Country Ham
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Post by Country Ham on Mar 23, 2017 13:03:42 GMT
Because a 14 year old girl was raped. Whether legal or not, she will live with this nightmare the rest of her life. I don't think knowing her rapist was in the US legally would make it any better for her. The issue is she was raped, that is the conversation that needs to be talked about. Of course not. Several of you made this point. Thing is though, a victim of any crime.. rape, murder, assault etc will look at the person who committed it very closely. You can't tell me that the loved ones of the victims, or the victims themselves would not entertain the thought that the person shouldn't of been in the country to be begin with. I don't think illegal immigrants pose more of a threat to committing crimes, but you can't ignore the whole of the person when they do commit one. If my daughter was raped, murdered etc by someone in the country illegally it is an important fact.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 23, 2017 14:06:33 GMT
Perhaps it would be helpful if people started reporting the national origins and religion of all criminals. So the next time there is a crime, we'll hear how many of them are Christians of Scottish/German/Irish/English/Norwegian etc. descent - and not just hear about it when the brown people or the Muslims commit a crime. It's interesting that when Brock Turner was on trial, his religion and race weren't really mentioned at all. His wealth and his athletic ability were. Maybe that should change. x a million! Poor Brock, the naive, sweet boy-next-door from Ohio was thrown into the liberal California culture and suffered a few minutes of confusion. His victim so eloquently let us know the horror she experienced and it wasn't enough to overcome holding him truly responsible. SaveSave
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Post by gar on Mar 23, 2017 14:35:46 GMT
Perhaps it would be helpful if people started reporting the national origins and religion of all criminals. So the next time there is a crime, we'll hear how many of them are Christians of Scottish/German/Irish/English/Norwegian etc. descent - and not just hear about it when the brown people or the Muslims commit a crime. It's interesting that when Brock Turner was on trial, his religion and race weren't really mentioned at all. His wealth and his athletic ability were. Maybe that should change. Perfect summary.
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casii
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Post by casii on Mar 23, 2017 14:44:10 GMT
I live up the road from this mess. Locals will know what that means. I don't think for one hot minute that we need to coop it as a political event nor excuse the brutality of it. The rapists should be tried to the full extent of the law as ALL rapists should be regardless of status. But it's not political and shouldn't be used for a political argument.
My DD goes to college in Salisbury and when a girl was raped in a high school there, no one politicized it. It was awful. It was horrific. It wasn't political.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 23, 2017 17:16:06 GMT
Because a 14 year old girl was raped. Whether legal or not, she will live with this nightmare the rest of her life. I don't think knowing her rapist was in the US legally would make it any better for her. The issue is she was raped, that is the conversation that needs to be talked about. Of course not. Several of you made this point. Thing is though, a victim of any crime.. rape, murder, assault etc will look at the person who committed it very closely. You can't tell me that the loved ones of the victims, or the victims themselves would not entertain the thought that the person shouldn't of been in the country to be begin with. I don't think illegal immigrants pose more of a threat to committing crimes, but you can't ignore the whole of the person when they do commit one. If my daughter was raped, murdered etc by someone in the country illegally it is an important fact. That may be true, but exploiting the fact of his "illegal" status for political purposes and casting that "criminal/rapist" shadow over every illegal immigrant is still unnecessary, unhelpful, and really, pretty dishonest.
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Post by loco coco on Mar 23, 2017 17:29:02 GMT
I think the school did a horrible job handling this, almost seems like they were trying to cover it up the first few days. I did not realize 18 year olds without any school records would be allowed to start freshman year of highschool with everyone else. You're taking someone from an unknown background, never in our schools, and throwing them in with the freshman population. In this case, its an adult male with 14 year old girls. That is not ok
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Post by *leslie* on Mar 23, 2017 18:49:21 GMT
This is so awful.
Illegal immigration is not an issue for me. I mean I live in an area that has the most illegal immigration. It's just a way of life here.
Why was an adult placed as a freshman? So the guy goes to school and graduates in four years at 22? 22 year old going to school with 14 year olds? Wow any predator that looks young enough could enroll in high school.
The district superintendent said they are not allowed to ask for documentation. Does that mean even a birth certificate? We have to have a birth certificate and immunization records to enroll our kids. How do they know these guys are even the ages they say they are? I don't see these guys bringing their birth certificates with them when they enter the country illegally.
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Post by *leslie* on Mar 23, 2017 18:54:50 GMT
The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING! Immigration is bad!!!! I'm terribly sorry for this poor girl but I'm not sure why you felt the need to say no one's covering it but Fox. I heard about it and I wouldn't watch Fox News if you paid me. The story isn't about immigration but about rape. It sounds like just another example of Fox News cherry-picking the stories it covers to forward their and the right-wing's anti-immigrant agenda. Do you know the difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration?
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Post by friendly on Mar 23, 2017 19:09:58 GMT
The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING! Immigration is bad!!!! I'm terribly sorry for this poor girl but I'm not sure why you felt the need to say no one's covering it but Fox. I heard about it and I wouldn't watch Fox News if you paid me. The story isn't about immigration but about rape. It sounds like just another example of Fox News cherry-picking the stories it covers to forward their and the right-wing's anti-immigrant agenda. Do you know the difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration? No, I'm an idiot. Please explain it to me? <extreme sarcasm>
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 19:43:38 GMT
Why do so many continue to say people are anti-immigration when it is repeatedly said the issue is illegal immigration. It continues to be ignored over, and over, and over.
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pudgygroundhog
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Mar 23, 2017 19:57:11 GMT
Why do so many continue to say people are anti-immigration when it is repeatedly said the issue is illegal immigration. It continues to be ignored over, and over, and over. I think part of the problem is when members of the administration have clearly stated they are anti-immigration in general (look up past interviews with Bannon and Sessions, they have not been shy in sharing their beliefs on this). And while I would assume most people on this board distinguish between the two, I've seen enough hate directed at non-white people in general (IRL - not really this board except for a few fringe lunatics), that for a certain segment of the population immigration status doesn't matter. But I agree, people should continue to distinguish between the two. And I object to cherry picking new stories and using the rape of a 14 year old girl to further a political agenda. This plays into the rhetoric of Trump and his administration that have spouted lies about illegal immigrants and used this as a convenient way to rally a certain segment of their supporters (they are taking your jobs, they are rapists and criminals, they are all living on welfare, they are destroying America). ETA: Instead of the constant fear mongering and stout refusal to look at statistics and numbers, I wish we could have real conversations about how we tackle illegal immigration and the underlying issues driving it (jobs and economy are a big factor of that discussion)
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Post by lucyg on Mar 23, 2017 20:01:28 GMT
Why do so many continue to say people are anti-immigration when it is repeatedly said the issue is illegal immigration. It continues to be ignored over, and over, and over. People keep saying that. But then there are so many stories like the one I linked on page one of this thread. The reality doesn't seem to be that people are distinguishing very well. And I have the same question I always have in these threads. There is virtually no avenue for legal immigration of unskilled or semi-skilled workers from south of the border. You basically have to have family here already that's willing to be financially responsible for you, and then maybe wait for years to be allowed to come. And yet, our economy, especially in the border states, is dependent on immigrant labor. If you don't want to pay $8 for a head of lettuce, or maybe not be able to find lettuce at all, how do you propose to do it without illegal immigrant labor? Maybe Congress would like to get on this one? ha haha haha How do you people balance these two opposing facts in your head? We can't really function without them, but we're totally cool with blaming society's ills on them? "Legal" immigration would be a wonderful thing. If it actually existed.
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carhoch
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Post by carhoch on Mar 23, 2017 20:06:27 GMT
Fox news made a Very big deal of this story because of the illegal status of the attacker and only because of it , where is their outrage when good old American boy rape high school girls I am sure that it happen every day but they never talk about it .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 20:08:35 GMT
Why do so many continue to say people are anti-immigration when it is repeatedly said the issue is illegal immigration. It continues to be ignored over, and over, and over. People keep saying that. But then there are so many stories like the one I linked on page one of this thread. The reality doesn't seem to be that people are distinguishing very well. And I have the same question I always have in these threads. There is virtually no avenue for legal immigration of unskilled or semi-skilled workers from south of the border. You basically have to have family here already that's willing to be financially responsible for you, and then maybe wait for years to be allowed to come. And yet, our economy, especially in the border states, is dependent on immigrant labor. If you don't want to pay $8 for a head of lettuce, or maybe not be able to find lettuce at all, how do you propose to do it without illegal immigrant labor? Maybe Congress would like to get on this one? ha haha haha How do you people balance these two opposing facts in your head? We can't really function without them, but we're totally cool with blaming society's ills on them? "Legal" immigration would be a wonderful thing. If it actually existed. I agree with you and pudgygroundhog. However, I'm talking about people here, at 2Peas, in several posts just on this thread--have said illegal immigration, but then anti-immigration keeps being repeated. If someone said they were anti-immigration, they should be responded to with that in mind. But the same should be done when it's said illegal immigration is their issue.
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Post by friendly on Mar 23, 2017 20:23:17 GMT
Why do so many continue to say people are anti-immigration when it is repeatedly said the issue is illegal immigration. It continues to be ignored over, and over, and over. I think a lot of people in this country are against both legal and illegal immigration. I'm not ignoring or confusing anything.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 23, 2017 21:57:09 GMT
Fox news made a Very big deal of this story because of the illegal status of the attacker and only because of it , where is their outrage when good old American boy rape high school girls I am sure that it happen every day but they never talk about it . I am asking this because I really don't know, but did Fox report on the gang rape of the 15 year old girl on FB? People were watching it and no one reported it. While any rape is heinous, the rape on FB was live streamed. So tragic.
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carhoch
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Post by carhoch on Mar 23, 2017 22:00:36 GMT
Fox news made a Very big deal of this story because of the illegal status of the attacker and only because of it , where is their outrage when good old American boy rape high school girls I am sure that it happen every day but they never talk about it . I am asking this because I really don't know, but did Fox report on the gang rape of the 15 year old girl on FB? People were watching it and no one reported it. While any rape is heinous, the rape on FB was live streamed. So tragic. I don't know 🤷♀️
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 22:16:22 GMT
Why do so many continue to say people are anti-immigration when it is repeatedly said the issue is illegal immigration. It continues to be ignored over, and over, and over. I think a lot of people in this country are against both legal and illegal immigration. I'm not ignoring or confusing anything. Think whatever you want, but when numerous people continually say they have an issue with illegal immigration, yet you continue to say anti-immigration, you're obviously not confused--you've chosen to put your spin on their words.
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Post by friendly on Mar 23, 2017 22:24:10 GMT
I think a lot of people in this country are against both legal and illegal immigration. I'm not ignoring or confusing anything. Think whatever you want, but when numerous people continually say they have an issue with illegal immigration, yet you continue to say anti-immigration, you're obviously not confused--you've chosen to put your spin on their words. Oh brother. I can't even figure out what that means. Think whatever you'd like, whatever that is.
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Post by pierogi on Mar 23, 2017 22:25:07 GMT
I think a lot of people in this country are against both legal and illegal immigration. I'm not ignoring or confusing anything. Think whatever you want, but when numerous people continually say they have an issue with illegal immigration, yet you continue to say anti-immigration, you're obviously not confused--you've chosen to put your spin on their words. When representatives like GOP congressman Steve King goes on record saying "We're not going to restore our civilization with someone else's babies," his stance is quite clear, and I take him at his word. No need for spin at all.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 23, 2017 22:28:55 GMT
As a reminder, thanks to ICE fears, rape reports in the Los Angeles Latinx community are down 25% this year (a figure not reflected in other demographic groups in the city). Stoking animosity towards undocumented immigrants decreases, not increases, safety and justice.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Mar 23, 2017 22:34:08 GMT
I think a lot of people in this country are against both legal and illegal immigration. I'm not ignoring or confusing anything. Think whatever you want, but when numerous people continually say they have an issue with illegal immigration, yet you continue to say anti-immigration, you're obviously not confused--you've chosen to put your spin on their words. Speculation: I think some people are intentionally writing "anti-immigration" with the belief that there are people who actually are anti-all-immigration or anti-immigration from some countries and cultures, but I suspect that a lot of people who write or say "anti-immigration are just using a shorthand and don't intend what you're inferring. I wouldn't be surprised if I've been guilty. "Anti-illegal immigration" is quite a mouthful. (speaking of mouthfuls, that was a really long sentence but I'm on my phone and in a hurry.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 22:44:49 GMT
Think whatever you want, but when numerous people continually say they have an issue with illegal immigration, yet you continue to say anti-immigration, you're obviously not confused--you've chosen to put your spin on their words. Oh brother. I can't even figure out what that means. Think whatever you'd like, whatever that is. Oh brother. I'll break it down for you. YOU said (bold mine): " I think a lot of people in this country are against both legal and illegal immigration. I'm not ignoring or confusing anything." And then I said (bold mine) " Think whatever you want" To which I said, twice at that point in this thread, that I'm referring to people here, on 2PEAS, interchanging or choosing to ignore people when they say they take issue with ILLEGAL immigration and they're not ANTI-immigration. When representatives like GOP congressman Steve King goes on record saying "We're not going to restore our civilization with someone else's babies," his stance is quite clear, and I take him at his word. No need for spin at all. Again, I'm talking about people here on 2Peas. Does it not matter what people write here? Because some douche--Steve King in your example, talks that crap, it doesn't mean that every single republican/conservative that take issue with illegal immigration are anti-immigration.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 22:52:12 GMT
Think whatever you want, but when numerous people continually say they have an issue with illegal immigration, yet you continue to say anti-immigration, you're obviously not confused--you've chosen to put your spin on their words. Speculation: I think some people are intentionally writing "anti-immigration" with the belief that there are people who actually are anti-all-immigration or anti-immigration from some countries and cultures, but I suspect that a lot of people who write or say "anti-immigration are just using a shorthand and don't intend what you're inferring. I wouldn't be surprised if I've been guilty. "Anti-illegal immigration" is quite a mouthful. (speaking of mouthfuls, that was a really long sentence but I'm on my phone and in a hurry.) Bold is mine. I agree because I do think it's being done intentionally by some. It gets frustrating when I've seen people repeatedly try to be clear there is a difference, that they don't have an issue with immigrants here legally, but their statements are ignored.
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Post by georgiabeachbum on Mar 23, 2017 23:16:29 GMT
No but if they weren't here, it wouldn't have happened.
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Mar 23, 2017 23:25:32 GMT
For anyone who believes this incident isn't being used to ignite the anti-immigration cry, please read the message the Superintendent of MCPS sent to parents and staff today (bold mine):
Dear MCPS Community:
As you may have heard or read, a serious incident occurred at Rockville High School on March 16, 2017. While I can’t share many details because it is an ongoing police investigation, I can share that the incident involves allegations of rape and the arrest of two students.
The allegations presented in the charging documents are horrible and unacceptable. They do not represent the positive values of our students and school communities. Our thoughts are with the student who reported the incident and her family. Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) is committed to supporting them through these difficult times.
Please know that our school staff immediately contacted the Montgomery County Police Department (MCPD) once they were informed about the alleged sexual assault. MCPS continues to fully cooperate with MCPD and the Montgomery County State’s Attorney’s Office on this matter.
While I know this tragic incident has become part of a national political debate, I want to remind community members that the lives of real students have been forever affected. While many have chosen to engage civilly in the conversation, far too many have crossed the line with racist, xenophobic calls and emails. MCPS is working with law enforcement to identify those who are making threats toward our students and schools. This behavior will not be tolerated in our community.
Rockville High School staff, with the support of the MCPS administration, are working closely with their community to heal after this tragedy. Tuesday night, the Rockville High School Parent Teacher Student Association held a meeting where police and school representatives provided an update on the investigation, school security and MCPS policies. The community used this opportunity to express their concerns and ask questions of the principal, law enforcement and MCPS staff.
Watch the video of the Meeting
In addition to the questions we heard last night, we have received many questions from community members seeking to learn more about our policies. To help answer these questions we have created a web page that includes information and resources about our system policies; frequently asked questions and more. We will continue to update the page as more information becomes available.
MCPS is committed to the safety and security of our students and schools. In the coming days, we will share more about our efforts to ensure the safety of every student in our 204 schools.
Respectfully,
Jack R. Smith
Superintendent of Schools
The school needed the police there this morning to help with security because of the phone calls and messages being sent. It's crazy.
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Post by elaine on Mar 24, 2017 0:52:29 GMT
No but if they weren't here, it wouldn't have happened. And if James Jackson weren't here, the murder of an innocent American in NYC wouldn't have happened. What would you suggest we have done to prevent his killing spree which happened around the same time? link
Maybe we should deport all Army Vets? (sarcasm from a military wife, in case it wasn't obvious)
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Post by georgiabeachbum on Mar 24, 2017 0:55:24 GMT
No but if they weren't here, it wouldn't have happened. And if James Jackson weren't here, the murder of an innocent American in NYC wouldn't have happened. What would you suggest we have done to prevent his killing spree which happened around the same time? link
Maybe we should deport all Army Vets? (sarcasm from a military wife, in case it wasn't obvious) Obviously we can't prevent all crimes. But this could have been prevented. I'm NOT against LEGAL immigration. Both of my grandparents came through Ellis Island. The legal way.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 24, 2017 1:04:41 GMT
And if James Jackson weren't here, the murder of an innocent American in NYC wouldn't have happened. What would you suggest we have done to prevent his killing spree which happened around the same time? link
Maybe we should deport all Army Vets? (sarcasm from a military wife, in case it wasn't obvious) Obviously we can't prevent all crimes. But this could have been prevented. I'm NOT against LEGAL immigration. Both of my grandparents came through Ellis Island. The legal way. Please tell me the legal way for Mexican workers to come here to work. Because I know we need them and want them here to work, but apparently we don't want to let them come legally.
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Post by georgiabeachbum on Mar 24, 2017 1:10:25 GMT
Maybe they can't. Just because I want to move to another county doesn't mean I can just do it.
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