jayfab
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Post by jayfab on Oct 29, 2016 16:47:18 GMT
You know, I have been weighing my options and for me, Clinton is just out of the question. Trump was not my first, second, or third choice, but to be honest, if anyone has a chance of shaking up Washington, I think he does. I like his plan to introduce an Amendment for term limits. I think that would be awesome. I think that no traditional politician could ever get away with telling Ford that they would pay a heavy tariff if they want to ship cars back here that were manufactured in Mexico and stick with it. I really think he could pull that off.
I don't care that he's not a true Republican, as a matter of fact, I think that's great. Republicans need shaking up, IMO. He may not be a church-going Christian, but I remind you that it was Clinton's camp that said very derogatory things about Catholics. Trump seems to support people of faith and I've not heard anything he said that was condescending about Christians.
I was very deeply disturbed to read that Clinton and her camp felt it wouldn't be wise to mention her support for Israel because it's not popular with the left. Deeply disturbed. Trump's support of Israel is unmitigated. I know one of Clinton's big donors is the owner of Univision who is very pro-Israel while another one of her biggest donors (upwards of $25 million to get her elected) is an anti-Semite. When someone makes that kind of investment, I wonder how long she will be pro-Israel. The BDS movement is popular within the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, did you see the Palestinian flag front and center at the Democratic National Convention? I did and it bothered me a great deal.
People worry about Trump starting a war, but it was Clinton who interfered completely unnecessarily in the Middle East (Libya) and boy, did she make a mess out of that. It is Clinton who is pushing for a Syrian no-fly zone, which the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Dunford says would require war. "For us to control all of the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia." Russia has called it's students (and parents) to go back home. That is not a good sign. Frankly, I think Trump would be more likely to negotiate; I doubt if he wants to be known as the president who got us into a war with Russia. I imagine he is professional and business-like behind closed doors. If he wasn't he wouldn't be successful at all.
It was Clinton who pitted Americans against each other; by calling Trump supporters Deplorable and Irredeemable, she was giving her supporters the righteous mantle. A real leader isn't going to pit one group of Americans against another.
I detest the way the democrats play identity politics. It spills over into their everyday thinking. "Needy Latinos?" I sure didn't see any threads expressing racist outrage here. I think it sounds condescending and derogatory.
I was weighing my choices to vote non-Clinton and in the end, I have to go with the only one who has a small chance of defeating her November 8th.
You can certainly vote for whoever your heart desires. But your excuses/justifications are laughable. You CHOOSE to see/hear what you want to see/hear. I'm not even going to debunk your falsifications point by point because it would be a waste of time. SaveSave
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Post by pierogi on Oct 29, 2016 17:42:57 GMT
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Post by hollymolly on Oct 29, 2016 20:37:56 GMT
Even though. Because you know what he looks like in all situations? EXACTLY like the jerks in middle school who would call people "retards" and make spastic motions. Even though the person they were mocking wasn't disabled in anyway, those jerks were undeniably mocking the disabled. That's exactly what Trump is doing here. Even if the reporter target weren't actually disabled, he is still undoubtedly making fun of the disabled like a clueless, mean, bully 12 year old. I just realized that these are the exact same hand movements I made yesterday when I was talking to someone, while I was conveying an expression of panic and fright. (OMG! How afraid he was! -- waving arms erratically) You (and others here) see the jerks in middle school, because that is exactly what you want to see. I talk with my hands. I don't do it in a mocking way about another person, not even someone in a panic. What you described yourself doing is disrespectful and frankly, mean. If I had been in that conversation with you, BeckyTech, I would have thought a whole lot less of you and would limit my conversations with you in the future. No wonder you don't think he did anything wrong.
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cycworker
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Post by cycworker on Oct 29, 2016 20:38:14 GMT
Of course he's mocking them, but he did not mock the reporter's disability as has been stated time and again. He most certainly did.
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Post by BeckyTech on Oct 29, 2016 20:46:49 GMT
You don't sicken me. I don't think that Clinton voters are awful horrible people. Misguided and perhaps myopic, but they don't sicken me. Hillary does, but not her voters.
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Post by BeckyTech on Oct 29, 2016 21:24:06 GMT
Good lord, Becky. Where do you get this stuff? 1. The Palestinian flag was not flown at the DNC. If someone had it in the audience, well, it's a free country, right? The only flag flown at the DNC was the US one, and Fox's reports to the contrary were shown to be false and even retracted by their own reporters. 2. Please name the anti-Semite who is a major donor to the Clinton campaign. I'd really like to know so I can voice my displeasure to the campaign that they would take that money. 3. Neither the Democratic party platform nor Hillary's campaign supports BDS. You are MSU. 4. CLINTON interfered unnecessarily in the Middle East? Wow. Just wow. You must be younger than me, and if so, I'd like you to open your book to the chapter titled 1991, Bush starts a war in the Middle East. And then skip ahead to the chapter titled 2001, Another Bush starts a war in the Middle East that we are still fighting in various places, including Syria, 15 years later. I love how Republicans can take all their missteps of the past 25 years and the mess they've made, and lay it all squarely at the feet of one woman who has yet to actually be commander in chief. 5. You know as well as I do that she never referred to all Trump supporters as deplorable, and was referring to the segment of white nationalists who have vocally and openly stated their support for Trump. If you find those folks anything but deplorable, I don't know what to tell you. Calling out racism and hatred when you see it is not divisiveness, and if standing against those gives me a "righteous mantle," I'll wear it with pride. 6. "Needy Latinos" was Podesta, not Clinton. I agree that it was a poor choice of words. When Podesta or Clinton actually accuses those same Latinos of being rapists, murderers or incompetent jurists due to their ethnicity, you do let me know, OK? I'm not going to get into the weeds, but I never said the flag was flown BY the DNC. But when I turned on my TV and saw a couple of flags prominently displayed in the audience it really saddened me. I'm surprised that that panorama of the audience with those flags so prominently displayed only seemed to appear on my TV. The fact that BDS is not in the Democratic platform is not for lack of trying. ( Bernie Sanders picks three Israel critics to help draft Democratic platform) www.cnn.com/2016/06/24/politics/hillary-clinton-israel-dnc-platform/ It's a reality that the Democrats are going to have to deal with sooner or later. Who do they support? The entity that refuses to acknowledge Israel's right to exist or Israel? Also, www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-bizarre-media-blackout-of-hacked-george-soros-documents/. Soros via one of his groups is funding Black Lives Matter who is now taking an anti-Israel stand: www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/15/black-lives-matters-anti-israel-platform-blindside/ www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/11/black-lives-matters-movement-palestine-platform-israel-critics and www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/columns/2016/08/12/black-lives-matter-must-rescind-anti-israel-declaration/EHDYV3gNLwrTTwfp0JA8QN/story.html You know, as far as Iraq goes, I was originally for it: Saddam gassed and executed his own citizens, he violated the no-fly zone constantly. But (and it's a big one) the Bush administration did not plan for peace. I would have thought that was a big lesson that we, the US, should have collectively learned the first time around. So it was just amazing to me that Clinton would interfere in and destabilize Libya without a plan for peace. We simply shouldn't be there. And for gosh sakes, you don't draw a red line if you aren't going to live up to it. Well some people from Mexico (that is a nation, not a race) are rapists, you know? To say so is not racist. The Mexican drug cartels (gangs) are sending their people here to do business. They easily cross the border. We should be vetting everyone who comes here. This is a nation of immigrants, asking people to come here legally is not racist. Funny, I never see articles about the Canadians or Australians being racist for enforcing their immigration laws. Unlike those countries, you don't have to have a skill or money to come here and that's what we are all about. But do come here legally.
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Post by debmast on Oct 29, 2016 21:48:39 GMT
So "Needy Latinos" is bad but "Bad Hombres" is okay?
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imsirius
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Post by imsirius on Oct 29, 2016 22:59:04 GMT
I think you have this backwards. She was talking about white Supremists who are supporting Trump's agenda. I believe it was Trump who first said "Get rid of the immigrants" (who are part of the USA last time I looked), I believe it was TRUMP who said "Fight against anyone voting for HRC!" I believe it was TRUMP who told people to block voters!!! Mmmmm think you've quoted the wrong person here......I didn't say that! That was in Beckytech's post not mine. Omg..I quick quoted from Beckytech's post. So not sure how your name got there. Board glitch? I'm so sorry dottyscrapper!
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Post by elaine on Oct 29, 2016 22:59:26 GMT
You don't sicken me. I don't think that Clinton voters are awful horrible people. Misguided and perhaps myopic, but they don't sicken me. Hillary does, but not her voters. Yeah, her sentiment has very little to do with who you are voting for and everything to do with what YOU, yourself, have said on this thread. She was reflecting on your behavior HERE, not in the voting booth. Misguided and myopic are perfect words to describe your perceptions on this thread.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 29, 2016 23:01:46 GMT
This is just silly. Becky, you're better than this.
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Post by elaine on Oct 29, 2016 23:11:16 GMT
And let me add one more thing to ponder, Becky. If this was a number of other right-wing peas, people would be shaking their heads and responding with "SSDD." That multiple people are asking what happened to you, expressing surprise at your posts, etc., might be an indication that you really have entered into "out there" territory.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 30, 2016 1:14:25 GMT
It's amazing to me how far people will go to explain Trump's actions and words. It's entirely possible to agree with someone's politics while also accepting that they are not a good person. Just like it's possible to be a good singer, doctor, lawyer, athlete, dancer etc. and be a piece of shit human being. You can say "I don't agree with Hillary's policies and I think my beliefs are more in line with Trump's." It's really OK to do that. But saying that doesn't mean that you have to accept everything he does as OK. It's entirely possible that someone you agree with politically (or even just prefer to the alternative choices) happens to be a big pile of human waste dressed in an ill-fitting suit. What I don't get is why people feel the need to vehemently defend everything that he does. What happened to the "party of personal responsibility" that we heard so much about? He is on camera and microphone saying some very horrible things that really aren't defensible - so why do you think it's your job to defend him? Really, what defense is there? He wasn't REALLY saying that. He didn't REALLY mean that. Oh yeah? Well what about what THIS OTHER CANDIDATE SAID? It's not your job to defend Trump's words and actions. If you want to win people over to your candidate of choice, tell us what good things he's got to offer - what experience? what plans for the economy, the middle east, education? Don't just point out how bad some other candidate is - tell me why yours is better! If you can seriously say (or type) with a straight face that "Trump wasn't really mocking the disabled" - when there is a context for his motions and he was specifically referring to a reporter who makes those motions - and we have VIDEO OF HIM DOING IT - you are also a horrible person who thinks these things are ok, or you are willing to overlook the action for political reasons. I would have much more respect if Trump supporters could say "Yeah, he was really immature when he said that, and I don't agree with it one bit. But I still support him because his economic policy is better for these reasons..." You make an excellent point. I think the problem long standing Republicans have is that they have made part of their agenda that character matters. So they either have to recognize that character is not very important or support someone else. It seems easier to call out Clinton's character and put their head in the sand about Trumps.
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Post by BeckyTech on Oct 30, 2016 17:27:26 GMT
And let me add one more thing to ponder, Becky. If this was a number of other right-wing peas, people would be shaking their heads and responding with "SSDD." That multiple people are asking what happened to you, expressing surprise at your posts, etc., might be an indication that you really have entered into "out there" territory. I'm not the one who went off the deep-end pea livid over a stupid anonymous windshield note; even adding in words that weren't there. It was a rude, ignorant thing for that person to do, but your reaction would indicate that maybe you are the one who has entered "out there" territory.
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Post by nurseypants on Oct 30, 2016 17:31:06 GMT
This is just silly. Becky, you're better than this. Apparently not.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 30, 2016 18:16:58 GMT
And let me add one more thing to ponder, Becky. If this was a number of other right-wing peas, people would be shaking their heads and responding with "SSDD." That multiple people are asking what happened to you, expressing surprise at your posts, etc., might be an indication that you really have entered into "out there" territory. I'm not the one who went off the deep-end pea livid over a stupid anonymous windshield note; even adding in words that weren't there. It was a rude, ignorant thing for that person to do, but your reaction would indicate that maybe you are the one who has entered "out there" territory. Actually, you're wrong. This person who left the note was a little too up close and personal to her in real life. This person was close enough to observe her and make an incorrect judgment about her, and a step further made threats. The fear is real IRL with some of these "deplorable's" who could result to physical violence as THEY THEMSELVES HAVE SAID THEY WOUKD DO. She was not out of line in her reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 19:45:26 GMT
I just realized that these are the exact same hand movements I made yesterday when I was talking to someone, while I was conveying an expression of panic and fright. (OMG! How afraid he was! -- waving arms erratically) I'm not the one who went off the deep-end pea livid over a stupid anonymous windshield note; even adding in words that weren't there. It was a rude, ignorant thing for that person to do, but your reaction would indicate that maybe you are the one who has entered "out there" territory. This is just silly. Becky, you're better than this. Evidently not. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 30, 2016 19:50:11 GMT
So was this an experiment too? SMH.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 19:55:55 GMT
So was this an experiment too? SMH. I don't think so. It was someone showing us exactly who they are.
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Post by elaine on Oct 30, 2016 20:30:37 GMT
And let me add one more thing to ponder, Becky. If this was a number of other right-wing peas, people would be shaking their heads and responding with "SSDD." That multiple people are asking what happened to you, expressing surprise at your posts, etc., might be an indication that you really have entered into "out there" territory. I'm not the one who went off the deep-end pea livid over a stupid anonymous windshield note; even adding in words that weren't there. It was a rude, ignorant thing for that person to do, but your reaction would indicate that maybe you are the one who has entered "out there" territory. Yeah, no. Thanks for playing. Again, a case of you not even taking the time to read the whole thread. You used to read and comprehend so much better. And you just keep adding to people's perceptions of you with each post on this thread. Still waiting for the video of you flailing and using Trump's tone of voice so we can see how it isn't mocking.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 30, 2016 20:50:00 GMT
So was this an experiment too? SMH. I don't think so. It was someone showing us exactly who they are. Deplorable.
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Post by BeckyTech on Nov 1, 2016 19:25:02 GMT
People flailing arms when frightened (as I did when talking to my friends a few days ago, describing a level of panic). Tell the kids at the 2:09, 3:36, and 3:45 mark how deplorable they are:
What is deplorable is how operatives in the Democratic party (now fired), describe how they hire the mentally ill and homeless to "do shit, make no mistake." 13:48. They describe the direct contact their groups have with the DNC.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 1, 2016 19:26:29 GMT
why do you spend so much mental energy on something like this, Becky?? You won't change anyone's opinion. Let it go, and perhaps enjoy yourself, or something.
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Nink
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Post by Nink on Nov 1, 2016 19:40:44 GMT
Except he wasn't flailing his arms in a "moment of panic". He was giving a speech and talking about a disabled man and PURPOSEFULLY formed his arms in a specific manner to mock that person.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 1, 2016 19:50:47 GMT
why do you spend so much mental energy on something like this, Becky?? You won't change anyone's opinion. Let it go, and perhaps enjoy yourself, or something. Couldn't the same thing be said to people like Papercrafter or Krazykatscrapper who post daily about the awful things Trump is supposed to have said or done? I think so, but I haven't seen you suggest it to them.
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Post by elaine on Nov 1, 2016 19:56:42 GMT
People flailing arms when frightened (as I did when talking to my friends a few days ago, describing a level of panic). Tell the kids at the 2:09, 3:36, and 3:45 mark how deplorable they are:
What is deplorable is how operatives in the Democratic party (now fired), describe how they hire the mentally ill and homeless to "do shit, make no mistake." 13:48. They describe the direct contact their groups have with the DNC.
Neither of these videos has anything to do with Donald Trump's imitation of a disabled reporter. Nothing. Those kids weren't imitating anyone. Nor was the reporter jumping in fear in the conversation that Trump was recounting/mocking. What has happened to your sense of reason? I'm still waiting for a video of you flailing just like Donald, using the tone of voice and speech pattern he used when he talked about the reporter, to describe your own behavior on this thread. Then we can decide whether it looks like mocking.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Nov 1, 2016 20:02:32 GMT
People flailing arms when frightened (as I did when talking to my friends a few days ago, describing a level of panic). Tell the kids at the 2:09, 3:36, and 3:45 mark how deplorable they are:
What is deplorable is how operatives in the Democratic party (now fired), describe how they hire the mentally ill and homeless to "do shit, make no mistake." 13:48. They describe the direct contact their groups have with the DNC.
You are using a James O'Keefe produced video for your supporting evidence!?
FYI.... The 'liberal activitst' in that James O'Keefe video, coordinated with Breitbart to disrupt Marco Rubio rallies. James O'Keefe gets his funding from Breitbart. Stephen Bannon, editor-in-chief for Breitbart is Trump's Campaign Chief.
www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/breitbart-liberal-activist-230255
So, it is well established the O'Keefe is a hack. But it is also quite blurry who the "liberal activist" actually works for.
Bannon hasn't met a conspiracy theory he isn't willing to manufacture and/or promote.
And neither of these two videos have anything to do with Trump mocking a disabled person.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 20:02:40 GMT
why do you spend so much mental energy on something like this, Becky?? You won't change anyone's opinion. Let it go, and perhaps enjoy yourself, or something. Couldn't the same thing be said to people like Papercrafter or Krazykatscrapper who post daily about the awful things Trump is supposed to have said or done? I think so, but I haven't seen you suggest it to them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 20:08:47 GMT
why do you spend so much mental energy on something like this, Becky?? You won't change anyone's opinion. Let it go, and perhaps enjoy yourself, or something. Couldn't the same thing be said to people like Papercrafter or Krazykatscrapper who post daily about the awful things Trump is supposed to have said or done? I think so, but I haven't seen you suggest it to them. Can't you get any of your facts right Laverne? It appears not Laverne. You may want to work on that Laverne. Just saying.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 1, 2016 20:10:47 GMT
I see she's dissolved into her toddler personae.
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TheOtherMeg
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Nov 1, 2016 20:10:48 GMT
"I'm not going to get into the weeds, but I never said the flag was flown BY the DNC. But when I turned on my TV and saw a couple of flags prominently displayed in the audience it really saddened me." BeckyTechMany of the t-shirts, flags, and signs I see at every Trump rally sadden me. However, I've been repeatedly told that Trump is not responsible for what his supporters wear/carry/say/do. At least the flag carriers at the DNC convention were allowed to freely express their opinion. We've all read & seen what happens to folks at Trump rallies who even *look* like they might have an opposing view. (And let's not fool ourselves in thinking that appearance had nothing to do with it.)
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