MsKnit
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Post by MsKnit on Nov 19, 2016 17:26:30 GMT
Good for the cast!
Here's the thing...it took a damn long time to get to the place where people have rights at present. This upcoming administration is a threat to people's rights. It heartens me to see people standing up and voicing their opinions. Waiting to see what happens, like we are told, is stupid. We need to let the incoming administration know up front that we the people are not going to accept what there BS agenda.
It's why I think the Million Woman March is oh so important. A way to say to the cheeto that we are here, we are watching, and we are not taking your BS. We will fight for the rights of those 'others' you so vehemently hate.
You put the cheeto in office. We are not waiting to see what he does. Going backward is not an option.
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Post by littlemama on Nov 19, 2016 17:26:45 GMT
And of course our Twitterer-in-Chief is already tweeting about it: I thought the alt-Right HATES the idea of "safe spaces" as being for little whiny liberals. But IOKIYAR, right? Good Lord, thin-skinned whiners.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Nov 19, 2016 17:27:12 GMT
Absolutely agree! I would be livid as a paying customer if I witnessed this behavior. I am there to enjoy the show and not be subject to political bullying. Pence has a right to enjoy the show without being called out because the cast does not agree with his politics!! It's sad that you missed the point. It is not about politics. It is about the right for ALL humans to be treated with respect, dignity, and have the same rights as "other human's". It is not about politics dems vs repubs. It is about people. Human beings wanted to be treated kindly and to keep their civil rights intact. Nope not sad at all. He has a right to enjoy a show with friends/family without turning it into a political statement. They addressed him with their speech and then it turned into boos directed at him. Not cool and it is harassment in my book.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 19, 2016 17:31:42 GMT
It's sad that you missed the point. It is not about politics. It is about the right for ALL humans to be treated with respect, dignity, and have the same rights as "other human's". It is not about politics dems vs repubs. It is about people. Human beings wanted to be treated kindly and to keep their civil rights intact. Nope not sad at all. He has a right to enjoy a show with friends/family without turning it into a political statement. They addressed him with their speech and then it turned into boos directed at him. Not cool and it is harassment in my book. You have the order of things incorrect. 1. He was booed when he came in before any statement was made. 2. The statement was made after the show ended. 3. The show is ALL about politics. The show is a political statement. To buy tickets and not know that is a bit naive. 4. If people booing the vp-elect is harassment they both better stay indoors. Because they will be booed!
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Post by gardengoddess on Nov 19, 2016 17:32:05 GMT
And didn't they boo Obama and heckle him at the State of the Union... hypocrites! They sure did. And one member of Congress even screamed "LIAR!" out loud at the POTUS. What short memories and fluid manners and morals some people have. Save
Donald, Mike and their supporters are going to have to get some thicker skins or it's going to be a LONG four years for them also and then for the President-Elect to take his butt hurt to Twitter over it is just awful. How embarrassing for this country that he can't seem to shut up about things that a President should take the higher road on.
What's going to happen when Donald becomes upset over foreign policy, trade agreements, military/terrorist threats? Is he going to lash out and throw a tantrum on Twitter against heads of state or critics, like a school kid that got his toy taken away? This is repeated behavior, impaired temperament and judgement.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 19, 2016 17:32:38 GMT
hehehhe
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Post by terri on Nov 19, 2016 17:34:34 GMT
And of course our Twitterer-in-Chief is already tweeting about it: I thought the alt-Right HATES the idea of "safe spaces" as being for little whiny liberals. But IOKIYAR, right? You first, Donald. This. If Donald Trump really wants to be a leader he should lead by example. He should apologize to the women he has assaulted, the disabled reporter he mocked, the workers he has stiffed, the people of color he has offended, the Muslims and Jews that have been harassed by his supporters because they felt emboldened by his words, and the news media he has denigrated. In Trump's America Alexander Hamilton would have never had a chance to achieve greatness. A broadway performance about Hamilton and the development of our nation is the perfect place for people to voice their opinion. I applause every single person that did.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 19, 2016 17:43:15 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. Notice how it seems to be conservatives who are bailing? The liberals have stuck here after years of being belittled and being told how stupid, uneducated and just "liberal" we are as if we are the dregs of society. I don't think anyone is silencing anyone's opinions. It's a message board--one should expect any opinions, comments etc. to be commented on. Our opinions are just as valid as yours. It is seemingly becoming clear to me that the leaving here might be more of an intolerance issue
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Post by lisae on Nov 19, 2016 17:48:16 GMT
I think it is the height of hypocrisy for Trump to call for an apology from the cast for speaking directly to Pence. Did Trump apologize for the dozens of tweets he made where he criticized, made fun of and called people names? He has done this to all of his opponents both Democrat and Republican, the former Miss Universe contestant, Megyn Kelly, Ted Cruz' wife, other members of the press, President Obama. The list goes on and on.
If you can't take it, you better not dish it out.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 19, 2016 17:55:46 GMT
In a related note, Eric trump and his wife were heckled on the street.. if you insult whole groups of people in a society of free speech..you got to expect blowback.. where ever you are. and if you associate with such.. there you go.
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Post by myshelly on Nov 19, 2016 17:56:57 GMT
There just seems to be no right way to protest anymore. No marching. No kneeling. No talking. I believe the incoming administration has officially brought back the white sheet/burning cross approach.
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AmandaA
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Post by AmandaA on Nov 19, 2016 17:59:01 GMT
I don't feel badly at all if it "ruined" his evening. Come spend some time in Indiana and talk to members of the lgbtq community, people living in Scott county, women who were faced with the potential fallout of hb1337... Just to name a few. I bet they've had more than just one evening ruined by this man (after much thoughtful prayer as he always does of course). Karma is a bitch and he's got a lot of it. I dare say he only got a small taste of it back home where his views were more widely accepted than in other areas of the country.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 19, 2016 18:07:07 GMT
To point out--what has the president-elect fired up his Twitter account to do since being elected? Complain that the NYT isn't fair to him, complain that it is unfair for people to protest against him, and complain that the cast at Hamilton implored his Vice President to work on behalf of s diverse America and to protect them. Reflect on that. And he used Twitter just a few days ago to basically act - improbably - like a sore winner. Talk about inappropriate behavior.
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Post by Tamhugh on Nov 19, 2016 18:35:12 GMT
DH and I went to see a Broadway show last week. This is the time of year when the casts come out and speak about Actors Equity Fights Aids after the show (I hope I have that name right). I think this speech fit very well into the theme of that. I do agree that the booing was wrong, but I also hate hearing it at sports events, etc. And I was also a little bit disappointed, for lack of a better word, to read that Mr. Pence called the theater that same day and asked to attend. I know that there are always VIP seats held for situations like this but it just bothered me that he was able to call the same day and expect tickets to be available to him for the hottest show in the US. I guess feeling "entitled" is only bad when it is for the poor or minorities.
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Post by melanell on Nov 19, 2016 18:41:08 GMT
The fact that Mike Pence went to see Hamilton is a clear example of how dense the incoming administration is. My head is exploding from the irony. I was pretty surprised when I heard he went to see it. Save
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1GreenLegume
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Post by 1GreenLegume on Nov 19, 2016 18:41:41 GMT
DH and I went to see a Broadway show last week. This is the time of year when the casts come out and speak about Actors Equity Fights Aids after the show (I hope I have that name right). I think this speech fit very well into the theme of that. I do agree that the booing was wrong, but I also hate hearing it at sports events, etc. And I was also a little bit disappointed, for lack of a better word, to read that Mr. Pence called the theater that same day and asked to attend. I know that there are always VIP seats held for situations like this but it just bothered me that he was able to call the same day and expect tickets to be available to him for the hottest show in the US. I guess feeling "entitled" is only bad when it is for the poor or minorities. Save
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Post by melanell on Nov 19, 2016 19:00:58 GMT
There's the old "golden rule"...treat others as you wish to be treated"...but some people forget that it works both ways. Sure, by booing, some audience members are saying they'd like to be "boo"ed. But, by calling various Americans (whether individuals or groups) names, Trump & Pence have instructed people on how they would like to be treated as well. You can't have it both ways though. You can't dole out insults & threats and then ask for nothing but respect, smiles, and applause in return. That's just not how it works. I think the cast handled the situation beautifully. They waited until Pence was leaving. if he didn't want to hear their message, he could have kept on leaving. As for random people booing him? I am afraid that both Trump & Pence will have to get used to that. They sowed those seeds and now they are reaping them.
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Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Nov 19, 2016 19:46:08 GMT
I think we were all confused. Telling it like it is only goes one way.
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tincin
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Post by tincin on Nov 19, 2016 19:55:31 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. So is this an official hair flip?
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 19, 2016 19:56:32 GMT
There's the old "golden rule"...treat others as you wish to be treated"...but some people forget that it works both ways. Sure, by booing, some audience members are saying they'd like to be "boo"ed. But, by calling various Americans (whether individuals or groups) names, Trump & Pence have instructed people on how they would like to be treated as well. You can't have it both ways though. You can't dole out insults & threats and then ask for nothing but respect, smiles, and applause in return. That's just not how it works. I think the cast handled the situation beautifully. They waited until Pence was leaving. if he didn't want to hear their message, he could have kept on leaving. As for random people booing him? I am afraid that both Trump & Pence will have to get used to that. They sowed those seeds and now they are reaping them. X 1000. Is this really surprising? Trump may have won, but a large segment of America is unconvinced of his ability to be President. Much like the people who voted for him have been, these folks are deeply apprehensive about what this Presidency will be like. Add to that some of his appointments, and it feels like everything that we feared is about to come true. I am very apprehensive about the next 4 years myself.
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Post by melanell on Nov 19, 2016 20:03:47 GMT
My personal rule is that one should never interfere with or interrupt a show the way that some of those audience members did. To me, that generally is a big "no-no". And I still stand by that on behalf of any audience members who did not appreciate the interruption. Normally, I also think that it is so disrespectful towards the performers, BUT, in this case, my gut feeling is that the performers probably weren't really too irked by it. But, like MaryMary said, I can't help but chuckle at their choice small form of protest. In a world where many forms of protest or push-back end in violence, these folks had an opportunity to actually be literally heard by Pence, something that they certainly didn't expect to happen at that moment, and they took the opportunity to make a protest that did, in my opinion, fit into the show, particularly during the times when they timed it around certain lines. And there was a hefty dose of irony involved in him even being there, and I appreciate irony, so that adds to it for me. So, while I don't condone booing in general, I do understand this booing, and I admit that despite it going against my own rules, therefore making me a hypocrite, I can't help but chuckle at this booing. It reminds me of times when your kid misbehaves, but it's fricking funny, and you have to quickly go into another room to stifle a laugh and rearrange your facial features before you can go back and tell the child that their behavior was inappropriate. Like if a child lands a well placed curse word or something--you know they shouldn't do it, and normally you don't want them to do it, but dang, in that case, it still makes you laugh. (And no, I'm not trying to say the audience are cursing children---it's just what popped into my head as a comparison. )
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 19, 2016 20:04:22 GMT
Did anyone consider that Mike Pence &/or members of his posse (ETA: sorry, LBJ, for the word choice) wanted to attend due to the popularity of the event, which may have been an opportunity to plant the seed of change in his alleged staunch opposition to LBGTQA rights? In a related note, Eric trump and his wife were heckled on the street.. if you insult whole groups of people in a society of free speech..you got to expect blowback.. where ever you are. and if you associate with such.. there you go. So you approve of the harassment of politicians' adult children?
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 19, 2016 20:23:37 GMT
And of course our Twitterer-in-Chief is already tweeting about it: I thought the alt-Right HATES the idea of "safe spaces" as being for little whiny liberals. But IOKIYAR, right? You know what else is supposed to be a safe and special place? America. It is supposed to be safe and special FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT LIVES HERE!!!
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 19, 2016 20:27:32 GMT
Did anyone consider that Mike Pence &/or members of his posse (ETA: sorry, LBJ, for the word choice) wanted to attend due to the popularity of the event, which may have been an opportunity to plant the seed of change in his alleged staunch opposition to LBGTQA rights? Because the re-imagining of the story includes an intentionally racially diverse cast, I could believe Mr. Pence wanted to send a message of racial tolerance. Or I could believe he just simply wanted to see this hot show about the founding fathers that everybody is talking about. Or he wanted to see a play that has two former American vice presidents as characters. But no, I wouldn't think he was trying to send a message about any change in his beliefs about LGBTQ rights. What would the connection be?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 20:27:39 GMT
Did anyone consider that Mike Pence &/or members of his posse (ETA: sorry, LBJ, for the word choice) wanted to attend due to the popularity of the event, which may have been an opportunity to plant the seed of change in his alleged staunch opposition to LBGTQA rights? That is such a ridiculous assertion that it's hilarious. So, that's a big NO. If you think that's even the slightest of possibilities you need to do your research on Mike Pence and things he has said and done.
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Post by ahiller on Nov 19, 2016 20:28:00 GMT
Did anyone consider that Mike Pence &/or members of his posse (ETA: sorry, LBJ, for the word choice) wanted to attend due to the popularity of the event, which may have been an opportunity to plant the seed of change in his alleged staunch opposition to LBGTQA rights? In a related note, Eric trump and his wife were heckled on the street.. if you insult whole groups of people in a society of free speech..you got to expect blowback.. where ever you are. and if you associate with such.. there you go. So you approve of the harassment of politicians' adult children? When they take part in their parent's campaign/transition the way the Trump kids have, I think they are fair game. *shrugs* Minor children and those who stay out of the fray are off limits.. Not necessarily condoning the heckling but when you put yourself front and center, it's bound to happen. Nature of the beast, imo.
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 19, 2016 20:45:36 GMT
Did anyone consider that Mike Pence &/or members of his posse (ETA: sorry, LBJ, for the word choice) wanted to attend due to the popularity of the event, which may have been an opportunity to plant the seed of change in his alleged staunch opposition to LBGTQA rights? Because the re-imagining of the story includes an intentionally racially diverse cast, I could believe Mr. Pence wanted to send a message of racial tolerance. Or I could believe he just simply wanted to see this hot show about the founding fathers that everybody is talking about. Or he wanted to see a play that has two former American vice presidents as characters. But no, I wouldn't think he was trying to send a message about any change in his beliefs about LGBTQ rights. What would the connection be? I apologize for lack of clarity. I was not suggesting that Mr. Pence was sending any message with his attendance. Rather, him surrounded by cast diversity, LBGTQA acceptance, etc may begin the process of him reconsidering his stance on this issue; experience shapes understanding.
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Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Nov 19, 2016 20:48:27 GMT
Or if he was going to have a radical change in perspective, he could tell the American people that with words. We don't really have any idea what his motivations were although I'm sure we all have opinions about it. But to show up to THAT show after running with THAT man after a week in which the administration was staffed with a white nationalist and another man who is openly racist, well... I'll just say that I'm surprised the audience and the cast were as restrained as they were.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 19, 2016 20:51:40 GMT
For the record, I actually agree that the booing was unfortunate. But I also think it's kind of satisfyingly ironic that the behavior fit with the theme of the play, and I somewhat agree with those who say that it's just rewards. Mike Pence now represents Donald Trump and his behavior. That's his job now, and he chose that job with full knowledge of his boss's behavior and public demeanor.
And the president-elect of our country taking to Twitter so that millions could read his "order" to the cast to apologize? On the list of inappropriate behaviors, that's pretty damn high.
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 19, 2016 20:53:32 GMT
Did anyone consider that Mike Pence &/or members of his posse (ETA: sorry, LBJ, for the word choice) wanted to attend due to the popularity of the event, which may have been an opportunity to plant the seed of change in his alleged staunch opposition to LBGTQA rights? That is such a ridiculous assertion that it's hilarious. So, that's a big NO. If you think that's even the slightest of possibilities you need to do your research on Mike Pence and things he has said and done. I'm aware of Mike Pence's stance on the issues & your condescension is noted.
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