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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 20:54:01 GMT
Again, anyone that voted to SHUT OUR GOVERNMENT DOWN because of ILLEGAL ALIENS would never get my vote. The MAJORITY-all but 4 or so, of democrats CHOSE illegal aliens over U.S. citizens. Simple as that. So you say these kids, who did not make the decision to enter this country illegally, should be punished because this country chose not to fully enforce the 1986 Immigration Reform Act almost from day one. Do you understand that if the 1986 Immigration Reform Act had been fully enforced those kids would have never come to this country in the first place. This country needs to take responsibility for what we allowed to happen for 30 years. It is not as simple as you try and claim it is. I have been extremely sympathetic about the Dreamers. However, not before US citizens. And yes, we should have enforced the Immigration Reform Act. Democrats AND Republicans are responsible for that failure.
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Post by monklady123 on Jan 20, 2018 20:58:41 GMT
I have to say again, that dt stated to Congress, bring the bill to me and I will sign it. By Thursday he changed his mind AGAIN. He cannot remember what he says from day to day! Sen. Schumer was on CNN earlier and he said "Negotiating with this White House is like negotiating with a bowl of jello." hahaha Or not hahahaha. But yeah...trump changes his mind to agree with whoever is whispering in his ear at the moment. My dh just told me that everyone is supposed to report to work Monday, go through shutdown procedures, then go home by mid-morning. I'm assuming he meant all departments...? or maybe just his? (State). He's not home for me to ask right now. Dh is considered essential so he goes to work no matter what. sigh... So stupid. The only good thing to come from this is that trump missed his party down in Florida. hahahaha
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 20:59:36 GMT
Again, anyone that voted to SHUT OUR GOVERNMENT DOWN because of ILLEGAL ALIENS would never get my vote. The MAJORITY-all but 4 or so, of democrats CHOSE illegal aliens over U.S. citizens. Simple as that. those people were never going to get your vote anyway. They will get my vote because while you make think the march 5th deadline us a farce, this is the only power the democrats have...hopefully that changes in the midterms, but you never know how uninformed, uneducated, self centered people will vote. This is trumps fault for the most part. He said he would sign a bill. There was a bi-partisan bill and dumbass changed his mind becauae someone told him to or someone had the audacity to challenge his "I can identify a camel so I must be awesome" ass. Which is EXACTLY my point. The Democrats have chosen to hold the U.S. government hostage for illegal aliens because it's the only power they have. That March 5 deadline is moot at this point because a judge halted it. Plain and simple. This is the Democrats' way to play for the mid-terms, and it looks great on t.v. Reading an article that said liberal activist groups were calling on the Democrats to shut the government down. They did. They aren't chancing loosing those votes. And in my opinion there is no way the republicans are going to retain control after the mid-terms.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 21:03:21 GMT
Again, anyone that voted to SHUT OUR GOVERNMENT DOWN because of ILLEGAL ALIENS would never get my vote. The MAJORITY-all but 4 or so, of democrats CHOSE illegal aliens over U.S. citizens. Simple as that. So you say these kids, who did not make the decision to enter this country illegally, should be punished because this country chose not to fully enforce the 1986 Immigration Reform Act almost from day one. Do you understand that if the 1986 Immigration Reform Act had been fully enforced these kids would have never come to this country in the first place. This country needs to take responsibility for what we allowed to happen for 30 years. It is not as simple as you try and claim it is. What do you think is going to happen in negotiating for DACA? How much is going to be good enough? Do they become citizens? Do they get to allow their families to come? What happens to the parents that Nancy Pelosi applauded for bring them here? Are the democrats going to shut down the government next year for DAPA? Where does it end? I don't think it ever will.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 20, 2018 21:13:51 GMT
That March 5 deadline is moot at this point because a judge halted it. Until it is ruled on...then what? What do you think is going to happen in negotiating for DACA? How much is going to be good enough? Do they become citizens? Do they get to allow their families to come? What happens to the parents that Nancy Pelosi applauded for bring them here? Are the democrats going to shut down the government next year for DAPA? Where does it end? I don't think it ever will. We should give them a path to citizenship. They have been here, legally working and paying taxes and being productive members of society fo years. Aren't those the people we want to become citizens? Do they get to bring their families? Sure, just like any other citizen when they become citizens. Many of these people would have become citizens if they had been given the opportunity. How high and mighty those born in this country are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 21:39:18 GMT
So you say these kids, who did not make the decision to enter this country illegally, should be punished because this country chose not to fully enforce the 1986 Immigration Reform Act almost from day one. Do you understand that if the 1986 Immigration Reform Act had been fully enforced these kids would have never come to this country in the first place. This country needs to take responsibility for what we allowed to happen for 30 years. It is not as simple as you try and claim it is. What do you think is going to happen in negotiating for DACA? How much is going to be good enough? Do they become citizens? Do they get to allow their families to come? What happens to the parents that Nancy Pelosi applauded for bring them here? Are the democrats going to shut down the government next year for DAPA? Where does it end? I don't think it ever will. That’s what happens when one doesn’t enforce a law that’s on the books. You get a big fat mess that needs to be cleaned up. But it’s irresponsible to totally blame the people that came across the border illegally while ignoring the employers who knowingly hired undocumted people and a government that looked the other way. What should have not been done is for trump/GOP to include DACA as negotiating chip to get what they want in the spending bills. DACA/Immigration and renewing CHIP should have been debated and settled prior to these spending bills. And no, the Democrats can’t trust McConnell and Ryan if they purpose to pull these issues out and settle them at a later date. This is all on the Republicans. They made this mess. As to how to fix this mess? First fully enforce the employer mandate and fine and or give prison time to employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers or who don’t check their status with the Federal data base set up for It. Set up a guess worker program for the jobs no one wants. Get rid of trump/Cotton/Miller’s merit system. What it is saying to the American Worker is you can’t do the skilled jobs so we need to bring in immigrants for those jobs but we are saving the unskilled jobs for you. That it for starters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 21:41:40 GMT
That March 5 deadline is moot at this point because a judge halted it. Until it is ruled on...then what? What do you think is going to happen in negotiating for DACA? How much is going to be good enough? Do they become citizens? Do they get to allow their families to come? What happens to the parents that Nancy Pelosi applauded for bring them here? Are the democrats going to shut down the government next year for DAPA? Where does it end? I don't think it ever will. We should give them a path to citizenship. They have been here, legally working and paying taxes and being productive members of society fo years. Aren't those the people we want to become citizens? Do they get to bring their families? Sure, just like any other citizen when they become citizens. Many of these people would have become citizens if they had been given the opportunity. How high and mighty those born in this country are. I've already said I sympathize with the Dreamers. But there has to be a limit in how far and deep we allow this to go. And, the argument should not come before the U.S. Government's ability to govern, and certainly not before our own citizens. If this shutdown lingers, and our military families, federal employees, and businesses start to feel the impact, I'm not so sure a hug from a democrat reminding them "it's for a good cause, illegal aliens" is going to go over real well.
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Post by lesley on Jan 20, 2018 21:44:36 GMT
What a frickin' political farce by the democrats. The democrats have absolutely no problem sticking it to good, hard working U.S. citizens, and our military. “It takes a special type of hypocrite to accuse your opponents of hypocrisy for following in your footsteps.” - Richard Wolfe in today's Guardian. link
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 21:45:39 GMT
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Post by Country Ham on Jan 20, 2018 21:58:52 GMT
Seems that Trump is actually running the government exactly like his businesses. He took office one year ago today and now it's shutdown. For what it's worth there have been 17 prior government shut downs since 1974. I found that quite surprising when I was reading about it. In 7 of those previous ones were workers placed on furlough. you can also see it's evenly spread historically between Dems and Repubs. Chart
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 20, 2018 22:00:48 GMT
What a frickin' political farce by the democrats. The democrats have absolutely no problem sticking it to good, hard working U.S. citizens, and our military. And why? Number one priority to stick it up Trump's ass. The second to fight for this imaginary "immediate" deportation/DACA threat to Dreamers. There is absolutely no doubt that this was a well planned, well calculated, well-oiled manuever to shut our government down on his inauguration anniversary. And as an added bonus it falls on the same day as the marches. Well thought out, dems. This March 5 DACA deadline is also a line of bull, being sold by the democrats. A judge already blocked this entire thing while it plays out in court. So yeah, let's shut the government down over something that's not even an actual REAL emergency. Diane Feinstein and the ever popular "people will die" bullshit is laughable at this point. Do people actually believe that? And I just LOVED this juicy tidbit by Chuck Shumer about the 2013 shutdown: “No matter how strongly one feels about an issue, you shouldn’t hold millions of people hostage . . . That’s wrong and we can’t give into that,” he told the New York Observer. “ We could say, ‘we’re shutting down the government, we’re not going to raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos,” Really, is it possible to drip any more hypocrisy than that? The democrats can save their tears of rage, their fearmongering, and their fake narrative that DACA is an emergency. Those that pay attention know it's a crock. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Aren’t you just a precious little snowflake! Oh this made me laugh my ass off today—thanks!!! Bwaaahh ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 20, 2018 22:02:57 GMT
Our government needs to do their damn jobs. These temporary budgets don't solve anything. Anyone that voted against this, BECAUSE of the Dreamers, wouldn't get my vote. However, even if ALL republicans had voted in favor, besides the few democrats that voted in favor (how many of them are up for re-election this year by the way?), a huge majority of democrats chose to side WITH the Dreamers over our citizens. Over, again, a false March 5 DACA emergency. And I don't give a flying fig what polls say. Those didn't turn out quite accurate last time, did they? Let's see: this shutdown is the GOP's fault. The last shutdown was the GOP's fault. And the one before that. And the next one will be the GOP's fault. And the one after that. It's always the GOP's fault. Anyone else notice that? Yep! Because it IS their doing.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 20, 2018 22:04:07 GMT
those people were never going to get your vote anyway. They will get my vote because while you make think the march 5th deadline us a farce, this is the only power the democrats have...hopefully that changes in the midterms, but you never know how uninformed, uneducated, self centered people will vote. This is trumps fault for the most part. He said he would sign a bill. There was a bi-partisan bill and dumbass changed his mind becauae someone told him to or someone had the audacity to challenge his "I can identify a camel so I must be awesome" ass. Which is EXACTLY my point. The Democrats have chosen to hold the U.S. government hostage for illegal aliens because it's the only power they have. That March 5 deadline is moot at this point because a judge halted it. Plain and simple. This is the Democrats' way to play for the mid-terms, and it looks great on t.v. Reading an article that said liberal activist groups were calling on the Democrats to shut the government down. They did. They aren't chancing loosing those votes. And in my opinion there is no way the republicans are going to retain control after the mid-terms. You need to branch out on your reading.
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Post by casii on Jan 20, 2018 22:04:55 GMT
Seems that Trump is actually running the government exactly like his businesses. He took office one year ago today and now it's shutdown. For what it's worth there have been 17 prior government shut downs since 1974. I found that quite surprising when I was reading about it. In 7 of those previous ones were workers placed on furlough. you can also see it's evenly spread historically between Dems and Repubs. ChartOh I'm fully aware. This is a unique shutdown situation in that the WH, House and Senate are controlled by the GOP for the first time in history. But this has been a year of firsts, many of them dubious and damaging.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 20, 2018 22:16:11 GMT
Despite the rhetorical effort to paste Democrats with “Schumer’s Shutdown” and to redefine what constitutes majority control of the senate (“60”? Really?), the fact remains that this shutdown rests at the feet of the GOP and it appears a majority of Americans agree. I don’t like it. It certainly could have been avoided, but the President wound up negotiating against himself by taking a potential agreement off the table, leaving Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to lament, “As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels.” That put Republicans in the position to spin their wheels right into another government shutdown. Pitiful. Did you miss this quote why McConnell didn't vote for it!
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 20, 2018 22:17:09 GMT
those people were never going to get your vote anyway. They will get my vote because while you make think the march 5th deadline us a farce, this is the only power the democrats have...hopefully that changes in the midterms, but you never know how uninformed, uneducated, self centered people will vote. This is trumps fault for the most part. He said he would sign a bill. There was a bi-partisan bill and dumbass changed his mind becauae someone told him to or someone had the audacity to challenge his "I can identify a camel so I must be awesome" ass. Which is EXACTLY my point. The Democrats have chosen to hold the U.S. government hostage for illegal aliens because it's the only power they have. That March 5 deadline is moot at this point because a judge halted it. Plain and simple. This is the Democrats' way to play for the mid-terms, and it looks great on t.v. Reading an article that said liberal activist groups were calling on the Democrats to shut the government down. They did. They aren't chancing loosing those votes. And in my opinion there is no way the republicans are going to retain control after the mid-terms. Oh bullshit. And yet, Republicans are in charge of the presidency and Congress. They own it. Being in charge sucks sometimes. Psssst! And I hope that you’re right.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 20, 2018 22:19:20 GMT
Our government needs to do their damn jobs. These temporary budgets don't solve anything. Anyone that voted against this, BECAUSE of the Dreamers, wouldn't get my vote. However, even if ALL republicans had voted in favor, besides the few democrats that voted in favor (how many of them are up for re-election this year by the way?), a huge majority of democrats chose to side WITH the Dreamers over our citizens. Over, again, a false March 5 DACA emergency. And I don't give a flying fig what polls say. Those didn't turn out quite accurate last time, did they? Let's see: this shutdown is the GOP's fault. The last shutdown was the GOP's fault. And the one before that. And the next one will be the GOP's fault. And the one after that. It's always the GOP's fault. Anyone else notice that? Yep! Because it IS their doing. Sounds like a pattern to me.
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Post by jayfab on Jan 20, 2018 22:52:32 GMT
That March 5 deadline is moot at this point because a judge halted it. Until it is ruled on...then what? What do you think is going to happen in negotiating for DACA? How much is going to be good enough? Do they become citizens? Do they get to allow their families to come? What happens to the parents that Nancy Pelosi applauded for bring them here? Are the democrats going to shut down the government next year for DAPA? Where does it end? I don't think it ever will. We should give them a path to citizenship. They have been here, legally working and paying taxes and being productive members of society fo years. Aren't those the people we want to become citizens? Do they get to bring their families? Sure, just like any other citizen when they become citizens. Many of these people would have become citizens if they had been given the opportunity. How high and mighty those born in this country are.100% - most of us wouldn't be here with out family migration. Including the family in the White House! SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 23:14:53 GMT
What a frickin' political farce by the democrats. The democrats have absolutely no problem sticking it to good, hard working U.S. citizens, and our military. And why? Number one priority to stick it up Trump's ass. The second to fight for this imaginary "immediate" deportation/DACA threat to Dreamers. There is absolutely no doubt that this was a well planned, well calculated, well-oiled manuever to shut our government down on his inauguration anniversary. And as an added bonus it falls on the same day as the marches. Well thought out, dems. This March 5 DACA deadline is also a line of bull, being sold by the democrats. A judge already blocked this entire thing while it plays out in court. So yeah, let's shut the government down over something that's not even an actual REAL emergency. Diane Feinstein and the ever popular "people will die" bullshit is laughable at this point. Do people actually believe that? And I just LOVED this juicy tidbit by Chuck Shumer about the 2013 shutdown: “No matter how strongly one feels about an issue, you shouldn’t hold millions of people hostage . . . That’s wrong and we can’t give into that,” he told the New York Observer. “ We could say, ‘we’re shutting down the government, we’re not going to raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos,” Really, is it possible to drip any more hypocrisy than that? The democrats can save their tears of rage, their fearmongering, and their fake narrative that DACA is an emergency. Those that pay attention know it's a crock. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Aren’t you just a precious little snowflake! Oh this made me laugh my ass off today—thanks!!! Bwaaahh ha ha ha ha ha !!!!! I sure am happy that I could bring a smile to your face today! (I just had to change the smilies, this one had so much more warmth and fuzzies!)
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Post by cade387 on Jan 20, 2018 23:33:24 GMT
Again, anyone that voted to SHUT OUR GOVERNMENT DOWN because of ILLEGAL ALIENS would never get my vote. The MAJORITY-all but 4 or so, of democrats CHOSE illegal aliens over U.S. citizens. Simple as that. It isn't all about illegal aliens- it is also about a wall that won't work and will bankrupt us even more. I'm already paying for Trump, Ryan, etc to make millions for the rest of their lives. I don't need to pay for a damn wall. Let the rich do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 23:53:32 GMT
Again, anyone that voted to SHUT OUR GOVERNMENT DOWN because of ILLEGAL ALIENS would never get my vote. The MAJORITY-all but 4 or so, of democrats CHOSE illegal aliens over U.S. citizens. Simple as that. It isn't all about illegal aliens- it is also about a wall that won't work and will bankrupt us even more. I'm already paying for Trump, Ryan, etc to make millions for the rest of their lives. I don't need to pay for a damn wall. Let the rich do that. Then you might want to hold on to your hat. Rep. Gutierrez has said he'd agree to fully fund the wall for Dreamer protection.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 0:13:18 GMT
Yep! Because it IS their doing. Sounds like a pattern to me. And the funny thing about that is if people start taking accountability, history does not repeat itself.
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Post by lisae on Jan 21, 2018 0:21:28 GMT
What a frickin' political farce by the democrats. The democrats have absolutely no problem sticking it to good, hard working U.S. citizens, and our military. And why? Number one priority to stick it up Trump's ass. The second to fight for this imaginary "immediate" deportation/DACA threat to Dreamers. There is absolutely no doubt that this was a well planned, well calculated, well-oiled manuever to shut our government down on his inauguration anniversary. And as an added bonus it falls on the same day as the marches. Well thought out, dems. This March 5 DACA deadline is also a line of bull, being sold by the democrats. A judge already blocked this entire thing while it plays out in court. So yeah, let's shut the government down over something that's not even an actual REAL emergency. Diane Feinstein and the ever popular "people will die" bullshit is laughable at this point. Do people actually believe that? And I just LOVED this juicy tidbit by Chuck Shumer about the 2013 shutdown: “No matter how strongly one feels about an issue, you shouldn’t hold millions of people hostage . . . That’s wrong and we can’t give into that,” he told the New York Observer. “ We could say, ‘we’re shutting down the government, we’re not going to raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos,” Really, is it possible to drip any more hypocrisy than that? The democrats can save their tears of rage, their fearmongering, and their fake narrative that DACA is an emergency. Those that pay attention know it's a crock. You do realize that you wouldn't need a single Democratic vote to pass an actual budget rather than these short term measures. These spending resolutions require 60 votes. Not all Republicans in either chamber voted for the measure. The Republican controlled Senate, House and Executive Branch should be able to pass any legislation they wanted. Yet the ONLY piece of major legislation they managed was the tax cut near the end of the year. The Republicans could, in theory, pass their version of immigration reform, if they could agree on what that was. They could fund infastructure. They could do a lot of things because they are in control. Again, in theory. In practice, they aren't in control of anything. Trump's invitation to Shumer was a calculated move on his part to try to shift blame from the Republican's to the Democrats for the failure of the Republican party to lead. Fortunately most of us can see through the president's bull. But then the majority of voters saw through him in November of 2016, too.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 21, 2018 0:21:47 GMT
Rep. Gutierrez has said he'd agree to fully fund the wall for Dreamer protection. HE can fund anything HE can afford with his monies, Congress won't be doing it!
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Post by redhead32 on Jan 21, 2018 4:30:43 GMT
Again, anyone that voted to SHUT OUR GOVERNMENT DOWN because of ILLEGAL ALIENS would never get my vote. The MAJORITY-all but 4 or so, of democrats CHOSE illegal aliens over U.S. citizens. Simple as that. Do you understand what a Dreamer is? Better yet. Do you know any Dreamers? I'm so exhausted by rhetoric. We are supposed to believe the Republicans are the party of family values - pro life, yadda yadda yadda. Yet they are willing to punish children for the actions of their parents. They are unwilling to fund CHIP. I know a Dreamer. She has absolutely no connection to her "home country." She is as American as my children, born here a few years before she was. The ability of people to write off 800,000 innocents as a form of patriotism make me gag.
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Post by redhead32 on Jan 21, 2018 4:32:37 GMT
those people were never going to get your vote anyway. They will get my vote because while you make think the march 5th deadline us a farce, this is the only power the democrats have...hopefully that changes in the midterms, but you never know how uninformed, uneducated, self centered people will vote. This is trumps fault for the most part. He said he would sign a bill. There was a bi-partisan bill and dumbass changed his mind becauae someone told him to or someone had the audacity to challenge his "I can identify a camel so I must be awesome" ass. Which is EXACTLY my point. The Democrats have chosen to hold the U.S. government hostage for illegal aliens because it's the only power they have. That March 5 deadline is moot at this point because a judge halted it. Plain and simple. This is the Democrats' way to play for the mid-terms, and it looks great on t.v. Reading an article that said liberal activist groups were calling on the Democrats to shut the government down. They did. They aren't chancing loosing those votes. And in my opinion there is no way the republicans are going to retain control after the mid-terms. Such an easy thing for you to say - March 5 deadline halts it all. Except it matters if you are unsure of your future as the courts battle it out. Can you really not understand that these are actual, living people you are so callously disregarding?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 21, 2018 5:40:58 GMT
You do realize that you wouldn't need a single Democratic vote to pass an actual budget rather than these short term measures. These spending resolutions require 60 votes. Not all Republicans in either chamber voted for the measure. The Republican controlled Senate, House and Executive Branch should be able to pass any legislation they wanted. Yet the ONLY piece of major legislation they managed was the tax cut near the end of the year. The Republicans could, in theory, pass their version of immigration reform, if they could agree on what that was. They could fund infastructure. They could do a lot of things because they are in control. Again, in theory. In practice, they aren't in control of anything. Trump's invitation to Shumer was a calculated move on his part to try to shift blame from the Republican's to the Democrats for the failure of the Republican party to lead. Fortunately most of us can see through the president's bull. But then the majority of voters saw through him in November of 2016, too. ALL OF THAT!!! It's so exhausting trying to reason with a die-hard Trump supporter. My boyfriend actually said 'it's the Democrat's fault' and when I asked him to explain how that could be when the Republicans can't even agree amongst themselves, he said 'well, that's on both of them, then...' but still-- he won't acknowledge that the Republican party is not cohesive and since they're in charge, it's really more on them than the Democrats. I mean, really- if the Republicans won't even all vote for it, that's somehow the Democrats fault?!? I don't think so! (he did try and say that maybe Trump was just 'playing for effect' when he said in that televised meeting that he would sign a clean DACA bill, but he didn't really mean it... I seriously doubt Donald Trump is that intelligent. I agree more with the 'reasoning with Jello' statement.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 11:28:59 GMT
What a frickin' political farce by the democrats. The democrats have absolutely no problem sticking it to good, hard working U.S. citizens, and our military. And why? Number one priority to stick it up Trump's ass. The second to fight for this imaginary "immediate" deportation/DACA threat to Dreamers. There is absolutely no doubt that this was a well planned, well calculated, well-oiled manuever to shut our government down on his inauguration anniversary. And as an added bonus it falls on the same day as the marches. Well thought out, dems. This March 5 DACA deadline is also a line of bull, being sold by the democrats. A judge already blocked this entire thing while it plays out in court. So yeah, let's shut the government down over something that's not even an actual REAL emergency. Diane Feinstein and the ever popular "people will die" bullshit is laughable at this point. Do people actually believe that? And I just LOVED this juicy tidbit by Chuck Shumer about the 2013 shutdown: “No matter how strongly one feels about an issue, you shouldn’t hold millions of people hostage . . . That’s wrong and we can’t give into that,” he told the New York Observer. “ We could say, ‘we’re shutting down the government, we’re not going to raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos,” Really, is it possible to drip any more hypocrisy than that? The democrats can save their tears of rage, their fearmongering, and their fake narrative that DACA is an emergency. Those that pay attention know it's a crock. You do realize that you wouldn't need a single Democratic vote to pass an actual budget rather than these short term measures. These spending resolutions require 60 votes. Not all Republicans in either chamber voted for the measure.The Republican controlled Senate, House and Executive Branch should be able to pass any legislation they wanted. Yet the ONLY piece of major legislation they managed was the tax cut near the end of the year. The Republicans could, in theory, pass their version of immigration reform, if they could agree on what that was. They could fund infastructure. They could do a lot of things because they are in control. Again, in theory. In practice, they aren't in control of anything. Trump's invitation to Shumer was a calculated move on his part to try to shift blame from the Republican's to the Democrats for the failure of the Republican party to lead. Fortunately most of us can see through the president's bull. But then the majority of voters saw through him in November of 2016, too. Re: what's bolded: what does that even mean? You acknowledge 60 votes are needed, but ignore there are only 51 Republicans. It's not as cut and dry as you want to make it when it comes to the budget/spending. Tax reform required a simple majority. Healthcare reform failure I put squarely at the feet of the republicans. They blew smoke up everyone's butts for 7 years and many ran on the claims they had a "great" fix. Having said that, I would love to see what items outside of healthcare are intertwined within the ACA. I was against the Republicans en masse voting for a shutdown to our government in 2013. Now, in 2018, I'm against the Democrats doing the same damn thing. Immigration Reform does NOT belong in the budget
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 11:35:51 GMT
Which is EXACTLY my point. The Democrats have chosen to hold the U.S. government hostage for illegal aliens because it's the only power they have. That March 5 deadline is moot at this point because a judge halted it. Plain and simple. This is the Democrats' way to play for the mid-terms, and it looks great on t.v. Reading an article that said liberal activist groups were calling on the Democrats to shut the government down. They did. They aren't chancing loosing those votes. And in my opinion there is no way the republicans are going to retain control after the mid-terms. Such an easy thing for you to say - March 5 deadline halts it all. Except it matters if you are unsure of your future as the courts battle it out. Can you really not understand that these are actual, living people you are so callously disregarding? I'm not callously disregarding the Dreamers. You might have missed where I've said I sympathize. And immigration as a whole needs to be fixed. However, the fight for DACA and immigration reform does NOT belong intertwined in the budget. Our government should NOT be shut down over non-budget items.
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