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Post by paperamy on Oct 13, 2017 18:43:47 GMT
Did they delete the thread? I can’t find it anymore. Hahaha. If they did, that’s hilarious. They don’t mind people asking questions, right?
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Post by mom on Oct 13, 2017 18:45:43 GMT
Did they delete the thread? I can’t find it anymore. Hahaha. If they did, that’s hilarious. They don’t mind people asking questions, right? I’m on my phone - ya know, working for my money - so maybe I am just missing it. But I can’t find it.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Oct 13, 2017 18:50:44 GMT
I go back to my original statement, people are going to push back when you offer free content and then decide you want people to pay for it. Tracie's shadiness with the medical donations is the main reason there is pushback. I also can't help but laugh at the childishness of "we don't want you to listen if you're not happy with us asking for money." I work with complaining clients daily. If you want to run this like a business and get paid, that's the first major mistake you're making. You don't alienate possible paying guests by telling them to go elsewhere. This is why the scrappy "stars" get no respect. Acting like a bunch of little girls whose feelings got hurt. This isn't about you and your ego. Or if it is, you're in for a world of disappointment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 18:52:10 GMT
Nope still there.....It's their "asking for money" post so it won't get deleted. Just our responses.
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Post by dasmith2 on Oct 13, 2017 18:53:39 GMT
It's not deleted they're still handslapping me. That's probably why it's still up. I'm a party of one over there lol.
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Post by loveslabradors on Oct 13, 2017 18:55:02 GMT
I go back to my original statement, people are going to push back when you offer free content and then decide you want people to pay for it. Tracie's shadiness with the medical donations is the main reason there is pushback. I also can't help but laugh at the childishness of "we don't want you to listen if you're not happy with us asking for money." I work with complaining clients daily. If you want to run this like a business and get paid, that's the first major mistake you're making. You don't alienate possible paying guests by telling them to go elsewhere. This is why the scrappy "stars" get no respect. Acting like a bunch of little girls whose feelings got hurt. This isn't about you and your ego. Or if it is, you're in for a world of disappointment. Exactly. If Tracie hadn't gotten all that money donated towards her free surgery, this wouldn't even be an issue. I don't think many people would bat an eye at their current "fundraiser" if everything else was on the up and up. But it's not, and that's why she's being questioned so hard. Of course neither of them understands that, though
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Post by nicolep on Oct 13, 2017 19:01:26 GMT
Can anyone say "once bitten twice shy?"
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Oct 13, 2017 19:06:16 GMT
They know exactly why people are questioning them, but it's part of the manipulative nature (of at least Tracie) to try and single out naysayers as the actual bad guys instead of answering the legitimate questions regarding why they won't do a set up that is much more transparent.
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 13, 2017 19:49:15 GMT
Can anyone say "once bitten twice shy?" Fool me once...
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Post by mom on Oct 13, 2017 20:43:20 GMT
Well, I just commented. Counting down till I am banned again....
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Post by scrappyesq on Oct 13, 2017 20:44:57 GMT
If they want money to defray costs, they should be using the money that fans gave Tracie for the pacemaker surgery. The surgery she ended up getting for free. This is going to sound really harsh, but I'm just going to say it- anyone who donates to Tracie this time around is a fool.
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Post by scrappyesq on Oct 13, 2017 20:46:46 GMT
I listen to several podcasts, most of them I've been listening to them for a number of years.....not once can I recall any of them asking for donations.
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Oct 13, 2017 20:49:35 GMT
Well I certainly missed a lot of excitement overnight. I'm really glad you posted in the group dasmith2 and @anmore. Irrespective of whether only 2% of their group donate or not I think people should see how much they could get if everyone donated $5. I have no problem with them seeking money above their hosting costs as long as they are upfront about it. I listen to a comedy podcast that (through patreon) asks for donations to cover hosting fees, pay a producer for their show, and allow them to perform the occasional show live including attending the LA pod fest which involves international airfares. Until about a month ago they had never had a sponsor to cover any of those costs. Their transparency about where the money goes allows me to make an informed purchasing decision. Tracie doesn't seem to have grasped the idea that being open about the costs might actually make people more likely to contribute.
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Post by paperamy on Oct 13, 2017 20:59:25 GMT
Inkie Quill set up a patreon with a goal. She said if she reached her goal, it would be enough monthly income where she could quit her job and be a full time YouTuber/Scrapper. She was upfront about how much she needed a month and that this was not associated with costs...this was essentially a salary for her. The lowest tier is either $1 or $5 a month I think.
And people signed up. When she met her goal, she didn’t advertise how much over her goal was pledged but obviously it is a great deal more than her initial request. And her patreons are fine with that.
If Scrap Gals provides a premium subscription to offset the costs and provide extra income for them, I would not have a problem with that. And I think some of their followers would be on board.
It’s this “give us money because of all the free stuff we do for you” crap that annoys me.
I listen to other podcasts who have mentioned that they will accept donations. And they always are upfront on why...hosting, new mike, etc.
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Post by cannmom on Oct 13, 2017 21:30:26 GMT
Does anyone have any clue just how much their wanting in total? There is no stated goal. That's the problem. I asked what her costs were for data storage every month and this was her reply "We have said it many times, it's over $1,000 a year and that's about how much we get each year." That's when she started getting testy and Tiffany chimed in. My thoughts are if it's a business treat it like a business and run it like a business. Quit with the "this a labor of love and we do so much for free"if you don't want to be doing things for free. I would think that the retreats are making money and the podcasts get people to sign up for the retreats. So, in a way they are getting paid for the podcasts. Just not directly.
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Post by oaksong on Oct 13, 2017 22:24:07 GMT
Grifters, panhandlers, call it what you will. If it's a hobby, not a business, and you want to be paid for it, then it's fine to ask for "donations". Same as if you played guitar on a street corner and people threw money into your guitar case. Or you could stand in front of the 7-11 and ask people for money. No problem.
If it's a business with legitimate expenses and salaries, then set it up like one. Create a revenue stream through paying customers, ad income, whatever. Pay your damn taxes like the rest of the working world.
If you want to offer a divine gift, expect people to question your legitimacy when you ask for money.
Tracie deserves all of the comments that have been laid on her here and elsewhere. She should be worried about crossing into criminal territory at this point.
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Oct 13, 2017 22:49:52 GMT
Can one of the US peas give me some insight into the bolded part? From what I understand a social security number is similar to the tax file numbers we have in Australia in that each person has a unique number which is used when making tax returns, etc (we include ours on all new employment forms so our employer can make tax deductions on our behalf for example). I assume you would have a separate identification number for any business you own that allows the government to track your business tax claims vs your personal ones? Is that correct? If so, why is her personal number linked to her business Paypal account? Is it just that the bank account linked to her paypal has her personal SSN attached to it?
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Post by scrapnnana on Oct 13, 2017 22:57:21 GMT
Inkie Quill set up a patreon with a goal. She said if she reached her goal, it would be enough monthly income where she could quit her job and be a full time YouTuber/Scrapper. She was upfront about how much she needed a month and that this was not associated with costs...this was essentially a salary for her. The lowest tier is either $1 or $5 a month I think. And people signed up. When she met her goal, she didn’t advertise how much over her goal was pledged but obviously it is a great deal more than her initial request. And her patreons are fine with that. If Scrap Gals provides a premium subscription to offset the costs and provide extra income for them, I would not have a problem with that. And I think some of their followers would be on board. It’s this “give us money because of all the free stuff we do for you” crap that annoys me. I listen to other podcasts who have mentioned that they will accept donations. And they always are upfront on why...hosting, new mike, etc. I have no dog in this fight, but I've been following it out of curiosity. I like your comments, paperamy. Just one question that has been mentioned in this thread. So, Tracie asked for donations for surgery that ended up being done free or something? How recently? How did she get free surgery (doctor might donate his/her time, but hospital won't usually)? That just seems really bizarre. I'm really curious about this story that everyone seems to know about. Except me. Anyone want to explain?
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Post by paperamy on Oct 13, 2017 23:05:19 GMT
Can one of the US peas give me some insight into the bolded part? From what I understand a social security number is similar to the tax file numbers we have in Australia in that each person has a unique number which is used when making tax returns, etc (we include ours on all new employment forms so our employer can make tax deductions on our behalf for example). I assume you would have a separate identification number for any business you own that allows the government to track your business tax claims vs your personal ones? Is that correct? If so, why is her personal number linked to her business Paypal account? Is it just that the bank account linked to her paypal has her personal SSN attached to it? I took this from a tax site: “In the case of a sole proprietorship, a Social Security number is the same thing as the business' tax identification number. A sole proprietor's personal Social Security number automatically covers his business activities--the owner and business are one and the same. But owners of other business types (partnerships and corporations) must apply for a separate tax identification number in order to conduct business. “ Not sure if that helps...we don’t really know what The Scrap Gals is, but it can’t be a “sole proprietorship”. I seriously doubt they even have a legal business entity.
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Post by oaksong on Oct 13, 2017 23:15:26 GMT
Can one of the US peas give me some insight into the bolded part? From what I understand a social security number is similar to the tax file numbers we have in Australia in that each person has a unique number which is used when making tax returns, etc (we include ours on all new employment forms so our employer can make tax deductions on our behalf for example). I assume you would have a separate identification number for any business you own that allows the government to track your business tax claims vs your personal ones? Is that correct? If so, why is her personal number linked to her business Paypal account? Is it just that the bank account linked to her paypal has her personal SSN attached to it? PayPal is most likely required to issue a 1099, like any business, if they pay an individual more than $600 per year. It's a form of earning statement, and the IRS gets a copy. That's why Tracie doesn't want to use PayPal. As I recall, her 5-figure medical donations went to her husband's PayPal account. She seems to be hell-bent on positioning herself as having no reportable income. Maybe she's on welfare, disability, or some kind of government dole.
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Post by JustTricia on Oct 13, 2017 23:22:19 GMT
Can one of the US peas give me some insight into the bolded part? From what I understand a social security number is similar to the tax file numbers we have in Australia in that each person has a unique number which is used when making tax returns, etc (we include ours on all new employment forms so our employer can make tax deductions on our behalf for example). I assume you would have a separate identification number for any business you own that allows the government to track your business tax claims vs your personal ones? Is that correct? If so, why is her personal number linked to her business Paypal account? Is it just that the bank account linked to her paypal has her personal SSN attached to it? PayPal is most likely required to issue a 1099, like any business, if they pay an individual more than $600 per year. It's a form of earning statement, and the IRS gets a copy. That's why Tracie doesn't want to use PayPal. As I recall, her 5-figure medical donations went to her husband's PayPal account. She seems to be hell-bent on positioning herself as having no reportable income. Maybe she's on welfare, disability, or some kind of government dole. This request *is* going to her PayPal. The link is "Pay Tracie Claiborne at PayPal". But I'm guessing the donations average a lot less than she received for her surgery.
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Post by JustTricia on Oct 13, 2017 23:26:49 GMT
Apparently 2% is all they want if questions are going to be asked. I'm betting people who never donated before are only donating now because of the questioning posts.
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Post by FurryP on Oct 13, 2017 23:31:16 GMT
How convenient that their Annual October Donation Drive comes just in time for Black Friday and Christmas sales.
A very Merry Christmas for Tracie and Tiffany!!! Santa is on his way!
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Post by dawnnikol on Oct 13, 2017 23:51:41 GMT
I'm really curious about this story that everyone seems to know about. Except me. Anyone want to explain? I believe it was mentioned on this thread: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/63058/tracie-again Basically: Tracie asked for donations because she couldn't afford a necessary surgery, her pacemaker needed to be replaced for whatever reason. People rushed to her aid because she "didn't have the money" and she collected $10k? She then posted that the hospital gave her the surgery for FREE and then a series of Cracker Barrel and wherever else photos of her eating and then more posts of her complaining she hasn't been eating or feeling well until one day the pacemaker that was popped out and causing her so much pain just popped back in and she's cured. Throw in a few "I'm so Blessed" and "Hallelujah" and I think that's the gist.
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Post by quinmm14 on Oct 14, 2017 0:05:32 GMT
I think I keep saying I can’t even with this gal, but honestly she makes me insane with her childish, petulant, obnoxious, shady, grifty, and hell I’m running out of adjectives here people...behavior.
Of course she doesn’t want to have a discussion about this, she’s never going to disclose the true dollar amount. She’s thinking she’s found her cash cow, and doesn’t want it to dry up.
Someone upthread said it first, but anybody who donates to her is crazy (that’s my paraphrasing here).
Aaarrrgh!!!!!!!
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Post by QueSeraSera on Oct 14, 2017 0:05:40 GMT
She seriously expects to get paid to run a Facebook group?! What a fool
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Oct 14, 2017 0:09:34 GMT
Thanks paperamy and oaksong. I thought it was a bullshit statement but there are so many small differences between here and there so you never know. How convenient that their Annual October Donation Drive comes just in time for Black Friday and Christmas sales. A very Merry Christmas for Tracie and Tiffany!!! Santa is on his way! I hadn't considered the timing but it is interesting. I wondered if this was the anniversary (or close to) of their first podcast. According to my iTunes their first podcast (Who, What, Where, When & Why) is dated Feb 3, 2014. I don't think it's entirely implausible they got 6 months into podcasting and realised or decided they needed a paid provider for hosting.
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Post by dasmith2 on Oct 14, 2017 0:09:42 GMT
She seriously expects to get paid to run a Facebook group?! What a fool It's for the podcast. The donations were asked in the group of podcast listeners
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 0:10:38 GMT
I go back to my original statement, people are going to push back when you offer free content and then decide you want people to pay for it. Tracie's shadiness with the medical donations is the main reason there is pushback. I also can't help but laugh at the childishness of "we don't want you to listen if you're not happy with us asking for money." I work with complaining clients daily. If you want to run this like a business and get paid, that's the first major mistake you're making. You don't alienate possible paying guests by telling them to go elsewhere. This is why the scrappy "stars" get no respect. Acting like a bunch of little girls whose feelings got hurt. This isn't about you and your ego. Or if it is, you're in for a world of disappointment.
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