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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 14:44:03 GMT
Pakistani Village Punishes Man Accused of Rape With “Revenge Rape” of His Sister "The mother of the first victim, who is aged 12, told police her daughter was cutting grass in a field when she was raped by a man. The 12-year-old reported the rape to her mother, who then complained to village elders. After deliberating, the elders declared one of the sisters of the first attacker would be raped in retaliation for the crime, according to the police report.... "Her mothers and sisters all protested this but the elders brought out their guns and threatened to kill them."" Don't you love when men make all the decisions?!?! And women have to pay for the misdeeds of men. Any ideology that puts men in complete charge is disgusting. www.cnn.com/2017/07/27/asia/pakistan-revenge-rape/index.html |
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Post by lesley on Jul 28, 2017 14:46:04 GMT
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Post by cawoman on Jul 28, 2017 15:16:57 GMT
Disgusting indeed!
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Post by River on Jul 28, 2017 15:19:33 GMT
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Post by gillyp on Jul 28, 2017 15:27:34 GMT
I find it impossible to express how furious this makes me.
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Post by casii on Jul 28, 2017 15:30:47 GMT
Bass ackwards evil men.
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Post by lemondrop on Jul 28, 2017 15:36:06 GMT
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 28, 2017 15:48:10 GMT
And this is why when women in the US complain about being held down or pushed down by men....it pisses me off. Go live in Pakistan or other parts of the world where you have no control over your own body and rape is considered a viable punishment and you are not allowed outside without a male family member with you....that is true oppression.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 28, 2017 15:55:32 GMT
That is just so vile.
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Post by 16joy on Jul 28, 2017 16:00:19 GMT
How horrible. That's one way to get females not to report a rape. I would think most females wouldn't report if they knew another female would get raped. I used the term female because it clearly doesn't matter if they rape a woman or child.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 16:01:59 GMT
And this is why when women in the US complain about being held down or pushed down by men....it pisses me off. Go live in Pakistan or other parts of the world where you have no control over your own body and rape is considered a viable punishment and you are not allowed outside without a male family member with you....that is true oppression. Or just stay here and wait to see if evangelicals finally institute their wet dream of biblical America w/its male "headship" over women and other super-duper ideas of rape and restitution: "If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife." - Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB |
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 28, 2017 16:32:40 GMT
Or just stay here and wait to see if evangelicals finally institute their wet dream of biblical America w/its male "headship" over women and other super-duper ideas of rape and restitution: "If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife." - Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB I am holding steadfast that our America will never allow this to come to fruition. Also....using scripture from Deuteronomy means nothing since stoning has never been apart of our culture. It is a part of religious fanaticism in many parts of the world.....but not here. We have come along way since we burned women at the stake for being witches. Not far enough when it comes to hanging black men...we have a long way to go in our world when it comes to civil rights. Women will and should continue to speak out against abortion banning or control, birth control rights, lower wages than men for the same job, dress code in Congress, etc. But at the same time we should not be wailing about how awful our situation is when there are women around the world who are truly suffering every day at the hands of evil men. |
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Post by PaperAngel on Jul 28, 2017 16:34:28 GMT
It's sad these practices still exist in the world. People should no longer be considered property, & no one should suffer the consequences, especially a violent assault with potential life-threatening/-altering results, of another person's crime/wrong doing. :  : ...Or just stay here and wait to see if evangelicals finally institute their wet dream of biblical America w/its male "headship" over women and other super-duper ideas of rape and restitution:...Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB Offensive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 16:35:58 GMT
...Or just stay here and wait to see if evangelicals finally institute their wet dream of biblical America w/its male "headship" over women and other super-duper ideas of rape and restitution:...Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB Offensive. I agree. Parts of the bible are extremely offensive. |
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Post by PaperAngel on Jul 28, 2017 16:38:33 GMT
I agree. Parts of the bible are extremely offensive. ...in your opinion. (Note I didn't quote the Bible verse, just your offensive commentary.) People, like you, who do not respect others & their beliefs when contrary to yours are also offensive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 16:53:47 GMT
I agree. Parts of the bible are extremely offensive. ...in your opinion. (Note I didn't quote the Bible verse, just your offensive commentary.) People, like you, who do not respect others & their beliefs when contrary to yours are also offensive. Yes, of course, in my opinion. I respect others (the Pakistanis and the Christians alike) I may not respect their beliefs. I DO NOT respect the beliefs of the village elders in Pakistan. I DO NOT respect the beliefs of the Christians who wish to institute biblical law. I DO NOT respect any laws that treat women as chattel or less than men. |
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Post by PaperAngel on Jul 28, 2017 17:06:53 GMT
...in your opinion. (Note I didn't quote the Bible verse, just your offensive commentary.) People, like you, who do not respect others & their beliefs when contrary to yours are also offensive. Yes, of course, in my opinion. I respect others (the Pakistanis and the Christians alike) I may not respect their beliefs. I DO NOT respect the beliefs of the village elders in Pakistan. I DO NOT respect the beliefs of the Christians who wish to institute biblical law. I DO NOT respect any laws that treat women as chattel or less than men. Your posts suggest otherwise. Please provide a source to support your original claim that Christian politicians are proposing rape as law in the US. |
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Post by kamper on Jul 28, 2017 17:08:36 GMT
I agree. Parts of the bible are extremely offensive. ...in your opinion. (Note I didn't quote the Bible verse, just your offensive commentary.) People, like you, who do not respect others & their beliefs when contrary to yours are also offensive. Wait. You believe that a woman should be stoned to death but, you think Zingermack's comments were offensive? I think she just stated a fact. This is why rational people need to be very afraid of any group with religious agendas taking over the US. As far as Pakistan goes, I just think there is no hope for females there until something is done to lift them up. Education first. Control of their bodies. |
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 28, 2017 17:16:56 GMT
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Post by PaperAngel on Jul 28, 2017 17:17:28 GMT
...in your opinion. (Note I didn't quote the Bible verse, just your offensive commentary.) People, like you, who do not respect others & their beliefs when contrary to yours are also offensive. Wait. You believe that a woman should be stoned to death but, you think Zingermack's comments were offensive? I think she just stated a fact. This is why rational people need to be very afraid of any group with religious agendas taking over the US. As far as Pakistan goes, I just think there is no hope for females there until something is done to lift them up. Education first. Control of their bodies. So, you also believe it's a fact that US Christian politicians are proposing rape of female family members as punishment for crimes (as is the practice in Pakistan)? Please provide a source. |
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Post by hop2 on Jul 28, 2017 17:18:38 GMT
And this is why when women in the US complain about being held down or pushed down by men....it pisses me off. Go live in Pakistan or other parts of the world where you have no control over your own body and rape is considered a viable punishment and you are not allowed outside without a male family member with you....that is true oppression. Just because I don't live in a place where I have no rights does not mean I'm going to allow what rights I do have to be eroded. Nor does it mean I should not expect to have and work for equality if that's what I want. Just because they are severely oppressed does not mean I will allow even mild oppression here. I'll be god damned if I'm going to lay down and let my daughter have to fight again for the rights her grandmother already fought for. It's kind of stupid to say 'we' can't fight an injustice here because they are horribly oppressed there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 17:19:26 GMT
Yes, of course, in my opinion. I respect others (the Pakistanis and the Christians alike) I may not respect their beliefs. I DO NOT respect the beliefs of the village elders in Pakistan. I DO NOT respect the beliefs of the Christians who wish to institute biblical law. I DO NOT respect any laws that treat women as chattel or less than men. Please provide a source to support your original claim that Christian politicians are proposing rape as law in the US. They're not silly enough to propose it as "rape as law" - merely "biblical America". Sadly, the bible contains many passages that are as ridiculous as the raping of another woman as punishment for a man's crime. e.g.,http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2017/07/19596/ "Because many of the founders had been persecuted for their religious beliefs, colonial America became a haven for devoutly religious dissidents. It’s not surprising that they sought to protect “freedom of religion” through the First Amendment to the Constitution. Make no mistake: the First Amendment secures Americans’ right to the freedom of religion. The notion that it only secures freedom from religion is a novel and dangerous reinterpretation." See also Christian Dominionism, writings/views of Pence, Huckabee, Bachmann, etc. e.g., www.talk2action.org/story/2005/12/12/174651/55 |
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 28, 2017 17:28:10 GMT
It's kind of stupid to say 'we' can't fight an injustice here because they are horribly oppressed there. If you will read more closely....you will see that is not what I said. I did say that women will and should continue to speak out against our rights being erased from us. But I also find it ridiculous that I see women screaming about oppression and how difficult we have it when there are women in this world that are truly being terrorized in their daily lives. |
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Post by used2scrap on Jul 28, 2017 17:28:42 GMT
Just horrific.
Or stay here and be forced to carry your rapists baby because "it's a blessing from God" or not a product of "real rape" or "women's bodies have a way of shutting that down in rape" or because Planned Parenthood is defunded...
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Post by Merge on Jul 28, 2017 17:29:09 GMT
Wait. You believe that a woman should be stoned to death but, you think Zingermack's comments were offensive? I think she just stated a fact. This is why rational people need to be very afraid of any group with religious agendas taking over the US. As far as Pakistan goes, I just think there is no hope for females there until something is done to lift them up. Education first. Control of their bodies. So, you also believe it's a fact that US Christian politicians are proposing rape of female family members as punishment for crimes (as is the practice in Pakistan)? Please provide a source. Excusing rape and sexual assault (see: Duggar, and their biggest supporter, Huckabee) as a "family matter," treating women as subordinates with one narrowly defined role (submitting to sex/having babies) and a justice system that routinely exonerates rapists or lets them off with a slap on the wrist is morally the same thing. "She was asking for it," in any court of law is the same thing. Making it illegal for women to maintain autonomy over their own bodies is the same damn thing. Any belief system that treats women as subordinate and says that men have "headship" over women (see: Huckabee, Pence, Cruz, etc.) is promoting the same sick belief system that decides a woman's rape is appropriate punishment for a man's crime. They're not proposing it yet, but that's exactly where these perverted belief systems are headed. We'd just like to prevent things from going that far. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 17:29:27 GMT
It's kind of stupid to say 'we' can't fight an injustice here because they are horribly oppressed there. If you will read more closely....you will see that is not what I said. I did say that women will and should continue to speak out against our rights being erased from us. But I also find it ridiculous that I see women screaming about oppression and how difficult we have it when there are women in this world that are truly being terrorized in their daily lives. Women ARE BEING OPPRESSED HERE and ARE BEING OPPRESSED THERE - in different degrees. All oppression should be resisted. |
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Jul 28, 2017 17:30:41 GMT
And this is why when women in the US complain about being held down or pushed down by men....it pisses me off. Go live in Pakistan or other parts of the world where you have no control over your own body and rape is considered a viable punishment and you are not allowed outside without a male family member with you....that is true oppression. Seriously??? So because somewhere in the world, someone has it worse, we can't complain? |
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Jul 28, 2017 17:33:17 GMT
It's kind of stupid to say 'we' can't fight an injustice here because they are horribly oppressed there. If you will read more closely....you will see that is not what I said. I did say that women will and should continue to speak out against our rights being erased from us. But I also find it ridiculous that I see women screaming about oppression and how difficult we have it when there are women in this world that are truly being terrorized in their daily lives. You said that in your second post. Your first post was disgusting. |
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Post by hop2 on Jul 28, 2017 17:34:15 GMT
It's kind of stupid to say 'we' can't fight an injustice here because they are horribly oppressed there. If you will read more closely....you will see that is not what I said. I did say that women will and should continue to speak out against our rights being erased from us. But I also find it ridiculous that I see women screaming about oppression and how difficult we have it when there are women in this world that are truly being terrorized in their daily lives. Sorry- we are not yet equal here. I can and will complain about that. I might not be 'screaming' but I'm definitely going to address the issue. It has nothing to do with the total lack of right that are there. It has to do with we still need to move forward. Sorry you don't approve. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Jul 28, 2017 17:34:38 GMT
So...the "logic" goes like this: Let's put these men in the shoes of the victim's relatives so they can see how it feels when one of their women is raped.  It'd be far more fitting if the perpetrators were the ones being raped. I mean, if you're gonna have an ass backwards society using ridiculous logic, might as well make it a bit more even. This all makes my heart hurt.  |
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