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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 16:38:38 GMT
of the 14yo girl at school (during school hours) by one confirmed illegal (possibly both illegal immigrants...second cannot be confirmed because he's a juvenile at 17) I see some local news covering it but don't see much on a national level with the exception of Fox. Matthew Bourke, spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said in a statement that a border patrol agent encountered Sanchez in Texas in August. Sanchez was ordered to appear before an immigration judge, Bourke said, but that appearance has not been scheduled. ICE has since lodged an immigration detainer against Sanchez According to court records, Montano, who was charged as an adult, was born in El Salvador, where he lived for 16 years. ICE officials would not discuss Montano's immigration status because he is a juvenile. Jack Smith, superintendent of Montgomery County Public Schools, pushed back against the focus on the immigration status of the accused students. "Some try to make this into an issue of immigration," Smith said at a news conference Tuesday. "We would like to change the conversation." How can the suspects immigration status NOT be an issue? www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-rockville-alleged-rape-20170321-story.html |
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Post by Peal on Mar 22, 2017 16:50:49 GMT
Because they didn't rape her because they are immigrants. They raped her because they are violent assholes.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Mar 22, 2017 16:51:38 GMT
Because a 14 year old girl was raped. Whether legal or not, she will live with this nightmare the rest of her life. I don't think knowing her rapist was in the US legally would make it any better for her. The issue is she was raped, that is the conversation that needs to be talked about. |
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 22, 2017 16:52:23 GMT
I've heard of it and have been discussing it on Facebook. I hope that it does not turn into a witch hunt/rallying cry for the anti immigrant people as this young girl has suffered quite a bit and to constantly see her story being used will likely delay her healing.
There are millions of people here that are undocumented and a very large number of them are not murderers and rapists. There are also probably (not for sure because I don't have statistics, just anecdotal evidence) as many citizens that perpetrate horrific crimes.
All rape is heinous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 16:53:04 GMT
Because they didn't rape her because they are immigrants. They raped her because they are violent assholes. We know for a fact that at least one of them should not have even been in the country. He was detained at the TX border and released. They may be violent assholes but the girl that was raped would NOT have been raped by this one individual had he not been in our country or at her school |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Mar 22, 2017 16:54:16 GMT
I read a stat recently that one American is sexually assaulted every 100 seconds. The fact that this rape was committed by an illegal immigrant is statistically insignificant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 17:00:27 GMT
I've heard of it and have been discussing it on Facebook. I hope that it does not turn into a witch hunt/rallying cry for the anti illegal immigrant people as this young girl has suffered quite a bit and to constantly see her story being used will likely delay her healing. There are millions of people here that are undocumented and a very large number of them are not murderers and rapists. There are also probably (not for sure because I don't have statistics, just anecdotal evidence) as many citizens that perpetrate horrific crimes. All rape is heinous. There...I fixed it for you. |
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Mar 22, 2017 17:01:10 GMT
This story is VERY local to me. This high school is the 《rival》 of the HS our middle school feeds into.
The 2 in question are here illegally. No one knew their immigration status prior this horrific rape.
The issue isn't that she was raped by 2 students here illegally but that she was raped at all in school where she should be safe. To make this an issue of immigration does her a great disservice.
Edited to fix spelling.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Mar 22, 2017 17:01:35 GMT
Because they didn't rape her because they are immigrants. They raped her because they are violent assholes. Exactly. I think it's disgusting that some folks are using this rape as a tool to further their agenda. Save |
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Post by compeateropeator on Mar 22, 2017 17:02:02 GMT
I am being brave and giving my response to the question.  It is not not about immigration but about Rape. What would it be about if the person was not an immigrant (legal or illegal)? That doesn't mean that his immigration status doesn't come into play at some point, but no matter who did it, the horrific Rape is what it is about. I am not sure how you can blame that on immigration. Again, who/what do we blame all the rapes on committed by Americans? Is what state they come from the most important issue or is it that they are a horrible person that needs to dealt with. Do we continue to blame everyone else from that state and assume that they committed that rape because of their residency status? That seems very strange to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 17:03:45 GMT
Because they didn't rape her because they are immigrants. They raped her because they are violent assholes. Exactly. I think it's disgusting that some folks are using this rape as a tool to further their agenda. SaveDisgusting but not surprising unfortunately. Some people will do/use anything to prove that they were right all along. Save |
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Post by gar on Mar 22, 2017 17:04:07 GMT
Your desperation to make this political is revolting and repugnant.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Mar 22, 2017 17:04:27 GMT
I've heard of it and have been discussing it on Facebook. I hope that it does not turn into a witch hunt/rallying cry for the anti illegal immigrant people as this young girl has suffered quite a bit and to constantly see her story being used will likely delay her healing. There are millions of people here that are undocumented and a very large number of them are not murderers and rapists. There are also probably (not for sure because I don't have statistics, just anecdotal evidence) as many citizens that perpetrate horrific crimes. All rape is heinous. There...I fixed it for you. That's rather presumptuous of you. |
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Post by gar on Mar 22, 2017 17:09:32 GMT
Because they didn't rape her because they are immigrants. They raped her because they are violent assholes. We know for a fact that at least one of them should not have even been in the country. He was detained at the TX border and released. They may be violent assholes but the girl that was raped would NOT have been raped by this one individual had he not been a rapist There, I fixed that for you. |
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Post by compeateropeator on Mar 22, 2017 17:12:59 GMT
Because they didn't rape her because they are immigrants. They raped her because they are violent assholes. We know for a fact that at least one of them should not have even been in the country. He was detained at the TX border and released. They may be violent assholes but the girl that was raped would NOT have been raped by this one individual had he not been in our country or at her school No one should be raped. Just as no one should be gunned down by someone from our country who purchased a gun here, who legally should not have. But supposedly incidents like this are about the people who commit the murders and not how they got their weapons. Same thing in my book, multiple issues going on. |
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Post by peano on Mar 22, 2017 17:17:08 GMT
Your desperation to make this political is revolting and repugnant. As is your "editing" of another person's post. Sort of tone deaf in its similarity to a story in which something has been done to another person without their consent don't you think? |
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Post by gar on Mar 22, 2017 17:19:05 GMT
Your desperation to make this political is revolting and repugnant. As is your "editing" of another person's post. Sort of tone deaf in its similarity to a story in which something has been done to another person without their consent don't you think? No I don't. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 22, 2017 17:21:10 GMT
When citizens like Brock Turner get a meaningful sentence instead of a slap on the wrist, and women aren't continually subject to victim blaming when they report assaults, I'll believe the people running things here actually give a shit about rape. Until then, this is political theater.
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Post by peano on Mar 22, 2017 17:22:54 GMT
As is your "editing" of another person's post. Sort of tone deaf in its similarity to a story in which something has been done to another person without their consent don't you think? No I don't. I actually wasn't directing this at you, but rather the OP. But then you chose to comment on the original "editing" by editing so... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 17:24:02 GMT
Your desperation to make this political is revolting and repugnant. As is your "editing" of another person's post. Sort of tone deaf in its similarity to a story in which something has been done to another person without their consent don't you think? Are you going to handslap GaJenny for editing someone elses post too? To equate editing a post to rape is, well I have no words for that level of ridiculous. Save |
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Post by elaine on Mar 22, 2017 17:28:44 GMT
Because they didn't rape her because they are immigrants. They raped her because they are violent assholes. Exactly. I think it's disgusting that some folks are using this rape as a tool to further their agenda. SaveWhich is exactly why I didn't bring this here to the board, even though I have heard quite a bit about it on the local news. I knew exactly how some people would respond and that it would sicken me. |
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 22, 2017 17:29:11 GMT
This story is VERY local to me. This high school is the 《rival》 of the HS our middle school feeds into. The 2 in question are here illegally. No one knew their immigration status prior this horrific rape. The issue isn't that she was raped by 2 students here illegally but that she was raped at all in school where she should be safe. To make this an issue of immigration does her a great disservice.Edited to fix spelling. I'm sorry your community is dealing with this horrific story and agree with the bolded 100%. SaveSave |
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Post by Country Ham on Mar 22, 2017 17:29:38 GMT
I read a stat recently that one American is sexually assaulted every 100 seconds. The fact that this rape was committed by an illegal immigrant is statistically insignificant. But if you commit one crime, while in the process of committing a different crime doesn't that "add up" so to speak. Make the punishment harsher? |
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Post by trollie on Mar 22, 2017 17:32:20 GMT
@gajenny you can make the rapist's immigration status an issue when you provide a statistic of how many rapists are here illegally compared to how many rapists are US citizens.
That aside, using this girl's rape to prove a political point is gross.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 22, 2017 17:37:02 GMT
I am sorry a 14yo girl was raped, and was raped at school, which should be a safe place for her. Of course, some illegal immigrants commit crimes here. Statistically speaking, they are far less criminal than our own homegrown assholes. Cherry-picking a few violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants is ridiculous. It minimizes the gravity of the many (more) violent crimes committed by citizens and legal residents, and further stigmatizes (undeservedly) a population that is already victimized in many ways. I wish you were as concerned about how ethnically-Latino American citizens and legal residents are treated by people who feel much the same as you appear to: California waiter requires Latina women to show proof of residency before he will serve them - salon.com
And, as always ... "illegal" is not a noun. These people may be in this country illegally, but they are people, not "illegals." |
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Post by pondrunner on Mar 22, 2017 17:39:19 GMT
I know that girl at Stanford was raped by a white kid and the media reported on his swimming times
So let's not pretend this is an illegal immigrant issue
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Post by peagia13 on Mar 22, 2017 17:39:38 GMT
This young woman was failed by two supposed levels of protection--the security of the country she lives in and her school.
Not once but twice.
Being raped is horrid.
Being raped by someone who passed through not one but two levels of protection without detection is extra horrid.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 22, 2017 17:50:03 GMT
This young woman was failed by two supposed levels of protection--the security of the country she lives in and her school. Not once but twice. Being raped is horrid. Being raped by someone who passed through not one but two levels of protection without detection is extra horrid. I'll respectfully have to disagree. Could you say to a rape victim "well, at least you weren't raped by an undocumented immigrant, so it isn't as horrid as it could have been."  The crime here is rape. SaveSave |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Mar 22, 2017 17:57:58 GMT
This young woman was failed by two supposed levels of protection--the security of the country she lives in and her school. Not once but twice. Being raped is horrid. Being raped by someone who passed through not one but two levels of protection without detection is extra horrid. Somehow I don't think those who were raped by citizens are thinking, "Well, at least I wasn't raped by an illegal immigrant". ETA bc2ca and I seem to be on the same wavelength. |
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Post by Horse scrap on Mar 22, 2017 18:05:09 GMT
I know that girl at Stanford was raped by a white kid and the media reported on his swimming times So let's not pretend this is an illegal immigrant issue Amen!!
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