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Post by peano on Sept 24, 2017 19:18:32 GMT
People aren't allowed to take to the streets to protest peacefully, a la Black Lives Matter, because then they're just a bunch of thugs. Again, someone who must have me confused with someone else. All of you, please stop quoting me and linking me to things that I do not support. ***Edited as soon as I reread my post to clarify that I do not support denying peaceful protest by Black Lives Matter or anyone else. I am well aware you made no post about BLM, I'm just trying to make a point, using your displeasure at players' protests interfering with your enjoyment of the game.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 24, 2017 19:31:18 GMT
The problem is that we have someone sitting in the WH who thinks that no one has the right to free speech, particularly those who may disagree with him or his decisions!
As to the sports teams, the decision is up to the owners/employers as it the case with any other employer, what employees do while on the payroll. Unfortunately with the extended range of social media, employers are now curtailing things employees post/say online. There are rules and regulations on behavior 24/7. Up until recently sports teams/athletes have not be held accountable for their actions, and still not many.
ETA: What little respect I had for the person sitting in the WH is now gone! That he thinks it is ok to call anyone for any reason a 'son of a bitch' is beyond appropriate while standing at a podium in public representing the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. It is disgusting!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 19:37:37 GMT
Just a side note--the NFL players EARNED their way to be where they are--they were not just "given" or "lucked into" their position--they are a less than 1 percent of the football talent in our country who worked hard to be where they are.
I respect their right to peacefully protest. Do I wish that it wouldn't be during the anthem? Sometimes yes. Sometimes no.
CK kneeling last year got people talking about something many would not even bother to think about, let alone discuss.
What is absolutely hypocritical is that the POTUS does more in week to disrespect the people of America, so I'll just go with
Donald Trump--YOU'RE FIRED.
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Post by valleyview on Sept 24, 2017 19:48:41 GMT
Just a side note--the NFL players EARNED their way to be where they are--they were not just "given" or "lucked into" their position--they are a less than 1 percent of the football talent in our country who worked hard to be where they are. I respect their right to peacefully protest. Do I wish that it wouldn't be during the anthem? Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. CK kneeling last year got people talking about something many would not even bother to think about, let alone discuss. What is absolutely hypocritical is that the POTUS does more in week to disrespect the people of America, so I'll just go with Donald Trump--YOU'RE FIRED. Absolutely! It's absolutely ridiculous to think that atheletes don't work hard to get to the top! No one accidentally landed in the NFL. The same goes for all of those Hollywood" elites too. It seems like there are varying definitions of hard work. Political rhetoric seems to be aimed at culture wars, and it should concern us all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 19:50:39 GMT
I can't read the article because I don't have a subscription. However, regarding what I bolded: IMO there's a time and a place. I'm so very grateful and thankful to live in a country where we have freedom of speech. Even if I don't always agree with a view, I respect the rights of others to speak it...in the right place. If I go to a football/baseball/basketball game, I'm there for the sport and not politics. If I want to watch late night comedians, I don't want the hosts lecturing about health care. If I want to watch an awards show, I'm watching to see who won, not hear every speaker discuss politics and/or the president. (FTR, I can't stand awards shows anyway.) If I go to a public school function, I don't want to be preached at. I think it's become all to common for those with a platform and audience to take advantage of that. If people want to discuss their political views, religious views, etc., they should use the correct setting, and not force it on others that aren't interested. Several years ago I worked at a law firm that had a mandatory in-house lunch, and we didn't know ahead of time about what. Turns out it was a push for Amway. I was so pissed at being forced to sit thru something I had absolutely no interest in. so everyone should cater to what you want and shove what they want to the back? Nope, I've already said I respect peoples' rights to free speech. And, I'll either just sit and listen, or I can choose to turn the channel, so nobody's catering to me. They have to choice to speak how they want, and I have the choice of whether I care to give them my attention.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 24, 2017 19:51:26 GMT
Dance Monkey Dance - or maybe notI am growing increasingly disgusted today and I probably need to walk away from social media for the rest of the day. A day after the one year anniversary of Regina Phalange's passing, I can't help but wonder if she called out the patriot humpers in full force just to mess with us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 19:55:09 GMT
f I go to a football/baseball/basketball game, I'm there for the sport and not politics. If I go to a football/baseball/basketball game I RESPECT the right of the players to exercise a non-violent protest
If I want to watch late night comedians, I don't want the hosts lecturing about health care. If I watch a late night comedian, I RESPECT their right to share their beliefs about health care based upon personal experience (or anything else)If I want to watch an awards show, I'm watching to see who won, not hear every speaker discuss politics and/or the president. (FTR, I can't stand awards shows anyway.) If I want to watch an awards show, I'm am watching to see who won, and if they choose to discuss a political/social concern during their allotted speech, then I respect that that is their choice. BECAUSE I RESPECT THEIR CHOICES. Because my opinion does not outweigh theirs. Because these are not the freedoms for which the United States stands, and for which the military has fought. BECAUSE IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU! OKAY!!!!!!!! I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR!!!!!!!!
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Post by catmom on Sept 24, 2017 20:03:32 GMT
So, for those who see someone abstaining from the national anthem as political, doesn't that necessarily mean that the anthem itself is political? I'm pretty sure I could stand, sit, kneel or do jumping jacks during "Take Me out to the ballgame" and no one would care. Following that logic, sporting events have always been politicized. It's worth considering to remove the anthem from the games as it's an odd way to start a game, not seen in another entertainment arenas, and opens itself up to these kind of reactions. Having said that, however, this means it's not so much the politicizing of entertainment events that is offensive, but rather being challenged in ones political beliefs that is truly the offensive action.
And if that's actually a thing - where I have the right to state where it is and is not acceptable to challenge my beliefs and opinions, then I would have my own list. I don't want to see religion of any stripe on TV or in political discussion. I don't want to see crazy people abuse their power, bully others or threaten nuclear holocaust on Twitter. I don't want to see swastikas, nazi salutes or hear rascist rhetoric - anywhere, ever actually. These are just a few examples of where I don't wish to be challenged or see viewpoints different from my own. World - it is your responsibility to make that happen. I agree that there is a time and place. The time and place to say things with which I agree is any time and anywhere. The time and place to say or do things I don't agree with is not anytime or anywhere that I could actually be exposed to such things or risk my worldview or opinion changed. At least not without my prior consent.
But that would significantly limit people's ability to try to inform others that there is another point of view and influence opinions to drive change in society. Which, I suspect, is the whole point (on both sides). Protest is called protest precisely because it challenges the status quo - not just in the world but in our minds and hearts. It's meant to be uncomfortable.
If a young man who makes a great deal of money is willing to potentially put his career at stake to protest something he believes in, that says something about the issue and much about the man. If a person feels so strongly about not being challenged to be willing to boycott a sport and want a person to lose their livelihood over that protest, that too says something about the nerve this issue hits.
For those who were bothered , would it be equally upsetting if he bended the knee over an issue with which you personally identify and feel strongly about? By the same token, for those who aren't bothered, would you still be okay if he did this over something you really disagreed with? For example, if he bended the knee because he feels strongly about unborn rights and want to make abortion illegal, then I confess I might be on the "don't bring your politics into my entertainment" camp. I'm not sure but it's possible - and I'm not proud of that. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to ban watching the sport or see the person fired though, so I guess I'm still essentially open to true free speech. It really made me think though.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 24, 2017 20:06:10 GMT
You know what I don't get?
When a Jehovah's Witness chooses not to stand or participate in the pledge or the anthem, it's OK. Because they're doing it out of religious beliefs. They're not being disrespectful, their beliefs just don't allow them to do so.
When one of the Trump supporters (Omarosa) says that everyone will "bend the knee" to Trump, that's OK - because bending the knee is a sign of respect and obeisance. So now, taking a knee is totally cool.
When Christians go to church, they sometimes kneel before the cross. That's OK - because it's a sign of respect.
When those stupid Calvin stickers became a thing, it didn't take long before there were trucks driving around with Calvin kneeling before a cross. That was cool, because it's a sign of respect.
In each one of those cases, taking a knee was acceptable. It wasn't seen as 'disrespectful' to the troops, to the president, to Jesus, etc.
Yet in THIS case, THESE players taking a knee at THIS time is completely unacceptable.
If kneeling/taking a knee/bending a knee to someone is a respectful thing in all of these other circumstances, why the uproar over THIS circumstance?
When it's to show obeisance to the president, that's cool. When it's to show respect to a deity, that's cool. When it's because your religious beliefs don't allow it, that's cool. But as soon as you disagree with the reason why the person takes a knee, it's all of a sudden the most horrible thing one could possibly do. Why? Because you don't like the reason they're doing it.
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Post by mnmloveli on Sept 24, 2017 20:59:33 GMT
A question for everyone here who works outside their home. How many of your bosses or companies would allow you to come to work each day and kneel for 3-5 minutes in protest of the injustices in the USA ? I think the TV platform plays a large role in them doing this. Why don't they organize their protest in their off, non-football hours ?
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 24, 2017 21:33:44 GMT
A question for everyone here who works outside their home. How many of your bosses or companies would allow you to come to work each day and kneel for 3-5 minutes in protest of the injustices in the USA ? I think the TV platform plays a large role in them doing this. Why don't they organize their protest in their off, non-football hours ? How many of your bosses play the national anthem at the beginning of your workday?
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Post by valleyview on Sept 24, 2017 21:35:38 GMT
A question for everyone here who works outside their home. How many of your bosses or companies would allow you to come to work each day and kneel for 3-5 minutes in protest of the injustices in the USA ? I think the TV platform plays a large role in them doing this. Why don't they organize their protest in their off, non-football hours ? The NFL has a code of conduct, much like any other job. It has already been stated that the players know what chances they are taking. The people who are fighting injustice in the US should include our president, but alas, it is not so.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 24, 2017 21:37:55 GMT
How many of our jobs include the performance of the national anthem on a regular basis? It’s not like these guys are coming in and making everyone wait for them to protest. The anthem will be performed and they will have to do something during that time. Maybe they wait in he locker room, maybe they stand, maybe they sit, maybe they kneel. They aren’t the ones who decided to play the anthem. If they stopped playing the anthem at the games, there wouldn’t be an opportunity to protest.
At my job, we say the pledge most mornings. I can stand, sit, kneel, or knit if the mood strikes me. The people who made the decision to say the pledge made the choice to spend the time doing that, I did not.
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Post by mnmloveli on Sept 24, 2017 21:40:24 GMT
A question for everyone here who works outside their home. How many of your bosses or companies would allow you to come to work each day and kneel for 3-5 minutes in protest of the injustices in the USA ? I think the TV platform plays a large role in them doing this. Why don't they organize their protest in their off, non-football hours ? How many of your bosses play the national anthem at the beginning of your workday? The national anthem wasn't part of my question.
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Post by mnmloveli on Sept 24, 2017 21:42:27 GMT
How many of our jobs include the performance of the national anthem on a regular basis? It’s not like these guys are coming in and making everyone wait for them to protest. The anthem will be performed and they will have to do something during that time. Maybe they wait in he locker room, maybe they stand, maybe they sit, maybe they kneel. They aren’t the ones who decided to play the anthem. If they stopped playing the anthem at the games, there wouldn’t be an opportunity to protest. At my job, we say the pledge most mornings. I can stand, sit, kneel, or knit if the mood strikes me. The people who made the decision to say the pledge made the choice to spend the time doing that, I did not. Again, my question had no mention of the national anthem.
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Post by Nink on Sept 24, 2017 21:44:08 GMT
How many of your bosses play the national anthem at the beginning of your workday? The national anthem wasn't part of my question. Either you’re involved in a completely different conversation or you’ve missed the point....entirely. I’m not sure which.
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Post by Nink on Sept 24, 2017 21:44:56 GMT
Imagine being so removed from the conditions being protested that you're more upset by the act of protest itself.
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Post by mnmloveli on Sept 24, 2017 21:47:49 GMT
The national anthem wasn't part of my question. Either you’re involved in a completely different conversation or you’ve missed the point....entirely. I’m not sure which. No I understand. Protesting at your place of employment. PERIOD.
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Post by Nink on Sept 24, 2017 21:50:51 GMT
Either you’re involved in a completely different conversation or you’ve missed the point....entirely. I’m not sure which. No I understand. Protesting at your place of employment. PERIOD. Protesting during the National Anthem at your place of employment. Period. ETA: and yes, if my job played the anthem or pledge of allegiance during my shift and I felt so inclined, I would have no problem protesting it.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 21:57:59 GMT
A question for everyone here who works outside their home. How many of your bosses or companies would allow you to come to work each day and kneel for 3-5 minutes in protest of the injustices in the USA ? I think the TV platform plays a large role in them doing this. Why don't they organize their protest in their off, non-football hours ? I am allowed to sit during the pledge if I want to.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 22:00:56 GMT
And if we are in contract negotiations, often the day will start with the employees at the flag pole for 3-5 minutes.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 22:08:31 GMT
You know what I don't get? When a Jehovah's Witness chooses not to stand or participate in the pledge or the anthem, it's OK. Because they're doing it out of religious beliefs. They're not being disrespectful, their beliefs just don't allow them to do so. When one of the Trump supporters (Omarosa) says that everyone will "bend the knee" to Trump, that's OK - because bending the knee is a sign of respect and obeisance. So now, taking a knee is totally cool. When Christians go to church, they sometimes kneel before the cross. That's OK - because it's a sign of respect. When those stupid Calvin stickers became a thing, it didn't take long before there were trucks driving around with Calvin kneeling before a cross. That was cool, because it's a sign of respect. In each one of those cases, taking a knee was acceptable. It wasn't seen as 'disrespectful' to the troops, to the president, to Jesus, etc. Yet in THIS case, THESE players taking a knee at THIS time is completely unacceptable. If kneeling/taking a knee/bending a knee to someone is a respectful thing in all of these other circumstances, why the uproar over THIS circumstance? When it's to show obeisance to the president, that's cool. When it's to show respect to a deity, that's cool. When it's because your religious beliefs don't allow it, that's cool. But as soon as you disagree with the reason why the person takes a knee, it's all of a sudden the most horrible thing one could possibly do. Why? Because you don't like the reason they're doing it. Don't forget "tebowing" haven't heard anyone bitching about that... ![](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170924/76d655a86390233a3aeaf26ce57eb78e.jpg) o "Tebowing is a neologism for the act of kneeling on one knee in prayer specifically with one's head bowed and an arm resting on the one bent knee, when kneeling, a form of genuflecting.[206][207] It is derived from Tebow's propensity for kneeling and praying. The origin of the phrase is credited to fan Jared Kleinstein, who posted a picture with friends on Facebook, in which they mimicked a pose of Tebow following the Broncos' comeback overtime victory over the Dolphins on October 23, 2011.[208] The popularity of the picture led Kleinstein to set up a website showing pictures submitted by people depicting various interpretations of Tebowing all over the world.[208] After two-and-a-half months, the site received 20,000 photograph submissions and 20 million page views from 2 million unique visitors.[209] The New York Times wrote "it can be hard to tell whether [people tebowing] are celebrating or mocking [Tebow] for his virtuous ways."[207] Pittsburgh mayor Luke Ravenstahl tebowed as part of a bet with the mayor of Denver following the Broncos playoff victory over the Steelers in 2012.[210] On October 9, 2012, Tebow was awarded the trademark to Tebowing after winning a legal battle with two fans who had expressed interest in trademarking the name. In December 2011, the life-sized wall graphics company Fathead released a "Tebowing" sticker that became the company's best-selling product in two days."
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 24, 2017 22:15:12 GMT
I can't read the article because I don't have a subscription. However, regarding what I bolded: IMO there's a time and a place. I'm so very grateful and thankful to live in a country where we have freedom of speech. Even if I don't always agree with a view, I respect the rights of others to speak it...in the right place. If I go to a football/baseball/basketball game, I'm there for the sport and not politics. If I want to watch late night comedians, I don't want the hosts lecturing about health care. If I want to watch an awards show, I'm watching to see who won, not hear every speaker discuss politics and/or the president. (FTR, I can't stand awards shows anyway.) If I go to a public school function, I don't want to be preached at. I think it's become all to common for those with a platform and audience to take advantage of that. If people want to discuss their political views, religious views, etc., they should use the correct setting, and not force it on others that aren't interested. Several years ago I worked at a law firm that had a mandatory in-house lunch, and we didn't know ahead of time about what. Turns out it was a push for Amway. I was so pissed at being forced to sit thru something I had absolutely no interest in. The late night comedians who are doing this have seen their ratings go up. I am sure that is why it keeps happening. I believe Steven Colbert had a 35% increase. While you might not agree with hearing about healthcare during late night, it sells.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 22:26:44 GMT
I can't read the article because I don't have a subscription. However, regarding what I bolded: IMO there's a time and a place. I'm so very grateful and thankful to live in a country where we have freedom of speech. Even if I don't always agree with a view, I respect the rights of others to speak it...in the right place. If I go to a football/baseball/basketball game, I'm there for the sport and not politics. If I want to watch late night comedians, I don't want the hosts lecturing about health care. If I want to watch an awards show, I'm watching to see who won, not hear every speaker discuss politics and/or the president. (FTR, I can't stand awards shows anyway.) If I go to a public school function, I don't want to be preached at. I think it's become all to common for those with a platform and audience to take advantage of that. If people want to discuss their political views, religious views, etc., they should use the correct setting, and not force it on others that aren't interested. Several years ago I worked at a law firm that had a mandatory in-house lunch, and we didn't know ahead of time about what. Turns out it was a push for Amway. I was so pissed at being forced to sit thru something I had absolutely no interest in. The late night comedians who are doing this have seen their ratings go up. I am sure that is why it keeps happening. I believe Steven Colbert had a 35% increase. While you might not agree with hearing about healthcare during late night, it sells. I think the health care was a slap at Jimmy Kimmel and his baby
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 24, 2017 22:29:03 GMT
The late night comedians who are doing this have seen their ratings go up. I am sure that is why it keeps happening. I believe Steven Colbert had a 35% increase. While you might not agree with hearing about healthcare during late night, it sells. I think the health care was a slap at Jimmy Kimmel and his baby Yup, but Steven Colbert and Seth Myers have been relentless also. My husband is a Republican and thoroughly enjoys their monologues.
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Post by valleyview on Sept 24, 2017 22:30:10 GMT
You know what I don't get? When a Jehovah's Witness chooses not to stand or participate in the pledge or the anthem, it's OK. Because they're doing it out of religious beliefs. They're not being disrespectful, their beliefs just don't allow them to do so. When one of the Trump supporters (Omarosa) says that everyone will "bend the knee" to Trump, that's OK - because bending the knee is a sign of respect and obeisance. So now, taking a knee is totally cool. When Christians go to church, they sometimes kneel before the cross. That's OK - because it's a sign of respect. When those stupid Calvin stickers became a thing, it didn't take long before there were trucks driving around with Calvin kneeling before a cross. That was cool, because it's a sign of respect. In each one of those cases, taking a knee was acceptable. It wasn't seen as 'disrespectful' to the troops, to the president, to Jesus, etc. Yet in THIS case, THESE players taking a knee at THIS time is completely unacceptable. If kneeling/taking a knee/bending a knee to someone is a respectful thing in all of these other circumstances, why the uproar over THIS circumstance? When it's to show obeisance to the president, that's cool. When it's to show respect to a deity, that's cool. When it's because your religious beliefs don't allow it, that's cool. But as soon as you disagree with the reason why the person takes a knee, it's all of a sudden the most horrible thing one could possibly do. Why? Because you don't like the reason they're doing it. Don't forget "tebowing" haven't heard anyone bitching about that... ![](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170924/76d655a86390233a3aeaf26ce57eb78e.jpg) o "Tebowing is a neologism for the act of kneeling on one knee in prayer specifically with one's head bowed and an arm resting on the one bent knee, when kneeling, a form of genuflecting.[206][207] It is derived from Tebow's propensity for kneeling and praying. The origin of the phrase is credited to fan Jared Kleinstein, who posted a picture with friends on Facebook, in which they mimicked a pose of Tebow following the Broncos' comeback overtime victory over the Dolphins on October 23, 2011.[208] The popularity of the picture led Kleinstein to set up a website showing pictures submitted by people depicting various interpretations of Tebowing all over the world.[208] After two-and-a-half months, the site received 20,000 photograph submissions and 20 million page views from 2 million unique visitors.[209] The New York Times wrote "it can be hard to tell whether [people tebowing] are celebrating or mocking [Tebow] for his virtuous ways."[207] Pittsburgh mayor Luke Ravenstahl tebowed as part of a bet with the mayor of Denver following the Broncos playoff victory over the Steelers in 2012.[210] On October 9, 2012, Tebow was awarded the trademark to Tebowing after winning a legal battle with two fans who had expressed interest in trademarking the name. In December 2011, the life-sized wall graphics company Fathead released a "Tebowing" sticker that became the company's best-selling product in two days." The linked article in the OP compared Tebow and Kaepernick. Both Christians. Both quarterbacks. Both kneeling on camera. Neither one an "sob". But one of them is revered for his beliefs and the other is not.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 22:33:28 GMT
Don't forget "tebowing" haven't heard anyone bitching about that... ![](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170924/76d655a86390233a3aeaf26ce57eb78e.jpg) o "Tebowing is a neologism for the act of kneeling on one knee in prayer specifically with one's head bowed and an arm resting on the one bent knee, when kneeling, a form of genuflecting.[206][207] It is derived from Tebow's propensity for kneeling and praying. The origin of the phrase is credited to fan Jared Kleinstein, who posted a picture with friends on Facebook, in which they mimicked a pose of Tebow following the Broncos' comeback overtime victory over the Dolphins on October 23, 2011.[208] The popularity of the picture led Kleinstein to set up a website showing pictures submitted by people depicting various interpretations of Tebowing all over the world.[208] After two-and-a-half months, the site received 20,000 photograph submissions and 20 million page views from 2 million unique visitors.[209] The New York Times wrote "it can be hard to tell whether [people tebowing] are celebrating or mocking [Tebow] for his virtuous ways."[207] Pittsburgh mayor Luke Ravenstahl tebowed as part of a bet with the mayor of Denver following the Broncos playoff victory over the Steelers in 2012.[210] On October 9, 2012, Tebow was awarded the trademark to Tebowing after winning a legal battle with two fans who had expressed interest in trademarking the name. In December 2011, the life-sized wall graphics company Fathead released a "Tebowing" sticker that became the company's best-selling product in two days." The linked article in the OP compared Tebow and Kaepernick. Both Christians. Both quarterbacks. Both kneeling on camera. Neither one an "sob". But one of them is revered for his beliefs and the other is not. butTebow did not kneel during the anthem. I think trying to compare them is futile. One knelt in reverence, one in protest. One during a time that didn't offend people, one who did. Neither is an sob.
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Post by SockMonkey on Sept 24, 2017 22:35:19 GMT
Imagine being so removed from the conditions being protested that you're more upset by the act of protest itself. ...and annoyed it's interfering with your entertainment and enjoyment. I do not have enough eyebrows to raise.
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Post by valleyview on Sept 24, 2017 22:42:51 GMT
I think that Tebow did offend people. The acts can be compared because they both garnered attention, and they both had difficulty maintaining a job afterwards.
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Post by ellen on Sept 24, 2017 22:45:49 GMT
A question for everyone here who works outside their home. How many of your bosses or companies would allow you to come to work each day and kneel for 3-5 minutes in protest of the injustices in the USA ? I think the TV platform plays a large role in them doing this. Why don't they organize their protest in their off, non-football hours ? I work a job where we are required to do the flag pledge at least once a week. If I choose to not participate that is my right. One of my coworkers who used to do the pledge with her class quit after it became required by our state to do it. She was not a fan of forced patriotism and opted to quit doing it. Her class did it, but she sat while they did it. I am also not a fan of forced patriotism, but since I had been doing the pledge with my class prior to the law I continued to do it. But if I wanted to protest the injustices of the USA during that time by kneeling or sitting, I could. Other than athletes and teachers, how many people are required to do the pledge or national anthem at their workplace? SaveSave
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