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Post by miominmio on Oct 12, 2016 5:34:19 GMT
However, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question, are the women who claim they were raped or abused by Hillary's husband bimbos or whores as she claims they are? Do they deserve to be called such by her? Someone claiming rape is quite different than someone having an affair. Your initial comment, and my reply to it, was referring to giving/receiving oral sex, not rape. In quoting my reply and harping on it, you are desperately attempting to equate sex during an affair to the act of rape, and reasonable people cannot and do not make that equation. SaveThis!
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Oct 12, 2016 5:34:32 GMT
OK, thanks. Personally, I don't think the woman should be called a "whore" in either event but we have a difference of opinion on that. My point, and it's not being made very clearly obviously is that Hillary has called the women who claim to have been raped by her husband "whores" and "bimbos". No, rape is not the equivalent of an affair but in both instances, the man is being given a "pass". Seems an odd position for people who claim that women need to be shown more respect to take. I'm off to bed. Have a good night. If you wanted to talk about rape accusations/rape accusers, then why pull a post that was quite obviously about married people having affairs? ? It was even in reply to your post that was about a married man getting a blow job, not about a rape or someone who is accusing someone of rape. Save
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 12, 2016 5:59:47 GMT
Meanwhile, she stays with the cheater...you know, the one who made the vows to her. The one who broke the vows to her. the one who couldn't keep it in his pants. But oh yeah, the woman who knew he was married is a whore. Oh don't worry there are names for him, too. I haven't read many of the replies but this is not a gray area for me. Participating in an affair is wrong. Period. No excuses. And before anyone calls me judgmental, I also believe in grace, forgiveness & healing.
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 12, 2016 6:03:35 GMT
Woops I neglected to answer the question. No. Nor will I. Ever.
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Post by scrapaddie on Oct 12, 2016 6:35:33 GMT
Lauren what happened to your big announcement that you were staying off political threads? this is a political thread? I thought it was about women who have affairs. I, for the record, have not, but my ex dh did and my anger was directed at him. I felt sorry for her husband and children
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 12, 2016 6:38:24 GMT
However, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question, are the women who claim they were raped or abused by Hillary's husband bimbos or whores as she claims they are? Do they deserve to be called such by her? I'll take a stab at this one. Subject of rape or sexual assault = Victim Willing participant in affair, whether male or female, the married party or not = potential bimbo
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Post by miominmio on Oct 12, 2016 6:39:24 GMT
Lauren what happened to your big announcement that you were staying off political threads? this is a political thread? I thought it was about women who have affairs. I, for the record, have not, but my ex dh did and my anger was directed at him. I felt sorry for her husband and children When she starts the thread only for having a go at the Clinton family? Yes, it's political.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 7:40:37 GMT
Didn't you start a thread a few months ago stating that you don't owe anyone here an explanation of your words/you don't have to engage if you don't want to or something along those lines? Seems a bit hypocritical to start a call out thread!
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Post by joelise on Oct 12, 2016 8:04:04 GMT
This thread is very confusing!
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Post by carhoch on Oct 12, 2016 9:13:47 GMT
I've never had an affair. Never been tempted. I have no issue with a woman whose husband cheated on her calling the other woman any damn thing she wants
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Post by peasapie on Oct 12, 2016 10:02:58 GMT
Let's say that's true. It would seem then that Hillary lives in a glass house and should not be throwing stones at Trump about what he says in a locker room because she's said far worse things about the women abused by her husband. She is trying to take the moral high ground here when in reality, she's right in the swamp with Trump. Wouldn't you agree? This is a false equivalency. You're comparing the words used by a woman hurt and angry over a husband's affair vs a predator's language. Yes, language is the common denominator, but the issue is not the language but the associated behavior. He bragged about assaulting women. This sort of fake logic is very typical of the Trump campaign. May I ask for a link to whatever she is supposed to have said? I usually avoid these political threads but didn't realize this one was another Trump v Clinton until I started reading. I could change my mind if she said something about abused women as opposed to those willingly engaging in a marital affair.
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Post by cade387 on Oct 12, 2016 10:15:59 GMT
Let's say that's true. It would seem then that Hillary lives in a glass house and should not be throwing stones at Trump about what he says in a locker room because she's said far worse things about the women abused by her husband. She is trying to take the moral high ground here when in reality, she's right in the swamp with Trump. Wouldn't you agree? When Hilary talks about how she sexually assaulted one of those women then it would be the same thing. They both used words- she spoke out of anger and Trump admitted to sexually assaulting women (and this isn't the only instance). So while he was admitting to a crime she wasn't. So no, not "far worse" in my book.
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Post by cade387 on Oct 12, 2016 10:19:04 GMT
Maybe she should hire a special prosecutor to look into him if she wins. Because he has had all these "exceptions" and all. Then he could go to jail for crimes he actually committed.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Oct 12, 2016 10:49:17 GMT
I haven't read that HC even called *all* women who have affairs with married men names. AFAIK, she, in private conversation(s), was not very complementary when speaking about the women who had affairs with her husband. (Not sure she used the words "whores and bimbos" during these private conversations, but even if she did, it doesn't bother me.)
If, and I haven't ever read differently, she kept her name-calling to only those who carried on with her husband (who deserves to be called a few things himself), and only to private conversations, then I think she was pretty even-keeled about it, frankly.
And no one here is giving the males a pass. That's just ridiculous. Saying we'd call women who are having affairs with (ETA married) men names does NOT mean we wouldn't also have a few choice words to say about/to the men, as well. No one even suggested giving the men a pass and, in fact, any post that mentioned men was quite clear that they (the men) were also sleazebags.
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Post by Really Red on Oct 12, 2016 11:11:02 GMT
I would never - never ever ever - call another woman a whore. My XH had an affair and I can promise you, the only person I put blame on was him. She never ever entered my mind as someone at fault. It is never right to call someone that name. FWIW, I didn't even call my husband a bad name. He threw away his family and his life and I felt sorry for him at all times. Sometimes I felt sorry for me, but mostly I felt and still feel so sorry for him. I don't care who you are, it's not okay to call someone that, and certainly not when the blame is on the person doing the cheating. FWIW, I cannot understand cheating in this day and age. What is the point? No shame in divorce. Move on if you have to. ETA: In no way, shape or form can calling a woman a whore or a bimbo be equated with the horrible things Donald Trump said. If anyone implied or even stated that, I have no qualms in calling that person an idiot. It can also not be equated with Donald Trump lashing out like a spoiled brat and calling women names. If a woman calls the person who her husband cheated with a whore or a bimbo I think they are totally wrong and have misplaced anger, but there is some rationale to it. Not just calling someone fat (which is purely shameful and I think you of all people should know that, ~Lauren~ ) because you disagree with them and are apparently completely unable to respond to someone without calling them a name.
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Post by YooHoot on Oct 12, 2016 11:17:27 GMT
The difference to me is Trump said that about all women simply to assert his authority, Hilary's were directed at someone in anger. Two completely different situations to me.
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Post by JustTricia on Oct 12, 2016 11:37:01 GMT
To answer the question from the thread title and original OP (since you changed the question later in the thread), from Merriam-Webster's website:
Definition of whore 1 : a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : prostitute; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
So, by using the second part of the definition after the word "also", it seems the word whore is actually the correct term.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 12, 2016 12:26:53 GMT
So, when exactly did Hillary make these comments in question and regarding who? I have heard that they were in reference to Monica but then also have heard they were about someone else. My response to what she said would be different depending on the context. However, I also think that hearing that someone is accusing your husband or close family member of sexual assault is going to elicit a response of disbelief, at least initially. Add to it the fact that your husband is in the public eye and presumably more likely to be falsely accused.
As for a woman calling the woman that her partner had an affair with names...IMO there are many reasons for this.
*he wife typically has no relationship with this woman, for sure not in the same way that she does with her husband. There is no positive history or connection there to soften the negative thoughts that she has of the person. Kind of like when two people post something really stupid/racist/sexist on Facebook. If one is a stranger I am more likely to see them simply as a reflection of that post, as opposed to my favorite aunt who posts the same thing. I would have a negative reaction to her posting the same thing, but I have more to base her on that that one post. There are also more opportunities for me to see her in other ways after the post, but not the stranger.
*if the couple is trying to make their relationship work (which could be for a variety of reasons) at some point she has to work on re-connecting with her husband. It doesn't mean she has given him a pass, but maybe her anger at him is shown in different ways.
*I do think that we have some gender role expectations that come into play as well--women are supposed to be loyal and to know how it feels for women to be cheated on. It is seen as a betrayal for them to have sex with or take someone else's man. Men are also seen as more likely to cheat.
That being said, if a woman cheated on her husband I have a feeling the man would have some strong feelings for the other man as well, and most, if not all, of my post could still be applicable.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 12, 2016 12:54:43 GMT
And for the third time (or is it the 4th ) t I've been waiting for a few weeks now to get an answer on facts of what Hillary supposedly did or said to these women. And you were answered by TheOtherMeg
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Post by seikashaven on Oct 12, 2016 12:56:34 GMT
I don't think women who choose to reconcile with a cheating spouse are giving their wayward partners a "pass" and overlooking their behaviour. I think reconciliation and forgiveness are hard and often brave actions. When partners reconcile after infidelity it's because there was something to lose and something to fight for.
There's nothing to fight for or rescue with the "other woman". She is a safe person to dispel anger and dismay towards. Sure, she didn't break vows to you but she did participate in a betrayal towards you.
I think most of us can logically understand that our spouses are truly the ones to blame, but most people also understand the emotional reaction to blame the other woman. Do I think calling other women whores is awesome? No. But I GET it and I understand the desire to lash out at someone participating in a hurtful act against you.
Hilary was wronged by her husband. He broke their marital vows multiple times and I'm sure that caused her tremendous pain. For whatever reason, they decided reconciliation was the right choice for them. If she still had anger towards the situation and called the other women names in a private conversation with a friend then I think that makes her flawed and human.
The problem isn't "all demeaning words are bad". Context is hugely important.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Oct 12, 2016 13:02:44 GMT
Lauren what happened to your big announcement that you were staying off political threads? this is a political thread? I thought it was about women who have affairs. I, for the record, have not, but my ex dh did and my anger was directed at him. I felt sorry for her husband and children Exactly how hard do you have to squint to not see this as a political thread?
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Post by pierkiss on Oct 12, 2016 13:11:22 GMT
Never had an affair. If I cheated on my husband, with another married man (or hell, even a guy whose got another girlfriend), I would fully expect to be called every name in the book by both my husband and the other woman when they found out.
And to be sure, if my husband cheated on me, I would have some choice words for both my husband and the other woman.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 13:49:36 GMT
If I were to cheat with a married man, and I knew he was married, I then run the risk of being called a sinner, a slut, a whore, a bimbo, an adulteress or any other name the wife or anyone for that matter, wants to call me. If I don't want to be called those names, then I stay away from married men.
If the wife wants to forgive her husband but still vilify me, that is her prerogative. She has more invested with her husband, especially if they have children. She most likely does not have any investment with me unless I happen to be her best friend or a relative.
In the case of the President and the First Lady, she is certainly in her rights to call and think of those women as sluts/whores or whatever she wants. I do too. I also think of her husband as a douchbag of the highest order. He's a bastard, scoundrel, adulterer, male whore and fucktard. But then, I am not married to him. I can't believe she forgave him and didn't divorce his cheating ass when it occurred. I think of the women he was involved with as whores.
Unless it comes out true that he raped or molested them. Has he ever been brought up on charges for that? Either way...he's still an ass. I know several of the women have alleged rape or assault charges. But I don't believe he was ever arrested or imprisoned for them, correct? If they were raped, then no, they are not deserving of a moniker such as slut or whore. But I have not seen him actually serving time for rape or sexual assault. It may have happened, but each of the cases were either dropped, or reached a monetary settlement. So there is no proof other than the women's word and Hillary is therefore allowed to think of them as whores if she so pleases.
Does that answer your question?
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Oct 12, 2016 13:53:25 GMT
Yes, thank you.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 12, 2016 14:08:23 GMT
Well if so, then according to "theOtherMeg" you are a whore and it's perfectly ok to call you one. Sorry ladies, you'll just have to take your lumps. She's calling it as it is and you deserve whatever you are called. And because I'm sure she isn't sexist, she must also mean that if you are a married woman who has an affair, you are also a whore. I've had coffee now and can respond. If you are a woman/married or not, knowingly and willingly having a sexual relationship with someone else's husband--yes, then absolutely a whore. I'd probably tell/confide in my girlfriends that too! My husband would called be all sorts of things too, but that wasn't your question.
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Post by secondlife on Oct 12, 2016 14:21:17 GMT
You know, it could be a very interesting thread in which we talk about fidelity, betrayal, and the way we use words that refer to people who do undeniably shitty things.
But it's hard to start that kind of introspective, thoughtful discussion when it starts as a call out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 14:34:02 GMT
Yep. And is a quote posted from a political thread but THIS thread is not about politics.
Good times.
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 12, 2016 14:43:51 GMT
I don't think women who choose to reconcile with a cheating spouse are giving their wayward partners a "pass" and overlooking their behaviour. I think reconciliation and forgiveness are hard and often brave actions. When partners reconcile after infidelity it's because there was something to lose and something to fight for. There's nothing to fight for or rescue with the "other woman". She is a safe person to dispel anger and dismay towards. Sure, she didn't break vows to you but she did participate in a betrayal towards you. I think most of us can logically understand that our spouses are truly the ones to blame, but most people also understand the emotional reaction to blame the other woman. Do I think calling other women whores is awesome? No. But I GET it and I understand the desire to lash out at someone participating in a hurtful act against you. Hilary was wronged by her husband. He broke their marital vows multiple times and I'm sure that caused her tremendous pain. For whatever reason, they decided reconciliation was the right choice for them. If she still had anger towards the situation and called the other women names in a private conversation with a friend then I think that makes her flawed and human. The problem isn't "all demeaning words are bad". Context is hugely important. Human nature - we all have it.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Oct 12, 2016 14:44:03 GMT
Actually, it's a misquote or, more precisely, an embellished quote, taken from another thread that started this thread.
And a callout. That, as it turns out, had nothing to do with what the OP actually wanted to talk about.
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Post by gryroagain on Oct 12, 2016 14:58:41 GMT
This thread is just..,crazy town.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a woman who would have only nice things to say about the woman her husband is cheating with. Or even any nice thing to say. But I'm pretty sure calling someone a trashy no-count two timing Jezebel bimbo strumpet is not really close to advocating sexual assault so I can't quite see where you are going with this. it's just deflection word salad, which is the modus operandi of the Trump apologists.
And no, I've never had an affair. Or advocated sexually assaulting anyone. I tend to think it's the latter that gives me the moral high ground here.
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