disarming the people here. Thank GOD for the NRA.
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Post by jenis40 on May 24, 2016 15:10:23 GMT
I answered yes although they are my DH's guns. He hunted and was a reserve deputy so they are "leftover" from that. None have been shot in years. I grew up on a ranch where guns were a necessary tool for predator control as well as livestock that needed to be killed for consumption or humane reasons. My family also hunted a little bit. My dad's guns were never locked up but my brother and myself never touched them. We were taught a healthy respect at an early age and both took safety training. My brother has small children so all guns on the ranch are now in a gun safe (my parents still live there). Brother and his wife hunt as well as handle predator control now. I don't think either of my parents have shot a gun in years. While I think brother and SIL may view them as "protection " it's more from wild animals.
I can shoot. I do not consider the guns we own protection because I don't have enough skill to use it effectively. My DH might because he has more experience and training. However the guns are not in a place that we could get them easily. We live in a safe neighborhood and a city with little violent crime.
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Post by Merge on May 24, 2016 15:19:20 GMT
Never have. Never will. Would be a dealbreaker for my marriage. I absolutely cannot grasp why anyone would willingly bring that kind of recklessness and danger into their home. Are you saying that everyone who has a self defense weapon is reckless and dangerous? Somehow I don't think you know everyone's situation enough to make that call.I know that statistically, you or one of your family members are far more likely to be injured or killed by your "self defense" gun than to ever actually defend yourself with it. So yeah, I think having a weapon in the house is reckless and dangerous. PubMed article extractI also think there should be interviews or some kind of competency test for gun ownership, and people who show signs or have a history of anger issues, unbalanced behavior or other potential red flags should not be permitted to own guns. Which would, my dear, completely exclude you from gun ownership. You are a vigilante waiting to happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 15:44:20 GMT
Rainbow I always wonder in these threads if you've had a genuine situation where you've had to defend yourself and it's made you fearful of it happening again. I and many other people do not live our lives in constant fear that someone might attack us, on it's own that fear does not seem rational.
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NoWomanNoCry
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on May 24, 2016 15:48:53 GMT
Exactly. And you're never really "off duty" so he will need his weapon on his person. I think some LEO and their departments may handle this differently. I have three BIL who are full time LEO and none of them carry off-duty. For them, the ramifications of carrying off duty are too high. They do keep guns (they all hunt) in their homes but I'm not sure if they keep their duty weapons at home. One is the Chief of Police in a small town, one is a Sherriff's Deputy in a metropolitan area over 1 million and one is a Lieutenant in a very large metropolitan area. All have over 15 years on the job. That wouldn't fly here at all them leaving their duty wepon at work in fact some depts here don't even have lockers for their LEOs to lock their personal things up. Plus like I said their never off duty and to not be armed is crazy IMO. We've had people my husband has arrested come up to us in public and start shit. You never know what these people will do. Just want to add for anyone reading this, this ^^ is more directed to LEO familes. I 100% support anyone NOT wanting to carry a gun. It's a personal choice and you have to do what it right for you and your family.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 16:02:06 GMT
I think some LEO and their departments may handle this differently. I have three BIL who are full time LEO and none of them carry off-duty. For them, the ramifications of carrying off duty are too high. They do keep guns (they all hunt) in their homes but I'm not sure if they keep their duty weapons at home. One is the Chief of Police in a small town, one is a Sherriff's Deputy in a metropolitan area over 1 million and one is a Lieutenant in a very large metropolitan area. All have over 15 years on the job. That wouldn't fly here at all them leaving their duty wepon at work in fact some depts here don't even have lockers for their LEOs to lock their personal things up. Plus like I said their never off duty and to not be armed is crazy IMO. We've had people my husband has arrested come up to us in public and start shit. You never know what these people will do. Just want to add for anyone reading this, this ^^ is more directed to LEO familes. I 100% support anyone NOT wanting to carry a gun. It's a personal choice and you have to do what it right for you and your family. Not attacking the original poster at all, just my opinion! Same here hubby has had a couple of dicey situations, we're he has pulled his weapon. Approach us in town and get aggressive,pushing and threatening nope.... We also had idiots come to our house. We are very active in our community, so many people know us..it's like hubby said you may not remember them but they remember you. It's part of being LEO, guns come with the profession, I don't think I personally could tell hubby he couldn't bring his weapon home with him. He drives a semi-marked car, so he is on duty while driving home. His Weapon/s are a necssary evil to carry out his duties, not only his duty pistol but he also has an A/R & rifle in his patrol car So it's something to think about, can you overcome your wants to work with him on his wants? I'd rather him have it than not. That's what our gun safe is for. I couldn't see hubby without it. Like the Pea above stated this is directed to LEO. Thank you all again for this civil discussion.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on May 24, 2016 16:18:42 GMT
Are you saying that everyone who has a self defense weapon is reckless and dangerous? Somehow I don't think you know everyone's situation enough to make that call. I know that statistically, you or one of your family members are far more likely to be injured or killed by your "self defense" gun than to ever actually defend yourself with it. So yeah, I think having a weapon in the house is reckless and dangerous. PubMed article extractI also think there should be interviews or some kind of competency test for gun ownership, and people who show signs or have a history of anger issues, unbalanced behavior or other potential red flags should not be permitted to own guns. Which would, my dear, completely exclude you from gun ownership. You are a vigilante waiting to happen. You are entitled to your opinion, with which I disagree. And regardless of any laws that gun-haters seek to put in place to prevent me from having a weapon to defend myself, I will have one. Always.
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Post by jenis40 on May 24, 2016 18:28:54 GMT
That wouldn't fly here at all them leaving their duty wepon at work in fact some depts here don't even have lockers for their LEOs to lock their personal things up. Plus like I said their never off duty and to not be armed is crazy IMO. We've had people my husband has arrested come up to us in public and start shit. You never know what these people will do. Just want to add for anyone reading this, this ^^ is more directed to LEO familes. I 100% support anyone NOT wanting to carry a gun. It's a personal choice and you have to do what it right for you and your family. Not attacking the original poster at all, just my opinion! Same here hubby has had a couple of dicey situations, we're he has pulled his weapon. Approach us in town and get aggressive,pushing and threatening nope.... We also had idiots come to our house. We are very active in our community, so many people know us..it's like hubby said you may not remember them but they remember you. It's part of being LEO, guns come with the profession, I don't think I personally could tell hubby he couldn't bring his weapon home with him. He drives a semi-marked car, so he is on duty while driving home. His Weapon/s are a necssary evil to carry out his duties, not only his duty pistol but he also has an A/R & rifle in his patrol car So it's something to think about, can you overcome your wants to work with him on his wants? I'd rather him have it than not. That's what our gun safe is for. I couldn't see hubby without it. Like the Pea above stated this is directed to LEO. Thank you all again for this civil discussion. Totally understand. I think it really depends on the department and area as well as the LEO's experiences. Like I said, I'm not sure if they keep their duty weapon at home (I'm pretty sure they do but don't have first hand knowledge). I just know that their personal preference is NOT to carry when off duty and they are all pretty adamant about it. None of them drive a vehicle off duty that mark them as police. We've had several instances in my city where off duty officers have not made good decisions while carrying. I think that reflects back on the individual and his/her training vs whether LEO should carry off duty though. I'm fine with people owning guns as long as they are responsible meaning safety classes and proper storage. I am for gun control in the form of limiting clip size, background checks and preventing the mentally ill and abusers from access. It may not keep guns out of the hands of criminals but if it prevents one unnecessary death it's worth it.
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raindancer
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Post by raindancer on May 24, 2016 19:12:12 GMT
Are you saying that everyone who has a self defense weapon is reckless and dangerous? Somehow I don't think you know everyone's situation enough to make that call. I know that statistically, you or one of your family members are far more likely to be injured or killed by your "self defense" gun than to ever actually defend yourself with it. So yeah, I think having a weapon in the house is reckless and dangerous. PubMed article extractI also think there should be interviews or some kind of competency test for gun ownership, and people who show signs or have a history of anger issues, unbalanced behavior or other potential red flags should not be permitted to own guns. Which would, my dear, completely exclude you from gun ownership. You are a vigilante waiting to happen. i think all members of the family should be required to pass such a test, and anyone under a certain age (say 12) automatically disqualifies you. I'm sick of hearing about babies shooting themselves and others. Clearly "responsible" owners make mistakes. And those mistakes kill innocent kids.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on May 24, 2016 19:39:58 GMT
I know that statistically, you or one of your family members are far more likely to be injured or killed by your "self defense" gun than to ever actually defend yourself with it. So yeah, I think having a weapon in the house is reckless and dangerous. PubMed article extractI also think there should be interviews or some kind of competency test for gun ownership, and people who show signs or have a history of anger issues, unbalanced behavior or other potential red flags should not be permitted to own guns. Which would, my dear, completely exclude you from gun ownership. You are a vigilante waiting to happen. i think all members of the family should be required to pass such a test, and anyone under a certain age (say 12) automatically disqualifies you. I'm sick of hearing about babies shooting themselves and others. Clearly "responsible" owners make mistakes. And those mistakes kill innocent kids. I never had one in the house when the kids were little, it was a different time back then. A lot has changed.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 25, 2016 16:16:29 GMT
No guns. Dh and I are both vets so we have plenty of experience with all types of weapons, but neither of us has ever wanted to personally own a weapon. Our preferred method of home protection is a big dog- they never accidentally go off when the kids are alone, they can't be used in the event of a domestic disagreement or mental health crisis, and most people seem more scared of a big dog than a gun! ^^^ just wanted to say that in my opinion, this is not always the case... any dogs can snap, given the right provocation. (I'm guessing you mean that since your dog is pretty large, people would be pretty intimidated by its looks; I do have to disagree on the 'they never go off' comment, though.) I get why some people feel safer without guns but my opinion is that unless you have a trained guard dog it is in no way a safer type of home or personal defense than a gun.
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