zella
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Post by zella on Jan 12, 2018 5:15:08 GMT
This stinks to high heaven!
I don't believe any of this. I don't believe the husband's story. Obviously. I really hope the Ohio police aren't as dumb as they sound, i.e. believing this guy's tale. And I don't believe her family "doesn't suspect foul play." Really?
The vast majority of 70 year olds still have their marbles. In order to have dementia bad enough for this story to be true, there is no way that man could have driven from their home in Ohio to Memphis and back. No way. I just checked: that is 719 miles, a trip that would take at least 10 hours and 58 minutes in current traffic with no stops. Yeah. Right. That is a good chunk of time for the missus to die if, say, he dumped her somewhere.
Please. You have to be a complete fool to buy this BS.
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Post by Lexica on Jan 12, 2018 7:10:07 GMT
Thank you, Peamac , I would really like to know what she would do if this happened to her on a shift. I don't necessarily suspect the husband, but the lack of paperwork is so strange to me. The police in his hometown said they were looking through all of his receipts, so obviously he doesn't have a form from the EMTs in there.
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Post by katlaw on Jan 12, 2018 7:25:25 GMT
One of the peas must be married to an EMT or have connections somehow. What do they say they would be the proper protocol to follow if they were approached with this in a parking lot? Here, in my city the EMTs or Paramedics would radio dispatch. They would give the dispatcher their location and what was going on. A call would be created and assigned to the unit. If the patient was assessed as in cardiac arrest one of two things would happen, #1 the dispatch centre would send back up. 2 medics cannot drive to the hospital and attempt resuscitation. Here we would send the closest fire unit which would have at minimum an EMR. We would also dispatch a second ambulance and a supervisor. Or, if the ambulance was only a couple minutes away from the hospital they would put the patient in the unit and head to the emergency room lights and sirens. Enroute the driver would notify dispatch to contact the hospital that they were a minute or two out with a "working code" - meaning a cardiac arrest that they feel the patient has a chance to survive. If the patient was obviously deceased the unit would still create an event over the radio with dispatch. They would have their dispatch notify police. The patient would not be moved from the truck into the ambulance if she was not viable. EMTs do not move or transport a dead person. The EMTs would fill out a patient care report. Either on paper or electronic that would be attached to the event. Time they were notified, what they first noticed, what they did. This report is very detailed. They would have asked her husband for her ID and that would be used to identify her in the system. The patient would not be moved to the morgue prior to an investigation by police and the medical examiner would be called in. Now, I live in a city with 1 million people and we have a pretty busy centre. In rural and smaller municipalities the EMTs may also be their own 911 dispatchers. They may not have the back up we have here to dispatch. But there is no way they removed a deceased or seriously ill person from this man's truck and did not get her name or information, allowed the gentleman to drive away, did not report this to the police and somehow dropped the person off at a hospital or morgue without following proper procedure. Sadly, I believe her body will be found, dumped somewhere by her husband who then made up this ridiculous story.
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tuesdaysgone
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Post by tuesdaysgone on Jan 12, 2018 11:08:49 GMT
Beyond strange! fridaycat, if your local media has any updates please pass that info along. I'm curious and invested in this bizarre story now.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2018 11:24:18 GMT
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Post by disneypal on Jan 12, 2018 11:32:13 GMT
How odd...it sounds very suspicious to me. If your spoused passed away suddenly, you wouldn’t just say “Alrighty then, all is good and I will head home. You would follow the ambulance, call your family from there, talk to people to determine how to get her body back home, etc.
It is odd that there is no record of this - an ambulance would call in and report the incident.
I can’t imagine what the rest of the family is going through.
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Post by fridaycat on Jan 12, 2018 11:44:58 GMT
Well I'm glad to see the Beacon's article doesn't describe the police as giving the husband an instant not-guilty pass. And this article makes rhe whole thing even fishier. I really think the husband is behind it - and not in a good way.
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Post by fridaycat on Jan 12, 2018 11:45:32 GMT
Beyond strange! fridaycat, if your local media has any updates please pass that info along. I'm curious and invested in this bizarre story now. For sure!
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Post by maryannscraps on Jan 12, 2018 12:12:44 GMT
I don't know, in the first article, the police said there are memory issues. And the family says they don't suspect foul play. He very well could be confused about what happened, and wasn't involved at all in murder. I'm not ready to jump to the murder conclusion.
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Post by Fidget on Jan 12, 2018 14:04:58 GMT
I hate to say it but I agree with you georgiapea...husband should be Numero Uno suspect but police sure arent putting him in that category. Im seriously hoping this is a police tactic and they are on to him.. This was my thought, they are making him think they believe his story all the while trying to poke holes in it. I love true crime so as badly as I feel for this poor woman, I'm completely intrigued by this story. I'll be watching for updates....
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Post by Fidget on Jan 12, 2018 14:10:24 GMT
Here's another theory - a little morbid, but is it possible the wife did die of natural causes and the husband felt like he couldn't afford a funeral? Maybe he dumped the body to avoid funeral costs? Just a thought....
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gina
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Post by gina on Jan 12, 2018 17:27:28 GMT
Why didn't he follow the ambulance to the hospital or morgue? Wouldn't you? May be it was a 'fly-by-night'/private type ambulance? Yes! "Okay, you got this from here Mr. Paramedic? Good. I'm headed back to Ohio now." That doesn't even make sense! Right! Something is really off here. You wouldn't just leave and head home. SaveSave
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Post by librarylady on Jan 12, 2018 17:56:56 GMT
Every hotel/motel I know of, in 2018, have cameras to record what happens in the parking lot. So, it would be easy enough for the motel in Memphis to get photos of what was going on in the parking lot....any paramedic activity etc. Plenty of ways to find real facts in the story.
I still to not believe what the husband says.
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 12, 2018 18:31:17 GMT
One of the peas must be married to an EMT or have connections somehow. What do they say they would be the proper protocol to follow if they were approached with this in a parking lot? Here, in my city the EMTs or Paramedics would radio dispatch. They would give the dispatcher their location and what was going on. A call would be created and assigned to the unit. If the patient was assessed as in cardiac arrest one of two things would happen, #1 the dispatch centre would send back up. 2 medics cannot drive to the hospital and attempt resuscitation. Here we would send the closest fire unit which would have at minimum an EMR. We would also dispatch a second ambulance and a supervisor. Or, if the ambulance was only a couple minutes away from the hospital they would put the patient in the unit and head to the emergency room lights and sirens. Enroute the driver would notify dispatch to contact the hospital that they were a minute or two out with a "working code" - meaning a cardiac arrest that they feel the patient has a chance to survive. If the patient was obviously deceased the unit would still create an event over the radio with dispatch. They would have their dispatch notify police. The patient would not be moved from the truck into the ambulance if she was not viable. EMTs do not move or transport a dead person. The EMTs would fill out a patient care report. Either on paper or electronic that would be attached to the event. Time they were notified, what they first noticed, what they did. This report is very detailed. They would have asked her husband for her ID and that would be used to identify her in the system. The patient would not be moved to the morgue prior to an investigation by police and the medical examiner would be called in. Now, I live in a city with 1 million people and we have a pretty busy centre. In rural and smaller municipalities the EMTs may also be their own 911 dispatchers. They may not have the back up we have here to dispatch. But there is no way they removed a deceased or seriously ill person from this man's truck and did not get her name or information, allowed the gentleman to drive away, did not report this to the police and somehow dropped the person off at a hospital or morgue without following proper procedure. Sadly, I believe her body will be found, dumped somewhere by her husband who then made up this ridiculous story. Small community, here. One dispatcher on duty most of the time that covers LE, Fire, EMS. The situation you describe would be very similar to what happens here. Even if the EMS unit had a hot patient and couldn't stop, they would request a unit and LE/fire to the location of the flag-down. Even in a case of patient refusal, there is still paperwork that has to be completed, even by LE and fire. Unless there's something about private EMS companies that I'm not aware of, if emergency personnel of any kind attended to this woman, there would be record of it. If there was no ID available it may not be in her name, but there would be a record. I my area, there are certain criteria for declaring a code black (deceased). If those criteria aren't met, even if she were technically deceased, it would have to be treated as a blue and transported. I think policies probably vary as to whether the loved one can ride along or not. Here, especially if the man was exhibiting some confusion or dementia, LE/fire would make sure that he got to the hospital safely. This, too, would all be documented - by both dispatch log and written report. I can see a couple of scenarios where this could have legitimately happened, especially if he was suffering from some sort of cognitive impairment, but agree that it's not very likely. The lack of record by any emergency personnel is what gives me pause. Very bizarre case.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jan 12, 2018 18:36:43 GMT
If he didn't kill her himself, I bet she died of natural causes and he did something with the body (could've panicked, etc). I know weird stuff can and does happen, but there are so many red flags in this story that I'm sure he did something to her body.
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 12, 2018 18:50:16 GMT
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Post by katlaw on Jan 12, 2018 23:28:29 GMT
Emergency medical technicians whisked Roberta’s body away, Philip told police, but he didn’t know where they took her, so he came home.
Something is so odd here.
How many hospitals are in the area? If she was "whisked away" it means they thought she was viable. She could be in a local hospital, sedated and not able to give her name. But this story has been all over the news. The medics would have come forward and said hey that was our unit. The nurses or doctors at the hospital would see the news and say hey we have a Jane Doe. They could have told her husband we are going to such and such hospital and expected him to follow. He got confused and did not follow them. But, the trip would be documented, no EMS unit transports a patient without doing a report. So even if the medics did not see the news the out of state police would not have problems finding her by just calling the hospitals. No hospital has a patient in a bed that is not in their system some where. If she was truly deceased they never would have moved her from the truck. And there is only one medical examiners office, not multiple ones. It would not be hard for the police to call and ask them if they have a unidentified lady.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 13, 2018 0:24:09 GMT
I will say again, there are many private ambulance in this area. Not all towns have their own first aid/rescue squads, they hire private ambulances, but the public also hire private ambulances to go the dialysis etc, particularly if wheelchair bound or on a stretcher. On page one I mentioned 'fly-by-night' ambulances which could be one who was not always on the up and up. This does not excuse or explain what has happened in this situation.
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Post by kels99 on Jan 13, 2018 1:02:21 GMT
Someone started a thread about this on websleuths if anyone wants to keep up with it there too. So far, all the comments are similar to ours..."what?" "That is so strange!" etc.
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Peamac
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Post by Peamac on Jan 14, 2018 1:58:20 GMT
Lexica- Ok, I asked my EMT niece, and she said the EMTs would have to do paperwork just for looking at her, dead or alive. If she were dead (far enough along that it's obvious there's no way to revive her), they'd fill out paperwork and call the police to come. Ambulances (as opposed to coroners) transferring a body varies by state. If she were alive or just barely gone, they'd fill out paperwork and try to revive her and take her to the hospital. Either way, the paperwork stays with the body- to the hospital or the morgue. The ambulance company would also have access to the paperwork afterward. If they told the husband to follow them to the hospital (instead of riding in the front of the ambulance), he may or may not have been able to keep up with the ambulance, but would be able to call around to different hospitals to find her. The hospitals would be able to tell him if she is or isn't there without breaking HIPPA laws. My niece thinks something's fishy about this story. ETA- DN says where she works, the paperwork is filled out on the way to the hospital. Hospital (or cops) get one copy, ambulance keeps the other copy. Family doesn't get one. Also, they would have to call dispatch, even in a restaurant parking lot on a dinner break. That way dispatch knows what's going on. She also said a private ambulance company would still have to do paperwork for something like this.
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Post by mlynn on Jan 14, 2018 8:12:00 GMT
A couple years ago, dh was hit by an impaired driver and his airbags deployed. He was knocked unconscious briefly. He also has a fused neck. 911 was called and police were dispatched. An ambulance was summoned. An Orthodopedic nurse immobilized his neck until the ambulance arrived. They did their thing and transported him to the hospital. No record of the incident can be found at any of the ambulance companies. Because of some bad faith experience with their insurance company with the PD part of the claim, we hired an attorney. They contacted all the companies at the outset and again come settlement. They could never find any record of the ambulance participation anywhere. Dh was treated at the scene. He was transported. But no records. It DOES happen.
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Post by luckyexwife on Jan 18, 2018 13:21:06 GMT
Has anyone local heard an update on this case??
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Post by peasapie on Jan 18, 2018 13:55:32 GMT
She just happened to die in his car and he just happened to find a nearby, vacant ambulance. Hmmmm
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 18, 2018 14:50:33 GMT
Lexica- Ok, I asked my EMT niece, and she said the EMTs would have to do paperwork just for looking at her, dead or alive. If she were dead (far enough along that it's obvious there's no way to revive her), they'd fill out paperwork and call the police to come. Ambulances (as opposed to coroners) transferring a body varies by state. If she were alive or just barely gone, they'd fill out paperwork and try to revive her and take her to the hospital. Either way, the paperwork stays with the body- to the hospital or the morgue. The ambulance company would also have access to the paperwork afterward. If they told the husband to follow them to the hospital (instead of riding in the front of the ambulance), he may or may not have been able to keep up with the ambulance, but would be able to call around to different hospitals to find her. The hospitals would be able to tell him if she is or isn't there without breaking HIPPA laws. My niece thinks something's fishy about this story. ETA- DN says where she works, the paperwork is filled out on the way to the hospital. Hospital (or cops) get one copy, ambulance keeps the other copy. Family doesn't get one. Also, they would have to call dispatch, even in a restaurant parking lot on a dinner break. That way dispatch knows what's going on. She also said a private ambulance company would still have to do paperwork for something like this. Yes there would be both paper and electronic trails left, in addition to dispatch records/tapes. Even if he didn't call 911, the EMS crew would have logged it with dispatch. There is now an obit for her, and LE is acknowledging that he likely has some sort of cognitive impairment such as dimentia etc.
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 18, 2018 14:57:53 GMT
A couple years ago, dh was hit by an impaired driver and his airbags deployed. He was knocked unconscious briefly. He also has a fused neck. 911 was called and police were dispatched. An ambulance was summoned. An Orthodopedic nurse immobilized his neck until the ambulance arrived. They did their thing and transported him to the hospital. No record of the incident can be found at any of the ambulance companies. Because of some bad faith experience with their insurance company with the PD part of the claim, we hired an attorney. They contacted all the companies at the outset and again come settlement. They could never find any record of the ambulance participation anywhere. Dh was treated at the scene. He was transported. But no records. It DOES happen. This blows my mind. 911 calls go through a recorded line, and LE would have had to make an injury accident report. So there should have been 3 lines of evidence - EMS report, LE report, dispatch tapes. Not meaning I don't believe you - it's just the situation that blows my mind. I'm glad your DH is ok!!!
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 18, 2018 15:04:52 GMT
Whatever landline or cell phone was used would have a record of the call He didn't make a call. He saw an ambulance in a restaurant parking lot. I thought the same thing. This actually does happen, where a unit is flagged down. Definitely not beyond the realm of possibility. However, that crew would have immediately notified dispatch of the situation and a call card would be opened. In my area, even situations where EMS is disregarded by LE or fire are included in run reports. It's all tightly regulated here. Of course I'm sure other areas may vary.
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Post by katlaw on Jan 18, 2018 15:33:27 GMT
No record of the incident can be found at any of the ambulance companies. Because of some bad faith experience with their insurance company with the PD part of the claim, we hired an attorney. They contacted all the companies at the outset and again come settlement. They could never find any record of the ambulance participation anywhere. Dh was treated at the scene. He was transported. But no records. It DOES happen. I don't deny it can happen. In this case they are saying EMS did not file the paperwork, the hospital did not do their job and the medical examiner did not do his job. It is a lot of different people dropping the ball. It is hard to fathom. One story I read when I googled looking for an update says he may have been somewhere else totally. So he remembers her passing away and flagging down an ambulance. But her body could be in a different state than they are looking. That would make more sense. They were looking in Kentucky and along the route he would have driven. My mom is suffering from dementia and I worry everyday she is going to go for a walk and not be able to get home. I have put her name and address in her wallet so someone can help her. I am researching those GPS trackers so we can find her. This woman's family must be beside themselves just wanting to know what happened.
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Post by janskylar on Jan 19, 2018 1:14:41 GMT
No record of the incident can be found at any of the ambulance companies. Because of some bad faith experience with their insurance company with the PD part of the claim, we hired an attorney. They contacted all the companies at the outset and again come settlement. They could never find any record of the ambulance participation anywhere. Dh was treated at the scene. He was transported. But no records. It DOES happen. I don't deny it can happen. In this case they are saying EMS did not file the paperwork, the hospital did not do their job and the medical examiner did not do his job. It is a lot of different people dropping the ball. It is hard to fathom. One story I read when I googled looking for an update says he may have been somewhere else totally. So he remembers her passing away and flagging down an ambulance. But her body could be in a different state than they are looking. That would make more sense. They were looking in Kentucky and along the route he would have driven. My mom is suffering from dementia and I worry everyday she is going to go for a walk and not be able to get home. I have put her name and address in her wallet so someone can help her. I am researching those GPS trackers so we can find her. This woman's family must be beside themselves just wanting to know what happened. If they were near Graceland, it is really easy to drive into Mississippi before you realize it. I'm from the area and have ended up in the wrong state accidentally several times. This story is insane though.
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Post by fridaycat on Jan 19, 2018 1:47:22 GMT
Has anyone local heard an update on this case?? No, no local update.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 19, 2018 2:08:21 GMT
This stinks to high heaven! I don't believe any of this. I don't believe the husband's story. Obviously. I really hope the Ohio police aren't as dumb as they sound, i.e. believing this guy's tale. And I don't believe her family "doesn't suspect foul play." Really? The vast majority of 70 year olds still have their marbles. In order to have dementia bad enough for this story to be true, there is no way that man could have driven from their home in Ohio to Memphis and back. No way. I just checked: that is 719 miles, a trip that would take at least 10 hours and 58 minutes in current traffic with no stops. Yeah. Right. That is a good chunk of time for the missus to die if, say, he dumped her somewhere. Please. You have to be a complete fool to buy this BS. People with dementia do do things like this. The ability to get themselves home is pretty remarkable even though they will not have any memory of what they did or where they went when out. Sadly, I suspect she did die and he doesn't really remember what happened so is conflating a reality with a memory or even a story he read/movie he saw. Hopefully the police will be able to retrace his steps. We only know about my mom going to the airport and buying a ticket to a city 1500 miles away to visit my sister because the ticketing agent felt something was off in the transaction. It could have been a disaster as my sister no longer lived in the destination city. At the time of the event, she lived a mile from my parents. The agent told a supervisor after my mom canceled the ticket and left the airport. They contacted the home number she had used and it was the first my dad knew she wasn't home. We still don't know how she made it home from the airport as security cameras show her walking away.
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