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Post by catmom on Nov 20, 2016 0:14:35 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. I'm Christian. Evangelical, even. I don't feel unwelcome. But I also don't think Trump or even Pence represents what I believe. If they represent what you believe and you can't articulate a defense, that has less to do with this community and more to do with the moral dilemma that supporting Trump has created for those who believe in Jesus. This bears repeating, especially as I wouldn't want anyone equating Christianity or being a Christian with any of the actions, words or platform of Donald Trump. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2016 0:16:45 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. Really? This is the very thing conservatives complain about on college campuses, when liberal college students supposedly need "safe spaces" because they can't stand to have their beliefs challenged. It's so ironic that you elected a candidate who is supposedly refreshing in his candor, unafraid to tell you like it is, un-PC, but the minute someone tells YOU like they think it is, you want to take your toys and go home. You know who feels unwelcome? The teenage illegal alien at my daughter's school who was brought here as an infant and knows no one in her native country, but now must fear deportation back to that country. Also the Muslim children at my school who are worried that they will be taken to an internment camp. My gay friends who are worried that their marriages will be invalidated and their spousal rights revoked. The people of color in our country who are continually shown that their lives don't really matter as much as everyone else's, and who are derided and demeaned for virtually every form of peaceful protest they take. White Christian conservatives? Please. You have a red carpet a mile wide laid out for you. You worship as you please in complete freedom and without fear, as you should. There is no place in this country where you are unwelcome or unsafe, or where you do not enjoy the full and complete benefits of citizenship. All others are asking for is the same benefit for everyone, and somehow that is so offensive to you that you feel "unwelcome." SMDH. |
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 0:17:33 GMT
Not one of the people who heckled Eric Trump & his wife, I'm uncertain the motivation. To me it's irrelevant, since I think it's wrong to harass anyone in any setting & for any reason. So there is not one cause on earth you would ever find worth speaking up against? Are you suggesting that public heckling/harassment is required to support a cause? I've donated my time & money to raising awareness/finding a cure for esphogeal cancer, eradicating homelessness, & giving inner city students safe after-school options for decades without once hurling insults at people on the street or online message boards. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 20, 2016 0:31:15 GMT
You realize that Eric Trump is an adult, who did the double down on some crazy crap his father said, and that he himself has verbalized. He was likely heckled for his own words and actions, not because he is a "child" of a president elect. As stated in the question, I realize that Eric Trump is an adult. Because Chelsea Clinton did not denounce her mother labeling Trump supporters as "deplorables," would you also dismiss any reports of public heckling or harassment as an unfortunate consequence of her participating in the campaign? I'm going to try and I stick with and comment on things that actually happened vs the "what if" scenarios that often redirect the threads. And honestly--I have no idea what you're trying to say about Chelsea!! So my answer to your post is yes, IF the adult children say dumbass shit, they deserve the consequences for their dumbassery. |
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 20, 2016 0:31:50 GMT
So there is not one cause on earth you would ever find worth speaking up against? Are you suggesting that public heckling/harassment is required to support a cause? I've donated my time & money to raising awareness/finding a cure for esphogeal cancer, eradicating homelessness, & giving inner city students safe after-school options for decades without once hurling insults at people on the street or online message boards. Not at all, don't put words in my mouth. You stated it was never appropriate, I was asking if there was any cause on earth that you thought might lead you to a verbal form of protest. I don't think you are saying the cast "hurled insults" at VP elect Pence with their statement are you? |
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2016 0:36:04 GMT
So there is not one cause on earth you would ever find worth speaking up against? Are you suggesting that public heckling/harassment is required to support a cause? I've donated my time & money to raising awareness/finding a cure for esphogeal cancer, eradicating homelessness, & giving inner city students safe after-school options for decades without once hurling insults at people on the street or online message boards. When you choose to become a public figure, you accept that people may occasionally address you in public, and that what they have to say may not always be complimentary. I think it's ridiculous that Trump or anyone who supports him would be calling this action inappropriate, when Trump himself has stood in public venues and insulted people so often. The cast of Hamilton was very polite in their address, and a few 'boos' from private citizens never hurt anyone. It's not like anyone threw their shoe at him. ETA: In watching the video, I hear a lot more cheers than boos. Funny how none of those so offended mention that. |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 20, 2016 0:38:23 GMT
This is Trump's third tweet today about the Hamilton incident. He is seriously deranged.
ETA He deleted his tweet. This is what it said:
Very rude and insulting of Hamilton cast member to treat our great future VP Mike Pence to a theater lecture. Couldn't even memorize lines!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 0:38:25 GMT
mirabelleswalker can you link me up to when Hillary was booed at Hamilton? I Googled but can't find anything on that. Daveed Diggs is one of the stars of the original cast of Hamilton so I'm taking him at his word that this happened. His tweet also says Pence was only asked to play fair, and we know that's not the whole truth (audience members booed him) so I wondered if the rest of his tweet could be substantiated. I'm not saying she wasn't, I just really wanted to compare the public reaction then to the one now. You'd think the media would have been all over that, and I'm surprised I missed it. Save |
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 0:42:07 GMT
Are you suggesting that public heckling/harassment is required to support a cause? I've donated my time & money to raising awareness/finding a cure for esphogeal cancer, eradicating homelessness, & giving inner city students safe after-school options for decades without once hurling insults at people on the street or online message boards. Not at all, don't put words in my mouth. You stated it was never appropriate, I was asking if there was any cause on earth that you thought might lead you to a verbal form of protest. I don't think you are saying the cast "hurled insults" at VP elect Pence with their statement are you? I'm certainly not trying to speak for you or anyone else; hence, the question. My comments were referencing the reported heckling of Eric Trump & his wife on the street, completely unrelated to Mike Pence & the musical. I've participated in peaceful protests that raised awareness of causes. Perhaps it's simply a difference in personality or upbringing, but I don't condone pesky heckling/harassment of anyone on the street. |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 20, 2016 0:42:37 GMT
Daveed Diggs is one of the stars of the original cast of Hamilton so I'm taking him at his word that this happened. His tweet also says Pence was only asked to play fair, and we know that's not the whole truth (audience members booed him) so I wondered if the rest of his tweet could be substantiated. I'm not saying she wasn't, I just really wanted to compare the public reaction then to the one now. You'd think the media would have been all over that, and I'm surprised I missed it. SaveI think it's safe to say she didn't whine about it. |
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 20, 2016 0:43:04 GMT
This is Trump's third tweet today about the Hamilton incident. He is seriously deranged. Damn personal insult is pretty unpresidential! Someone really needs to get the Twitter away from him! |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 20, 2016 0:49:33 GMT
This is Trump's third tweet today about the Hamilton incident. He is seriously deranged. Wait. Is Trump criticizing the actor for not memorizing the message to Pence? Seriously? Such an odd, odd man. |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 20, 2016 0:50:20 GMT
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 0:50:25 GMT
Are you suggesting that public heckling/harassment is required to support a cause? I've donated my time & money to raising awareness/finding a cure for esphogeal cancer, eradicating homelessness, & giving inner city students safe after-school options for decades without once hurling insults at people on the street or online message boards. When you choose to become a public figure, you accept that people may occasionally address you in public, and that what they have to say may not always be complimentary. I think it's ridiculous that Trump or anyone who supports him would be calling this action inappropriate, when Trump himself has stood in public venues and insulted people so often. The cast of Hamilton was very polite in their address, and a few 'boos' from private citizens never hurt anyone. It's not like anyone threw their shoe at him. Although an unaffiliated voter, I must admit your argument is weak at best. Using your logic, you must not mind when your children or students lie or cheat since you supported former Sec Clinton. |
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 20, 2016 0:50:56 GMT
Not at all, don't put words in my mouth. You stated it was never appropriate, I was asking if there was any cause on earth that you thought might lead you to a verbal form of protest. I don't think you are saying the cast "hurled insults" at VP elect Pence with their statement are you? I'm certainly not trying to speak for you or anyone else; hence, the question. My comments were referencing the reported heckling of Eric Trump & his wife on the street, completely unrelated to Mike Pence & the musical. I've participated in peaceful protests that raised awareness of causes. Perhaps it's simply a difference in personality or upbringing, but I don't condone pesky heckling/harassment of anyone on the street. I think maybe I read too much into your first statement that it wasn't appropriate any place for any reason, to me that sounds like you do not support people's right to protest. But rereading it sounds like you meant yelling on the street isn't the appropriate way. I think civility in politics is hard to find anymore, especially after the last 8 years and after the very uncivil campaign. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2016 0:55:09 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 20, 2016 0:57:53 GMT
This is Trump's third tweet today about the Hamilton incident. He is seriously deranged. Wait. Is Trump criticizing the actor for not memorizing the message to Pence? Seriously? Such an odd, odd man. For someone so insensitive himself, he sure seems to take offense easily. |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 20, 2016 0:58:27 GMT
After 5 pages I'd say people care, @merge.
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2016 0:59:48 GMT
When you choose to become a public figure, you accept that people may occasionally address you in public, and that what they have to say may not always be complimentary. I think it's ridiculous that Trump or anyone who supports him would be calling this action inappropriate, when Trump himself has stood in public venues and insulted people so often. The cast of Hamilton was very polite in their address, and a few 'boos' from private citizens never hurt anyone. It's not like anyone threw their shoe at him. Although an unaffiliated voter, I must admit your argument is weak at best. Using your logic, you must not mind when your children or students lie or cheat since you supported former Sec Clinton. Oh, wow, you really got me there. I've never heard that one before.  I'll just wait here for you to think about that response a little more until you see the big, gaping hole in it. |
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 1:00:25 GMT
I'm certainly not trying to speak for you or anyone else; hence, the question. My comments were referencing the reported heckling of Eric Trump & his wife on the street, completely unrelated to Mike Pence & the musical. I've participated in peaceful protests that raised awareness of causes. Perhaps it's simply a difference in personality or upbringing, but I don't condone pesky heckling/harassment of anyone on the street. I think maybe I read too much into your first statement that it wasn't appropriate any place for any reason, to me that sounds like you do not support people's right to protest. But rereading it sounds like you meant yelling on the street isn't the appropriate way. I think civility in politics is hard to find anymore, especially after the last 8 years and after the very uncivil campaign. Yes; my comments referred to the pesky heckling on the street. I completely agree with you about the increasing lack of civility in politics (&, unfortunately, beyond). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 1:01:04 GMT
Which would be easier to answer if Eric Trump were being heckled because of his father's occupation/etc. Not one of the people who heckled Eric Trump & his wife, I'm uncertain the motivation. To me it's irrelevant, since I think it's wrong to harass anyone in any setting & for any reason. So is it safe to assume that you have serious issues with Trump's years-long harassment of Hillary Clinton and President Obama? Or Rosie O'Donnell? Or Alicia Machado (former Miss America)? Or Megyn Kelly? and all the others he has harassed and heckled? Save |
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 1:02:20 GMT
Although an unaffiliated voter, I must admit your argument is weak at best. Using your logic, you must not mind when your children or students lie or cheat since you supported former Sec Clinton. Oh, wow, you really got me there. I've never heard that one before. I'll just wait here for you to think about that response a little more until you see the big, gaping hole in it. Condescension noted. So, you're chosing to use sarcasm to deflect?  |
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 1:07:56 GMT
Not one of the people who heckled Eric Trump & his wife, I'm uncertain the motivation. To me it's irrelevant, since I think it's wrong to harass anyone in any setting & for any reason. So is it safe to assume that you have serious issues with Trump's years-long harassment of Hillary Clinton and President Obama? Or Rosie O'Donnell? Or Alicia Machado (former Miss America)? Or Megyn Kelly? and all the others he has harassed and heckled? Save I've repetitively stated my opinion on street heckling throughout this thread. Only here would my initial comment hoping attendance at the popular musical would somehow lead to Mr. Pence reconsidering his stance on LBGTQA rights rally the troops & prompt rounds of dissection & challenge of my every word! |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 20, 2016 1:11:41 GMT
Although an unaffiliated voter, I must admit your argument is weak at best. Using your logic, you must not mind when your children or students lie or cheat since you supported former Sec Clinton. Oh, wow, you really got me there. I've never heard that one before. I'll just wait here for you to think about that response a little more until you see the big, gaping hole in it. Don't wait too long, Merge.  |
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2016 1:12:12 GMT
Oh, wow, you really got me there. I've never heard that one before. I'll just wait here for you to think about that response a little more until you see the big, gaping hole in it. So, you're chosing to use sarcasm to deflect? No, I'm using sarcasm because YOU were the one deflecting with your tit-for-tat argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 1:13:03 GMT
Daveed Diggs is one of the stars of the original cast of Hamilton so I'm taking him at his word that this happened. His tweet also says Pence was only asked to play fair, and we know that's not the whole truth (audience members booed him) so I wondered if the rest of his tweet could be substantiated. I'm not saying she wasn't, I just really wanted to compare the public reaction then to the one now. You'd think the media would have been all over that, and I'm surprised I missed it. SaveWell, mainstream sources were too busy running live feeds of Trump rallies in hopes that the hate speak would satisfy the reality TV lapper-uppers and kick up their ratings, while alt-right sources like Bartbreit were full out spreading lies and White Supremacist propoganda. Given the state of TV and online video-feed "news" I'm not surprised at all that we missed it. I another who is willing to take Daveed Diggs' word for it. Save |
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2016 1:13:41 GMT
Oh, wow, you really got me there. I've never heard that one before. I'll just wait here for you to think about that response a little more until you see the big, gaping hole in it. Don't wait too long, Merge. No fear; I'm just killing time until my husband drags me off to an office party full of Trump-voting oil executives. Please pass the scotch. |
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 1:14:48 GMT
So, you're chosing to use sarcasm to deflect? No, I'm using sarcasm because YOU were the one deflecting with your tit-for-tat argument. So, falling back on the trusty, albeit weak, "well-you-did-it-first" play which I challenged? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 1:15:36 GMT
Perhaps it's simply a difference in personality or upbringing, but I don't condone pesky heckling/harassment of anyone on the street. Oh, that's not condescending at all. /sarcasm |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 1:19:42 GMT
When you choose to become a public figure, you accept that people may occasionally address you in public, and that what they have to say may not always be complimentary. I think it's ridiculous that Trump or anyone who supports him would be calling this action inappropriate, when Trump himself has stood in public venues and insulted people so often. The cast of Hamilton was very polite in their address, and a few 'boos' from private citizens never hurt anyone. It's not like anyone threw their shoe at him. Although an unaffiliated voter, I must admit your argument is weak at best. Using your logic, you must not mind when your children or students lie or cheat since you supported former Sec Clinton.  wtf? Save |
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wtf?