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Post by msdintz on Sept 24, 2017 1:48:30 GMT
In my opinion. ( just my opinion ) I suspect that the Russia investigation is gaining some steam and Trump is trying to fire up his base by acting like a tough guy. They have been upset with him over the dreamer deal so I think he's trying to get them back.
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Post by valleyview on Sept 24, 2017 2:00:20 GMT
I'm personally trying to become more aware of my own words. It is not politically correctness to be civil to people, and it's not expecting too much for the president to avoid profanities in public speeches.
Also, in order to quote someone, those words have to have actually been spoken. "SOBs" was NOT a quote.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 24, 2017 2:32:33 GMT
He yanked an invite after being told that players were considering not coming. I think he should have allowed those who want to come, come. I think he should have simply disinvited curry. And his comment about son-of-a -b**th was made as a quote of what he thought the owners should be saying to the kneelers. Personally, I agree with him, the owners ought to be benching and firing these ingrates. I found it amusing that the head of the AFL bemoaned Trumps "lack of respect" to the players given the lack of response repeatedly shown by the players towards the country that has given them such opportunity. Your attitude blows my mind. Do you think any American should lose their job for kneeling? Or is it just because they are in the public eye? What the athletes did wasn't illegal. Funny how Nazis can scream "blood and soil" and Trump didn't tweet that everyone of those people should be fired. Many people have lost their job for things they have done or said. And in this case, yes, if I were the owner of one of these teams, anyone who knelt would be gone. Illegal? No. Disrespectful, yes. And there is no "free speech" when it comes to private employers. The first amendment protects people from government retribution; not private.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 24, 2017 2:34:41 GMT
In my opinion. ( just my opinion ) I suspect that the Russia investigation is gaining some steam and Trump is trying to fire up his base by acting like a tough guy. They have been upset with him over the dreamer deal so I think he's trying to get them back. He does seem to press the racial baiting button whenever things go poorly.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 24, 2017 2:35:02 GMT
He yanked an invite after being told that players were considering not coming. I think he should have allowed those who want to come, come. I think he should have simply disinvited curry. And his comment about son-of-a -b**th was made as a quote of what he thought the owners should be saying to the kneelers. Personally, I agree with him, the owners ought to be benching and firing these ingrates. I found it amusing that the head of the AFL bemoaned Trumps "lack of respect" to the players given the lack of response repeatedly shown by the players towards the country that has given them such opportunity. That was no need to disinvite Curry because he already said he was not coming. Trump call the Charlottesville white supremacist good people but black people having a peaceful protest are sons of bitches and you agree with that too ? I'm not going to get into your attempt to make this into a race issue. It's not. And, if you listened to what Trump said, it's not quite what you say.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 24, 2017 2:35:51 GMT
It doesn't get more government than the president, does it?
Presidents certainly have had their opinions about things like this in the past. Most presidents have had the dignity and gravitas to realize that they should probably keep those opinions to themselves.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 24, 2017 2:36:51 GMT
Gravitas and dignity in a thread about Trump? Surely you jest.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 24, 2017 2:38:56 GMT
Oh puleez. Obama did far more of this than Trump has. No outcry from you and any Democrats.
Most former Presidents say nothing negative about the incumbent. They fade into the world of charitable works. Except Obama. No dignity; no gravitas. Just politics as usual for him.
But, I know, he gets a pass because you liked him and agreed with his politics.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 2:43:36 GMT
In my opinion. ( just my opinion ) I suspect that the Russia investigation is gaining some steam and Trump is trying to fire up his base by acting like a tough guy. They have been upset with him over the dreamer deal so I think he's trying to get them back. You're probably not wrong either!! He riles up his base when he knows unfavorable reports are out or to distract.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 2:48:08 GMT
Oh puleez. Obama did far more of this than Trump has. No outcry from you and any Democrats. Most former Presidents say nothing negative about the incumbent. They fade into the world of charitable works. Except Obama. No dignity; no gravitas. Just politics as usual for him. But, I know, he gets a pass because you liked him and agreed with his politics. There wasn't any outcry because President Obama wasn't the raging asshole that Trump is. Maybe in your imaginary scenario but not in reality--President Obama did not work to divide the people of the United States as Trump has done every day for YEARS. It's really funny to watch you just make up the craziest shit about President Obama!!!
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Post by PNWMom on Sept 24, 2017 2:49:46 GMT
Personally, I have sat and/or stood with my back turned towards the US flag during the nat'l anthem off and on at numerous sporting events over the past 15 years (NBA and NFL games), including every game I have attended since the November 2016 election. I started back when we first invaded Iraq well over a decade ago, and stopped after the 2008 election.
The flag is a symbol of our country, not a symbol of our military. There are military flags, symbols, etc that signify our armed forces. I stand and clap and cheer as much as anyone else when they honor veterans and active duty service members at games. My decision not to stand in honor of the flag is my way of showing my disappointment with my country and the direction it is going. It has absolutely nothing to do with the men and women who serve this country in the military.
No one has ever said a peep to me and my decision has been respected each and every time. (I fully realize my white privilege plays into this, as a black or brown person may not encounter the same response).
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 2:50:07 GMT
But, I know, he gets a pass because you liked him and agreed with his politics. Pretty ironic don't ya think? You give the raging butthole of a POTUS Trump a free pass because you agree with him and his politics.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 2:53:49 GMT
Most former Presidents say nothing negative about the incumbent. They fade into the world of charitable works. Except Obama. No dignity; no gravitas. Just politics as usual for him. Most sitting presidents don't bully, act like a fucking jackhole, don't lie with every breath they take, don't call people names, don't insult their foreign counterparts, and don't belittle every single person who disagrees with him. Except Trump. No dignity at all. Just self enrichment and self promotion.
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Post by valleyview on Sept 24, 2017 3:14:43 GMT
The fight has expanded to baseball. The Oakland A's catcher took a knee tonight.
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Post by busy on Sept 24, 2017 3:27:48 GMT
When white supremacists protest - they're good people. When black people protest they're - sons of bitches. These athletes are peacefully protesting - they are silently taking a knee. It's a powerful statement. I wish all protestors behaved this way. Tomorrow was to start a four-day Free Speech event at Berkeley. Two performers backed out because of safety concerns after receiving serious death threats, and the entire event organizer cancelled because of serious concerns. Some of the speakers say it's still on, but who knows. It'll be interesting to see how peaceful that is--yeah, I don't think so. BerkeleyThis was never a real rally. There were no reservations, no deposits, nothing. It was a sham to blame “canceling” something that never existed on the left.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 3:37:43 GMT
Hmmm....for me, the US flag is a symbol of the military. Every US military base here and around the world flies the American flag, not the flag of the individual branch of the military. As a former service member, I have never saluted the Army flag, but I have saluted the US flag plenty of times.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 24, 2017 3:43:01 GMT
Oh puleez. Obama did far more of this than Trump has. No outcry from you and any Democrats. Most former Presidents say nothing negative about the incumbent. They fade into the world of charitable works. Except Obama. No dignity; no gravitas. Just politics as usual for him. But, I know, he gets a pass because you liked him and agreed with his politics. You know what? I'll admit it - I did like Obama. He seems like a good husband and father. He's educated and knows the constitution. He didn't use the office to make a bunch of money for himself. He didn't go on campaign rallies or tweet when there was a potential nuclear war brewing, right after two massive hurricanes hit our country. He didn't give completely unqualified people jobs in his admin just because they donated to his campaign. He didn't swear and use foul language because he didn't like the way someone acted during the anthem. He didn't brag about grabbing women by the pussy. He didn't take out an ad in the paper calling for innocent people to be executed for a crime they didn't commit. He didn't praise dictators like Duterte, Erdogan, or Putin. And he didn't talk about Nazis as if they could possibly be the good guys. yeah, he seems to be a pretty decent guy. And if you can truly say that you feel that trump is a good and decent man who is an example of what we should teach our children to aspire to, that says a lot about you as a person. What is says isn't good.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 3:44:18 GMT
Hmmm....for me, the US flag is a symbol of the military. Every US military base here and around the world flies the American flag, not the flag of the individual branch of the military. As a former service member, I have never saluted the Army flag, but I have saluted the US flag plenty of times. So would that mean that the US flag is not a symbol for civilians?
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Post by inkedup on Sept 24, 2017 3:44:32 GMT
Personally, I think Obama did a pretty good job of doing that and setting the stage. How many times was your job threatened when you complained about Obama? How many private citizens did Obama publicly say should be fired for exercising their constitutional right to free speech?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 3:51:48 GMT
He yanked an invite after being told that players were considering not coming. I think he should have allowed those who want to come, come. I think he should have simply disinvited curry. And his comment about son-of-a -b**th was made as a quote of what he thought the owners should be saying to the kneelers. Personally, I agree with him, the owners ought to be benching and firing these ingrates. I found it amusing that the head of the AFL bemoaned Trumps "lack of respect" to the players given the lack of response repeatedly shown by the players towards the country that has given them such opportunity. That was no need to disinvite Curry because he already said he was not coming. Trump call the Charlottesville white supremacist good people but black people having a peaceful protest are sons of bitches and you agree with that too ? I don't care how many times you say it, how many people say it, or how many names you call me for stating the truth, but the actual words coming out of his mouth do NOT support this statement lie.
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Post by Nink on Sept 24, 2017 3:52:35 GMT
Personally, I think Obama did a pretty good job of doing that and setting the stage. How many times was your job threatened when you complained about Obama? How many private citizens did Obama publicly say should be fired for exercising their constitutional right to free speech? I was just coming in here to say the same thing. I guess I missed the link that was provided that showed President Obama’s doing that. Oh wait...
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Post by inkedup on Sept 24, 2017 3:58:29 GMT
That was no need to disinvite Curry because he already said he was not coming. Trump call the Charlottesville white supremacist good people but black people having a peaceful protest are sons of bitches and you agree with that too ? I don't care how many times you say it, how many people say it, or how many names you call me for stating the truth, but the actual words coming out of his mouth do NOT support this statement lie. "Some very fine people on both sides." Direct quote from Trump. "Both sides" of a clash that involved white nationalists/actual Nazis and the people who were protesting against the nationalists and Nazis. I guess the entire world misunderstood what Trump said in plain English. Good thing he has people like you to tell us that words don't mean what we've been told they mean.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 3:59:15 GMT
Hmmm....for me, the US flag is a symbol of the military. Every US military base here and around the world flies the American flag, not the flag of the individual branch of the military. As a former service member, I have never saluted the Army flag, but I have saluted the US flag plenty of times. So would that mean that the US flag is not a symbol for civilians? Of course it is but I don't know how anyone can say the US flag is not associated with the military. How are veterans graves marked on flag day, veterans day, etc? With a US flag. When there's a military funeral, what's given to the spouse or parents? A folded US flag. At reveille and retreat, soldiers face and salute the US flag, never the flag of the branch they are serving.
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Post by PNWMom on Sept 24, 2017 4:02:01 GMT
Hmmm....for me, the US flag is a symbol of the military. Every US military base here and around the world flies the American flag, not the flag of the individual branch of the military. As a former service member, I have never saluted the Army flag, but I have saluted the US flag plenty of times. Yes, military bases fly the American flag. So does the office building down the street that houses the Bartell Drugs corporate headquarters. Doesn't mean the flag symbolizes Bartell Drugs... Flag = country. Service members salute the flag as a way of showing respect for their country, not as a way to show respect to themselves.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 4:17:27 GMT
Perfectly stated. To me, the flag does not even come close to equalling the military
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 4:35:13 GMT
Hmmm....for me, the US flag is a symbol of the military. Every US military base here and around the world flies the American flag, not the flag of the individual branch of the military. As a former service member, I have never saluted the Army flag, but I have saluted the US flag plenty of times. Yes, military bases fly the American flag. So does the office building down the street that houses the Bartell Drugs corporate headquarters. Doesn't mean the flag symbolizes Bartell Drugs... Flag = country. Service members salute the flag as a way of showing respect for their country, not as a way to show respect to themselves. Your first post said there are military flags and symbols that signify each branch. I'm saying that those flags are not what service members salute, those flags do not mark their graves or are given to survivors. It is always the US flag. Standing for the national anthem and putting my hand over my heart is respecting myself in my opinion. I can't turn my back on my flag. I've always stood for the national anthem and I always will. It is a part of who I am. It doesn't matter who is or isn't President. If you feel that you can't, that is your choice and you have a right to do that.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 24, 2017 6:29:52 GMT
FFS, there are more important things he needs to focus on than this. Like healthcare. And where are all these jobs he was supposed to bring back? He loves to stir up everything but accomplish nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 7:53:08 GMT
I don't care how many times you say it, how many people say it, or how many names you call me for stating the truth, but the actual words coming out of his mouth do NOT support this statement lie. "Some very fine people on both sides." Direct quote from Trump. "Both sides" of a clash that involved white nationalists/actual Nazis and the people who were protesting against the nationalists and Nazis. I guess the entire world misunderstood what Trump said in plain English. Good thing he has people like you to tell us that words don't mean what we've been told they mean. Just as he differentiated between violent Antifa thugs protestesting racism and those that were there to peacefully protest racism, he differentiated between racists protestesting the removal of statues and those who aren't racist, but protested the removal of statues. His words in the years before the issue, during the issue and after the issue do NOT support the claim that he was calling the racists "very fine people".
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Post by inkedup on Sept 24, 2017 8:17:04 GMT
"Some very fine people on both sides." Direct quote from Trump. "Both sides" of a clash that involved white nationalists/actual Nazis and the people who were protesting against the nationalists and Nazis. I guess the entire world misunderstood what Trump said in plain English. Good thing he has people like you to tell us that words don't mean what we've been told they mean. Just as he differentiated between violent Antifa thugs protestesting racism and those that were there to peacefully protest racism, he differentiated between racists protestesting the removal of statues and those who aren't racist, but protested the removal of statues. His words in the years before the issue, during the issue and after the issue do NOT support the claim that he was calling the racists "very fine people".1. His exact words in response to Charlottesville were exactly what I said they were. "There were very fine people on both sides." He never once called for any of the nationalists or Nazis to be fired or jailed. And yet he has come out forcefully against athletes who would dare exercise their right to peaceful protest. A right granted to them by the Constitution Trump swore an oath to uphold. It definitely seems like he has more sympathy/consideration for the rights of one side than the other. 2. Fortunately for us, Trump has led a very public life, so you are also wrong about the fact that his words in the "years before the issue....do not support the claim that he was calling the racists "very fine people". There is quite a record of him expressing bigoted views and of him discriminating against people of color via his businesses: Forbes "Is Donald Trump a Racist?"3. Trump often called Obama a Muslim sympathizer because, according to Trump, Obama hadn't forcefully disavowed radical Islamic terrorism: “We’re led by a man who is a very – look, we’re led by a man that either is, is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,” Trump said. “And the something else in mind, you know, people can’t believe it. People cannot – they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the ways he acts and can’t even mention the words ‘radical Islamic terrorism.’ There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable.” ( Source) By the President's own logic, his own failure to forcefully distance himself from white supremacists and white nationalists means he is, at least, a sympathizer. But hey. Keep contorting yourself to defend the indefensible. Like it or not, words mean what they mean and your boy Trump has given us enough of his own words to show us who he is.
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 24, 2017 10:21:30 GMT
Kapernick has no more argument after he denied his contract for 16mil. It's been said on the other previous threads about the NFL that they may have a right to do it, but i agree with PLurker that if their bosses don't like it they can speak up about it as some have done. It should be left up to the teams to decide what the represent and what their players represent on the field. I take issues with them doing it in there work place when most of us who are long time football just want to watch football. I also hate that people who disagree go with the Nazi terms and others that's not right either. I may get my pea hand slapped for saying so but I'm tired of the Nazi terms if doesn't justify the means. I've been to Germany so maybe it gets to me for that reason. I'm of the thought that if they are waving the Nazi flag and chanting anti-Semitic slogans, the term Nazi fits. How's that saying go....? "If it walks like a duck and swims like a duck....."
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