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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 23, 2016 0:19:56 GMT
So, therefore it's ok to kill them by abortion? Isn't one child's life just as valuable as anothers? What number is an acceptable number of deaths? More children are killed in car accidents than by guns. Should we prohibit children riding in cars? After all far more are killed that way than by either guns or abortion. While I am in favor of some gun control, the above comment is, IMO, ridiculous. It doesn't need to be an "either/or". No it points out the hypocrisy. People want to stop abortion because they want to save the life of the unborn. But do not want to do anything about the people who are born and killed by guns. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 23, 2016 0:22:10 GMT
Can't the same be said for those in favor of abortion rights yet wanting gun controls.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jun 23, 2016 0:26:50 GMT
So, therefore it's ok to kill them by abortion? Isn't one child's life just as valuable as anothers? What number is an acceptable number of deaths? More children are killed in car accidents than by guns. Should we prohibit children riding in cars? After all far more are killed that way than by either guns or abortion. While I am in favor of some gun control, the above comment is, IMO, ridiculous. It doesn't need to be an "either/or". There are far more abortions that there are people killed by guns in this country - according to the info I can find there are more than 600,000 abortions each year in this country that is insane - there are not that many murders by guns in this country that number is around 12,000 which is still insanely high but not even close. there are more than 21,000 suicides by guy a year. |
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 23, 2016 0:30:06 GMT
TO FINALLY DO SOMETHIG ABOUT THE GODDAMN GUN PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY?  ? Yes. If the GOP staged a sit in to try and get the Dems to vote for any kind of sensible gun measure yes I would applaud them. But they're not. So no applause for them. Right to bear arms-constitutional right. Abortion-not a constitutional right. So if the GOP held a sit in to get abortion rights restricted you would be all for that, after all it would save childrens' lives. Just because you agree with what they are protesting does not make it right and it is the height of hypocrisy to be okay with it when you agree, but it's horrible if you disagree. What? If the Repubs want to have a sit in to force a vote on abortion rights, great, more power to them. The Dems will show up and vote on that one. (And it'll be no). I'm not really understanding your argument here? Are you trying to say that I would not be for a sit in on a topic I didn't agree on but its ok now because I do agree on it? (Sorry, I'm 9 weeks pregnant and having some serious pregnancy brain and am super tired right now). Anywho, if my question was correct, honestly if either side were flat out refusing to budge and make any decision on any topic, then yes, I think they should stage a sit in to try and get something to happen. If that's what it takes then that's what it takes. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 23, 2016 0:32:00 GMT
I think her point is, and i could be wrong, that people who are outraged by loss of life from guns accept the loss of life from abortion. The right to bear arms is a Constitutionally Protected right. Abortion is a tangent on the 14th amendment.
I get your point, but want to comment on blondie's post.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 23, 2016 0:32:44 GMT
So, therefore it's ok to kill them by abortion? Isn't one child's life just as valuable as anothers? What number is an acceptable number of deaths? More children are killed in car accidents than by guns. Should we prohibit children riding in cars? After all far more are killed that way than by either guns or abortion. While I am in favor of some gun control, the above comment is, IMO, ridiculous. It doesn't need to be an "either/or". There are far more abortions that there are people killed by guns in this country - according to the info I can find there are more than 600,000 abortions each year in this country that is insane - there are not that many murders by guns in this country that number is around 12,000 which is still insanely high but not even close. there are more than 21,000 suicides by guy a year. And yet, those screaming loudest for gun control are also the most staunch supporters of abortion. Boggles my mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 0:46:05 GMT
according to the info I can find there are more than 600,000 abortions each year in this country that is insane - there are not that many murders by guns in this country that number is around 12,000 which is still insanely high but not even close. First of all, abortion is a completely different and separate issue from gun control. Second, I'm going to need you to cite your source on those numbers you posted above. That just doesn't sound accurate to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 1:01:40 GMT
I'm a Republican. Democrats are welcome to protest, sit on the floor, call attention to their cause, and it doesn't bother me in the least.
They can even do it retroactively in response to a bill they at least had a chance to vote on, unlike many issues in the past eight years.
But what gets my goat is the condemnation in the media and among Democrats when Republicans use the same tactics. Cruz's filibuster against Obamacare, anyone?
So much of the applause is not about the issue, but about people cheering their side at any cost.
This country needs four or more political parties in the worst way to break this two-power standoff.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 23, 2016 1:14:01 GMT
according to the info I can find there are more than 600,000 abortions each year in this country that is insane - there are not that many murders by guns in this country that number is around 12,000 which is still insanely high but not even close. First of all, abortion is a completely different and separate issue from gun control. Second, I'm going to need you to cite your source on those numbers you posted above. That just doesn't sound accurate to me. Of course it is! (and I mean that sarcastically) The difference in the issues is ,that even though both involve killing babies/children, you agree with one right (abortion) and disagree with the other (gun rights) Therefore, you find a non-existent distinction between them. This is exactly my point. The "my way is the right way" attitude keeps this country polarized |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 23, 2016 1:15:04 GMT
YES!!!
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Post by elaine on Jun 23, 2016 1:18:24 GMT
I'm a Republican. Democrats are welcome to protest, sit on the floor, call attention to their cause, and it doesn't bother me in the least. They can even do it retroactively in response to a bill they at least had a chance to vote on, unlike many issues in the past eight years. But what gets my goat is the condemnation in the media and among Democrats when Republicans use the same tactics. Cruz's filibuster against Obamacare, anyone? So much of the applause is not about the issue, but about people cheering their side at any cost. This country needs four or more political parties in the worst way to break this two-power standoff. Filibuster - a tactic to PREVENT a vote on an issue Current Sit-in - a tactic to FORCE a vote on an issue Prior - refusing to work Latter - trying to force the other side to work. Very clear differences to me. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 23, 2016 1:23:21 GMT
So what was your position on the Democrats in Illinois (or was it Wisconsin) who fled the state rather than allow a vote to proceed on an issue they knew they's lose?
I could be wrong, but I seem to recall you giving the "runners" your full support even though they were looking to prevent a vote they knew they'd lose. In other words they "weren't doing their jobs".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 1:23:24 GMT
First of all, abortion is a completely different and separate issue from gun control. Second, I'm going to need you to cite your source on those numbers you posted above. That just doesn't sound accurate to me. Of course it is! (and I mean that sarcastically) The difference in the issues is ,that even though both involve killing babies/children, you agree with one right (abortion) and disagree with the other (gun rights) Therefore, you find a non-existent distinction between them. This is exactly my point. T he "my way is the right way" attitude keeps this country polarized Yep. We're all guilty of it, on all sides. This thread is about gun control. Abortion and gun control are not the same thing. |
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 23, 2016 1:23:59 GMT
So who would like to explain why this proposal was voted down: "proposal to update the background check system for gun purchases, which would have required states to add more information on mental health records to a national database. It also included a provision to alert law enforcement agencies when an individual who was on a government terror watch list in the last five years buys a gun." Because it doesn't do anything. The goal is to stop those people from buying guns. Not "letting someone know once they do". That might be too late. The other GOP bill was voted down by Dems because it was only allowing the FBI 72 hours to block a sale. The FBI themselves have said that's not long enough . So again ... it didn't really do anything. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 23, 2016 1:25:23 GMT
I agree. We are all guilty of it. However, even though the particular issue on this thread is gun control, the bigger issue shown here is each side's refusal to compromise or to acknowledge that anyone other than "himself" could possibly have a valid point. However, it's hypocritical (on both sides) to take diametrically opposed stances on issues involving the same thing; loss of life by intentional acts.
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Post by elaine on Jun 23, 2016 1:25:41 GMT
So what was your position on the Democrats in Illinois (or was it Wisconsin) who fled the state rather than allow a vote to proceed on an issue they knew they's lose? I could be wrong, but I seem to recall you giving the "runners" your full support even though they were looking to prevent a vote they knew they'd lose. I had no opinion on that issue - it wasn't my state and I didn't know enough to put up an opinion on a public message board. But you can go ahead and fabricate whatever you want to try to suit you - it is pure fantasy. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 23, 2016 1:29:16 GMT
I'm not fabricating anything. Even though you are now taking the position that you are taking no position, the fact remains, you only seem to have an opinion when it's the Republicans whom you believe are "not doing their jobs". I really don't see how you can pretend not to understand that leaving the state in order to prevent a quorum necessary to vote so that you can prevent a vote you know your side will lose, is just the type of shenanigans you are condemning the REpublicans for.
And you can't pretend not to know what was happening in Illinois. It was in all the national newspapers, on all the national newchannels and discussed here ad nauseum. You have been an active member of this board for well over 10 years. You knew what the issues were in that case. I am not making anything up. I suspect there is simply no way for you to distinguish the acts by Democrats there and the acts now by Republicans that you condemn so it's easier to claim you have no opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 1:31:03 GMT
I agree. We are all guilty of it. However, even though the particular issue on this thread is gun control, the bigger issue shown here is each side's refusal to compromise or to acknowledge that anyone other than "himself" could possibly have a valid point. However, it's hypocritical (on both sides) to take diametrically opposed stances on issues involving the same thing; loss of life by intentional acts. I'm not disagreeing with you completely. It's just that if we're ever going to start coming up with compromises, we've all got to stop the finger-pointing, stick to one issue at a time, and get something done. |
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 23, 2016 1:33:09 GMT
I'm a Republican. Democrats are welcome to protest, sit on the floor, call attention to their cause, and it doesn't bother me in the least. They can even do it retroactively in response to a bill they at least had a chance to vote on, unlike many issues in the past eight years. But what gets my goat is the condemnation in the media and among Democrats when Republicans use the same tactics. Cruz's filibuster against Obamacare, anyone? So much of the applause is not about the issue, but about people cheering their side at any cost. This country needs four or more political parties in the worst way to break this two-power standoff. The difference is the ACA is LAW. And has been upheld. The GOP have forced somewhere around 60 votes on repealing it and LOST and LOST and LOST. Totally different scenario! |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 23, 2016 1:34:17 GMT
may I ask which part you agree on?
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 23, 2016 1:36:00 GMT
I'm a Republican. Democrats are welcome to protest, sit on the floor, call attention to their cause, and it doesn't bother me in the least. They can even do it retroactively in response to a bill they at least had a chance to vote on, unlike many issues in the past eight years. But what gets my goat is the condemnation in the media and among Democrats when Republicans use the same tactics. Cruz's filibuster against Obamacare, anyone? So much of the applause is not about the issue, but about people cheering their side at any cost. This country needs four or more political parties in the worst way to break this two-power standoff. The difference is the ACA is LAW. And has been upheld. The GOP have forced somewhere around 60 votes on repealing it and LOST and LOST and LOST. Totally different scenario! And the 2nd amendment is a Constitutional Guarantee. The Dems have repeated tried to impose on that right and LOSE and LOSE and LOSe. See what I'm getting at. You can't take the position that if your side wants it, it's the law but if the other side wants it, "OMG!!!" Everyone "says" they want compromise but that seems to mean "compromise so that I get the laws I want and maybe we'll see about your desire for laws at another time. Maybe". |
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Post by peasapie on Jun 23, 2016 1:41:11 GMT
There will never be a compromise or anything done. Our representatives are just as polarized as the people they represent. Aside from a few independents, the lines are strictly drawn: To Democrats: their side is always right and any action or non-action they take is applauded while vilifying the Republicans for everything. There is always a "distinction" for why it's ok when they do something and not ok when the other side does it. In short, if it's done by the Dems, great. If it's done by the Republicans "OMG..what an outrage". And frankly, the Republicans are the same way. The inability of people on this board and in this country to look to work together instead of "my way or the highway" is merely reflected in our elected officials. We all are guilty. I agree with you. And furthermore, both sides say they want outsiders to get the job done but no one really wants "their"'side to collaborate and compromise with the other. |
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Post by elaine on Jun 23, 2016 1:45:29 GMT
I'm not fabricating anything. Even though you are now taking the position that you are taking no position, the fact remains, you only seem to have an opinion when it's the Republicans whom you believe are "not doing their jobs". I really don't see how you can pretend not to understand that leaving the state in order to prevent a quorum necessary to vote so that you can prevent a vote you know your side will lose, is just the type of shenanigans you are condemning the REpublicans for. And you can't pretend not to know what was happening in Illinois. It was in all the national newspapers, on all the national newchannels and discussed here ad nauseum. You have been an active member of this board for well over 10 years. You knew what the issues were in that case. I am not making anything up. I suspect there is simply no way for you to distinguish the acts by Democrats there and the acts now by Republicans that you condemn so it's easier to claim you have no opinion. I never said that I didn't know what was going on, just that I didn't know enough, nor did I vote for those state house members, in order to have a say that should have any impact, so didn't state one. It had to do with the Illinois state government, none of which the members did I vote for, did you? Why should either of us have a say? You can try to claim whatever you want to. I did and do have an opinion on what happened, but I NEVER talked about it publicly. I understand and respect the differences between state and federal government. I know that you do too. But you can continue to make up whatever fantasies you have about me. Be sure that you start a thread about how you make up stuff about me and jump on me and all that too, just like you did about Dog Trasher / Rainbow okay? Because you are all about fairness and equality and all, right? You wouldn't want to accuse and trash others for the same thing you do yourself, right? Just like the whole supposed point of all your posts on this thread, right?  |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 23, 2016 1:53:20 GMT
Elaine, I haven't made up anything about you. Anything I've said about you with respect to Rainbow Scrapper has been because of the ugliness of your posts to or about her. Even in your post here you can't resist the urge to take a dig at her by calling her dog trasher.
I'm not sure what your issue is with her but with respect to the politics, I call them as I see them. IMO, you cheer the Democrats and vilify the Republicans even when they do the same thing.
If it makes you feel better to believe I'm fabricating things, I know I'm not going to change your mind. However, you did, in fact, comment on those threads about the runaway Dems and your claims that the difference is State v. Federal elected officials is disingenuous at best.
I know you'll never admit they are the same or that the Dems could ever have acted inappropriately so I won't even try with respect to you. Party lines are everything. And before you spout it back at me, yes I know that very often the Republicans are the same way. The end result is that our country is in a state of chaos with no apparent hope for resolution.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 23, 2016 1:56:20 GMT
I'm not fabricating anything. Even though you are now taking the position that you are taking no position, the fact remains, you only seem to have an opinion when it's the Republicans whom you believe are "not doing their jobs". I really don't see how you can pretend not to understand that leaving the state in order to prevent a quorum necessary to vote so that you can prevent a vote you know your side will lose, is just the type of shenanigans you are condemning the REpublicans for. And you can't pretend not to know what was happening in Illinois. It was in all the national newspapers, on all the national newchannels and discussed here ad nauseum. You have been an active member of this board for well over 10 years. You knew what the issues were in that case. I am not making anything up. I suspect there is simply no way for you to distinguish the acts by Democrats there and the acts now by Republicans that you condemn so it's easier to claim you have no opinion. Oh ffs!!!! You SCREAM the same things over and over. You too post the same shit ad nauseum. You don't speak for everyone and your SCREAMING and disdain towards people here is reminiscent of the old board. You, just as much-if not more than others just cannot help yourself by trying to cram your opinions down the throats of others. All your posts on this thread have been forcefully spoken and since your first post on this thread, just to antagonize. Jesus, give it a rest already! |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 23, 2016 2:04:49 GMT
For the love of all that is holy, will you East Coasters EVER learn the difference between the "flyover states"? I'm toying with the idea of changing my avatar to a map of the Midwest. Illinois Democratic legislators never left the state to avoid a vote. That was Wisconsin. Think Scott Walker. Union busting. Cheese.  |
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Post by elaine on Jun 23, 2016 2:13:54 GMT
Elaine, I haven't made up anything about you. Anything I've said about you with respect to Rainbow Scrapper has been because of the ugliness of your posts to or about her. Even in your post here you can't resist the urge to take a dig at her by calling her dog trasher. I'm not sure what your issue is with her but with respect to the politics, I call them as I see them. IMO, you cheer the Democrats and vilify the Republicans even when they do the same thing. If it makes you feel better to believe I'm fabricating things, I know I'm not going to change your mind. However, you did, in fact, comment on those threads about the runaway Dems and your claims that the difference is State v. Federal elected officials is disingenuous at best. I know you'll never admit they are the same or that the Dems could ever have acted inappropriately so I won't even try with respect to you. Party lines are everything. And before you spout it back at me, yes I know that very often the Republicans are the same way. The end result is that our country is in a state of chaos with no apparent hope for resolution. Have a good night. You have an active fantasy life about me, Lauren. Nowhere did I say whatever you claim about me and the teachers in Illinois. But you have sweet dreams and continue on in your fantasyland. I sincerely wish you the best with that. G'night. |
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Post by elaine on Jun 23, 2016 2:19:12 GMT
For the love of all that is holy, will you East Coasters EVER learn the difference between the "flyover states"? I'm toying with the idea of changing my avatar to a map of the Midwest. Illinois Democratic legislators never left the state to avoid a vote. That was Wisconsin. Think Scott Walker. Union busting. Cheese. THANK YOU!!! I was wondering with all of Lauren's blabbering on whether I was even more disconnected than I thought I was. I remembered it as taking place in Wisconsin and being about teachers and their rights and pay. But, given that my Graves' disease came back with a vengeance 19 months ago and I've had multiple surgeries in 2015 and 2016 (2 more left to go) and I wasn't sure about my memory of which state. But, Lauren, who is 100% CERTAIN of MY participation in those threads, apparently can't even remember which state it was about. Yeah. I hope that my surgeon doesn't have the thought processes of Lauren, or my eyes are doomed. |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jun 23, 2016 2:19:45 GMT
First of all, abortion is a completely different and separate issue from gun control. Second, I'm going to need you to cite your source on those numbers you posted above. That just doesn't sound accurate to me. Of course it is! (and I mean that sarcastically) The difference in the issues is ,that even though both involve killing babies/children, you agree with one right (abortion) and disagree with the other (gun rights) Therefore, you find a non-existent distinction between them. This is exactly my point. The "my way is the right way" attitude keeps this country polarized Actually, they don't both involve killing children. Only one does. I don't support abortion. I support a woman's right to control over her body. Big difference. |
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