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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 25, 2017 0:10:13 GMT
This pretty much sums up your post... Now apply this to your posts and we have a winner. But I will be interested to see your response to the question you were asked. Exactly! Lol funny how it works!!
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Post by hop2 on Apr 25, 2017 0:11:40 GMT
#2, #6, #7, #9, and #10 all apply, in my opinion. Wow- that's scary. I'd add #3 & #4
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Post by flanz on Apr 25, 2017 0:12:08 GMT
yes, but- the real 'argument' (or topic, in this case) is: Trump's incoherent, rambling interview, linked in the original post. Okay, here is a very direct question, to see if that helps any: @mytnice : What is your opinion on the thread topic? ? ? Which is, again, Trump's rambling, incoherent interview answers. Just curious. Since that is what this thread is about. I am curious to know what your opinion OF THAT TOPIC is. Really! me too!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 25, 2017 0:15:13 GMT
Now apply this to your posts and we have a winner. But I will be interested to see your response to the question you were asked. I did not and do not chastise anyone for arguments they aren't actually making. Which is what papercrafteradvocate did and what I was responding to. You talk just like Trump does in this interview. You didn't answer anything from my post, and instead posted a meme trying to discredit and make fun of me. Your typical response when someone else makes a valid and correct point you can't argue.
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Post by flanz on Apr 25, 2017 0:15:43 GMT
I've only gotten this far, and wow. Holy hell. And while I'm at it, OMFG. I have yet to read the whole interview because I think I have to brace myself for it. If it gets no better or even worse, it further scares me that he is "in charge". ETA that and the fact that the interviews I've read of his in the past are so hard to follow it hurts my brain. Ramble aimlessly much?! Holy hell and OMFG indeed. as hard and awful as it is, i think we all need to read it, to "know" what he's like, how handicapped he is. And we need to show it to others.
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Post by PLurker on Apr 25, 2017 0:20:37 GMT
I read. And will have to re-read. Wow. I'm not sure the audio would even clear it up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 0:35:32 GMT
I did not and do not chastise anyone for arguments they aren't actually making. Which is what papercrafteradvocate did and what I was responding to. You talk just like Trump does in this interview. You didn't answer anything from my post, and instead posted a meme trying to discredit and make fun of me. Your typical response when someone else makes a valid and correct point you can't argue. I'll try again... This is what you said: No one has argued in favor of what he said, least of all, me. No one is defending him saying that. No one. For you to make the argument as if anyone did, is a straw man argument.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 0:39:37 GMT
I'm not a republican, I'm not a democrat and I didn't vote for either Trump or Hilary. There were three main Republican's that called people names. All three of them are gone but a few people here continue to call out anyone they think voted for Trump or that are here continue to high five themselves and mean girl anyone that doesn't jump on their Trump hate bandwagon. I didn't vote for Trump and I think he is a horrible president. But I don't need five or six threads every single day discussing him. People have left the board not because they are snowflakes, they have left the board because they have decided they don't like the change in the board. Good for them, they aren't sitting here in misery like some others we see and have to hear from day after day after day. Instead of mocking them, it's too bad others can't admire them for not falling into the hate and name calling that is still going on. As far as I know there is no requirement that if you want to post on this board you must read every single post on every single political thread. That very reason takes the steam out of yours and others argument that people are leaving because of how they perceive they are treated on the political threads. Back when there were a lot of Obama did this threads I knew everytime I would open thread and venture an opinion it would be thrown right back at me. At first it was somewhat painful and I found myself posting and running out of that thread never to return because I knew I was about to get slammed for my opinion. Then I thought screw it and decided that I'm voicing my opinion and if people like it good if they don't that it I may not like it but it's ok as well as it's their choice. And the reason I kept going back was because I believed in most of what President Obama and Hillary did. Enough to walk into the lion's den so to speak to defend it when I felt that it was needed. And that is what is missing with trump. A lot of people believing in what he is doing enough to defend it. It's either because they know they can't defend trump or they don't believe in him enough to make an attempt to defend his actions. Bottom line, people leave this board for all kinds of reasons. And if they say it's because of the political threads I think they are pulling one's leg for the simple reason no one forcing them to read the political threads in the first place.
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Post by pyccku on Apr 25, 2017 0:51:59 GMT
And that is what is missing with trump. A lot of people believing in what he is doing enough to defend it. It's either because they know they can't defend trump or they don't believe in him enough to make an attempt to defend his actions.
Bottom line, people leave this board for all kinds of reasons. And if they say it's because of the political threads I think they are pulling one's leg for the simple reason no one forcing them to read the political threads in the first place. Well, if you consider that some people voted for Trump only because "he's not Hillary" it makes more sense. If someone voted for him for that reason, no matter what he says or does really matters. In the end, so long as he's not Hillary (and he never will be), he's doing what he wanted them to do. He may not be able to speak in coherent sentences - but he's not Hillary. He may not know where our fleets are - but he's not Hillary. He may take away your health care and your family may end up bankrupt - but he's not Hillary. He may destroy the environment and send us back to pre-EPA levels of pollution - but he's not Hillary. He may dismantle public education entirely - but he's not Hillary. He may take his orders directly from Putin himself - but he's not Hillary. He may start WW3 and destroy us all - but he's not Hillary. So long as that's your only criteria, it really doesn't matter what he does. SaveSave
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 25, 2017 0:59:09 GMT
You talk just like Trump does in this interview. You didn't answer anything from my post, and instead posted a meme trying to discredit and make fun of me. Your typical response when someone else makes a valid and correct point you can't argue. I'll try again... This is what you said: No one has argued in favor of what he said, least of all, me. No one is defending him saying that. No one. For you to make the argument as if anyone did, is a straw man argument. And again, I wasn't straw man whatever --- nor was I stating that anyone was making the other side, it's clear that I was challenging, thus the "try it" and "I dare you" (not the same as saying someone did) you/anyone to take that side of the coin, to show how ridiculous it would be--although, come to think about it--on the other thread you did say that the "diss" on Trump for congratulating the dismembered soldier was a petty one. And you totally ignored the rest of my post.
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Post by jennyap on Apr 25, 2017 1:08:56 GMT
What exactly were 2Peas members, that were Obama supporters/voters, called and what kind of hateful rhetoric was directed at them? I didn't participate in any political threads before this election. What I've seen referenced from reading this time around is "libtards" which is awful in and of itself. Was there more? Dead weight. Traitors. Leeches. Subservient. Communists. Fascists. Irresponsible. Lazy. Whiners. Stupid. Freeloaders. Drains on society. Greedy. Thieves. Selfish, virtue-less and immoral. Extremists. Nazis. Harpies. Almost all of those were lifted from a single thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 1:40:18 GMT
I'm not a republican, I'm not a democrat and I didn't vote for either Trump or Hilary. There were three main Republican's that called people names. All three of them are gone but a few people here continue to call out anyone they think voted for Trump or that are here continue to high five themselves and mean girl anyone that doesn't jump on their Trump hate bandwagon. I didn't vote for Trump and I think he is a horrible president. But I don't need five or six threads every single day discussing him. People have left the board not because they are snowflakes, they have left the board because they have decided they don't like the change in the board. Good for them, they aren't sitting here in misery like some others we see and have to hear from day after day after day. Instead of mocking them, it's too bad others can't admire them for not falling into the hate and name calling that is still going on. As far as I know there is no requirement that if you want to post on this board you must read every single post on every single political thread. That very reason takes the steam out of yours and others argument that people are leaving because of how they perceive they are treated on the political threads. Back when there were a lot of Obama did this threads I knew everytime I would open thread and venture an opinion it would be thrown right back at me. At first it was somewhat painful and I found myself posting and running out of that thread never to return because I knew I was about to get slammed for my opinion. Then I thought screw it and decided that I'm voicing my opinion and if people like it good if they don't that it I may not like it but it's ok as well as it's their choice. And the reason I kept going back was because I believed in most of what President Obama and Hillary did. Enough to walk into the lion's den so to speak to defend it when I felt that it was needed. And that is what is missing with trump. A lot of people believing in what he is doing enough to defend it. It's either because they know they can't defend trump or they don't believe in him enough to make an attempt to defend his actions. Bottom line, people leave this board for all kinds of reasons. And if they say it's because of the political threads I think they are pulling one's leg for the simple reason no one forcing them to read the political threads in the first place. It's because they WANT to participate just like YOU want to. It's because they are repeatedly told they're wrong. Even when they have the facts to back it up, those facts are dismissed. It's because they are personally attacked and piled on. It's because their reputation is being ruined here for standing up for their beliefs or their character that's being assassinated. It's because they see it happen to others and know their opinion and facts ARE NOT TOLERATED HERE, so why bother being here.There is no requirement to post on this board, but that's not a valid excuse for piling on and beating down anyone with the "wrong" viewpoint. It creates an echo chamber where all you hear are people in agreement with each other. To keep ignoring that and/or making excuses for it just says that's what you want.
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Post by shescrafty on Apr 25, 2017 1:44:12 GMT
Gia-you "yelling" and making your font big does not make you right. It makes you desperate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 1:45:09 GMT
I'll try again... This is what you said: No one has argued in favor of what he said, least of all, me. No one is defending him saying that. No one. For you to make the argument as if anyone did, is a straw man argument. And again, I wasn't straw man whatever --- nor was I stating that anyone was making the other side, it's clear that I was challenging, thus the "try it" and "I dare you" (not the same as saying someone did) you/anyone to take that side of the coin, to show how ridiculous it would be--although, come to think about it--on the other thread you did say that the "diss" on Trump for congratulating the dismembered soldier was a petty one. And you totally ignored the rest of my post. Why would you want anyone to take that challenge? No one disagrees that it was the wrong thing to say. The fact that you issued that challenge IS A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT. It's the equivalent to arguing that we are Pea Refugees. NO ONE DISAGREES.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 1:45:59 GMT
What exactly were 2Peas members, that were Obama supporters/voters, called and what kind of hateful rhetoric was directed at them? I didn't participate in any political threads before this election. What I've seen referenced from reading this time around is "libtards" which is awful in and of itself. Was there more? Dead weight. Traitors. Leeches. Subservient. Communists. Fascists. Irresponsible. Lazy. Whiners. Stupid. Freeloaders. Drains on society. Greedy. Thieves. Selfish, virtue-less and immoral. Extremists. Nazis. Harpies. Almost all of those were lifted from a single thread. Is that from this board or the old board?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 1:46:39 GMT
Gia-you "yelling" and making your font big does not make you right. It makes you desperate. You do what you have to do when no one is listening.
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Post by shescrafty on Apr 25, 2017 1:49:22 GMT
Gia-you "yelling" and making your font big does not make you right. It makes you desperate. You do what you have to do when no one is listening. That is ridiculous. When people start "shouting" it seems like they know they are wrong but are just digging in. I intentionally scrolled right past what you wrote and only read what was written in a normal size. It is like when Trump talks over people because he doesn't have a clue how to respond. Which is more along the point of the OP.
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Post by inkedup on Apr 25, 2017 1:59:32 GMT
Dead weight. Traitors. Leeches. Subservient. Communists. Fascists. Irresponsible. Lazy. Whiners. Stupid. Freeloaders. Drains on society. Greedy. Thieves. Selfish, virtue-less and immoral. Extremists. Nazis. Harpies. Almost all of those were lifted from a single thread. Is that from this board or the old board? Does it matter? I'm so sick and tired of hearing about these poor little conservatives who were run off by liberals with pitchforks. It's funny that you claim to be all about sticking up for the little guy, but I don't recall you ever stepping in to tell Lauren, Skypea and Rainbow to stop their hateful remarks. I sat through 8 years of birther and prepper bullshit, of hearing about how "unclassy" the Ivy League educated First Lady was, hearing that Obama was the antichrist and so on. I got called bitter, whiny, and a bunch of worse things one one thread alone. And I don't recall you coming to defend me or my right to my opinions, not even once. So get off your fucking high horse already. You spend so much time beating the dead horse and lamenting the loss of your overly sensitive conservative buddies that I wonder why you are even here. Maybe you'd feel happier in the land of the expelled conservatives. I don't care how big you make your font; it doesn't change the fact that you're holding onto a myth and you're a hypocrite on top of it.
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Post by pinklady on Apr 25, 2017 2:00:48 GMT
Dead weight. Traitors. Leeches. Subservient. Communists. Fascists. Irresponsible. Lazy. Whiners. Stupid. Freeloaders. Drains on society. Greedy. Thieves. Selfish, virtue-less and immoral. Extremists. Nazis. Harpies. Almost all of those were lifted from a single thread. Is that from this board or the old board? Why does the board they came from matter. So you can just make more excuses for it? Have you ever thought that no one is listening to you because you have zero substance?
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Post by Belia on Apr 25, 2017 2:05:20 GMT
yes, but- the real 'argument' (or topic, in this case) is: Trump's incoherent, rambling interview, linked in the original post. Okay, here is a very direct question, to see if that helps any: @mytnice : What is your opinion on the thread topic? ? ? Which is, again, Trump's rambling, incoherent interview answers. Just curious. Since that is what this thread is about. I am curious to know what your opinion OF THAT TOPIC is. Really! me too! Gia- You still didn't answer. In any size font.
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Post by suzastampin on Apr 25, 2017 2:24:21 GMT
I'm trying to read it. I am having difficulty sticking with it. I keep getting irritated every time I read the word "great" and his talking about how popular he is and how much other presidents like him. I've never witnessed anyone so obsessed with being liked in my life. I don't want to think that this is real. Surely someone with such a limited vocabulary and skewed sense of self can't last in this position for long, right? I am still not sure how he won in the first place, but now that we really see what he is about on a regular basis, those that voted for him must be smacking their heads and wishing they hadn't done so. Unfortunately, I heard yesterday that 96% of those who voted for him would vote for him again. SMH
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Post by amom23 on Apr 25, 2017 2:43:42 GMT
Gia - if these political threads bother you so much then just don't open them. Lord knows there are plenty of threads I scroll on by everyday.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 25, 2017 2:53:47 GMT
You talk just like Trump does in this interview. You didn't answer anything from my post, and instead posted a meme trying to discredit and make fun of me. Your typical response when someone else makes a valid and correct point you can't argue. I'll try again... This is what you said: No one has argued in favor of what he said, least of all, me. No one is defending him saying that. No one. For you to make the argument as if anyone did, is a straw man argument. In the other thread you said it was petty and not a big deal. You then went on to put down anyone who said that it wasn't petty. To me, your posts do support trump, whether directly or indirectly. Any time someone is posting about him, you come in and talk about Obama, Hillary, or anyone else but trump. When you do that, you come across as supporting and Defending him. If that isn't how you want to come across, you should rethink your posting strategy.
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 25, 2017 3:03:42 GMT
And that is what is missing with trump. A lot of people believing in what he is doing enough to defend it. It's either because they know they can't defend trump or they don't believe in him enough to make an attempt to defend his actions.
Bottom line, people leave this board for all kinds of reasons. And if they say it's because of the political threads I think they are pulling one's leg for the simple reason no one forcing them to read the political threads in the first place. Well, if you consider that some people voted for Trump only because "he's not Hillary" it makes more sense. If someone voted for him for that reason, no matter what he says or does really matters. In the end, so long as he's not Hillary (and he never will be), he's doing what he wanted them to do. He may not be able to speak in coherent sentences - but he's not Hillary. He may not know where our fleets are - but he's not Hillary. He may take away your health care and your family may end up bankrupt - but he's not Hillary. He may destroy the environment and send us back to pre-EPA levels of pollution - but he's not Hillary. He may dismantle public education entirely - but he's not Hillary. He may take his orders directly from Putin himself - but he's not Hillary. He may start WW3 and destroy us all - but he's not Hillary. So long as that's your only criteria, it really doesn't matter what he does. SaveSaveAmen. Couldn't have summed it up any better.
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 25, 2017 3:12:39 GMT
Some of the posts on this thread remind me of this old song: And now you see I've gone Completely out of my mind And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa They're coming to take me away ho-ho hee-hee ha-haaa To the funny farm Where life is beautiful all the time And I'll be happy to see those nice young men In their clean white coats And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa Watch out for exploding heads. It's bound to happen shortly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 3:22:08 GMT
As far as I know there is no requirement that if you want to post on this board you must read every single post on every single political thread. That very reason takes the steam out of yours and others argument that people are leaving because of how they perceive they are treated on the political threads. Back when there were a lot of Obama did this threads I knew everytime I would open thread and venture an opinion it would be thrown right back at me. At first it was somewhat painful and I found myself posting and running out of that thread never to return because I knew I was about to get slammed for my opinion. Then I thought screw it and decided that I'm voicing my opinion and if people like it good if they don't that it I may not like it but it's ok as well as it's their choice. And the reason I kept going back was because I believed in most of what President Obama and Hillary did. Enough to walk into the lion's den so to speak to defend it when I felt that it was needed. And that is what is missing with trump. A lot of people believing in what he is doing enough to defend it. It's either because they know they can't defend trump or they don't believe in him enough to make an attempt to defend his actions. Bottom line, people leave this board for all kinds of reasons. And if they say it's because of the political threads I think they are pulling one's leg for the simple reason no one forcing them to read the political threads in the first place. It's because they WANT to participate just like YOU want to. It's because they are repeatedly told they're wrong. Even when they have the facts to back it up, those facts are dismissed. It's because they are personally attacked and piled on. It's because their reputation is being ruined here for standing up for their beliefs or their character that's being assassinated. It's because they see it happen to others and know their opinion and facts ARE NOT TOLERATED HERE, so why bother being here.There is no requirement to post on this board, but that's not a valid excuse for piling on and beating down anyone with the "wrong" viewpoint. It creates an echo chamber where all you hear are people in agreement with each other. To keep ignoring that and/or making excuses for it just says that's what you want.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 25, 2017 3:52:52 GMT
And again, I wasn't straw man whatever --- nor was I stating that anyone was making the other side, it's clear that I was challenging, thus the "try it" and "I dare you" (not the same as saying someone did) you/anyone to take that side of the coin, to show how ridiculous it would be--although, come to think about it--on the other thread you did say that the "diss" on Trump for congratulating the dismembered soldier was a petty one. And you totally ignored the rest of my post. Why would you want anyone to take that challenge? No one disagrees that it was the wrong thing to say. The fact that you issued that challenge IS A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT. It's the equivalent to arguing that we are Pea Refugees. NO ONE DISAGREES. You don't listen. You only insist on what you think, what others are saying be damned! No, it is not a fact that what I wrote was a "straw man whatever"--you ignored the entirety of my post. You don't post to "listen" --you post to RESPOND. You once again totally ignored the rest of my post, by trying to single out something I didn't say or intend, so that you could post a meme.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 25, 2017 4:02:12 GMT
Is that from this board or the old board? Does it matter? I'm so sick and tired of hearing about these poor little conservatives who were run off by liberals with pitchforks. It's funny that you claim to be all about sticking up for the little guy, but I don't recall you ever stepping in to tell Lauren, Skypea and Rainbow to stop their hateful remarks. I sat through 8 years of birther and prepper bullshit, of hearing about how "unclassy" the Ivy League educated First Lady was, hearing that Obama was the antichrist and so on. I got called bitter, whiny, and a bunch of worse things one one thread alone. And I don't recall you coming to defend me or my right to my opinions, not even once. So get off your fucking high horse already. You spend so much time beating the dead horse and lamenting the loss of your overly sensitive conservative buddies that I wonder why you are even here. Maybe you'd feel happier in the land of the expelled conservatives. I don't care how big you make your font; it doesn't change the fact that you're holding onto a myth and you're a hypocrite on top of it. Bravo!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 25, 2017 4:17:57 GMT
I only made it through about half of it. Brag, brag, brag. He can't function without adulation even it he has to make up stuff about himself. And of course, nothing is ever his fault. He's great and everyone who doesn't agree with him is wrong or a bad person. But I don't know that he has a declining mental state. From what I've read, it seems like he has always been this way. While I can't immediately pull something up to link, I know I've seen interviews of him when he was younger where he could at least follow a train of thought all the way through to the end. Nothing like the craziness in the transcript that was linked or some of the other more recent ones. There is definitely something going on. I was just going to say the opposite. I was really surprised when I saw/read older interviews & his patterns of speech were definitely there, albeit much less noticeable. I agree that it's gotten more prominent.
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