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Post by shescrafty on Nov 19, 2016 15:32:02 GMT
I watched the video and thought the message from the cast was beautiful. I haven't seen the show yet, but I know what it is about. The show is supposed to be emotional and make people think. Isn't that what art and the theater are about?
I wish I had been there.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 19, 2016 15:34:08 GMT
I don't have an issue with the cast making a statement after the curtain call. The linked article said they had to stop several songs as the crowd was "jeering Pence" That's ridiculous. I actually agree with ktdoesntscrap above that art DOES make a difference - and the show IS political. I actually think this would have been a great opportunity to build bridges - or at least have a bigger impact on Pence if he could have watched the show as intended instead of the constant interruptions. The statement sounds like an attempt to build bridges, but the crowd booing in a performance is poor taste. And I applaud the VP Elect for stopping his exit and turning around and hearing the statement from the cast.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 19, 2016 15:43:06 GMT
I don't have an issue with the cast making a statement after the curtain call. The linked article said they had to stop several songs as the crowd was "jeering Pence" That's ridiculous. I actually agree with ktdoesntscrap above that art DOES make a difference - and the show IS political. I actually think this would have been a great opportunity to build bridges - or at least have a bigger impact on Pence if he could have watched the show as intended instead of the constant interruptions. While I agree, what else would the cast have done? They were respectful in their message. They weren't the ones booing. They did ask the audience to stop.
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Post by 5peanutsnana on Nov 19, 2016 16:10:12 GMT
Bravo!
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 19, 2016 16:17:46 GMT
The cast message was heartfelt, respectful, and on-point.
To point out--what has the president-elect fired up his Twitter account to do since being elected? Complain that the NYT isn't fair to him, complain that it is unfair for people to protest against him, and complain that the cast at Hamilton implored his Vice President to work on behalf of s diverse America and to protect them. Reflect on that.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 19, 2016 16:31:53 GMT
hey, in shakespeare's day..the audience would be throwing stuff.. I think pence can live with the perceptions he has created with his actions.. the audience can boo him.. and the cast can make statements.. the theater is an intensely political arena... and if you don't like it don't go. hamilton and the other founding fathers said many mean things about each other.. the country survived. if you promote hate towards others, don't be surprised if you get hate back... and yes, I think being against marriage equallity is hate.
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Post by llinin on Nov 19, 2016 16:39:50 GMT
Who was Pence at the show with? I think it was in poor taste, even worse if his family was with him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 16:40:54 GMT
So in answer to the idea that the Trump administration and all his chosen appointees are a bunch of hideous awful people, for whatever reason you choose to focus on, it's A-OK to act in an uncivilized and boorish manner.
Bravo! Bullying behavior is okay after all! As long as YOU do it for YOUR cause! Excellent message.
P.S. People who may not have been interested in this kind of behavior have likely paid a fortune and waited months to be able to see this show. Nice that it was ruined for them. Again, good job!
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 19, 2016 16:45:16 GMT
So in answer to the idea that the Trump administration and all his chosen appointees are a bunch of hideous awful people, for whatever reason you choose to focus on, it's A-OK to act in an uncivilized and boorish manner. Bravo! Bullying behavior is okay after all! As long as YOU do it for YOUR cause! Excellent message. P.S. People who may not have been interested in this kind of behavior have likely paid a fortune and waited months to be able to see this show. Nice that it was ruined for them. Again, good job! Did you listen to the cast message?
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Nov 19, 2016 16:46:40 GMT
From the USAToday article:
The cast statement was after the show. In fact, Pence had already started leaving and was not even in his seat. Reports state he was already in a hallway when the cast came out, but stopped to hear their statement.
There was both booing and cheering **from some members of the audience only** when Pence arrived. All booing/cheering during the show was done solely by some members of the audience. No complaints from Trump about the cheering, though.
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 19, 2016 16:49:49 GMT
So in answer to the idea that the Trump administration and all his chosen appointees are a bunch of hideous awful people, for whatever reason you choose to focus on, it's A-OK to act in an uncivilized and boorish manner. Bravo! Bullying behavior is okay after all! As long as YOU do it for YOUR cause! Excellent message. P.S. People who may not have been interested in this kind of behavior have likely paid a fortune and waited months to be able to see this show. Nice that it was ruined for them. Again, good job! Did you hear or read the message the cast gave? Even by the very loosest definitions of bullying it was in no way, size, shape or form bullying. I can't even think the most sensitive soul would consider himself bullied after having that statement read to or at them. I know bullying is a hot topic right now, but you are way over reaching to think Pence was bullied last night by the cast of Hamilton. And exactly how how was the show ruined for people coming to see it? This message was given at the curtain call. They didn't stop the show mid scene to deliver a tirade against Pence for pities sake. I doubt one person in the audience felt their experience was ruined by the actions of the cast. But, good job on over reacting!
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Post by Anita on Nov 19, 2016 16:49:54 GMT
Booing is in poor taste, but it's free speech. Might as well squeeze that in while they still have it.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Nov 19, 2016 16:53:47 GMT
I don't feel comfortable with that happening. Wrong place to make a statement. Absolutely agree! I would be livid as a paying customer if I witnessed this behavior. I am there to enjoy the show and not be subject to political bullying. Pence has a right to enjoy the show without being called out because the cast does not agree with his politics!!
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Post by eleezybeth on Nov 19, 2016 16:57:24 GMT
If you think for a minute that Hamilton is popular because of it's amazing soundtrack only, you really need to go read about it. The whole concept of Hamilton is political! The fact that Pence went to Hamilton blows my mind and I don't know if I should applaud him for trying or shake my head in wonder that he didn't know what the message is. I can't imagine anybody's night "being ruined" by anything that happened during a curtain call or intermission - that's some special snowflake crap right there.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 19, 2016 16:57:40 GMT
The cast message was heartfelt, respectful, and on-point. To point out--what has the president-elect fired up his Twitter account to do since being elected? Complain that the NYT isn't fair to him, complain that it is unfair for people to protest against him, and complain that the cast at Hamilton implored his Vice President to work on behalf of s diverse America and to protect them. Reflect on that. and....that his "stop it" was not exactly the most firm (please stop the hatefulness) request, nor has he made a point of repeating it.
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Post by ahiller on Nov 19, 2016 16:58:05 GMT
I watched the video and thought the message from the cast was beautiful. I haven't seen the show yet, but I know what it is about. The show is supposed to be emotional and make people think. Isn't that what art and the theater are about? I wish I had been there. I totally agree with this. I've heard/read that people are upset because it is disrespectful to the Office of the VP, whether you like the man himself or not. To that point, I'd say chanting "Lock her up" is disrespectful to the office of Secretary of State, whether you like her or not. This is the brave new world that Donald Trump has created where you can say and do anything disrespectful. Or is it only ok for conservatives to do that? Mike Pence showed up to a show on BROADWAY, which is pretty much the epicenter of acceptance of gay rights. As someone who is outspoken in his beliefs of stripping gay rights, what the hell did he think would happen?
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Post by MaryMary on Nov 19, 2016 16:58:09 GMT
Maybe I'm cynical, but does anyone else think him going to Hamilton in the first place wasn't possibly some form of political pandering? "Look, he's not the intolerant monster you think he is. He's at Hamilton! He loves the immigrants!"
And then to have it go sideways... I don't know. It kinda makes me giggle.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 19, 2016 16:59:52 GMT
I don't feel comfortable with that happening. Wrong place to make a statement. Absolutely agree! I would be livid as a paying customer if I witnessed this behavior. I am there to enjoy the show and not be subject to political bullying. Pence has a right to enjoy the show without being called out because the cast does not agree with his politics!! It's sad that you missed the point. It is not about politics. It is about the right for ALL humans to be treated with respect, dignity, and have the same rights as "other human's". It is not about politics dems vs repubs. It is about people. Human beings wanted to be treated kindly and to keep their civil rights intact.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 19, 2016 17:00:09 GMT
Calm down, no one said or even implied that it was ok for Repubicans. Booing is just rude in general. And didn't they boo Obama and heckle him at the State of the Union... hypocrites!
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Post by ahiller on Nov 19, 2016 17:00:51 GMT
So in answer to the idea that the Trump administration and all his chosen appointees are a bunch of hideous awful people, for whatever reason you choose to focus on, it's A-OK to act in an uncivilized and boorish manner. Bravo! Bullying behavior is okay after all! As long as YOU do it for YOUR cause! Excellent message. P.S. People who may not have been interested in this kind of behavior have likely paid a fortune and waited months to be able to see this show. Nice that it was ruined for them. Again, good job! It was after the show, not during. Anyone was free to get up and leave. Also, if you watch the video of what he said, you can see that he told people not to boo and was very, very respectful. Today on twitter, the actor who spoke thanked Mike Pence for stopping to listen.
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Post by ellen on Nov 19, 2016 17:01:02 GMT
I don't feel comfortable with that happening. Wrong place to make a statement. Absolutely agree! I would be livid as a paying customer if I witnessed this behavior. I am there to enjoy the show and not be subject to political bullying. Pence has a right to enjoy the show without being called out because the cast does not agree with his politics!! As a paying customer I would have felt pretty damn lucky to be in the audience last night. The cast put on their show and they gave a response that was respectful well after the show was over.
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Post by tincin on Nov 19, 2016 17:02:06 GMT
I don't feel comfortable with that happening. Wrong place to make a statement. I agree, the guy probably just wanted a night off to see a show. I don't like the guy but I almost feel sorry for him here. Racists homophobes don't get a night off. ETA Given his opinions on other people's lives and decisions I think he deserved every boo he received. Many of these audience members will never have the chance to give him their opinion of his opinions. He is just getting what he gives.
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Post by ahiller on Nov 19, 2016 17:02:25 GMT
And of course our Twitterer-in-Chief is already tweeting about it: I thought the alt-Right HATES the idea of "safe spaces" as being for little whiny liberals. But IOKIYAR, right? You first, Donald.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 19, 2016 17:02:55 GMT
So in answer to the idea that the Trump administration and all his chosen appointees are a bunch of hideous awful people, for whatever reason you choose to focus on, it's A-OK to act in an uncivilized and boorish manner. Bravo! Bullying behavior is okay after all! As long as YOU do it for YOUR cause! Excellent message. P.S. People who may not have been interested in this kind of behavior have likely paid a fortune and waited months to be able to see this show. Nice that it was ruined for them. Again, good job! Let's be clear who was booing.. it was not the cast... it was the public the people who paid a lot of money to see the show. Are you suggesting that they should be made to be quiet and not respond ? Who was bullied?
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Post by 1GreenLegume on Nov 19, 2016 17:13:31 GMT
Calm down, no one said or even implied that it was ok for Repubicans. Booing is just rude in general. And didn't they boo Obama and heckle him at the State of the Union... hypocrites! They sure did. And one member of Congress even screamed "LIAR!" out loud at the POTUS. What short memories and fluid manners and morals some people have. Save
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 19, 2016 17:17:38 GMT
Calm down, no one said or even implied that it was ok for Repubicans. Booing is just rude in general. Unless a referee makes a bad call, then it's balls to the walls! ETA: Seriously though, if Pence is really a man of the people, for the people then I would think he would look at their message and take it to heart. He may not even have taken their message as a scolding, he might have agreed with it and maybe further noted the failure of his administration in making appropriate assurances. One can hope.
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Post by rodeomom on Nov 19, 2016 17:17:58 GMT
I watched the video and thought the message from the cast was beautiful. I haven't seen the show yet, but I know what it is about. The show is supposed to be emotional and make people think. Isn't that what art and the theater are about? I wish I had been there. I hope I get to see this show one day.
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Post by jayfab on Nov 19, 2016 17:22:58 GMT
I watched the video and thought the message from the cast was beautiful. I haven't seen the show yet, but I know what it is about. The show is supposed to be emotional and make people think. Isn't that what art and the theater are about? I wish I had been there. I totally agree with this. I've heard/read that people are upset because it is disrespectful to the Office of the VP, whether you like the man himself or not. To that point, I'd say chanting "Lock her up" is disrespectful to the office of Secretary of State, whether you like her or not. This is the brave new world that Donald Trump has created where you can say and do anything disrespectful. Or is it only ok for conservatives to do that?
Mike Pence showed up to a show on BROADWAY, which is pretty much the epicenter of acceptance of gay rights. As someone who is outspoken in his beliefs of stripping gay rights, what the hell did he think would happen? agree 100 percent! SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 17:23:12 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where.
I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise.
This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you.
At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community.
You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area.
Later.
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Post by bazinga on Nov 19, 2016 17:24:01 GMT
And didn't they boo Obama and heckle him at the State of the Union... hypocrites! They sure did. And one member of Congress even screamed "LIAR!" out loud at the POTUS. What short memories and fluid manners and morals some people have. SaveWhat? I, and others, have said that booing in rude in general. For all human beings. Past, present and future.
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