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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 22, 2016 19:59:41 GMT
Would you be applauding if the GOP had done this? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm applauding because I - along with the vast majority of Americans - think it's disgusting that the GOP lawmakers, the bought-and-paid-for handmaidens of the NRA, refuse to listen to their constituents and DO ANYTHING. linkThat's not accurate - they presented two bills on the Senate floor - one to increase funding for background checks and one to delay a sale to anyone on the no fly list from purchasing a weapon and would permanently bar a sale if terrorist activity could be proven. Those bills were defeated by DEMOCRATS.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 22, 2016 20:00:17 GMT
So who would like to explain why this proposal was voted down: "proposal to update the background check system for gun purchases, which would have required states to add more information on mental health records to a national database. It also included a provision to alert law enforcement agencies when an individual who was on a government terror watch list in the last five years buys a gun." Is there a site that shows the breakdown of who and who did not vote on this? Scroll to the bottom - almost exclusively party line bs: dailysignal.com/2016/06/21/see-how-your-senators-voted-on-4-gun-control-amendments/
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Post by Kymberlee on Jun 22, 2016 20:00:41 GMT
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 22, 2016 20:02:19 GMT
Partisan theatre. If they were really serious, they would be in bi-partisan meetings trying to hash out the differences in details so they could come together for real legislation. Instead, they want to create election year theatre. It is partly theatre. Yhey are trying to make the public more aware. I like it. No - both sides are playing the public for fools - the right is robocalling about the Dems coming for their guns and the left is sending out tweets that the GOP just agreed to arm ISIS.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 22, 2016 20:05:37 GMT
Would you be applauding if the GOP had done this? TO FINALLY DO SOMETHIG ABOUT THE GODDAMN GUN PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY? ? Yes. If the GOP staged a sit in to try and get the Dems to vote for any kind of sensible gun measure yes I would applaud them. But they're not. So no applause for them.
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Post by jayfab on Jun 22, 2016 20:06:43 GMT
The house speaker had the cameras turned off. Call his office and tell them you want then turned back on. Direct number 202-224-3121 I tried this number and got the Congressional switchboard, which wants you to choose House or Senate. Then, after you choose, the system wants you to input your zip code, which will give you the number for your specific Rep. Googled. Here's his office number. Phone: (202) 225-3031 Of course, you'll get an automated voice mail thing. But you can leave a message. And GREAT NEWS! Speaker Ryan himself says on the greeting that he wants the House to work for the people who sent their Representatives to Washington! I left him a message requesting that he switch the cameras and microphones back on, since being able to see what's happening in the House chamber is what would work best for me, and I urge everyone else to contact him, too. Dog gone the mailbox is not answering and the mailbox is full. I really wanted to leave a message. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 20:07:24 GMT
Partisan theatre. If they were really serious, they would be in bi-partisan meetings trying to hash out the differences in details so they could come together for real legislation. Instead, they want to create election year theatre. It is partly theatre. Yhey are trying to make the public more aware. I like it. Me too! Push this in the public's face as much as they can until November....I'm completely okay with that.....this and Donald Trump....
Good for them, good for John Lewis for rising up again!
Hmmm....let's see....give me an example of what issue specifically the GOP would stage a protest on the floor of the House for and then I can answer the question asked.
Personally, I think it's much better to use the floor of Congress to participate in things like this, than say, telling a colleague to "fuck off" or yelling "You lie" at the President of the United States during a SOTU address.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Jun 22, 2016 20:08:52 GMT
Why are we not upset over the democrats who voted down the other two gun proposals??? Four bills were put up for vote, democrats are responsible for voting down two of them. So really both parties are at fault at this point in time. There is no way a 100% democratic proposal will be voted in. There is no way a 100% republican proposal will be voted in, so why not start working towards a middle ground instead of staging sit ins, filibusters, tweets and robocalls??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 20:12:50 GMT
Why are we not upset over the democrats who voted down the other two gun proposals??? Four bills were put up for vote, democrats are responsible for voting down two of them. So really both parties are at fault at this point in time. There is no way a 100% democratic proposal will be voted in. There is no way a 100% republican proposal will be voted in, so why not start working towards a middle ground instead of staging sit ins, filibusters, tweets and robocalls?? I'm looking for information on what exactly was in these bills. Just saying that Democrats voted down the Republican bills and vice versa really isn't enough to go on.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Jun 22, 2016 20:18:57 GMT
here is a link, I know some peas don't like CNN but it has at least a small description of the bills, which I haven't been able to find elsewhere. Even with the descriptions it doesn't change the fact that the bills were voted down via party lines. CNN
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 20:19:59 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 22, 2016 20:24:36 GMT
It is partly theatre. Yhey are trying to make the public more aware. I like it. No - both sides are playing the public for fools - the right is robocalling about the Dems coming for their guns and the left is sending out tweets that the GOP just agreed to arm ISIS. <shrug>. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I still like what they're doing.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 22, 2016 20:26:39 GMT
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Jun 22, 2016 20:29:23 GMT
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 22, 2016 20:31:28 GMT
I like the Grasley and Feinstein Amendments. I need to know what reasonable suspicion entails with Feinstein. It's too vague for me. Not sure on the Cornyn Amendment. I think 3 business days is not enough time. There is so much government red tape.
Murphy Amendment seems like a step in the right direction. Grassley Amendment? That frankly scares me. I know more people who have died from their own hands with a gun than have been murdered.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 20:32:26 GMT
So interesting that those that are supporting this sit in are also the same ones that opposed the refusal to vote on a Supreme Court candidate.
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Post by ilikepink on Jun 22, 2016 20:35:06 GMT
While I do identify as a democrat, I identify more as a citizen and a mom. I just don't want to see another "crazy" person with a gun shoot people. It's that simple. We, as an evolved society, should be able to find a way to keep lethal weapons away from people who don't have a sense of right and wrong. It's that simple. And we elect representatives, and pay them, to create laws to protect our lives. Those people need to act. Do something. How hard is it?
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ETA: I just read the Washington Post summary of those 4 bills. It seems to me like many 7 year olds trying to make up rules to play a game. "my way" "no, my way". I just want send the ones who I didn't give birth to home, and my own boys would be given something else to do. Unfortunately, this is a real life and death situation - and dammit, Something Has to Be Done!!!!!!!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 22, 2016 20:43:56 GMT
This might not be the right thread - and if people would rather I start a new one - please just let me know and I will. As someone who's always lived in states that require a background check by a FFL for a firearm purchase, I really don't understand the controversy. Would someone in another state mind explaining why this is such a red hot issue for them? I believe 9/50 states require a background check by a FFL with a few extra requiring them just for handguns.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jun 22, 2016 20:53:31 GMT
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm applauding because I - along with the vast majority of Americans - think it's disgusting that the GOP lawmakers, the bought-and-paid-for handmaidens of the NRA, refuse to listen to their constituents and DO ANYTHING. linkThat's not accurate - they presented two bills on the Senate floor - one to increase funding for background checks and one to delay a sale to anyone on the no fly list from purchasing a weapon and would permanently bar a sale if terrorist activity could be proven. Those bills were defeated by DEMOCRATS. And this is just so beyond wrong and then for them to try and say it is all the republicans that won't agree to the bills. These are the two most important things right now - background checks and keeping people from getting guns that shouldn't have them - sickening that they are trying to say they want to stop it and then pull this and shame on the media for not showing the truth instead of playing it up as they are the ones that are trying to do the right thing. I know that both sides will never agree but to not vote for something just because the other side wrote the bill and it doesn't include everything you want and isn't written by who you want is crazy - I know both sides are guilty of this but seriously you would think that at some point someone would say hey be the bigger person and just do what right and try to prevent these tragedies.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 22, 2016 20:54:23 GMT
So interesting that those that are supporting this sit in are also the same ones that opposed the refusal to vote on a Supreme Court candidate. Not really. The House Democrats are doing this precisely to force a vote. Of course it would fail, but House members would be forced to take a position. This could be used against some of them in November.
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Post by Kymberlee on Jun 22, 2016 20:56:06 GMT
The problem that I see with all of these bills is that it *seems* that all of them were knee jerk responses and not well thought out and consequently filled with vagueness and unintended consequences. Perhaps we can get a bill on the floor that addresses real concerns with real solutions...solutions that protect us as well as preserving the rights of the citizens of this country. I dunno, just a thought. This drama filled jackassery that is going on in DC is just gross.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jun 22, 2016 20:56:53 GMT
I like the Grasley and Feinstein Amendments. I need to know what reasonable suspicion entails with Feinstein. It's too vague for me. Not sure on the Cornyn Amendment. I think 3 business days is not enough time. There is so much government red tape. Murphy Amendment seems like a step in the right direction. Grassley Amendment? That frankly scares me. I know more people who have died from their own hands with a gun than have been murdered. I agree I don't think 3 days is enough time either. I am not sure but I think it is 10 in California but since I haven't tried to buy a gun I don't know for sure. I don't think people should be prevented from buying a gun legally but they should have to go through the proper channels and that some people should never be allowed to legally buy a gun.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jun 22, 2016 20:58:43 GMT
The problem that I see with all of these bills is that it *seems* that all of them were knee jerk responses and not well thought out and consequently filled with vagueness and unintended consequences. Perhaps we can get a bill on the floor that addresses real concerns with real solutions...solutions that protect us as well as preserving the rights of the citizens of this country. I dunno, just a thought. This drama filled jackassery that is going on in DC is just gross. They have had years heck decades to come up with a decent bill this has been going on for decades - I agree it shouldn't be knee jerk but this isn't like it is the first time this has been brought up it is hard to believe that someone couldn't have come up with a good bipartisan bill after all these years.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 22, 2016 21:01:53 GMT
I like the Grasley and Feinstein Amendments. I need to know what reasonable suspicion entails with Feinstein. It's too vague for me. Not sure on the Cornyn Amendment. I think 3 business days is not enough time. There is so much government red tape. Murphy Amendment seems like a step in the right direction. Grassley Amendment? That frankly scares me. I know more people who have died from their own hands with a gun than have been murdered. I agree I don't think 3 days is enough time either. I am not sure but I think it is 10 in California but since I haven't tried to buy a gun I don't know for sure. I don't think people should be prevented from buying a gun legally but they should have to go through the proper channels and that some people should never be allowed to legally buy a gun. That 3 day wait is just for those on the No fly list and extra screening list fyi - the California 10 day waiting period is for all purchases. I actually think it would be a no brainer to combine the two terror bills - apply Feinstein's no purchase, but ability to TIMELY contest, but for the narrower No Fly list of the Republican bill. I would also add the requirement from the Republican bill to notify law enforcement for anyone who purchases a gun who has been on the list in the last 5 years. edited to correct as the Feinstein bill is broader than just the No Fly list.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 22, 2016 21:03:10 GMT
It's too bad it isn't the end of July when these asshats get a *month* long vacation in August. I think compromising would become much easier.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 21:03:27 GMT
I LOVE YOU!!! This, a billionty times!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 22, 2016 21:05:44 GMT
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm applauding because I - along with the vast majority of Americans - think it's disgusting that the GOP lawmakers, the bought-and-paid-for handmaidens of the NRA, refuse to listen to their constituents and DO ANYTHING. linkThat's not accurate - they presented two bills on the Senate floor - one to increase funding for background checks and one to delay a sale to anyone on the no fly list from purchasing a weapon and would permanently bar a sale if terrorist activity could be proven. Those bills were defeated by DEMOCRATS. This article kinda explains a little of the bills and why they were all voted down: www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/06/20/senate-heads-for-gun-control-showdown-likely-to-go-nowhere/
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Post by whopea on Jun 22, 2016 21:08:35 GMT
The problem that I see with all of these bills is that it *seems* that all of them were knee jerk responses and not well thought out and consequently filled with vagueness and unintended consequences. Perhaps we can get a bill on the floor that addresses real concerns with real solutions...solutions that protect us as well as preserving the rights of the citizens of this country. I dunno, just a thought. This drama filled jackassery that is going on in DC is just gross. Amen. The problem is none of them (R or D) are concerned about *real* compromise or solutions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 21:09:03 GMT
I actually think it would be a no brainer to combine the two terror bills - apply Feinstein's no purchase, but ability to TIMELY contest, but for the narrower No Fly list of the Republican bill. I would also add the requirement from the Republican bill to notify law enforcement for anyone who purchases a gun who has been on the list in the last 5 years. At least this would be a start. Honestly, the Murphy bill being voted down is what disappoints me the most out of these 4.
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