peppermintpatty
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Post by peppermintpatty on Mar 22, 2017 18:19:42 GMT
I live in the area, thankfully my kids are in another high school cluster (next to it) but things like this can happen at any school, regardless of who did it. The bigger question here is why were a 17 and 18 year old enrolled as freshman? The kids in the county continue to matriculate but they will then become 5th and 6th year seniors until they can actually graduate. Why are their areas in the school that don't have cameras? Every school in this county has at least one police officer every day, all day.
I do have to say that Rockville HS is a rough school.
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Post by DEX on Mar 22, 2017 18:27:02 GMT
I just went to Google and searched, "girl raped in school in ________(my state). I got 10 hits. None of those results involved immigrants. Your logic is flawed OP.
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Mar 22, 2017 19:09:30 GMT
I live in the area, thankfully my kids are in another high school cluster (next to it) but things like this can happen at any school, regardless of who did it. The bigger question here is why were a 17 and 18 year old enrolled as freshman? The kids in the county continue to matriculate but they will then become 5th and 6th year seniors until they can actually graduate. Why are their areas in the school that don't have cameras? Every school in this county has at least one police officer every day, all day. I do have to say that Rockville HS is a rough school. If I understood the superintendent's remarks correctly they were enrolled as freshmen because they are METS students-they have had interrupted education and aren't ready for the classes for their age level. We have ESOL and METS students at my school as well. Most are with their age-level peers but some are not. It's not such a big deal in middle school but it becomes a bigger discrepancy in high school. I once taught a METS class that had students in all grades from 6-8, but their language abilities and education "timelines " were similar enough that they were grouped together by level not age/grade. And yes, Rockville HS is a rough school.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 19:10:16 GMT
I just went to Google and searched, "girl raped in school in ________(my state). I got 10 hits. None of those results involved immigrants. Your logic is flawed OP. It was reported the 18 y. o. was here illegally. I was watching it on the news yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 19:13:13 GMT
And, he had been arrested for something or another last year in Texas I think but was released with an order to appear in court.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 22, 2017 19:39:49 GMT
I just went to Google and searched, "girl raped in school in ________(my state). I got 10 hits. None of those results involved immigrants. Your logic is flawed OP. It was reported the 18 y. o. was here illegally. I was watching it on the news yesterday. I think she meant that other rapes had occurred that had nothing to do with an illegal immigrant
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 22, 2017 19:41:01 GMT
And, he had been arrested for something or another last year in Texas I think but was released with an order to appear in court. now this is an issue. If he had already been arrested for a violent crime and his immigration status was known, I believe that he should not have been released, but held for trial. If found guilty, he should serve his sentence and be deported.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 19:50:26 GMT
And, he had been arrested for something or another last year in Texas I think but was released with an order to appear in court. now this is an issue. If he had already been arrested for a violent crime and his immigration status was known, I believe that he should not have been released, but held for trial. If found guilty, he should serve his sentence and be deported. I don't know if I heard why he was arrested, or detained, but i know it was reported he was released.
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Post by maryland on Mar 22, 2017 19:53:16 GMT
My daughter's college roommate recently graduated from this high school and she is also from El Salvador. She is the sweetest, smartest girl and I never once felt that my daughter was in any danger being around her. Such horrific crimes happen way to often, and the women (and men) it happens to are often in a place where they should feel safe. It has nothing to do with where the suspect is from. I hope the suspects get help so they never do something like this again. That poor girl!
I had no idea Rockville was a rough school. I grew up in PG County, but have lived in Pgh. for 22 yrs. because of my husband's job. Back when I was growing up, Rockville was a wealthier and safe area. It was a treat to go to White Flint Mall. It makes me sad that the area isn't what it used to be.
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Mar 22, 2017 20:06:34 GMT
My daughter's college roommate recently graduated from this high school and she is also from El Salvador. She is the sweetest, smartest girl and I never once felt that my daughter was in any danger being around her. Such horrific crimes happen way to often, and the women (and men) it happens to are often in a place where they should feel safe. It has nothing to do with where the suspect is from. I hope the suspects get help so they never do something like this again. That poor girl! I had no idea Rockville was a rough school. I grew up in PG County, but have lived in Pgh. for 22 yrs. because of my husband's job. Back when I was growing up, Rockville was a wealthier area. It was a treat to go to White Flint Mall. It makes me sad that the area isn't what it used to be. Rockville HS is just around Lincoln Park-a dicey neighborhood and an older area of Rockville. Most of Rockville is fine-especially as you get closer to Potomac and Bethesda, but that area-not so much. I've driven kids home from school (my boys' friends) who live near/ in the Lincoln Park area or to the rec center in that neighborhood for sports practice and it's been interesting...
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Post by llinin on Mar 22, 2017 20:19:22 GMT
In this particular case, it would not have happened had this illegal immigrant not been here, likely both illegal immigrants. Not speaking to all illegal immigrants, but in this case, it is a shame he (they) was there. I honestly don't understand why an adult illegal immigrant is allowed to enroll in a public school.
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Post by annabella on Mar 22, 2017 20:56:08 GMT
www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/hundreds-converge-on-rockville-high-for-meeting-about-rape-case/2017/03/22/c61e0376-0ef0-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html?"The school has 105 surveillance cameras, but most are not monitored in real time and are used primarily to view incidents after the fact, officials said. The school, with about 1,300 students, has five non-police security staff and one school resource officer." "When you have kids who don’t know English and you put them in with kids who are trying to learn other things, you’re degrading the school system.” from the comments: "Multiple unanimous decisions of the United States Supreme Court require public school systems to admit any child who shows up for school and meets various age and vaccination requirements. Also, the creation of separate schools (not classes) for students who do not speak English would almost certainly be found unconstitutional. Finally, the age limitation in MD for high school did not exclude these criminals. The problem exposed here is that the immigration enforcement agencies and courts are so overwhelmed by the number of cases that predators like these young men avoid deportation for months if not years. It is a horrible situation without any easy answers. I would submit that sentences of life without parole for the perpetrators would at least create the appearance of justice."
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Mar 22, 2017 20:57:07 GMT
In this particular case, it would not have happened had this illegal immigrant not been here, likely both illegal immigrants. Not speaking to all illegal immigrants, but in this case, it is a shame he (they) was there. I honestly don't understand why an adult illegal immigrant is allowed to enroll in a public school. Montgomery County Schools don't collect information about a student's immigration status. They check re:county/cluster residency but that's pretty much it. These students were likely registered because technically they weren't adults at the time they registered for school.
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Post by friendly on Mar 22, 2017 20:59:23 GMT
The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING! Immigration is bad!!!!
I'm terribly sorry for this poor girl but I'm not sure why you felt the need to say no one's covering it but Fox. I heard about it and I wouldn't watch Fox News if you paid me. The story isn't about immigration but about rape. It sounds like just another example of Fox News cherry-picking the stories it covers to forward their and the right-wing's anti-immigrant agenda.
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Post by llinin on Mar 22, 2017 21:05:14 GMT
The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING! Immigration is bad!!!! I'm terribly sorry for this poor girl but I'm not sure why you felt the need to say no one's covering it but Fox. I heard about it and I wouldn't watch Fox News if you paid me. The story isn't about immigration but about rape. It sounds like just another example of Fox News cherry-picking the stories it covers to forward their and the right-wing's anti-immigrant agenda. Making light of the situation with your THE SKY IS FALLING is disgusting. In this case, obviously, illegal immigration was very bad. That poor girl was brutalized. There is no room for making light of it.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 22, 2017 21:19:18 GMT
The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING! Immigration is bad!!!! I'm terribly sorry for this poor girl but I'm not sure why you felt the need to say no one's covering it but Fox. I heard about it and I wouldn't watch Fox News if you paid me. The story isn't about immigration but about rape. It sounds like just another example of Fox News cherry-picking the stories it covers to forward their and the right-wing's anti-immigrant agenda. Making light of the situation with your THE SKY IS FALLING is disgusting. In this case, obviously, illegal immigration was very bad. That poor girl was brutalized. There is no room for making light of it. Any time a girl is raped and brutalized, it is a very bad thing. There's no need for anti-immigration advocates to further exploit the situation just because superficially, it seems to support their unsubstantiated theories. Unsubstantiated, because the reality is, undocumented immigrants are more law-abiding than citizens and legal residents.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 22, 2017 21:30:22 GMT
When citizens like Brock Turner get a meaningful sentence instead of a slap on the wrist, and women aren't continually subject to victim blaming when they report assaults, I'll believe the people running things here actually give a shit about rape. Until then, this is political theater. THIS
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Post by peano on Mar 22, 2017 21:45:50 GMT
As is your "editing" of another person's post. Sort of tone deaf in its similarity to a story in which something has been done to another person without their consent don't you think? Are you going to handslap GaJenny for editing someone elses post too? To equate editing a post to rape is, well I have no words for that level of ridiculous. SaveOy! Actually I WAS responding to the OP, not @gar, because she hadn't posted yet. For some reason when I quoted, it didn't pick up GaJenny's quote, so it made it look like I was handslapping @gar. However, my point gets lost because @gar then "corrected" GaJenny's post. My basic stance is that people should just leave other people's posts the fuck alone. I don't like when rapists impose themselves on others and I don't like when Peas impose themselves upon others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 22:17:00 GMT
Are you going to handslap GaJenny for editing someone elses post too? To equate editing a post to rape is, well I have no words for that level of ridiculous. SaveOy! Actually I WAS responding to the OP, not @gar, because she hadn't posted yet. For some reason when I quoted, it didn't pick up GaJenny's quote, so it made it look like I was handslapping @gar. However, my point gets lost because @gar then "corrected" GaJenny's post. My basic stance is that people should just leave other people's posts the fuck alone. I don't like when rapists impose themselves on others and I don't like when Peas impose themselves upon others. Well then perhaps you should also be against the individual I corrected who made the claim that this incident was a rally cry for anti-immigrant people. Who the fuck is she to assume that anyone up in arms over this incident is anti-immigrant. Her speaking to the thoughts and opinions of others is no different than me correcting her words. Once again, the issue of lawful immigration into this nation and illegal immigration is lost on those who choose to overlook the difference. I'm not anti-immigrant. At all. I have great respect for individuals who come to our nation who follow the fucking LAWS of our nation. We should be following the immigration laws that are already on the books and if changes need to made to those laws, then legislation needs to happen to make those changes.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 22, 2017 22:30:30 GMT
Oy! Actually I WAS responding to the OP, not @gar, because she hadn't posted yet. For some reason when I quoted, it didn't pick up GaJenny's quote, so it made it look like I was handslapping @gar. However, my point gets lost because @gar then "corrected" GaJenny's post. My basic stance is that people should just leave other people's posts the fuck alone. I don't like when rapists impose themselves on others and I don't like when Peas impose themselves upon others. Well then perhaps you should also be against the individual I corrected who made the claim that this incident was a rally cry for anti-immigrant people. Who the fuck is she to assume that anyone up in arms over this incident is anti-immigrant. Her speaking to the thoughts and opinions of others is no different than me correcting her words. Once again, the issue of lawful immigration into this nation and illegal immigration is lost on those who choose to overlook the difference. I'm not anti-immigrant. At all. I have great respect for individuals who come to our nation who follow the fucking LAWS of our nation. We should be following the immigration laws that are already on the books and if changes need to made to those laws, then legislation needs to happen to make those changes. before you throw your temper tantrum, perhaps you should reread the post you are talking about. I said I HOPED it would not become a rally cry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 22:33:22 GMT
Well then perhaps you should also be against the individual I corrected who made the claim that this incident was a rally cry for anti-immigrant people. Who the fuck is she to assume that anyone up in arms over this incident is anti-immigrant. Her speaking to the thoughts and opinions of others is no different than me correcting her words. Once again, the issue of lawful immigration into this nation and illegal immigration is lost on those who choose to overlook the difference. I'm not anti-immigrant. At all. I have great respect for individuals who come to our nation who follow the fucking LAWS of our nation. We should be following the immigration laws that are already on the books and if changes need to made to those laws, then legislation needs to happen to make those changes. before you throw your temper tantrum, perhaps you should reread the post you are talking about. I said I HOPED it would not become a rally cry. There is no temper tantrum. You pointing out your use of HOPED doesn't change the context regarding your broad brush application that people you don't even know are anti-immigrant.
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Post by Sam on Mar 22, 2017 22:54:22 GMT
I find the whole nature of this thread repugnant. Rape is not an issue of immigrant status. It is not an issue of skin colour. It is not an issue of level of education. It is not an issue of class. To make it such, no matter the argument demeans the woman who have been victimised and us as women who should fight against the specific crime without categorising those who commit it. It is a red herring in what should be a uniting fight for all of us against sexual assault, no matter who is guilty. When I get over the whole sick to the stomach feeling this post has given me, I am pretty sure it will take me about 5 seconds to find stats relating to how many illegal immigrants versus how many legal ones commit this heinous crime. In the meantime, I am sure someone else can help out with that! It's only a matter of statistics after all even without empirical data!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 22, 2017 23:05:23 GMT
When citizens like Brock Turner get a meaningful sentence instead of a slap on the wrist, and women aren't continually subject to victim blaming when they report assaults, I'll believe the people running things here actually give a shit about rape. Until then, this is political theater. This exactly. America does not even punish (appropriately or justly) those (white, privileged, wealthy, white) who do commit rape. But they sure will make sure that an immigrant, black, Muslim will be punished 10x worse and longer... ANY rape, no matter who does it is awful/disgusting/horrendous.
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Post by friendly on Mar 22, 2017 23:21:54 GMT
The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING! Immigration is bad!!!! I'm terribly sorry for this poor girl but I'm not sure why you felt the need to say no one's covering it but Fox. I heard about it and I wouldn't watch Fox News if you paid me. The story isn't about immigration but about rape. It sounds like just another example of Fox News cherry-picking the stories it covers to forward their and the right-wing's anti-immigrant agenda. Making light of the situation with your THE SKY IS FALLING is disgusting. In this case, obviously, illegal immigration was very bad. That poor girl was brutalized. There is no room for making light of it. Oh please. Did you read the rest of the post? You know full well I wasn't making light of the crime, just making fun of how Fox News uses stories to further its agenda. If the perpetrator wasn't an illegal alien they never would have reported it. The fact that I even have to explain that makes me concerned about your intellect.
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Post by friendly on Mar 22, 2017 23:25:34 GMT
Oy! Actually I WAS responding to the OP, not @gar, because she hadn't posted yet. For some reason when I quoted, it didn't pick up GaJenny's quote, so it made it look like I was handslapping @gar. However, my point gets lost because @gar then "corrected" GaJenny's post. My basic stance is that people should just leave other people's posts the fuck alone. I don't like when rapists impose themselves on others and I don't like when Peas impose themselves upon others. Well then perhaps you should also be against the individual I corrected who made the claim that this incident was a rally cry for anti-immigrant people. Who the fuck is she to assume that anyone up in arms over this incident is anti-immigrant. Her speaking to the thoughts and opinions of others is no different than me correcting her words. Once again, the issue of lawful immigration into this nation and illegal immigration is lost on those who choose to overlook the difference. I'm not anti-immigrant. At all. I have great respect for individuals who come to our nation who follow the fucking LAWS of our nation. We should be following the immigration laws that are already on the books and if changes need to made to those laws, then legislation needs to happen to make those changes. Nice mouth. Everyone knows exactly why you posted this. You're desperately transparent.
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Post by vspindler on Mar 22, 2017 23:42:21 GMT
Making it an isssue about immigration can actual make things worse for other potential rape victims, by driving those who are here illegally more likely to be victimized as they wont be able to report th crime withou fear of being deported.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Mar 23, 2017 3:10:11 GMT
Seems to me that a segment of the U.S. population is concerned about both illegal immigrant rapists AND men masquerading as transgender women using women's restrooms because it's an opportunity to commit rape. (Sorry, awkward sentence.)
Related: I've noticed a tendency to exaggerate the incidence of false rape charges among people who also tend to subscribe to other persecution-of-the majority tropes. (Ack, worse sentence.)
I find myself wondering about the irony of any intersection of these two groups.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 23, 2017 6:36:39 GMT
All rapes matter.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Mar 23, 2017 8:11:01 GMT
Are you going to handslap GaJenny for editing someone elses post too? To equate editing a post to rape is, well I have no words for that level of ridiculous. SaveOy! Actually I WAS responding to the OP, not @gar, because she hadn't posted yet. For some reason when I quoted, it didn't pick up GaJenny's quote, so it made it look like I was handslapping @gar. However, my point gets lost because @gar then "corrected" GaJenny's post. My basic stance is that people should just leave other people's posts the fuck alone. I don't like when rapists impose themselves on others and I don't like when Peas impose themselves upon others. That's fair. It would avoid some board squabbles too. Anything which enhances board unity as well as promoting clarity/ avoiding unnecessary misunderstanding-
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Post by pyccku on Mar 23, 2017 12:28:38 GMT
Perhaps it would be helpful if people started reporting the national origins and religion of all criminals. So the next time there is a crime, we'll hear how many of them are Christians of Scottish/German/Irish/English/Norwegian etc. descent - and not just hear about it when the brown people or the Muslims commit a crime.
It's interesting that when Brock Turner was on trial, his religion and race weren't really mentioned at all. His wealth and his athletic ability were. Maybe that should change.
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