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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 22:02:17 GMT
Not odd, I was singing to the heavens during it. It is a battle hymn after all , meant to rouse the people hearing it.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jul 13, 2016 22:12:55 GMT
Are you offended that I am shocked that Michelle is tall? No I'm not offended, I knew she was tall but I didn't agree with the "dwarfing" comment
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 13, 2016 22:19:23 GMT
I know it was a somber occasion, but watching that video completely flashed me back to elementary school performances where there is always one kid that goes rogue and dances to their own drum. From what I saw, Michelle was definitely straight arming him and finally broke with a "I give up" grin and shake of the head. We really can't see Laura at this point and I wish they'd kept the shot wider so we'd see Joe Biden as well. I'd also love to know what the woman holding hands with the Police Chief said to the guy with the yellow tie, because they were definitely looking over at George (IMHO of course ).
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 13, 2016 22:24:45 GMT
True to form, the guy is a bloody fruitcake. I struggle to understand how anyone can think that it's appropriate behaviour AT A MEMORIAL SERVICE! 5 police officers have been killed FFS and that clown is swinging his arms around, swaying and singing and grinning like a lunatic. THAT'S the George W Bush that the rest of the world knows and loves mocks and ridicules.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 23:51:15 GMT
I've been to lots of funerals. I've been to lots of police line-of-duty funerals. I've never been to any funeral, police or otherwise, that didn't have some light moments, some laughter, even some jokes at the expense of the deceased. Other than the fact that he's an ex-president, always on camera, and maybe would want to act a little more somber for that reason ... I don't see the big deal. And it seems in line with his past behavior at public events. But, that said: Michelle and Barack were smiling right along with him, Michelle leaned in with him for a big ol' smile and Barack even swayed with him for a bit. So, they were acting inappropriately too, then, but they don't get mentioned. No, they didn't, and no, they weren't. Maybe we were watching different videos then. The one I watched, Laura was swaying from the very beginning. Barack starts swaying at 24: and Michelle leaned in to George with a big smile at 30: and that's when Barack smiled in unison.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 13, 2016 23:54:27 GMT
I've been to lots of funerals. I've been to lots of police line-of-duty funerals. I've never been to any funeral, police or otherwise, that didn't have some light moments, some laughter, even some jokes at the expense of the deceased. Other than the fact that he's an ex-president, always on camera, and maybe would want to act a little more somber for that reason ... I don't see the big deal. And it seems in line with his past behavior at public events. But, that said: No, they didn't, and no, they weren't. Maybe we were watching different videos then. The one I watched, Laura was swaying from the very beginning. Barack starts swaying at 24: and Michelle leaned in to George with a big smile at 30: and that's when Barack smiled in unison.Did you read the article you just linked? It says the exact opposite of what you've been saying in this thread, so I thought it was an odd thing for you to link.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 0:50:46 GMT
Did you read the article you just linked? It says the exact opposite of what you've been saying in this thread, so I thought it was an odd thing for you to link. Yes, I read the article. Did you watch the video? It shows what you just quoted me saying.
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Post by txdancermom on Jul 14, 2016 0:53:02 GMT
While it was strange, he was really getting into the music.
and I had the Battle Hymn of the Republic repeating in my head all afternoon!
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Post by lucyg on Jul 14, 2016 0:57:15 GMT
Did you read the article you just linked? It says the exact opposite of what you've been saying in this thread, so I thought it was an odd thing for you to link. Yes, I read the article. Did you watch the video? It shows what you just quoted me saying. It shows Michelle giving him a pained-looking smile. Of course we will never know exactly what was going on in all their heads at the time. And as I said above, I don't have any serious problem with Pres. Bush's actions. But your insistence that the Obamas were doing the same thing he was and enjoying it/encouraging him*** ... is just slightly the other side of ridiculous. ***but also being given a pass by the bigoted liberals on this thread, even as they attack poor Pres. Bush ...
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Post by jayfab on Jul 14, 2016 1:04:37 GMT
I think he was just caught up in the moment. It happens. It wasn't horrible, just a bit odd looking on from the outside.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 1:06:36 GMT
Yes, I read the article. Did you watch the video? It shows what you just quoted me saying. It shows Michelle giving him a pained-looking smile. Of course we will never know exactly what was going on in all their heads at the time. And as I said above, I don't have any serious problem with Pres. Bush's actions. But your insistence that the Obamas were doing the same thing he was and enjoying it/encouraging him*** ... is just slightly the other side of ridiculous. ***but also being given a pass by the bigoted liberals on this thread, even as they attack poor Pres. Bush ... As I said to Peano when she said I need to take a closer look at the video, I had taken a closer look, I watched it several times and did not see what you see. So I watched it a few more times and can see what you see in Michelle, she probably IS thinking WTF in the beginning, but from the very beginning I see Laura swaying with him and I never saw her give him a WTF look, ever. I see the officer opposite George, bopping his hands similar to him. I do see Michelle and Barack smiling and singing with him and Barack swaying with him momentarily and Michelle lean in with him and give a big smile. She seemed to soften her WTF look after that and enjoy the moment with him. When that upbeat part of the music changed, George stood still. No one was as animated as he was, to be sure, but I just didn't see it the way you did, I'm not the only one to see it that way, and it doesn't make me ridiculous. We don't see it the same way, and that's okay.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 14, 2016 1:12:33 GMT
It shows Michelle giving him a pained-looking smile. Of course we will never know exactly what was going on in all their heads at the time. And as I said above, I don't have any serious problem with Pres. Bush's actions. But your insistence that the Obamas were doing the same thing he was and enjoying it/encouraging him*** ... is just slightly the other side of ridiculous. ***but also being given a pass by the bigoted liberals on this thread, even as they attack poor Pres. Bush ... As I said to Peano when she said I need to take a closer look at the video, I had taken a closer look, I watched it several times and did not see what you see. So I watched it a few more times and can see what you see in Michelle, she probably IS thinking WTF in the beginning, but from the very beginning I see Laura swaying with him and I never saw her give him a WTF look, ever. I see the officer opposite George, bopping his hands similar to him. I do see Michelle and Barack smiling and singing with him and Barack swaying with him, momentarily and Michelle lean in with him and give a big smile. She seemed to soften her WTF look after that and enjoy the moment with him. When that upbeat part of the music changed, George stood still. No one was as animated as he was, to be sure, but I just didn't see it the way you did, I'm not the only one to see it that way, and it doesn't make me ridiculous. We don't see it the same way, and that's okay. If all you'd said in the first place had been that you saw the video differently, I wouldn't have thought twice about your post. It was the statement that everyone was giving the Obamas a pass for the same behavior that was so frickin' annoying. Now you may have the last word if you'd like it. I'm done.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 14, 2016 1:15:52 GMT
It shows Michelle giving him a pained-looking smile. Of course we will never know exactly what was going on in all their heads at the time. And as I said above, I don't have any serious problem with Pres. Bush's actions. But your insistence that the Obamas were doing the same thing he was and enjoying it/encouraging him*** ... is just slightly the other side of ridiculous. ***but also being given a pass by the bigoted liberals on this thread, even as they attack poor Pres. Bush ... As I said to Peano when she said I need to take a closer look at the video, I had taken a closer look, I watched it several times and did not see what you see. So I watched it a few more times and can see what you see in Michelle, she probably IS thinking WTF in the beginning, but from the very beginning I see Laura swaying with him and I never saw her give him a WTF look, ever. I see the officer opposite George, bopping his hands similar to him. I do see Michelle and Barack smiling and singing with him and Barack swaying with him momentarily and Michelle lean in with him and give a big smile. She seemed to soften her WTF look after that and enjoy the moment with him. When that upbeat part of the music changed, George stood still. No one was as animated as he was, to be sure, but I just didn't see it the way you did, I'm not the only one to see it that way, and it doesn't make me ridiculous. We don't see it the same way, and that's okay. Good Lordy @mytnice, you are an enigma .
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Post by Jili on Jul 14, 2016 1:17:03 GMT
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this is an assessment that some will come to, but it seems absolutely clear to me that President and Michelle Obama are merely reacting to what President Bush is doing. I'm not sure they had a choice given the situation. To me they look appropriately uncomfortable with what is happening. This is pretty much my take on it, too. Yes, as others have commented, President Obama can do as he likes--but can you imagine the shitstorm that would result if he somehow publicly chastised or tried to stop something that a former President was doing? I think they reacted in an appropriate manner given the situation. I don't think Bush was drunk or intended to be inappropriate in any way. I tend to think of him as just a little awkward sometimes, and I think that this was one of those moments. He got caught up in the music and the moment. No big deal in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by imkat on Jul 14, 2016 1:17:14 GMT
It was very weird. And awkward for Michelle Obama (and Laura Bush too).
It kind of reminded me of the awkwardness on stage with Joe Biden and Ash Carter's wife -- trapped on stage in an awkward situation.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 14, 2016 1:20:59 GMT
I wasn't able to see the service in it's entirety. I've seen the little clip and he certainly seems a bit more exuberant than is fitting for the occasion - but as I've been to many, many services that were down right raucous, I'm not sure whether it was at a point in the service where it was more uplifting than somber (as I said I didn't watch in its entirety). It doesn't help that he has a face that tends to look goofy without trying. I do think this is a bit of a mountain out of a molehill. It reminds me of the flack President Obama received during Nelson Mandela's funeral when he was having a light hearted moment with one of the other attendees, taking selfies etc. I think how one views these pictures reflect a lot on one's already formed opinion of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 1:23:13 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the chorus of that song supposed to be a joyful praise?
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.
The service may have been a memorial service, but in almost every memorial that I have been in, there are messages of joy and hope.
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Post by eleezybeth on Jul 14, 2016 1:26:41 GMT
Really, really surprised that anybody (!!!) thinks that GW's behavior was even remotely acceptable. If you can honestly tell me that if Obama had done the same awkward, completely inappropriate dance you'd be okay... maybe, maybe I'd believe you. I'd never trust you again, but I'd believe you.
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Post by katiekaty on Jul 14, 2016 1:41:06 GMT
I thought GWB made a good speech. And I didn't think he was foolish or whatever during the song. He looked relaxed and seemed to enjoy the music and he wasn't the only one swaying, there were others up there too. Michelle didn't look embarrassed or repulsed either. If you thought she did, that just another opinion. I just surprised no one commented on how bad Obama's speech was in relation to this memorial-now that would have been something for her to be embarrassed about!
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Post by paget on Jul 14, 2016 2:32:59 GMT
Finally watched the video and was expecting something much worse/dramatic from all the comments. Shouldn't have been surprised since there is so much bush hate. I thought he just looked caught up in the music and it is a rousing song. It was a little odd just in the fact that so much attention would be called to you standing in front but I guess he was going with what he felt. It was an honest moment and I appreciate that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 2:35:10 GMT
e isn't the Commander In Chief anymore, would it have been appropriate for him to do so? No
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 2:56:36 GMT
I think the obamas had 3 choices: - kick their heels up and join in - glare at him and make him feel like an inappropriate idiot (can you imagine the comments if they did that) - something in the middle where they embarrassingly play along while at the same time thinking, please make this stop. This is the version I saw. I think they made the best of an awkward situation.
I also think short of Michelle dropping his hand (again looking rude), she was basically dragged into having to react somehow because she was physically attached to him.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jul 14, 2016 3:14:30 GMT
I've mentioned before that I have moderate face blindness. Blasted nuisance, usually. Yesterday, my father and I tuned in during the middle of the president's speech. When the song started, my (macular-degenerated) father asked who all the people to the left of the Obamas were. Me: "Um...maybe the mayor of Dallas? A Texas senator? THEN we both commented on the odd behavior of one Unidentified Man. And I kept up a patter about how Mrs. Obama looked like she was going along with this guy to be polite...Too bad she's stuck holding his hand...Oh, look, her husband has swooped in to help her now...Poor him...OH! I THINK THAT DANCING MAN MIGHT BE GEORGE BUSH! In my life, I have often been mightily inconvenienced (and horribly embarrassed) by my face blindness, but I never thought I would ever use it as evidence that I didn't employ some form of knee-jerk-liberal-confirmation-bias when watching Mr. Bush boogie.
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Post by peasapie on Jul 14, 2016 3:21:47 GMT
I wondered the same thing. And before that, when the color guard came in, everyone saluted except him. He just stood there sort of rocking in his shoes. He isn't the Commander In Chief anymore, would it have been appropriate for him to do so? I'm sorry. I used the wrong word. I didn't mean salute like hand to head. I meant when you put your hand over your heart to salute the flag.
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Post by oaksong on Jul 14, 2016 3:36:27 GMT
I wasn't a Pea during the Bush years. Looks like I missed some good times...
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Post by anonrefugee on Jul 14, 2016 4:14:19 GMT
He isn't the Commander In Chief anymore, would it have been appropriate for him to do so? I'm sorry. I used the wrong word. I didn't mean salute like hand to head. I meant when you put your hand over your heart to salute the flag. Isn't this a personal choice, not a rule? Not being snarky, enlighten me.
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Post by used2scrap on Jul 14, 2016 4:54:27 GMT
I'm sorry. I used the wrong word. I didn't mean salute like hand to head. I meant when you put your hand over your heart to salute the flag. Isn't this a personal choice, not a rule? Not being snarky, enlighten me. Parading and Saluting the Flag When carried in a procession, the flag should be to the right of the marchers. When other flags are carried, the flag of the United States may be centered in front of the others or carried to their right. When the flag passes in a procession, or when it is hoisted or lowered, all should face the flag and salute. The Salute To salute, all persons come to attention. Those in uniform give the appropriate formal salute. Citizens not in uniform salute by placing their right hand over the heart and men with head cover should remove it and hold it to left shoulder, hand over the heart. Members of organizations in formation salute upon command of the person in charge. usflag.org
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Post by inkedup on Jul 14, 2016 6:01:28 GMT
Proof positive that we Americans can make *anything* into a partisan issue.
I was no fan of GWB when he was president, but I find the criticism of his behavior incredibly petty. I find the criticism of the President and First Lady equally petty.
I think Bush was caught up in the moment and won't judge him for that.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jul 14, 2016 6:16:00 GMT
Hopefully he will cringe when he watches the video. If he has enough self awareness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 6:54:42 GMT
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who saw it that way.
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