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Post by monklady123 on Sept 24, 2017 10:24:47 GMT
Oh puleez. Obama did far more of this than Trump has. No outcry from you and any Democrats. Most former Presidents say nothing negative about the incumbent. They fade into the world of charitable works. Except Obama. No dignity; no gravitas. Just politics as usual for him.But, I know, he gets a pass because you liked him and agreed with his politics.  That's because former presidents have had a normal person follow them, Republicans and Democrats. lolol. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 11:32:35 GMT
I wish all protestors behaved this way. Tomorrow was to start a four-day Free Speech event at Berkeley. Two performers backed out because of safety concerns after receiving serious death threats, and the entire event organizer cancelled because of serious concerns. Some of the speakers say it's still on, but who knows. It'll be interesting to see how peaceful that is--yeah, I don't think so. BerkeleyThis was never a real rally. There were no reservations, no deposits, nothing. It was a sham to blame “canceling” something that never existed on the left. I'm confused why you're saying the event never existed; does the word "event" vs. "rally" make a difference? There was going to be a "gathering" that has now been cancelled (or not...we'll see). People that were going to speak and/or perform cancelled because of safety concerns. Per Berkeley's own paper: "Despite today’s conflicting media reports about the status of events scheduled for next week, from Sunday through Wednesday, the university is proceeding with plans to provide security for the campus community and any of the speakers who will appear here." and "Counter protests associated with Yiannopoulos’ appearance have been announced. If you choose to engage in the protests, we encourage you to review our suggestions found at this link: how to protest safely. We encourage you to think critically about your actions and not react to the provocations of others. If the actions of those around you are not consistent with your own values and goals, please remove yourself from the situation. If you choose to remain in an area where violence is occurring, you may be subject to arrest or removal. Our campus will not tolerate acts of violence or the destruction of property, and the UCPD will dutifully investigate, arrest, and prosecute anyone who commits crimes on our campus." Berkeley's PaperWhile I don't agree with the kneeling, at least it's peaceful. These rallies, protests, counter-protests have gotten out of hand. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 11:56:21 GMT
Oh puleez. Obama did far more of this than Trump has. No outcry from you and any Democrats. Most former Presidents say nothing negative about the incumbent. They fade into the world of charitable works. Except Obama. No dignity; no gravitas. Just politics as usual for him. But, I know, he gets a pass because you liked him and agreed with his politics. You know what? I'll admit it - I did like Obama. He seems like a good husband and father. He's educated and knows the constitution. He didn't use the office to make a bunch of money for himself. He didn't go on campaign rallies or tweet when there was a potential nuclear war brewing, right after two massive hurricanes hit our country. He didn't give completely unqualified people jobs in his admin just because they donated to his campaign. He didn't swear and use foul language because he didn't like the way someone acted during the anthem. He didn't brag about grabbing women by the pussy. He didn't take out an ad in the paper calling for innocent people to be executed for a crime they didn't commit. He didn't praise dictators like Duterte, Erdogan, or Putin. And he didn't talk about Nazis as if they could possibly be the good guys. yeah, he seems to be a pretty decent guy. And if you can truly say that you feel that trump is a good and decent man who is an example of what we should teach our children to aspire to, that says a lot about you as a person. What is says isn't good. YES--yes and YES!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 12:01:35 GMT
I don't care how many times you say it, how many people say it, or how many names you call me for stating the truth, but the actual words coming out of his mouth do NOT support this statement lie. "Some very fine people on both sides." Direct quote from Trump. "Both sides" of a clash that involved white nationalists/actual Nazis and the people who were protesting against the nationalists and Nazis. I guess the entire world misunderstood what Trump said in plain English. Good thing he has people like you to tell us that words don't mean what we've been told they mean. Exactly! But her she goes again--same shit different day--where only she knows what Trump meant and the rest of the world just doesn't get, no matter how many times others have provided proof--like in the epic thread last month where that is all she insisted that he didn't say that! Lol. Crazytown!!!!! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 12:02:57 GMT
Just as he differentiated between violent Antifa thugs protestesting racism and those that were there to peacefully protest racism, he differentiated between racists protestesting the removal of statues and those who aren't racist, but protested the removal of statues. His words in the years before the issue, during the issue and after the issue do NOT support the claim that he was calling the racists "very fine people".1. His exact words in response to Charlottesville were exactly what I said they were. "There were very fine people on both sides." He never once called for any of the nationalists or Nazis to be fired or jailed. And yet he has come out forcefully against athletes who would dare exercise their right to peaceful protest. A right granted to them by the Constitution Trump swore an oath to uphold. It definitely seems like he has more sympathy/consideration for the rights of one side than the other. 2. Fortunately for us, Trump has led a very public life, so you are also wrong about the fact that his words in the "years before the issue....do not support the claim that he was calling the racists "very fine people". There is quite a record of him expressing bigoted views and of him discriminating against people of color via his businesses: Forbes "Is Donald Trump a Racist?"3. Trump often called Obama a Muslim sympathizer because, according to Trump, Obama hadn't forcefully disavowed radical Islamic terrorism: “We’re led by a man who is a very – look, we’re led by a man that either is, is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,” Trump said. “And the something else in mind, you know, people can’t believe it. People cannot – they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the ways he acts and can’t even mention the words ‘radical Islamic terrorism.’ There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable.” ( Source) By the President's own logic, his own failure to forcefully distance himself from white supremacists and white nationalists means he is, at least, a sympathizer. But hey. Keep contorting yourself to defend the indefensible. Like it or not, words mean what they mean and your boy Trump has given us enough of his own words to show us who he is. Yep! |
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Post by busy on Sept 24, 2017 12:16:55 GMT
This was never a real rally. There were no reservations, no deposits, nothing. It was a sham to blame “canceling” something that never existed on the left. I'm confused why you're saying the event never existed; does the word "event" vs. "rally" make a difference? There was going to be a "gathering" that has now been cancelled (or not...we'll see). People that were going to speak and/or perform cancelled because of safety concerns. Per Berkeley's own paper: "Despite today’s conflicting media reports about the status of events scheduled for next week, from Sunday through Wednesday, the university is proceeding with plans to provide security for the campus community and any of the speakers who will appear here." and "Counter protests associated with Yiannopoulos’ appearance have been announced. If you choose to engage in the protests, we encourage you to review our suggestions found at this link: how to protest safely. We encourage you to think critically about your actions and not react to the provocations of others. If the actions of those around you are not consistent with your own values and goals, please remove yourself from the situation. If you choose to remain in an area where violence is occurring, you may be subject to arrest or removal. Our campus will not tolerate acts of violence or the destruction of property, and the UCPD will dutifully investigate, arrest, and prosecute anyone who commits crimes on our campus." Berkeley's PaperWhile I don't agree with the kneeling, at least it's peaceful. These rallies, protests, counter-protests have gotten out of hand. “Preliminary reservations for a number of indoor and outdoor venues were made by the student organization, but the deadlines to complete and confirm the contracts were not met. Additionally, Milo Inc. issued names of speakers that were never confirmed by the student organization.” Ann Coulter, supposedly a speaker who “withdrew” has also stated she never had a contract to speak. www.ktvu.com/news/uc-berkeleys-free-speech-week-events-are-canceledA KTVU reporter from yesterday’s press conference about the “event.” |
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Post by J u l e e on Sept 24, 2017 12:29:49 GMT
Yes, military bases fly the American flag. So does the office building down the street that houses the Bartell Drugs corporate headquarters. Doesn't mean the flag symbolizes Bartell Drugs... Flag = country. Service members salute the flag as a way of showing respect for their country, not as a way to show respect to themselves. Your first post said there are military flags and symbols that signify each branch. I'm saying that those flags are not what service members salute, those flags do not mark their graves or are given to survivors. It is always the US flag. Standing for the national anthem and putting my hand over my heart is respecting myself in my opinion. I can't turn my back on my flag. I've always stood for the national anthem and I always will. It is a part of who I am. It doesn't matter who is or isn't President. If you feel that you can't, that is your choice and you have a right to do that. I'm asking out of sincere curiosity, do you stand with hand over heart in your living room when the anthem is played while watching a baseball game or the olympics, etc? It could be a ridiculous question but I've always wondered if people do this - people who respond to the flag like you wrote above - and thought I'd ask after reading your post. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 12:54:16 GMT
“Preliminary reservations for a number of indoor and outdoor venues were made by the student organization, but the deadlines to complete and confirm the contracts were not met. Additionally, Milo Inc. issued names of speakers that were never confirmed by the student organization.” Ann Coulter, supposedly a speaker who “withdrew” has also stated she never had a contract to speak. www.ktvu.com/news/uc-berkeleys-free-speech-week-events-are-canceledA KTVU reporter from yesterday’s press conference about the “event.” Interesting how much conflicting information there seems to be. Joy Villa and Kaya Jones explain why they decided to not go after receiving threats: Joy Villa Cancels |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 13:03:17 GMT
Your first post said there are military flags and symbols that signify each branch. I'm saying that those flags are not what service members salute, those flags do not mark their graves or are given to survivors. It is always the US flag. Standing for the national anthem and putting my hand over my heart is respecting myself in my opinion. I can't turn my back on my flag. I've always stood for the national anthem and I always will. It is a part of who I am. It doesn't matter who is or isn't President. If you feel that you can't, that is your choice and you have a right to do that. I'm asking out of sincere curiosity, do you stand with hand over heart in your living room when the anthem is played while watching a baseball game or the olympics, etc? It could be a ridiculous question but I've always wondered if people do this - people who respond to the flag like you wrote above - and thought I'd ask after reading your post. No, I don't. To me, I am not present at the event so I don't stand when the national anthem on tv. I sit quietly and listen. |
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Post by J u l e e on Sept 24, 2017 13:09:39 GMT
I'm asking out of sincere curiosity, do you stand with hand over heart in your living room when the anthem is played while watching a baseball game or the olympics, etc? It could be a ridiculous question but I've always wondered if people do this - people who respond to the flag like you wrote above - and thought I'd ask after reading your post. No, I don't. To me, I am not present at the event so I don't stand when the national anthem on tv. I sit quietly and listen. Thank you for answering. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Sept 24, 2017 13:15:42 GMT
Hmmm....for me, the US flag is a symbol of the military. Every US military base here and around the world flies the American flag, not the flag of the individual branch of the military. As a former service member, I have never saluted the Army flag, but I have saluted the US flag plenty of times. Well duh. Of course they fly an American flag because they are the US military--not France, not Israel, not Germany..... That does not make the flag a military symbol. It is a symbol of our COUNTRY, which just happens to be placed on our bases, equipment, and uniforms to designate the military as ours. Our military personnel fight for and under our flag, but they do not "own" it. We ALL own it, and I'm tired of the "disrespecting the military" argument anytime someone suggests that our country doesn't always act honorably. Whether that person is saying the US has not treated some groups fairly (such as the protest over the flag) or criticizing the government, there are some who come back with "but veterans." Look, I appreciate the service of our active military and veterans. I stand respectfully for the anthem and proudly sing along. I admit to getting choked up when I hear Lee Geeenwood's "God Bless the USA." But I draw the line at letting "respect for the military" replace "respect for our government." They are not the same thing, and I can have more respect for our service personnel than I do for elected leaders. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 24, 2017 13:26:21 GMT
Your first post said there are military flags and symbols that signify each branch. I'm saying that those flags are not what service members salute, those flags do not mark their graves or are given to survivors. It is always the US flag. Standing for the national anthem and putting my hand over my heart is respecting myself in my opinion. I can't turn my back on my flag. I've always stood for the national anthem and I always will. It is a part of who I am. It doesn't matter who is or isn't President. If you feel that you can't, that is your choice and you have a right to do that. I'm asking out of sincere curiosity, do you stand with hand over heart in your living room when the anthem is played while watching a baseball game or the olympics, etc? It could be a ridiculous question but I've always wondered if people do this - people who respond to the flag like you wrote above - and thought I'd ask after reading your post. Gah, I am such a dork...but I do. If they play it, I stand and do my thing. But y'all? It's my thing. If someone else wants to kneel, sit, turn their backs, or even burn that flag I get it. It is their right to do so, for what ever reason they choose to do so. It makes me awfully uncomfortable, but I fully support their right to express their opinions in that way. The way I see I see is that we, as a country, have a constitution that affords us a series of rights and responsibilities. I don't get to pick and choose which ones apply to which group of people. The same right that I have to stand up, place my hand over my heart and recite the Pledge of Allegiance is the same right that allows someone to NOT do so. What especially troubles me is that the man in office DOES seem to want to pick and choose which right he wants to apply to different groups. He is supposed to be of the PEOPLE, not just the ones he feels worthy. He is supposed to be the one that champions that Constitution we all hold dear and to try, to the best of his ability, to apply it as fairly as possible. I listened to his speech last night in Alabama and I am pretty sure I am not part of his chosen people. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 13:33:02 GMT
So would that mean that the US flag is not a symbol for civilians? Of course it is but I don't know how anyone can say the US flag is not associated with the military. How are veterans graves marked on flag day, veterans day, etc? With a US flag. When there's a military funeral, what's given to the spouse or parents? A folded US flag. At reveille and retreat, soldiers face and salute the US flag, never the flag of the branch they are serving. Surely the reason they use a country's flag on a veteran's grave is because that veteran served and died on behalf of their country, and not because he or she is a veteran and the flag is a symbol of any military. You (general you ) salute the country's flag in the military because you represent that particular country not because you are a member of the military.A salute is to make a formal sign of respect, in this case, to the country you are serving. Wherever a country's flag is flown it's a symbol of a particular country whether it's a military base at home or abroad or on a building abroad that houses the ambassador to any particular country. Same for Olympians. A country's flag represents all of a country's citizens. |
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Post by J u l e e on Sept 24, 2017 14:03:11 GMT
I'm asking out of sincere curiosity, do you stand with hand over heart in your living room when the anthem is played while watching a baseball game or the olympics, etc? It could be a ridiculous question but I've always wondered if people do this - people who respond to the flag like you wrote above - and thought I'd ask after reading your post. Gah, I am such a dork...but I do. If they play it, I stand and do my thing. But y'all? It's my thing. If someone else wants to kneel, sit, turn their backs, or even burn that flag I get it. It is their right to do so, for what ever reason they choose to do so. It makes me awfully uncomfortable, but I fully support their right to express their opinions in that way. The way I see I see is that we, as a country, have a constitution that affords us a series of rights and responsibilities. I don't get to pick and choose which ones apply to which group of people. The same right that I have to stand up, place my hand over my heart and recite the Pledge of Allegiance is the same right that allows someone to NOT do so. What especially troubles me is that the man in office DOES seem to want to pick and choose which right he wants to apply to different groups. He is supposed to be of the PEOPLE, not just the ones he feels worthy. He is supposed to be the one that champions that Constitution we all hold dear and to try, to the best of his ability, to apply it as fairly as possible. I listened to his speech last night in Alabama and I am pretty sure I am not part of his chosen people. I did know another person who always stood with hand over heart and sang the National Anthem (mostly mouth moving with a whisper) even if watching a game on television. I know there are people who feel very very strongly about standing with hand over heart and wonder how far they extend that feeling -only in person, whenever they hear it, etc. |
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Post by missmiss on Sept 24, 2017 14:59:07 GMT
Hmmm....for me, the US flag is a symbol of the military. Every US military base here and around the world flies the American flag, not the flag of the individual branch of the military. As a former service member, I have never saluted the Army flag, but I have saluted the US flag plenty of times. Every US military base does fly the American flag. It also flies the flag of the country the base is in too. So does it make the Germany Flag their military flag? What about Denmark? Japan? Korea? So all flags are a symbol of a country's military? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 15:04:35 GMT
Have your inner circle in and out of Russia's hindquarters? " I love it". Take a knee for the centuries of pain inflicted on a segment of the US citizenry? Unpatriotic! Sad! Losers! |
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 24, 2017 17:22:57 GMT
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Post by scrapngranny on Sept 24, 2017 18:12:10 GMT
Trump never passes up an opportunity to be an ass. Some of the nazis were nice people and athletes are SOB, go figure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 20:10:43 GMT
Just as he differentiated between violent Antifa thugs protestesting racism and those that were there to peacefully protest racism, he differentiated between racists protestesting the removal of statues and those who aren't racist, but protested the removal of statues. His words in the years before the issue, during the issue and after the issue do NOT support the claim that he was calling the racists "very fine people".1. His exact words in response to Charlottesville were exactly what I said they were. "There were very fine people on both sides." He never once called for any of the nationalists or Nazis to be fired or jailed. And yet he has come out forcefully against athletes who would dare exercise their right to peaceful protest. A right granted to them by the Constitution Trump swore an oath to uphold. It definitely seems like he has more sympathy/consideration for the rights of one side than the other. 2. Fortunately for us, Trump has led a very public life, so you are also wrong about the fact that his words in the "years before the issue....do not support the claim that he was calling the racists "very fine people". There is quite a record of him expressing bigoted views and of him discriminating against people of color via his businesses: Forbes "Is Donald Trump a Racist?"3. Trump often called Obama a Muslim sympathizer because, according to Trump, Obama hadn't forcefully disavowed radical Islamic terrorism: “We’re led by a man who is a very – look, we’re led by a man that either is, is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,” Trump said. “And the something else in mind, you know, people can’t believe it. People cannot – they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the ways he acts and can’t even mention the words ‘radical Islamic terrorism.’ There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable.” ( Source) By the President's own logic, his own failure to forcefully distance himself from white supremacists and white nationalists means he is, at least, a sympathizer.But hey. Keep contorting yourself to defend the indefensible. Like it or not, words mean what they mean and your boy Trump has given us enough of his own words to show us who he is. No matter how many times you say it, how many people say it, the actual words coming out of his mouth do NOT support your claim. |
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Post by carhoch on Sept 24, 2017 20:18:44 GMT
1. His exact words in response to Charlottesville were exactly what I said they were. "There were very fine people on both sides." He never once called for any of the nationalists or Nazis to be fired or jailed. And yet he has come out forcefully against athletes who would dare exercise their right to peaceful protest. A right granted to them by the Constitution Trump swore an oath to uphold. It definitely seems like he has more sympathy/consideration for the rights of one side than the other. 2. Fortunately for us, Trump has led a very public life, so you are also wrong about the fact that his words in the "years before the issue....do not support the claim that he was calling the racists "very fine people". There is quite a record of him expressing bigoted views and of him discriminating against people of color via his businesses: Forbes "Is Donald Trump a Racist?"3. Trump often called Obama a Muslim sympathizer because, according to Trump, Obama hadn't forcefully disavowed radical Islamic terrorism: “We’re led by a man who is a very – look, we’re led by a man that either is, is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,” Trump said. “And the something else in mind, you know, people can’t believe it. People cannot – they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the ways he acts and can’t even mention the words ‘radical Islamic terrorism.’ There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable.” ( Source) By the President's own logic, his own failure to forcefully distance himself from white supremacists and white nationalists means he is, at least, a sympathizer.But hey. Keep contorting yourself to defend the indefensible. Like it or not, words mean what they mean and your boy Trump has given us enough of his own words to show us who he is. No matter how many times you say it, how many people say it, the actual words coming out of his mouth do NOT support your claim. Polifact Double check everything the president is saying and he lie 69% of the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 21:39:14 GMT
No matter how many times you say it, how many people say it, the actual words coming out of his mouth do NOT support your claim. Polifact Double check everything the president is saying and he lie 69% of the time. No matter how many ways you find to dismiss the facts, the fact remains that he did not call racists and white supremacists, "very fine people". Just as he differentiated between violent Antifa thugs protesting racism and those that were there to peacefully protest racism, he differentiated between racists protesting the removal of statues and those who aren't racist, but protested the removal of statues. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 22:13:23 GMT
"The Seattle Seahawks and Tennessee Titans remained in their locker rooms during the national anthem before their game.
"The players jointly decided this was the best course of action. Our commitment to the military and our community is resolute and the absence of our team for the national anthem shouldn't be misconstrued as unpatriotic," the Titans organization said in a statement.
The Seahawks said the team made the decision together.
"We will not stand for the injustice that has plagued people of color in this country. Out of love for our country and in honor of the sacrifices made on our behalf, we unite to oppose those that would deny our most basic freedoms," the Seahawks players said in the statement.
Titans cheerleaders were seen standing on the sidelines with hands over their hearts, like many fans in the stands.
Meghan Linsey, a Nashville singer and runner-up on NBC's The Voice," sang the national anthem. On the last note, Linsey and her guitarist took a knee."
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 22:14:27 GMT
"Five-time Pro Bowl selection Von Miller was among several Broncos players who knelt on the sidelines, while Garett Bolles and Virgil Green stood with their fists in the air.
Multiple Buffalo Bills players stood with arms around each other on the field while some players knelt with their arms interlocked. Some of those who stood held the shoulders of other players."
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 24, 2017 22:29:20 GMT
Oh puleez. Obama did far more of this than Trump has. No outcry from you and any Democrats. '' what example do you have for this or are you just freewheeling? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 23:10:22 GMT
Oh puleez. Obama did far more of this than Trump has. No outcry from you and any Democrats. '' what example do you have for this or are you just freewheeling? So far, with post history, it appears that she just makes up shit as she goes along! |
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 25, 2017 0:26:08 GMT
Oh puleez. Obama did far more of this than Trump has. No outcry from you and any Democrats. '' what example do you have for this or are you just freewheeling? um.... I have no idea what you're quoting there but I certainly did not say that! Do me a favor and edit. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 25, 2017 0:39:52 GMT
'' what example do you have for this or are you just freewheeling? um.... I have no idea what you're quoting there but I certainly did not say that! Do me a favor and edit. That is weird. The quote that artgirl was referring to was not yours, there was another poster who she was quoting--I saw it and was responding to that too--Tapatalk must be wonky!!! |
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 25, 2017 0:41:31 GMT
um.... I have no idea what you're quoting there but I certainly did not say that! Do me a favor and edit. That is weird. The quote that artgirl was referring to was not yours, there was another poster who she was quoting--I saw it and was responding to that too--Tapatalk must be wonky!!! Yes, I went back up and found it, it was lovetocolor/Lauren. I would certainly appreciate it if people did not mix me up with her! omg... |
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 25, 2017 1:53:45 GMT
Oh puleez. Obama did far more of this than Trump has. No outcry from you and any Democrats. '' what example do you have for this or are you just freewheeling? um.... I have no idea what you're quoting there but I certainly did not say that! Do me a favor and edit. My apologies. Should of been this [abbr title="Sat Sep 23 2017 22:38:56 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time)" data-timestamp="1506220736000" class="o-timestamp time recent_time"]23 hours ago[/abbr] mnmloveli likes this Post by lovetocolor on [abbr title="Sat Sep 23 2017 22:38:56 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time)" data-timestamp="1506220736000" class="o-timestamp time recent_time"]23 hours ago[/abbr] Most presidents have had the dignity and gravitas to realize that they should probably keep those opinions to themselves. Oh puleez. Obama did far more of this than Trump has. No outcry from you and any Democrats. Most former Presidents say nothing negative about the incumbent. They fade into the world of charitable works. Except Obama. No dignity; no gravitas. Just politics as usual for him. But, I know, he gets a pass because you liked him and agreed with his politics. |
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