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Post by stittsygirl on Sept 25, 2017 3:41:36 GMT
I couldn't care less about his beliefs. I will exercise my right to not watch the disrespect to the men and women of all races, all skin colors, and all religions who have fought, bled and given their very lives to protect the freedoms that these extremely well-paid athletes are taking full advantage of. IT IS NOT DISRESPECTFUL TO EXERCISE ONE'S RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. Peaceful protest is exactly one of the freedoms all veterans have fought for. My dad fought in Vietnam. He's not ass hurt about Kaepernick, because he understands what he's doing. He doesn't feel disrespected one bit. My husband, a 31-year veteran of the army and navy and huge NFL fan, feels the same way and has fully supported any player's and citizen's right to protest what they see as injustice. |
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Post by Clair on Sept 25, 2017 4:00:15 GMT
The current POTUS should follow your rule. So should Neil Gorsch (who is out on the support/campaign trail for McConnell et al) I totally disagree with your opinion. President Trump isn't protesting; he's trying to improve our country. Football and some baseball players too, should watch NASCAR and get some pointers. I’m sure these football and baseball players don’t need to watch NASCAR - I’m sure they are all capable of making left turns. It’s not like NASCAR is ethnically diverse - it’s a very white sport. If you think Trump is trying to improve our country - I’ve got ocean front property in Arizona for you... I believe that these men taking a knee is a very powerful protest! Rather than being upset about the protests, maybe you should think about why they felt the need to do it. Look in the mirror. |
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Post by suzastampin on Sept 25, 2017 12:07:51 GMT
I didn't like the knelling when Capernick started it. I was thinking it was a slap in the face to all military who served and fought for our flag and our freedom. But, that's just it...they fought for our freedom of speech and the right to peaceful protest.
Yesterday I stood behind every player who chose to knell or stand in locked arms. What President stands up on the world stage and calls anybody an SOB, including the football players that he railed against and wanted them fired? He's crass and classless and has divided our nation even more in 9 months.
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Post by Merge on Sept 25, 2017 13:14:36 GMT
The current POTUS should follow your rule. So should Neil Gorsch (who is out on the support/campaign trail for McConnell et al) I totally disagree with your opinion. President Trump isn't protesting; he's trying to improve our country. Football and some baseball players too, should watch NASCAR and get some pointers. Please do tell how POTUS calling citizens, who are peacefully exercising their 1st amendment rights, SOBs on Twitter is “improving our country.” |
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 25, 2017 13:33:26 GMT
So let’s quit playing the national anthem at “their job”. Problem solved. In my 30+ years of working no one was made to participate in on the clock activities that were not part of your main job description- as in sports players playing their sport. until 2009 most teams weren't on the field before the national anthem - Just because you assigned that meaning to that particular action doesn't make it so. The national anthem had never been about veterans, either in lyrics or in usage. It is about our country. Full stop. agreed - where in the hell do people get this? just quit - enough vets have said that they aren't related so stop saying they are - I was thinking it was a slap in the face to all military who served and fought for our flag and our freedom. But, that's just it...they fought for our freedom of speech and the right to peaceful protest. it's not a slap in the face - stop saying it is people erroneously attributing this as an insult - that is a slap in the face gina |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 25, 2017 13:42:18 GMT
I can't read the article because I don't have a subscription. However, regarding what I bolded: IMO there's a time and a place. I'm so very grateful and thankful to live in a country where we have freedom of speech. Even if I don't always agree with a view, I respect the rights of others to speak it...in the right place. If I go to a football/baseball/basketball game, I'm there for the sport and not politics. If I want to watch late night comedians, I don't want the hosts lecturing about health care. If I want to watch an awards show, I'm watching to see who won, not hear every speaker discuss politics and/or the president. (FTR, I can't stand awards shows anyway.) If I go to a public school function, I don't want to be preached at. I think it's become all to common for those with a platform and audience to take advantage of that. If people want to discuss their political views, religious views, etc., they should use the correct setting, and not force it on others that aren't interested. Several years ago I worked at a law firm that had a mandatory in-house lunch, and we didn't know ahead of time about what. Turns out it was a push for Amway. I was so pissed at being forced to sit thru something I had absolutely no interest in. So when exactly is the right time? Where is the right place? People complain about any protesting that occurs. It would seem that, as someone pointed out several pages ago, people just want to ignore the injustices and go on about their lives in their own little bubble. Don't want to be inconvenienced or made to feel bad or think about what the protests actually stand for. But that is exactly why people use their platform. Because I less someone is uncomfortable in some way, they will continue to ignore the bigger issues. |
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Post by mnmloveli on Sept 25, 2017 14:19:18 GMT
President Trump isn't protesting; he's trying to improve our country. Football and some baseball players too, should watch NASCAR and get some pointers. Please do tell how POTUS calling citizens, who are peacefully exercising their 1st amendment rights, SOBs on Twitter is “improving our country.” I agree with President Trump. They are SOB's disrespecting our country. For ALL the people not happy here, especially the ones making millions of dollars, the borders are open going out; feel free to choose a new country and lots of luck to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 14:25:32 GMT
So mixing religion with the "game" is ok....but not politics. M'kay. read the post without your bias jumping in. I said you can't compare the two effectively. They don't equate to the same thing. I don't think either is wrong or right. Trying to say that one was okay soley because the player was white and one wasn't soley because the player was black is overly simplistic at best, which is most often why the comparison is brought up. I could care less the color of the person doing it and I could care less WHEN they are doing it. The point IS saying I don't want politics with my football but then to applaud religious inference.....smacks of hypocrisy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 14:32:56 GMT
I didn't realize standing up for freedoms and beliefs required anyone to be "off the clock". To keep your job it definitely should. But that will be up to the individual owners/bosses This. Sure you can protest but I support an owner's right to deal with that employee as they see fit. I DO NOT feel POTUS needs to be involved. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Sept 25, 2017 15:01:14 GMT
So let’s quit playing the national anthem at “their job”. Problem solved. In my 30+ years of working no one was made to participate in on the clock activities that were not part of your main job description- as in sports players playing their sport. until 2009 most teams weren't on the field before the national anthem - gina And that coincided with huge payments from the DOD to the NFL to market the armed forces to their fans as a recruitment tool. Kind of puts a whole other spin on the politicization of the NFL. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Sept 25, 2017 15:04:38 GMT
Please do tell how POTUS calling citizens, who are peacefully exercising their 1st amendment rights, SOBs on Twitter is “improving our country.” I agree with President Trump. They are SOB's disrespecting our country. For ALL the people not happy here, especially the ones making millions of dollars, the borders are open going out; feel free to choose a new country and lots of luck to you. Whether you agree or not wasn't the question, though, was it? How is it improving your country? |
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Post by casii on Sept 25, 2017 15:10:27 GMT
If Trump wants to improve the country, perhaps he should turn his attention to Puerto Rico where our fellow citizens are suffering rather than berating peaceful protesters. If I could, I'd be there, but I can't right now and I'm subjected to false self-righteousness of people who value a symbol more than their fellow brothers and sisters in humanity.
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Post by Tasha on Sept 25, 2017 15:20:26 GMT
I agree with President Trump. They are SOB's disrespecting our country. For ALL the people not happy here, especially the ones making millions of dollars, the borders are open going out; feel free to choose a new country and lots of luck to you. Whether you agree or not wasn't the question, though, was it? How is it improving your country? I have the same question to those kneeling in protest. How is that improving our country? I've not been comfortable with the players kneeling, but I couldn't put my finger on why. I do agree that they have the right to peaceful protest. They have their first amendment rights. And I found someone on Facebook today that spoke (mostly) what I was thinking. link
I don't agree with everything he said, but I agree with the part where he said, what is this protest doing to make Black Lives Matter? What is this protest doing to change anything? I agree with the video that all these players protesting should be doing something besides kneeling. Meet with the police force to come up with ideas on what can improve relations. I can't say that I'm at all knowledgable about the charities and things they do outside of the game, but hopefully they are out doing something other than kneeling during the national anthem. I also agree when he said that the protesters need to acknowledge all the good that has came from being in this country. He uses the idea that the black community has gone from being slaves, being segregated to one family being the President of The United States. To making millions playing a game that they love. I know we have a long way to go to make race relations not an issue. I don't know the half of it, I'm sure. But those are my feelings. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Sept 25, 2017 15:20:31 GMT
So while people are kneeling or whatever they feel compelled to do during the Anthem, why don't you just go get some wings. It will all be over soon, and the game will start and you can enjoy it and your football food. You know, the same principle as on 2 Peas--you don't like a thread, just scroll on by. Or why don't people stand and honor the flag if that is what YOU want to do. Why does what YOU want have to be what the players want to do? I do not understand how what happens during the 3 minutes of the playing of the National Anthem impacts anyone's ability to enjoy the football game. |
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Post by mnmloveli on Sept 25, 2017 15:21:50 GMT
I agree with President Trump. They are SOB's disrespecting our country. For ALL the people not happy here, especially the ones making millions of dollars, the borders are open going out; feel free to choose a new country and lots of luck to you. Whether you agree or not wasn't the question, though, was it? How is it improving your country? President Trump, whether you want him to or not, has FREEDOM OF SPEECH also. He is showing the country that we are not alone in feeling that disrespecting our country is not acceptable. I am all for freedom of speech - ON YOUR OWN TIME ! I wonder if these million dollar football players would take their personal time to do this - I DOUBT IT ! There too busy getting arrested on their free time. |
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Post by maryannscraps on Sept 25, 2017 15:25:15 GMT
The current POTUS should follow your rule. So should Neil Gorsch (who is out on the support/campaign trail for McConnell et al) I totally disagree with your opinion. President Trump isn't protesting; he's trying to improve our country. Football and some baseball players too, should watch NASCAR and get some pointers. I completely disagree with that. He, as an official of the government, is trying to prevent public protest. To me, that's bordering on unconstitutional. In my opinion, if the NFL owners allow it, then the players have that right to protest. NASCAR also has the right to prevent it, and I'm also fine with that. I'm not all fine with Trump getting into the middle of it. I think that many people don't understand what the first Amendment entails. It has nothing to do with private companies and everything to do with the government's reaction to dissent. They don't get to fire you, arrest you, or put you on a blacklist. Trump does not get to compel companies to fire anyone. As he has made his twitter account a platform for government policy, he doesn't get to ignore the first Amendment. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Sept 25, 2017 15:27:43 GMT
Don't forget "tebowing" haven't heard anyone bitching about that...  o "Tebowing is a neologism for the act of kneeling on one knee in prayer specifically with one's head bowed and an arm resting on the one bent knee, when kneeling, a form of genuflecting.[206][207] It is derived from Tebow's propensity for kneeling and praying. The origin of the phrase is credited to fan Jared Kleinstein, who posted a picture with friends on Facebook, in which they mimicked a pose of Tebow following the Broncos' comeback overtime victory over the Dolphins on October 23, 2011.[208] The popularity of the picture led Kleinstein to set up a website showing pictures submitted by people depicting various interpretations of Tebowing all over the world.[208] After two-and-a-half months, the site received 20,000 photograph submissions and 20 million page views from 2 million unique visitors.[209] The New York Times wrote "it can be hard to tell whether [people tebowing] are celebrating or mocking [Tebow] for his virtuous ways."[207] Pittsburgh mayor Luke Ravenstahl tebowed as part of a bet with the mayor of Denver following the Broncos playoff victory over the Steelers in 2012.[210] On October 9, 2012, Tebow was awarded the trademark to Tebowing after winning a legal battle with two fans who had expressed interest in trademarking the name. In December 2011, the life-sized wall graphics company Fathead released a "Tebowing" sticker that became the company's best-selling product in two days." The linked article in the OP compared Tebow and Kaepernick. Both Christians. Both quarterbacks. Both kneeling on camera. Neither one an "sob". But one of them is revered for his beliefs and the other is not. hmmm wonder what the difference is?   |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Sept 25, 2017 15:31:59 GMT
I work a job where we are required to do the flag pledge at least once a week. If I choose to not participate that is my right. One of my coworkers who used to do the pledge with her class quit after it became required by our state to do it. She was not a fan of forced patriotism and opted to quit doing it. Her class did it, but she sat while they did it. I am also not a fan of forced patriotism, but since I had been doing the pledge with my class prior to the law I continued to do it. But if I wanted to protest the injustices of the USA during that time by kneeling or sitting, I could. Other than athletes and teachers, how many people are required to do the pledge or national anthem at their workplace? SaveSaveMy question had nothing to do with the national anthem. I wanted to know how many people thought their bosses or companies would allow them to protest injustices in the U.S. for 3-5 minutes every day on company time. All these football and/or baseball players should protest on their own time; not company time. My boss would have no issue with it. We are encouraged to do what we feel will make our community better. He gave me two days off to go the March on Washington. Paid. Didn't count as vacation. Back to football... do they get paid to stand during the National Anthem or to play football? They have only been standing during the National Anthem for 7 years, when the NFL started getting paid for them to do so. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Sept 25, 2017 15:33:33 GMT
Whether you agree or not wasn't the question, though, was it? How is it improving your country? President Trump, whether you want him to or not, has FREEDOM OF SPEECH also. He is showing the country that we are not alone in feeling that disrespecting our country is not acceptable. I am all for freedom of speech - ON YOUR OWN TIME ! I wonder if these million dollar football players would take their personal time to do this - I DOUBT IT ! There [sic] too busy getting arrested on their free time. Which, again, doesn't answer the question. Yes, you agree with him - cool, awesome. How is it improving your country? |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Sept 25, 2017 15:36:26 GMT
we've answered it. I can protest at work, during the pledge or at the beginning of the day. I can join the gsa and stand with them during the lunch or when not actively teaching. I can do the same and pray with the fca. Just because you can't and you don't want to and you dislike that they are doing it DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM doesn't mean that is the case everywhere. We've answered based in the pledge and/or the anthem because that is when this particular protest that you have issues with is also happening. Thank you for mentioning you CAN protest on lunch or when not actively teaching. Protest on your own time. EXACTLY ! At a time when she is NOT ACTIVELY doing her job.. just like the football players.. who are NOT ACTIVELY playing football. It would be a whole different conversation if they were kneeling on the field during a play. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Sept 25, 2017 15:38:51 GMT
Whether you agree or not wasn't the question, though, was it? How is it improving your country? I have the same question to those kneeling in protest. How is that improving our country? By starting a conversation, one that is long overdue, in a peaceful, non-violent manner. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Sept 25, 2017 15:42:54 GMT
Whether you agree or not wasn't the question, though, was it? How is it improving your country?
I've not been comfortable with the players kneeling, but I couldn't put my finger on why. I do agree that they have the right to peaceful protest. They have their first amendment rights. And I found someone on Facebook today that spoke (mostly) what I was thinking. link
I don't agree with everything he said, but I agree with the part where he said, what is this protest doing to make Black Lives Matter? What is this protest doing to change anything? I agree with the video that all these players protesting should be doing something besides kneeling. Meet with the police force to come up with ideas on what can improve relations. I can't say that I'm at all knowledgable about the charities and things they do outside of the game, but hopefully they are out doing something other than kneeling during the national anthem. I also agree when he said that the protesters need to acknowledge all the good that has came from being in this country. He uses the idea that the black community has gone from being slaves, being segregated to one family being the President of The United States. To making millions playing a game that they love. I know we have a long way to go to make race relations not an issue. I don't know the half of it, I'm sure. But those are my feelings. It is the same as those who sat at the Lunch Counters during the Civil Rights Movement or sitting on a bus, they are bringing awareness and starting a conversation about these issues. They are publically demonstrating that they do not support what the President has been tweeting, and that social justice matters. |
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Post by pierogi on Sept 25, 2017 15:46:11 GMT
How is Trump improving the country?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 15:51:55 GMT
How is Trump improving the country? Boy that is a good question and I sure wish someone would answer that question. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 25, 2017 15:52:11 GMT
I didn't realize standing up for freedoms and beliefs required anyone to be "off the clock". To keep your job it definitely should. But that will be up to the individual owners/bosses Exactly. So why is Trump involving himself in this? Oh, yeah. Because he likes to find divisive social issues and insert himself to create even more of a divide. That is how he won the election and what he continues to do now that he is President. Teachers are the only people that I can think of that have a situation that would be similar to standing for the national anthem. Comparing the athletes to the rest of us and our jobs is like comparing apples to oranges. |
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Post by peace on Sept 25, 2017 15:55:21 GMT
Whether you agree or not wasn't the question, though, was it? How is it improving your country? I have the same question to those kneeling in protest. How is that improving our country? I've not been comfortable with the players kneeling, but I couldn't put my finger on why. I do agree that they have the right to peaceful protest. They have their first amendment rights. And I found someone on Facebook today that spoke (mostly) what I was thinking. link
I don't agree with everything he said, but I agree with the part where he said, what is this protest doing to make Black Lives Matter? What is this protest doing to change anything? I agree with the video that all these players protesting should be doing something besides kneeling. Meet with the police force to come up with ideas on what can improve relations. I can't say that I'm at all knowledgable about the charities and things they do outside of the game, but hopefully they are out doing something other than kneeling during the national anthem. I also agree when he said that the protesters need to acknowledge all the good that has came from being in this country. He uses the idea that the black community has gone from being slaves, being segregated to one family being the President of The United States. To making millions playing a game that they love. I know we have a long way to go to make race relations not an issue. I don't know the half of it, I'm sure. But those are my feelings. your link doesn't work. These players are trying to bring about awareness that will result in change. This country has deep systemic racism. As white folks, we can ignore it should we choose to. We live in our bubbles and don't have to deal with it if we don't want to. I'm sure the millionaire sports stars could do that, too, but they come from a different reality. I applaud anyone with a platform that decides not to forget where they came from and to use it for change. You admit you don't know the half of it- I encourage you to research. White privilege allows us to have an opinion of not wanting to be bothered with these "annoying" details and game enjoying distractions. POC cannot NOT be bothered. Protesting brings awareness. Awareness brings change. If the awareness is uncomfortable, then good. |
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Post by ajsweetpea on Sept 25, 2017 15:57:59 GMT
I support the athletes for standing up for what they believe in. I do not see their actions as being disrespectful to the military. I DO find Donald Trump's previous comments about the military to be disrespectful. He said about John McCain, "“He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” Why is no one up in arms about that? Not to mention, I saw TONS of people on Facebook commenting to John McCain after he voted against the replacement for Obamacare wishing him dead, hoping his cancer would kill him, calling him a traitor, etc. But that's not disrespect?! So these football players who have said not one word against the military are being disrespectful, but wishing death to a veteran who was previously captured and tortured or saying that he is not a hero is perfectly acceptable? Got it.
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Post by mnmloveli on Sept 25, 2017 16:13:12 GMT
President Trump isn't protesting; he's trying to improve our country. Football and some baseball players too, should watch NASCAR and get some pointers. I completely disagree with that. He, as an official of the government, is trying to prevent public protest. To me, that's bordering on unconstitutional. In my opinion, if the NFL owners allow it, then the players have that right to protest. NASCAR also has the right to prevent it, and I'm also fine with that. I'm not all fine with Trump getting into the middle of it. Do you even understand what the first Amendment entails? It has nothing to do with private companies and everything to do with the government's reaction to dissent. They don't get to fire you, arrest you, or put you on a blacklist. Trump does not get to compel companies to fire anyone. As he has made his twitter account a platform for government policy, he doesn't get to ignore the first Amendment. [ The individual owners will make their own decisions as has been happening. The fans will choose to watch or not watch and "boo" in the stadiums as was happening all day yesterday. America will make their opinions known. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 25, 2017 16:15:00 GMT
Whether you agree or not wasn't the question, though, was it? How is it improving your country? I have the same question to those kneeling in protest. How is that improving our country? I've not been comfortable with the players kneeling, but I couldn't put my finger on why. I do agree that they have the right to peaceful protest. They have their first amendment rights. And I found someone on Facebook today that spoke (mostly) what I was thinking. link
I don't agree with everything he said, but I agree with the part where he said, what is this protest doing to make Black Lives Matter? What is this protest doing to change anything? I agree with the video that all these players protesting should be doing something besides kneeling. Meet with the police force to come up with ideas on what can improve relations. I can't say that I'm at all knowledgable about the charities and things they do outside of the game, but hopefully they are out doing something other than kneeling during the national anthem. I also agree when he said that the protesters need to acknowledge all the good that has came from being in this country. He uses the idea that the black community has gone from being slaves, being segregated to one family being the President of The United States. To making millions playing a game that they love. I know we have a long way to go to make race relations not an issue. I don't know the half of it, I'm sure. But those are my feelings. How do you know what they are doing off the field? There was just a player on CNN and he discussed many of the ways that players do good in the community. Those just are not covered on the news. |
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Post by mnmloveli on Sept 25, 2017 16:16:22 GMT
My question had nothing to do with the national anthem. I wanted to know how many people thought their bosses or companies would allow them to protest injustices in the U.S. for 3-5 minutes every day on company time. All these football and/or baseball players should protest on their own time; not company time. My boss would have no issue with it. We are encouraged to do what we feel will make our community better. He gave me two days off to go the March on Washington. Paid. Didn't count as vacation. Back to football... do they get paid to stand during the National Anthem or to play football? They have only been standing during the National Anthem for 7 years, when the NFL started getting paid for them to do so. You have a very generous boss. I would not allow protesting during business hours. And yes, some teams have this in their contracts. You make your millions in this country; you support this country. If not, get the next flight out. |
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