iowgirl
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 5, 2016 21:16:56 GMT
Took one of my kids to the oral surgeon to get some wisdom teeth pulled the other day. My "kid" is 20.
I was along for two reasons. To pay, and to drive him home. We cover all their medical expenses until they graduate from college.
He set the appointment up, after our dentist recommended having them pulled.
He led the way into the office. He met the receptionist and filled out all the paper work. He told her I was his driver when she asked. I filled out that part of the form and wrote the check when it was done...
There were 3 other "kids" there. Two were 19, and one was 21. I could hear them tell the receptionist when she asked. All of them did what their Mom told them. Mom filled out all the paper work, and one even picked out the "kid's" magazines to read. One went back during the procedure (much to the "kids" displeasure).
No wonder there are so many kids that just can't seem to get their shit together - Mom does it all!
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Post by flanz on Aug 5, 2016 21:24:49 GMT
I've always thought of helicopter parenting as a form of child abuse.
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zookeeper
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Post by zookeeper on Aug 5, 2016 21:26:57 GMT
I am in total agreement with you! Our job as a parent is to prepare our children for the adult world. They must be able to navigate an airport, make appointments, fill out paperwork, get their oil changed, etc.
This is why I have residents to that come into my office and don't know how to do the simplest of things. I always wonder how they will manage to survive life.
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Post by myboysnme on Aug 5, 2016 21:30:23 GMT
My grown kids always wanted me to do it if I was there, but if I wasn't they can function just fine.
Around age 20 they just took the paperwork themselves. Sometimes they would ask me things but they filled it out.
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on Aug 5, 2016 21:39:18 GMT
Much smaller scale, but the wings are spreading in our house this summer. ODS turned 16 in February. He has his first car, found his first job, and has started making his own appointments for haircuts, and for follow ups with the ortho and dermatologist. He knows his work and marching band schedules better than we do and has them on his phone's calendar. He can see our family calendar and set them up. We go when he has an appointment, but most of the time, we are in the waiting room until the very end. He even called and handled an emergency visit with the ortho when a bracket popped off early this summer. He's really grown this summer.
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Post by eleezybeth on Aug 5, 2016 21:42:07 GMT
Meh, I'm a successful adult with 3 children. My bills are all mine, and they are paid. I have 2 college degrees and a lovely husband. But when I was 18 and my wisdom teeth were pulled my mom made the appointment, and completed the form. Not because I couldn't but because she could. I went off to college at 17 and managed just fine. So, the judgement is lovely but you are making some pretty grand assumptions based on your very limited view of their lives.
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Post by Sam on Aug 5, 2016 21:43:34 GMT
I agree - kids should be taught how to transition into adulthood both by parents and schools. Your example is not new - I worked in a bank and had a stint on Student Banking almost 20 years ago. Some snivelling, snot nosed brat walked in for a student account and his Mummy took exception to me asking him for his ID and paperwork...because, hey, why would you need that to PROVE you are eligible for something? Not only did she berate me in front of everyone else in the bank, she demanded to see my manager - who told her we needed the ID and paperwork. So, to be honest, if Mom just fills out paperwork and babysits her little adult brats, it wouldn't worry me at all. I'd just sit there and roll my eyes at how hard she is making her life and thank my lucky stars I had reared intelligent, independent kids.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 5, 2016 21:45:32 GMT
Ummm...I sometimes feel like the worst mom in the world. My boy had his wisdom teeth out at 17 and my mom took him. Drove him home too-to her house-where he stayed for three days before coming home. (in my defense, my parents are in the medical field and since the boy had all four of his wisdom teeth out, I felt like they were the ones most capable of handling an emergent situation if one arose as well as pros at dispensing medications.) That meant though that he had to fill out all the paper work. He called me about something he couldn't remember, but he did the rest. My mom sort of monitored as she is familiar with his medical history. I presigned the parts that gave consent, but the rest was all him. And no way my mom was in there to monitor a thing. My younger one (who was two months shy of 18) was irritated that the pediatrician required me to be there for his last physical (only in the room to consent for the physical.) He let me fill out the paperwork in protest. I, of course, got him back by asking him ALL the sexual history questions while we were in the waiting room.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 21:53:14 GMT
Well, I can assure you that my DH and I have let our 20 year old grow up (he just moved into his 1st apartment earlier this week) but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to accompany him to any medical appointments he may want me to come along....like this morning's appointment at the eye surgeon who he has been seeing the last couple of week about a bad eye infection and that they most likely will dilate his eyes so driving home might be difficult.
I find that sometimes not all is what it may appear to be.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 5, 2016 22:01:09 GMT
I've always thought of helicopter parenting as a form of child abuse. This! I always say this same thing. Not letting a kid grow up and learn is serious abuse.
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Post by arrow on Aug 5, 2016 22:06:27 GMT
My grown kids always wanted me to do it if I was there, but if I wasn't they can function just fine. Around age 20 they just took the paperwork themselves. Sometimes they would ask me things but they filled it out. My youngest DD22 is like that. Laziness I think .
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 5, 2016 22:21:47 GMT
Meh, I'm a successful adult with 3 children. My bills are all mine, and they are paid. I have 2 college degrees and a lovely husband. But when I was 18 and my wisdom teeth were pulled my mom made the appointment, and completed the form. Not because I couldn't but because she could. I went off to college at 17 and managed just fine. So, the judgement is lovely but you are making some pretty grand assumptions based on your very limited view of their lives. Agree. I do agree that kids these days aren't given opportunities to learn from their mistakes. And that parents are often too eager to smooth the road from life's disappointments. But surgery, even a minor procedure, makes us feel vulnerable. I had my wisdom teeth out at 40 and DH was there with me. I know he took the post op instructions, as I was still in and out of consciousness when it was discussed. And I was grateful for the help. DS messed up some paperwork last year at school and it was going to be another $200. And I was the one on the phone who had to fix it because the insurance company didn't want to talk to him. When he was at the optometrist last week, he wrote out the paperwork, but I sat right next to him and read the forms along with him. If that makes me the driver of the helicopter, so be it.
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Post by Jili on Aug 5, 2016 22:26:33 GMT
Well, I'm that mom who took her dd to the oral surgeon when it was time to have her wisdom teeth out. Heck, I made the appointment, too, since I was accompanying her and my schedule was less flexible than hers at the time. It needed to happen at my convenience. I honestly don't remember any paperwork (it was a few years ago-- and I'd gone with her to the initial consult/intake appointment). I needed to learn about the aftercare, get her to the car, and take her home. I even went back to the room with her when they called her. A different surgeon was doing the procedure because of a scheduling issue, and we hadn't met him yet. I wanted to meet the person who would be putting my daughter under anesthesia. My dd was quite nervous about the procedure and it would not have occurred to me to not go with her for this one. It was a bigger deal than any medical appointment she'd ever had previously. She does go to appointments completely on her own at this point (two years later). Like anything else, it's a process, and she's gradually assumed responsibility for most adult tasks with some guidance as needed. I want her to be responsible for herself, but I'm there if she needs me or wants the benefit of my experience. Though I did not choose a magazine for her in the waiting room, I did help with aftercare and fussed over her a fair amount afterward.
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Post by craftsbycarolyn on Aug 5, 2016 23:05:14 GMT
I don't understand how you think this is helicoptering. My "kids" are 40, 36 and 32. If any one of them wanted me to go to a doctor appointment with them, I would and I have. I've went to grandkids appointments with them. Sometimes it helps to have another adult there.
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 5, 2016 23:22:15 GMT
I don't understand how you think this is helicoptering. My "kids" are 40, 36 and 32. If any one of them wanted me to go to a doctor appointment with them, I would and I have. I've went to grandkids appointments with them. Sometimes it helps to have another adult there. Maybe I read what the OP said incorrectly, but I thought she was saying she went with her own kid. It was the other mother who was babying (her opinion) her children.
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Post by raindancer on Aug 5, 2016 23:25:38 GMT
Well, I'm that mom who took her dd to the oral surgeon when it was time to have her wisdom teeth out. Heck, I made the appointment, too, since I was accompanying her and my schedule was less flexible than hers at the time. It needed to happen at my convenience. I honestly don't remember any paperwork (it was a few years ago-- and I'd gone with her to the initial consult/intake appointment). I needed to learn about the aftercare, get her to the car, and take her home. I even went back to the room with her when they called her. A different surgeon was doing the procedure because of a scheduling issue, and we hadn't met him yet. I wanted to meet the person who would be putting my daughter under anesthesia. My dd was quite nervous about the procedure and it would not have occurred to me to not go with her for this one. It was a bigger deal than any medical appointment she'd ever had previously. She does go to appointments completely on her own at this point (two years later). Like anything else, it's a process, and she's gradually assumed responsibility for most adult tasks with some guidance as needed. I want her to be responsible for herself, but I'm there if she needs me or wants the benefit of my experience. Though I did not choose a magazine for her in the waiting room, I did help with aftercare and fussed over her a fair amount afterward. Besides the level of judgment that the OP is leveling without any real information, this is GOOD. Everyone should have an advocate with them for a medical procedure. If that's your mom or your sister or your spouse, it matters. You should go with them as far as you are allowed. You should ask questions, meet the surgeon, see the clinic or hospital. And form filling.. It's not something you need to learn how to do... if they can read and write it's pretry self explanatory. I fill out dh paperwork because I like to fill in forms.
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 5, 2016 23:29:31 GMT
I don't understand how you think this is helicoptering. My "kids" are 40, 36 and 32. If any one of them wanted me to go to a doctor appointment with them, I would and I have. I've went to grandkids appointments with them. Sometimes it helps to have another adult there. The parents being there isn't the "helicopter" part, after all SHE was there with her kid. It's the moms taking the lead once there. Checking kids in, answering questions and filling out the paperwork is what she finds helicoptering. Before leaving for college at 17 my dad took me to get some shots I needed at my childhood pediatrician. I asked him to go back with me. At one point I discussed my reoccuring bladder infections. The pediatrician said to me, "So does it hurt when you wee-wee". And at that *moment I realized I would never be viewed as the adult I was becoming as long as I had daddy in tow. I left college after semester and even though I moved home I took control of my medical needs from then on out, starting by finding a dr who recognized I wasn't 5. My mom did go to drive me home from getting my wisdom teeth out and my parents stepped in when I was hospitalized for a month with serious injuries after a car accident. After I was married I broke my foot and my dad drove me to my appointments but with those exceptions I scheduled, attended and paid for all appointments myself. (Ok, not Pap smears, I had my first at 16 for irregular bleeding and I passed out mid exam so until very recently I required DH or my Sister in law to hold my hand during the exams. Go ahead laugh).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 23:31:37 GMT
Meh, my baby is over 40, a great dad, husband, friend, manager, etc. Still, I would gladly accompany him or any of his family anywhere/anyway they wished, your opinion notwithstanding.
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Post by Zee on Aug 5, 2016 23:32:37 GMT
I enjoyed this because my mom came with when I got mine removed. They didn't become a problem until I was 28 years old and had two kids, so I was much older for someone having their wisdom teeth removed, but I needed a ride so mom was there!
She didn't fill out my papers or pay, though. She took me through the drive-thru for a shake and babysat while I slept off the rest of the anesthesia until DH got home.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 23:35:47 GMT
I took my son for his wisdom teeth out, and even filled out the paperwork. He was freaking out because his stupid clarinet teacher told him a few days before that they broke through into her sinuses and she couldn't play for six months. Okay, she's not really stupid, but I was wicked annoyed. My son made me laugh so hard all the way home with his post-anesthesia blabbering.
I take my mom to all her doctor appointments. I answer all my daughter's questions about finding new doctors, dentist, hairdresser, insurance, and all those things that a 21-year old with a new job and new apartment across the country needs to know to settle in. I took my husband to 5 doctor appointments a week in Boston for two years when he was sick. I kept notebooks for him on what the doctors said -- it was all very confusing and we didn't always hear the same thing.
I figure that's one of the ways I keep the family rolling. The kids will do just fine on their own. I'm not worried about their independence at all.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 5, 2016 23:41:14 GMT
I wouldn't worry too much about how other people live their lives, particularly for things that don't impact you. Take off your judgey pants and you do you and let others do them. (Signed, mom whose kid knows how to fill out his own paperwork, but still wants a parent there for major medical procedures)
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 5, 2016 23:41:25 GMT
The parents being there isn't the "helicopter" part, after all SHE was there with her kid. It's the moms taking the lead once there. Checking kids in, answering questions and filling out the paperwork is what she finds helicoptering. Oh gosh, that is exactly how I interpreted it too. I absolutely agree that there are many, many occasions that it is appropriate and recommended that you have someone attend various appointments with you. It's the doing it FOR them as opposed to WITH them part that is problematic to me.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 5, 2016 23:46:24 GMT
The parents being there isn't the "helicopter" part, after all SHE was there with her kid. It's the moms taking the lead once there. Checking kids in, answering questions and filling out the paperwork is what she finds helicoptering. Oh gosh, that is exactly how I interpreted it too. I absolutely agree that there are many, many occasions that it is appropriate and recommended that you have someone attend various appointments with you. It's the doing it FOR them as opposed to WITH them part that is problematic to me. Why is this little snippet of someone else's life problematic for YOU? Maybe the kid was nervous as hell and his mom was taking one thing off his plate. Maybe they just wanted to get through the paperwork as quickly as possible. You (generic you) have no idea what these kids can and can't do it why their parent might be helping them out at that moment.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 5, 2016 23:53:25 GMT
I have a kid with a cognitive disability, ADHD, anxiety, and looks "normal". She is very smart, has a big vocabulary, and she is incredibly immature at a dentist's office because she is scared. I fill out the forms and I may give her a Highlights magazine because she likes them and it calms her down.
Yet, this week she managed to contact customer service about a 3DS game that doesn't work. She got a replacement game sent to her in the mail. She talked on a phone in order to get this resolved! There are many adult peas on this board that refuse to talk on one unless it's a dire emergency.
So yeah, I guess their parents suck because they appeared to be normal functioning adults.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 6, 2016 0:00:37 GMT
Oh gosh, that is exactly how I interpreted it too. I absolutely agree that there are many, many occasions that it is appropriate and recommended that you have someone attend various appointments with you. It's the doing it FOR them as opposed to WITH them part that is problematic to me. Why is this little snippet of someone else's life problematic for YOU? Maybe the kid was nervous as hell and his mom was taking one thing off his plate. Maybe they just wanted to get through the paperwork as quickly as possible. You (generic you) have no idea what these kids can and can't do it why their parent might be helping them out at that moment. Probably because I have been hanging out with teenagers a lot over the last couple of years and I see the difference between the kids that have parents who do every thing for them vs. the ones who don't. I don't always know the specifics of every interaction I see, but I do think that it is easy to see which parents are helping out to help out and which parents are doing it for them because they think for whatever reason the kid can't or won't do it themselves.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Aug 6, 2016 0:02:29 GMT
What is it called, when it's role reversal? I accompany my Senior Citizen Mother to the Doctor or Emergency Room, when she is having a major issue(surgery) or severe illness. Sometimes she behaves worse than a two year old. I attend, because she doesn't always tell the whole story(only hears, what she wants to hear or only gives them the info she wants them to know) and/or she is too sick(severe bronchitis) to comprehend the instructions, or simply doesn't want to do the at home care (breathing treatment, inhaler, lots of fluids, etc...) as ordered, so she will say there were no at home - follow up instructions. Cranky, grumpy patient, she is!
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 6, 2016 0:04:23 GMT
Meh, my baby is over 40, a great dad, husband, friend, manager, etc. Still, I would gladly accompany him or any of his family anywhere/anyway they wished, your opinion notwithstanding. Did people actually *read* the OP. Her issue wasn't with them being accompanied... *she* accompanied *her* child, as well. Would you fill out your 40 year olds paperwork, check him in, give him instructions?
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 6, 2016 0:04:48 GMT
My recent highschool grad filled out paperwork, drove himself to his new, adult physician, then to the lab, blah blah blah. And had the the dr call me with the results. lol
But I can't get too smug. The man child is in perfect health. If he had an issue, even a sports injury, one of us would probably go. He doesn't have enough experience to finesse insurance paperwork. I know I paid more upfront at times than I should have because I didn't know better. There's no shame in being taught as it happens. I like what you said @iowa57girl.
I once heard a woman be snarky about both dads and moms attending pediatric appointments. Her premise was the moms couldn't handle it alone. Another view could be her DH wasn't interested enough. I'm not saying that's the case. But you can make judgements about any situation and twist it to match your belief.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 6, 2016 0:09:30 GMT
Did people actually *read* the OP. Her issue wasn't with them being accompanied... *she* accompanied *her* child, as well. Would you fill out your 40 year olds paperwork, check him in, give him instructions? She also pays her adult child's medical bills. That's acceptable, but filling out paperwork is not? I know this is something many parents do (paying bills for their child), I just find it odd that filling out medical forms crosses the line of not being "responsible".
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Aug 6, 2016 0:09:36 GMT
One of my boys is 21 and has cognitive and intellectual disabilities and most people don't realize it.
I assets him with forms, make the appointment and sit in on any discussions or procedures.
I am sure when others see me they feel I'm a helicopter mom too!
I have guardianship of him and many times I have to tell doctors look he doesn't have authority to sign off on stuff and I need to be in on conversations you have.
I have another son with some learning/reading/ comprehensive disabilities and I would certainly asset him as well. He wouldn't feel comfortable doing it on his own.
Sometimes what you may perceive as a helicopter mom isn't that at all!
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