PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 19, 2016 21:01:56 GMT
Did anyone consider that Mike Pence &/or members of his posse (ETA: sorry, LBJ, for the word choice) wanted to attend due to the popularity of the event, which may have been an opportunity to plant the seed of change in his alleged staunch opposition to LBGTQA rights? So you approve of the harassment of politicians' adult children? When they take part in their parent's campaign/transition the way the Trump kids have, I think they are fair game. *shrugs* Minor children and those who stay out of the fray are off limits.. Not necessarily condoning the heckling but when you put yourself front and center, it's bound to happen. Nature of the beast, imo. I think it's wrong & participation in their parents' campaign does not justify harassment, whether Eric Trump, Chelsea Clinton, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 21:08:00 GMT
That is such a ridiculous assertion that it's hilarious. So, that's a big NO. If you think that's even the slightest of possibilities you need to do your research on Mike Pence and things he has said and done. I'm aware of Mike Pence's stance on the issues & your condescension is noted. Good. As was yours in your first post.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 19, 2016 21:09:35 GMT
Because the re-imagining of the story includes an intentionally racially diverse cast, I could believe Mr. Pence wanted to send a message of racial tolerance. Or I could believe he just simply wanted to see this hot show about the founding fathers that everybody is talking about. Or he wanted to see a play that has two former American vice presidents as characters. But no, I wouldn't think he was trying to send a message about any change in his beliefs about LGBTQ rights. What would the connection be? I apologize for lack of clarity. I was not suggesting that Mr. Pence was sending any message with his attendance. Rather, him surrounded by cast diversity, LBGTQA acceptance, etc may begin the process of him reconsidering his stance on this issue; experience shapes understanding. Ah, you're taking a glass-half-full approach to the possible effects of his attendance. We'll see:) Or we could just send him tickets to a revival of "Torch Song Trilogy."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 21:13:51 GMT
When they take part in their parent's campaign/transition the way the Trump kids have, I think they are fair game. *shrugs* Minor children and those who stay out of the fray are off limits.. Not necessarily condoning the heckling but when you put yourself front and center, it's bound to happen. Nature of the beast, imo. I think it's wrong & participation in their parents' campaign does not justify harassment, whether Eric Trump, Chelsea Clinton, etc. I'd need proof of harassment before having on opinion on whatever it is happened with Eric Trump. If he was actually harassed (I'm doubtful about that), then two wrongs certainly don't make a right. However, the Trumps and their inexplicable defenders need to apologize for their continual, years-long harassment of many that they have come up against. Otherwise, their calls for unity and apology are beyond laughable and mean absolutely nothing. Don't expect what you're not willing to put out there.
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Post by psoccer on Nov 19, 2016 21:17:44 GMT
I apologize for lack of clarity. I was not suggesting that Mr. Pence was sending any message with his attendance. Rather, him surrounded by cast diversity, LBGTQA acceptance, etc may begin the process of him reconsidering his stance on this issue; experience shapes understanding. I thought this as well..
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 19, 2016 21:19:07 GMT
Did anyone consider that Mike Pence &/or members of his posse (ETA: sorry, LBJ, for the word choice) wanted to attend due to the popularity of the event, which may have been an opportunity to plant the seed of change in his alleged staunch opposition to LBGTQA rights? In a related note, Eric trump and his wife were heckled on the street.. if you insult whole groups of people in a society of free speech..you got to expect blowback.. where ever you are. and if you associate with such.. there you go. So you approve of the harassment of politicians' adult children? You realize that Eric Trump is an adult, who did the double down on some crazy crap his father said, and that he himself has verbalized. He was likely heckled for his own words and actions, not because he is a "child" of a president elect.
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Post by rodeomom on Nov 19, 2016 21:23:11 GMT
Did anyone consider that Mike Pence &/or members of his posse (ETA: sorry, LBJ, for the word choice) wanted to attend due to the popularity of the event, which may have been an opportunity to plant the seed of change in his alleged staunch opposition to LBGTQA rights? So you approve of the harassment of politicians' adult children? When they take part in their parent's campaign/transition the way the Trump kids have, I think they are fair game. *shrugs* Minor children and those who stay out of the fray are off limits.. Not necessarily condoning the heckling but when you put yourself front and center, it's bound to happen. Nature of the beast, imo. Perhaps Trump's adult children (Eric) was heckled in his own right. Because of his own racist and asinine statements.
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 19, 2016 21:24:17 GMT
I'm aware of Mike Pence's stance on the issues & your condescension is noted. Good. As was yours. Huh?
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Post by rodeomom on Nov 19, 2016 21:25:41 GMT
Did anyone consider that Mike Pence &/or members of his posse (ETA: sorry, LBJ, for the word choice) wanted to attend due to the popularity of the event, which may have been an opportunity to plant the seed of change in his alleged staunch opposition to LBGTQA rights? So you approve of the harassment of politicians' adult children? You realize that Eric Trump is an adult, who did the double down on some crazy crap his father said, and that he himself has verbalized. He was likely heckled for his own words and actions, not because he is a "child" of a president elect. Should have just waited for you.
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 19, 2016 21:32:05 GMT
Did anyone consider that Mike Pence &/or members of his posse (ETA: sorry, LBJ, for the word choice) wanted to attend due to the popularity of the event, which may have been an opportunity to plant the seed of change in his alleged staunch opposition to LBGTQA rights? So you approve of the harassment of politicians' adult children? You realize that Eric Trump is an adult, who did the double down on some crazy crap his father said, and that he himself has verbalized. He was likely heckled for his own words and actions, not because he is a "child" of a president elect. As stated in the question, I realize that Eric Trump is an adult. Because Chelsea Clinton did not denounce her mother labeling Trump supporters as "deplorables," would you also dismiss any reports of public heckling or harassment as an unfortunate consequence of her participating in the campaign?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 21:48:03 GMT
You realize that Eric Trump is an adult, who did the double down on some crazy crap his father said, and that he himself has verbalized. He was likely heckled for his own words and actions, not because he is a "child" of a president elect. As stated in the question, I realize that Eric Trump is an adult. Because Chelsea Clinton did not denounce her mother labeling Trump supporters as "deplorables," would you also dismiss any reports of public heckling or harassment as an unfortunate consequence of her participating in the campaign? Apples and Oranges Chelsea Clinton did not say racist or hateful things about Trump. She did not tweet racist or misogynistic or other deplorable things to Trump, his supporters, or anyone else. IF Eric Trump was actually heckled or harassed, chances are more than good that it was for his very own actions and not those of his father.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 19, 2016 21:49:57 GMT
You realize that Eric Trump is an adult, who did the double down on some crazy crap his father said, and that he himself has verbalized. He was likely heckled for his own words and actions, not because he is a "child" of a president elect. As stated in the question, I realize that Eric Trump is an adult. Because Chelsea Clinton did not denounce her mother labeling Trump supporters as "deplorables," would you also dismiss any reports of public heckling or harassment as an unfortunate consequence of her participating in the campaign? Chelsea Clinton's mother lost. But yes, Chelsea is an adult, and she campaigned for her mother, so she is also fair game.
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Post by ahiller on Nov 19, 2016 21:50:50 GMT
You realize that Eric Trump is an adult, who did the double down on some crazy crap his father said, and that he himself has verbalized. He was likely heckled for his own words and actions, not because he is a "child" of a president elect. As stated in the question, I realize that Eric Trump is an adult. Because Chelsea Clinton did not denounce her mother labeling Trump supporters as "deplorables," would you also dismiss any reports of public heckling or harassment as an unfortunate consequence of her participating in the campaign? Yep, I would. Part of being in the public eye in the social media/24-hour news cycle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 21:58:26 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. Oh honey. If I can hang with this group after all the shit that has been said about Muslims, I think you guys will make it.
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Post by redhead32 on Nov 19, 2016 22:03:58 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. I'm Christian. Evangelical, even. I don't feel unwelcome. But I also don't think Trump or even Pence represents what I believe. If they represent what you believe and you can't articulate a defense, that has less to do with this community and more to do with the moral dilemma that supporting Trump has created for those who believe in Jesus.
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Post by eleezybeth on Nov 19, 2016 22:08:27 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. You know what I hope you won't do? Hide behind your belief that you are a better Christian than those of us who disagree with you. I'm a left wing liberal nut - Christian liberal nut. My Bible is your Bible. My God is your God. While my interpretation of those two things might vary we are on the same team. So while you may have something to say about conservatives, please don't play the I'm a better Christian game and therefore you are being persecuted. I also do not believe it is a fraction... Now, I'm only going off my FB feed but out of the Trump supporters on there - at least 75% I'd say at least 65% are "idiots" based on THEIR words. That is frightening to me.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 19, 2016 22:14:47 GMT
You realize that Eric Trump is an adult, who did the double down on some crazy crap his father said, and that he himself has verbalized. He was likely heckled for his own words and actions, not because he is a "child" of a president elect. As stated in the question, I realize that Eric Trump is an adult. Because Chelsea Clinton did not denounce her mother labeling Trump supporters as "deplorables," would you also dismiss any reports of public heckling or harassment as an unfortunate consequence of her participating in the campaign? You're comparing something that Chelsea Clinton didn't say, something, as far as I know, she was not questioned about, with things that Eric Trump did say.
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 19, 2016 22:22:08 GMT
As stated in the question, I realize that Eric Trump is an adult. Because Chelsea Clinton did not denounce her mother labeling Trump supporters as "deplorables," would you also dismiss any reports of public heckling or harassment as an unfortunate consequence of her participating in the campaign? You're comparing something that Chelsea Clinton didn't say, something, as far as I know, she was not questioned about, with things that Eric Trump did say. I'm not comparing anything, rather attempting to understand other posters' stance on the report that a political candidate's adult child & his spouse were publicly heckled on the street. As previously shared, I think harassment in any setting against any person is wrong regardless that person or his/her relatives' occupation/etc.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 19, 2016 22:30:47 GMT
eric was heckled.. some teens yelled rude things to him about his father... not exactly harassment. but they have to expect people to be angry, given how trump has talked about various groups.
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Post by tincin on Nov 19, 2016 22:31:22 GMT
You realize that Eric Trump is an adult, who did the double down on some crazy crap his father said, and that he himself has verbalized. He was likely heckled for his own words and actions, not because he is a "child" of a president elect. As stated in the question, I realize that Eric Trump is an adult. Because Chelsea Clinton did not denounce her mother labeling Trump supporters as "deplorables," would you also dismiss any reports of public heckling or harassment as an unfortunate consequence of her participating in the campaign? Oh please, give the deplorables a rest. Since that is pretty much the only thing she said about SOME of the people support the future CGC and on a list of crap he has called everyone else, I think it rates pretty low. In fact, I think the only reason the future CGC and some of his supporters are upset is because the word is larger than two syllables and someone else had to tell them the meaning of it. Save
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 19, 2016 22:41:26 GMT
You're comparing something that Chelsea Clinton didn't say, something, as far as I know, she was not questioned about, with things that Eric Trump did say. I'm not comparing anything, rather attempting to understand other posters' stance on the report that a political candidate's adult child & his spouse were publicly heckled on the street. As previously shared, I think harassment in any setting against any person is wrong regardless that person or his/her relatives' occupation/etc. Which would be easier to answer if Eric Trump were being heckled because of his father's occupation/etc.
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Post by anonrefugee on Nov 19, 2016 22:52:48 GMT
I'm glad he saw it. But if he's seen decades of LGBT people being portrayed in movies, TV, etc. and can still think LGBT is an abomination to be reviled and fought - just because it says so in his particular favorite book - then I don't hold out much hope that seeing it will open his eyes. Isn't some of the problem the way they've been portrayed in movies or tv? Until the last decade there haven't been many realistic portrayals of the average guy/gay next door, on the office, etc. Instead there's been a lot of attention on flamboyant stereotypes.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 19, 2016 23:12:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 23:34:55 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. I'm Christian. Evangelical, even. I don't feel unwelcome. But I also don't think Trump or even Pence represents what I believe. If they represent what you believe and you can't articulate a defense, that has less to do with this community and more to do with the moral dilemma that supporting Trump has created for those who believe in Jesus. Standing up on my freaking chair giving you a serious standing ovation!!!!!
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 19, 2016 23:42:35 GMT
As stated in the question, I realize that Eric Trump is an adult. Because Chelsea Clinton did not denounce her mother labeling Trump supporters as "deplorables," would you also dismiss any reports of public heckling or harassment as an unfortunate consequence of her participating in the campaign? Oh please, give the deplorables a rest. Since that is pretty much the only thing she said about SOME of the people support the future CGC and on a list of crap he has called everyone else, I think it rates pretty low. In fact, I think the only reason the future CGC and some of his supporters are upset is because the word is larger than two syllables and someone else had to tell them the meaning of it. SaveWow! Your insults dilute your point/message & make assumptions that are untrue. As previously stated, I'm an unaffiliated/independent voter, never mentioned former Sec. Clinton's comment before this thread, & educated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 23:50:44 GMT
mirabelleswalker can you link me up to when Hillary was booed at Hamilton? I Googled but can't find anything on that.
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 19, 2016 23:50:48 GMT
I'm not comparing anything, rather attempting to understand other posters' stance on the report that a political candidate's adult child & his spouse were publicly heckled on the street. As previously shared, I think harassment in any setting against any person is wrong regardless that person or his/her relatives' occupation/etc. Which would be easier to answer if Eric Trump were being heckled because of his father's occupation/etc. Not one of the people who heckled Eric Trump & his wife, I'm uncertain the motivation. To me it's irrelevant, since I think it's wrong to harass anyone in any setting & for any reason.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 19, 2016 23:52:40 GMT
mirabelleswalker can you link me up to when Hillary was booed at Hamilton? I Googled but can't find anything on that. Daveed Diggs is one of the stars of the original cast of Hamilton so I'm taking him at his word that this happened.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 19, 2016 23:53:43 GMT
Which would be easier to answer if Eric Trump were being heckled because of his father's occupation/etc. Not one of the people who heckled Eric Trump & his wife, I'm uncertain the motivation. To me it's irrelevant, since I think it's wrong to harass anyone in any setting & for any reason. So there is not one cause on earth you would ever find worth speaking up against?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 0:11:31 GMT
And didn't they boo Obama and heckle him at the State of the Union... hypocrites! They sure did. And one member of Congress even screamed "LIAR!" out loud at the POTUS. What short memories and fluid manners and morals some people have. SaveAmen. That was the most disrespectful act a Congress person has uttered to a President in public in my lifetime.
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