PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 1:20:38 GMT
Perhaps it's simply a difference in personality or upbringing, but I don't condone pesky heckling/harassment of anyone on the street. Oh, that's not condescending at all. /sarcasm It certainly wasn't meant to be condescending, rather acknowledgement that I didn't grow up in a place where public heckling occurred. It may be commonplace & not viewed the same by people with different life experience.
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2016 1:20:59 GMT
No, I'm using sarcasm because YOU were the one deflecting with your tit-for-tat argument. So, falling back on the trusty, albeit weak, "well-you-did-it-first" play which I challenged? WTF are you talking about?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 1:24:23 GMT
So is it safe to assume that you have serious issues with Trump's years-long harassment of Hillary Clinton and President Obama? Or Rosie O'Donnell? Or Alicia Machado (former Miss America)? Or Megyn Kelly? and all the others he has harassed and heckled? Save I've repetitively stated my opinion on street heckling throughout this thread. Only here would my initial comment hoping attendance at the popular musical would somehow lead to Mr. Pence reconsidering his stance on LBGTQA rights rally the troops & prompt rounds of dissection & challenge of my every word! Ok, sure. It couldn't possibly be your inability or maybe unwillingness to directly state your point or your constant condescension. It's everyone else, and not even a tiny bit about your posting style. Save
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 1:33:24 GMT
So, falling back on the trusty, albeit weak, "well-you-did-it-first" play which I challenged? WTF are you talking about? Seriously? You wrote, "I think it's ridiculous that Trump or anyone who supports him would be calling this action inappropriate, when Trump himself has stood in public venues & insulted people so often." in response to my comment about Eric Trump/wife being hassled on the street. Although unaffiliated, I pointed out the weakness in your argument - Trump supporters cannot complain when someone else does the same things as the candidate they support - with an example applying your logic. You chose to reply with sarcasm, condescension, & now feigning ignorance.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 20, 2016 1:37:37 GMT
When you choose to become a public figure, you accept that people may occasionally address you in public, and that what they have to say may not always be complimentary. I think it's ridiculous that Trump or anyone who supports him would be calling this action inappropriate, when Trump himself has stood in public venues and insulted people so often. The cast of Hamilton was very polite in their address, and a few 'boos' from private citizens never hurt anyone. It's not like anyone threw their shoe at him. Although an unaffiliated voter, I must admit your argument is weak at best. Using your logic, you must not mind when your children or students lie or cheat since you supported former Sec Clinton. Your analogy's are not making sense. It's confusing to keep adding in alternative scenario's and "what if's" !! I don't read that she had any "argument" weak or not, she just stating that they were respectful and that a few audience members booed. I'm not understanding why you're trying to bring in lying and cheating with Hillary--not even remotely close! (However, you do realize that Trump ran his entire campaign on lies, he too was a cheater, and that he lied to his supporters as to what he was going to do, right?)
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2016 1:42:15 GMT
WTF are you talking about? Seriously? You wrote, "I think it's ridiculous that Trump or anyone who supports him would be calling this action inappropriate, when Trump himself has stood in public venues & insulted people so often." in response to my comment about Eric Trump/wife being hassled on the street. Although unaffiliated, I pointed out the weakness in your argument - Trump supporters cannot complain when someone else does the same things as the candidate they support - with an example applying your logic. You chose to reply with sarcasm, condescension, & now feigning ignorance. a. The part I bolded is the "tit-for-tat" argument you made, which I refuse to follow because it's not a real argument. b. The big hole which you apparently don't see is that your argument requires me to acknowledge that Hillary lies and cheats - something that is a matter of opinion. Trump's insults to all and sundry are right out on video for everyone to see, no opinion needed. c. I don't need to feign anything - your last post to me made no sense.
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 1:42:26 GMT
I've repetitively stated my opinion on street heckling throughout this thread. Only here would my initial comment hoping attendance at the popular musical would somehow lead to Mr. Pence reconsidering his stance on LBGTQA rights rally the troops & prompt rounds of dissection & challenge of my every word! Ok, sure. It couldn't possibly be your inability or maybe unwillingness to directly state your point or your constant condescension. It's everyone else, and not even a tiny bit about your posting style. SaveWhat? I'm not blaming anyone for anything, never intended to be condescending in my almost 15 years participating in this community, & apologize for offending you with my posting style.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 1:50:47 GMT
Ok, sure. It couldn't possibly be your inability or maybe unwillingness to directly state your point or your constant condescension. It's everyone else, and not even a tiny bit about your posting style. SaveWhat? I'm not blaming anyone for anything, never intended to be condescending in my almost 15 years participating in this community, & apologize for offending you with my posting style. Well, if your apology is sincere, then thank you and I accept. If it's not, then you know exactly what. And not sure what your talking about with the blaming, but that's ok. I'm not interested in circular arguments or going back and forth with a serial arguer. I'm disengaging with you. Save
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 1:54:31 GMT
Seriously? You wrote, "I think it's ridiculous that Trump or anyone who supports him would be calling this action inappropriate, when Trump himself has stood in public venues & insulted people so often." in response to my comment about Eric Trump/wife being hassled on the street. Although unaffiliated, I pointed out the weakness in your argument - Trump supporters cannot complain when someone else does the same things as the candidate they support - with an example applying your logic. You chose to reply with sarcasm, condescension, & now feigning ignorance. a. The part I bolded is the "tit-for-tat" argument you made, which I refuse to follow because it's not a real argument. b. The big hole which you apparently don't see is that your argument requires me to acknowledge that Hillary lies and cheats - something that is a matter of opinion. Trump's insults to all and sundry are right out on video for everyone to see, no opinion needed. c. I don't need to feign anything - your last post to me made no sense. A. It appears you're also borrowing some of Trump's rhetorical gymnastics. Are you denying your direct quote? Not owning the "tit-for-tat" argument & trying to pass it off as mine is equally weak. B. It's well documented with audio/video that former Sec. Clinton lied & cheated, regardless whether you acknowledge it. C. Also, echoing the sentiment that my arguments make no sense - the first I've been accused in the almost 15 years I've participated in the board - is predicable.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 20, 2016 1:59:22 GMT
a. The part I bolded is the "tit-for-tat" argument you made, which I refuse to follow because it's not a real argument. b. The big hole which you apparently don't see is that your argument requires me to acknowledge that Hillary lies and cheats - something that is a matter of opinion. Trump's insults to all and sundry are right out on video for everyone to see, no opinion needed. c. I don't need to feign anything - your last post to me made no sense. A. It appears you're also borrowing some of Trump's rhetorical gymnastics. Are you denying your direct quote? Not owning the "tit-for-tat" argument & trying to pass it off as mine is equally weak. B. It's well documented with audio/video that former Sec. Clinton lied & cheated, regardless whether you acknowledge it. Also, echoing the sentiment that my arguments make no sense - the first I've been accused in the almost 15 years I've participated in the board - is predicable. Sec Clinton Cheated on who? (Whom?)
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Post by tincin on Nov 20, 2016 1:59:35 GMT
Oh please, give the deplorables a rest. Since that is pretty much the only thing she said about SOME of the people support the future CGC and on a list of crap he has called everyone else, I think it rates pretty low. In fact, I think the only reason the future CGC and some of his supporters are upset is because the word is larger than two syllables and someone else had to tell them the meaning of it. SaveWow! Your insults dilute your point/message & make assumptions that are untrue. As previously stated, I'm an unaffiliated/independent voter, never mentioned former Sec. Clinton's comment before this thread, & educated. Apparently you can relate to the deplorables then? I see you deleted the "you?" from your thread. Not certain what you are asking, no, I am not unaffiliated. I am a card carrying bleeding heart liberal Democrat and will most likely be for the rest of my life. Am I educated? Yes, I am. Save
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 2:00:38 GMT
What? I'm not blaming anyone for anything, never intended to be condescending in my almost 15 years participating in this community, & apologize for offending you with my posting style. Well, if your apology is sincere, then thank you and I accept. If it's not, then you know exactly what. And not sure what your talking about with the blaming, but that's ok. I'm not interested in circular arguments or going back and forth with a serial arguer. I'm disengaging with you. SaveI respond to your accusations & offer an apology, then you continue to call me names?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 20, 2016 2:05:08 GMT
a. The part I bolded is the "tit-for-tat" argument you made, which I refuse to follow because it's not a real argument. b. The big hole which you apparently don't see is that your argument requires me to acknowledge that Hillary lies and cheats - something that is a matter of opinion. Trump's insults to all and sundry are right out on video for everyone to see, no opinion needed. c. I don't need to feign anything - your last post to me made no sense. A. It appears you're also borrowing some of Trump's rhetorical gymnastics. Are you denying your direct quote? Not owning the "tit-for-tat" argument & trying to pass it off as mine is equally weak. B. It's well documented with audio/video that former Sec. Clinton lied & cheated, regardless whether you acknowledge it. Also, echoing the sentiment that my arguments make no sense - the first I've been accused in the almost 15 years I've participated in the board - is predicable. I don't recall ever engaging with you, I'm curious as to why you would say that my observation of your analogy's were not making sense was predictable. Why?
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 2:06:27 GMT
Wow! Your insults dilute your point/message & make assumptions that are untrue. As previously stated, I'm an unaffiliated/independent voter, never mentioned former Sec. Clinton's comment before this thread, & educated. Apparently you can relate to the deplorables then? Wow! Please explain this latest insult.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 2:07:39 GMT
Well, if your apology is sincere, then thank you and I accept. If it's not, then you know exactly what. And not sure what your talking about with the blaming, but that's ok. I'm not interested in circular arguments or going back and forth with a serial arguer. I'm disengaging with you. SaveI respond to your accusations & offer an apology, then you continue to call me names? I hardly called you names. I gave my opinion on your posting style. Save
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Post by tincin on Nov 20, 2016 2:10:36 GMT
Wow! Your insults dilute your point/message & make assumptions that are untrue. As previously stated, I'm an unaffiliated/independent voter, never mentioned former Sec. Clinton's comment before this thread, & educated. Apparently you can relate to the deplorables then? I see you deleted the "you?" from your thread. Not certain what you are asking, no, I am not unaffiliated. I am a card carrying bleeding heart liberal Democrat and will most likely be for the rest of my life. Am I educated? Yes, I am. SaveYou said you were insulted, I'm guessing because I said, "In fact, I think the only reason the future CGC and some of his supporters are upset is because the word is larger than two syllables and someone else had to tell them the meaning of it." I was referring to the future crotch grabbing commander and SOME of his supporters, you said you were not a supporter, yet you were offended. Apparently you can relate to the deplorables or the future CGC. Save
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 2:11:48 GMT
A. It appears you're also borrowing some of Trump's rhetorical gymnastics. Are you denying your direct quote? Not owning the "tit-for-tat" argument & trying to pass it off as mine is equally weak. B. It's well documented with audio/video that former Sec. Clinton lied & cheated, regardless whether you acknowledge it. Also, echoing the sentiment that my arguments make no sense - the first I've been accused in the almost 15 years I've participated in the board - is predicable. I don't recall ever engaging with you, I'm curious as to why you would say that my observation of your analogy's were not making sense was predictable. Why? My response was to the poster quoted.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 20, 2016 2:16:08 GMT
Did I say that? Are we in kindergarten where "But he diddddd it toooooo!" means something? No, it is not okay in any arena. Broadway, NASCAR, Little League games. Agreed - it's not OK ANYWHERE. Yet how many condemned and got the vapors over the boos that Michelle or Barack have endured for the past 8 years? And again, for the cast, it was COMPLETELY professional to discuss their lives and art during the curtain call. That's what the curtain call is for. And Pence is the VP-Elect who views LGBT lives as undeserving of marriage to the one person that they love. and everyone should agree with you?
take it up with God.
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 20, 2016 2:16:55 GMT
Apparently you can relate to the deplorables then? I see you deleted the "you?" from your thread. Not certain what you are asking, no, I am not unaffiliated. I am a card carrying bleeding heart liberal Democrat and will most likely be for the rest of my life. Am I educated? Yes, I am. SaveYou said you were insulted, I'm guessing because I said, "In fact, I think the only reason the future CGC and some of his supporters are upset is because the word is larger than two syllables and someone else had to tell them the meaning of it." I was referring to the future crotch grabbing commander and SOME of his supporters, you said you were not a supporter, yet you were offended. Apparently you can relate to the deplorables or the future CGC. SaveI never stated that I was personally insulted, rather opined that scolding & insulting people's intelligence distracts your point/message. Apparently that is grounds for you to label me one of the "deplorables."
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Post by Skypea on Nov 20, 2016 2:18:35 GMT
And didn't they boo Obama and heckle him at the State of the Union... hypocrites! They sure did. And one member of Congress even screamed "LIAR!" out loud at the POTUS. What short memories and fluid manners and morals some people have. Saveas I remember it... the congressman was right.
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Post by tincin on Nov 20, 2016 2:20:17 GMT
You said you were insulted, I'm guessing because I said, "In fact, I think the only reason the future CGC and some of his supporters are upset is because the word is larger than two syllables and someone else had to tell them the meaning of it." I was referring to the future crotch grabbing commander and SOME of his supporters, you said you were not a supporter, yet you were offended. Apparently you can relate to the deplorables or the future CGC. SaveI never stated that I was personally insulted, rather opined that scolding & insulting people's intelligence distracts your point/message. Apparently that is grounds for you to label me one of the "deplorables." My apologies, I obviously mistook your meaning. Save
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 2:20:29 GMT
Many people have no need to take anything up with an entity that they don't believe in. And that is their constitutional right. As is the freedom to make a direct and polite statement to the homophobic, misogynistic future VP.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 20, 2016 2:22:22 GMT
Agreed - it's not OK ANYWHERE. Yet how many condemned and got the vapors over the boos that Michelle or Barack have endured for the past 8 years? And again, for the cast, it was COMPLETELY professional to discuss their lives and art during the curtain call. That's what the curtain call is for. And Pence is the VP-Elect who views LGBT lives as undeserving of marriage to the one person that they love. and everyone should agree with you?
take it up with God.
We have taken it to God. God LOVES ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ LGBTQ 🏳️🌈 He loves everyone.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 20, 2016 2:23:07 GMT
And of course our Twitterer-in-Chief is already tweeting about it: I thought the alt-Right HATES the idea of "safe spaces" as being for little whiny liberals. But IOKIYAR, right? You know what else is supposed to be a safe and special place? America. It is supposed to be safe and special FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT LIVES HERE!!! but it isn't, is it? tell that to all of those who have lost family and friends at the hands of illegals in our country. it's a very large number of - citizens.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 20, 2016 2:24:53 GMT
They sure did. And one member of Congress even screamed "LIAR!" out loud at the POTUS. What short memories and fluid manners and morals some people have. Saveas I remember it... the congressman was right. You remember wrong. Good old Joe was not only wrong about his claim, he was also formally admonished by the House.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 20, 2016 2:25:15 GMT
I think it's wrong & participation in their parents' campaign does not justify harassment, whether Eric Trump, Chelsea Clinton, etc. I'd need proof of harassment before having on opinion on whatever it is happened with Eric Trump. If he was actually harassed (I'm doubtful about that), then two wrongs certainly don't make a right. However, the Trumps and their inexplicable defenders need to apologize for their continual, years-long harassment of many that they have come up against. Otherwise, their calls for unity and apology are beyond laughable and mean absolutely nothing. Don't expect what you're not willing to put out there.and those on the left are?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 20, 2016 2:26:12 GMT
You know what else is supposed to be a safe and special place? America. It is supposed to be safe and special FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT LIVES HERE!!! but it isn't, is it? tell that to all of those who have lost family and friends at the hands of illegals in our country. it's a very large number of - citizens. You are making up lies again.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 20, 2016 2:26:56 GMT
I'd need proof of harassment before having on opinion on whatever it is happened with Eric Trump. If he was actually harassed (I'm doubtful about that), then two wrongs certainly don't make a right. However, the Trumps and their inexplicable defenders need to apologize for their continual, years-long harassment of many that they have come up against. Otherwise, their calls for unity and apology are beyond laughable and mean absolutely nothing. Don't expect what you're not willing to put out there.and those on the left are? More so than you.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 20, 2016 2:29:21 GMT
I'm Christian. Evangelical, even. I don't feel unwelcome. But I also don't think Trump or even Pence represents what I believe. If they represent what you believe and you can't articulate a defense, that has less to do with this community and more to do with the moral dilemma that supporting Trump has created for those who believe in Jesus. This bears repeating, especially as I wouldn't want anyone equating Christianity or being a Christian with any of the actions, words or platform of Donald Trump. did you read the article by Jim Garlow? it doesn't sound like either of you have...
His 'platform' - that of the repubs certainly has Christianity covered. the dem's does not even come close.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 20, 2016 2:31:09 GMT
but it isn't, is it? tell that to all of those who have lost family and friends at the hands of illegals in our country. it's a very large number of - citizens. You are making up lies again. like what?
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