samantha25
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 20, 2018 3:56:00 GMT
I don't understand why there was a push to put the "tax cut" through before the budget? Shouldn't there be some procedural, logical flow of what needs to get done. Does there need to be a dummie guide to XXXXX? It really is a survivor, reality show.... you're fired!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 4:48:04 GMT
At least the senate and the house will still get paid! ( not the staff tho) That is all that is important.
Btw the last shut down , probably cost taxpayers well over ten million on my husband's project alone.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 20, 2018 5:07:10 GMT
At least the senate and the house will still get paid! ( not the staff tho) That is all that is important. Btw the last shut down , probably cost taxpayers well over ten million on my husband's project alone. Sorry to hear that. Is dh affected this round? |
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 20, 2018 5:12:03 GMT
Great. My husband had a seizure at work on Tuesday and he was going to go back on Monday. I hope he's not affected. No worries, if he doesn't work, they will get behind and mandatory overtime will be required once they are back.  |
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Post by swimchick1984 on Jan 20, 2018 5:19:59 GMT
Yeah, once again my husband won't get paid until the shutdown is over (military). I really hope this does not affect the processing of my GI bill.
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Post by needmysanity on Jan 20, 2018 5:22:43 GMT
We have been watching the news all day hoping they would come to some agreement. Our domestic violence shelter, rape crisis hotline, elder abuse, homeless housing and human trafficking programs are all affected by this. We have a reserve account that will carry us for 2 pay periods (1 month) but that's for essential expenses only. The last time this happened it was 16 days and we survived. We have plans in place to get us through this one too but it's so stressful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 5:42:56 GMT
At least the senate and the house will still get paid! ( not the staff tho) That is all that is important. Btw the last shut down , probably cost taxpayers well over ten million on my husband's project alone. Sorry to hear that. Is dh affected this round? We lost no money on the last shut down and he has vacation time he can still use because he is employed by the company direct not the project. |
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Post by azredhead on Jan 20, 2018 5:47:07 GMT
It affected my Dh and my sister and her husband in the past. I am soo thankful he is no longer on a federal level and independent although now his level or work may change. We shall see. We've been down this road before. I'm mad at ALL of them! No blame game just do your damn job!
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Post by carhoch on Jan 20, 2018 14:04:29 GMT
This is not Chuck Schumer’s shutdown. This is not Mitch McConnell’s shutdown. This is Donald Trump and Stephen Miller’s shutdown. This is the result of a confused, chaotic White House.
Joe Scarborough
I agree with Joe on this one
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Post by hop2 on Jan 20, 2018 14:08:09 GMT
It’s unusual to have a government shutdown with a matching majority in both houses and the Oval Office. This only means that the majority does not agree. But they’ll blame the minority loudly.
All over a f’in wall that is not going to help. 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 14:21:53 GMT
It’s unusual to have a government shutdown with a matching majority in both houses and the Oval Office. This only means that the majority does not agree. But they’ll blame the minority loudly. All over a f’in wall that is not going to help. 🙄 Actually, it's not only unusual - it's never happened before. There were dozens of ways out of this, but the GOP is divided and trying to hide it. |
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Post by ellen on Jan 20, 2018 14:24:54 GMT
Last week my daughter swore in for the Navy Nurse Candidate Program. She is supposed to get a signing bonus and a monthly stipend as she finishes school. It will be interesting to see how this effects her. I'm guessing it will be back paid if this ends up going on for a bit.
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Post by librarylady on Jan 20, 2018 14:33:55 GMT
IMO--looks like the blame lands on the GOP since McConnell would not bring the compromise solution to a vote.
Reports I read said Schumer and Trump worked out a deal. Then Kelly told Schumer the deal would not work, 'cause it was not
conservative enough. So McConnell would not bring it out for a vote.........it went downhill from there.
That being said: I'm glad the D would not agree to pay for a wall. Rational people on both sides, agree that the cost of
the wall would bankrupt the gov't--not to mention it won't work (see previous walls and Germany).
Both sides will blame each other.
(Trump promised that America would get tired of winning. Wonder if he is tired of winning?) (eye roll)
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Post by hop2 on Jan 20, 2018 14:43:44 GMT
It’s unusual to have a government shutdown with a matching majority in both houses and the Oval Office. This only means that the majority does not agree. But they’ll blame the minority loudly. All over a f’in wall that is not going to help. 🙄 Actually, it's not only unusual - it's never happened before. There were dozens of ways out of this, but the GOP is divided and trying to hide it. I was lazy & didn’t want to check if it ever happened before.😜 |
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Post by casii on Jan 20, 2018 15:23:59 GMT
Seems that Trump is actually running the government exactly like his businesses. He took office one year ago today and now it's shutdown.
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Post by georgiapea on Jan 20, 2018 16:01:22 GMT
DH works as a civilian on an Army base and expects to report to work as scheduled on Monday. He went through it in 2013 as well.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 20, 2018 18:28:48 GMT
This is not Chuck Schumer’s shutdown. This is not Mitch McConnell’s shutdown. This is Donald Trump and Stephen Miller’s shutdown. This is the result of a confused, chaotic White House. Joe Scarborough I agree with Joe on this one It is also in Kelly's hands............ He wants ZERO refugee immigration! White House chief of staff John Kelly reportedly told other members of the Trump administration that he would ideally admit between zero and one refugees into the US each year if the decision was up to him. thehill.com/homenews/administration/357250-kelly-said-he-wants-to-admit-between-zero-and-one-refugees-into-the |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 18:59:30 GMT
What a frickin' political farce by the democrats. The democrats have absolutely no problem sticking it to good, hard working U.S. citizens, and our military. And why? Number one priority to stick it up Trump's ass. The second to fight for this imaginary "immediate" deportation/DACA threat to Dreamers.
There is absolutely no doubt that this was a well planned, well calculated, well-oiled manuever to shut our government down on his inauguration anniversary. And as an added bonus it falls on the same day as the marches. Well thought out, dems.
This March 5 DACA deadline is also a line of bull, being sold by the democrats. A judge already blocked this entire thing while it plays out in court. So yeah, let's shut the government down over something that's not even an actual REAL emergency.
Diane Feinstein and the ever popular "people will die" bullshit is laughable at this point. Do people actually believe that?
And I just LOVED this juicy tidbit by Chuck Shumer about the 2013 shutdown:
“No matter how strongly one feels about an issue, you shouldn’t hold millions of people hostage . . . That’s wrong and we can’t give into that,” he told the New York Observer. “We could say, ‘we’re shutting down the government, we’re not going to raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos,”
Really, is it possible to drip any more hypocrisy than that?
The democrats can save their tears of rage, their fearmongering, and their fake narrative that DACA is an emergency. Those that pay attention know it's a crock.
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Post by scrapsotime on Jan 20, 2018 19:05:19 GMT
What a frickin' political farce by the democrats. The democrats have absolutely no problem sticking it to good, hard working U.S. citizens, and our military. And why? Number one priority to stick it up Trump's ass. The second to fight for this imaginary "immediate" deportation/DACA threat to Dreamers. There is absolutely no doubt that this was a well planned, well calculated, well-oiled manuever to shut our government down on his inauguration anniversary. And as an added bonus it falls on the same day as the marches. Well thought out, dems. This March 5 DACA deadline is also a line of bull, being sold by the democrats. A judge already blocked this entire thing while it plays out in court. So yeah, let's shut the government down over something that's not even an actual REAL emergency. Diane Feinstein and the ever popular "people will die" bullshit is laughable at this point. Do people actually believe that? And I just LOVED this juicy tidbit by Chuck Shumer about the 2013 shutdown: “No matter how strongly one feels about an issue, you shouldn’t hold millions of people hostage . . . That’s wrong and we can’t give into that,” he told the New York Observer. “ We could say, ‘we’re shutting down the government, we’re not going to raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos,” Really, is it possible to drip any more hypocrisy than that? The democrats can save their tears of rage, their fearmongering, and their fake narrative that DACA is an emergency. Those that pay attention know it's a crock. Do you feel the same way about the 5 republicans that voted with the democrats? |
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Post by peasquared on Jan 20, 2018 19:08:25 GMT
What a frickin' political farce by the democrats. The democrats have absolutely no problem sticking it to good, hard working U.S. citizens, and our military. And why? Number one priority to stick it up Trump's ass. The second to fight for this imaginary "immediate" deportation/DACA threat to Dreamers. There is absolutely no doubt that this was a well planned, well calculated, well-oiled manuever to shut our government down on his inauguration anniversary. And as an added bonus it falls on the same day as the marches. Well thought out, dems. This March 5 DACA deadline is also a line of bull, being sold by the democrats. A judge already blocked this entire thing while it plays out in court. So yeah, let's shut the government down over something that's not even an actual REAL emergency. Diane Feinstein and the ever popular "people will die" bullshit is laughable at this point. Do people actually believe that? And I just LOVED this juicy tidbit by Chuck Shumer about the 2013 shutdown: “No matter how strongly one feels about an issue, you shouldn’t hold millions of people hostage . . . That’s wrong and we can’t give into that,” he told the New York Observer. “ We could say, ‘we’re shutting down the government, we’re not going to raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos,” Really, is it possible to drip any more hypocrisy than that? The democrats can save their tears of rage, their fearmongering, and their fake narrative that DACA is an emergency. Those that pay attention know it's a crock. You cannot have it both ways. If you take quotes from 2013 you have to take the quote by DT that said it all falls on the president. (Obama at that time) |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 20, 2018 19:09:06 GMT
Here you go.. first 2 on the page......... “The public sees Republicans as the anti-government party. That idea is deeply imbedded.”April Ponnuru is senior adviser at the Conservative Reform Network. In the simplest and most direct terms, the Democrats are certainly to blame for the government shutdown. They decided to block, en masse, a continuation of government funding that included nothing with which they disagree. That is obstructionism, and it is irresponsible. But Republicans are to blame, too. They could have pushed to change the rules to allow for automatic funding resolutions to patch these very impasses, taking brinksmanship off the table. Such funding mechanisms could and should include fiscally conservative provisions that limit spending increases until Congress acts. Republicans have not shown much interest in such reforms. They are also to blame for not having moved expeditiously to forge a compromise on DACA. The president’s uninformed and inconstant leadership on this issue has not helped. As to who will be blamed, I have every confidence it will be the Republicans. The public sees Republicans as the anti-government party. That idea is deeply imbedded in the public consciousness, as much as Democrats are viewed as the party of broadening the welfare state. No set of facts will change that perspective overnight. “The shutdown rests at the feet of the GOP and it appears a majority of Americans agree”Michael Steele is a former chairperson of the Republican National Committee. Despite the rhetorical effort to paste Democrats with “Schumer’s Shutdown” and to redefine what constitutes majority control of the senate (“60”? Really?), the fact remains that this shutdown rests at the feet of the GOP and it appears a majority of Americans agree. I don’t like it. It certainly could have been avoided, but the President wound up negotiating against himself by taking a potential agreement off the table, leaving Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to lament, “As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels.” That put Republicans in the position to spin their wheels right into another government shutdown. Pitiful. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/20/who-will-america-blame-216487 |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 20, 2018 19:13:11 GMT
I have to say again, that dt stated to Congress, bring the bill to me and I will sign it. By Thursday he changed his mind AGAIN. He cannot remember what he says from day to day!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 19:21:03 GMT
Our government needs to do their damn jobs. These temporary budgets don't solve anything. Anyone that voted against this, BECAUSE of the Dreamers, wouldn't get my vote.
However, even if ALL republicans had voted in favor, besides the few democrats that voted in favor (how many of them are up for re-election this year by the way?), a huge majority of democrats chose to side WITH the Dreamers over our citizens. Over, again, a false March 5 DACA emergency.
And I don't give a flying fig what polls say. Those didn't turn out quite accurate last time, did they?
Let's see: this shutdown is the GOP's fault.
The last shutdown was the GOP's fault.
And the one before that.
And the next one will be the GOP's fault.
And the one after that.
It's always the GOP's fault. Anyone else notice that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 19:24:05 GMT
What a frickin' political farce by the democrats. The democrats have absolutely no problem sticking it to good, hard working U.S. citizens, and our military. And why? Number one priority to stick it up Trump's ass. The second to fight for this imaginary "immediate" deportation/DACA threat to Dreamers. There is absolutely no doubt that this was a well planned, well calculated, well-oiled manuever to shut our government down on his inauguration anniversary. And as an added bonus it falls on the same day as the marches. Well thought out, dems. This March 5 DACA deadline is also a line of bull, being sold by the democrats. A judge already blocked this entire thing while it plays out in court. So yeah, let's shut the government down over something that's not even an actual REAL emergency. Diane Feinstein and the ever popular "people will die" bullshit is laughable at this point. Do people actually believe that? And I just LOVED this juicy tidbit by Chuck Shumer about the 2013 shutdown: “No matter how strongly one feels about an issue, you shouldn’t hold millions of people hostage . . . That’s wrong and we can’t give into that,” he told the New York Observer. “ We could say, ‘we’re shutting down the government, we’re not going to raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos,” Really, is it possible to drip any more hypocrisy than that? The democrats can save their tears of rage, their fearmongering, and their fake narrative that DACA is an emergency. Those that pay attention know it's a crock. You cannot have it both ways. If you take quotes from 2013 you have to take the quote by DT that said it all falls on the president. (Obama at that time) Trump's a douche, too, just like Shumer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 20:01:33 GMT
What a frickin' political farce by the democrats. The democrats have absolutely no problem sticking it to good, hard working U.S. citizens, and our military. And why? Number one priority to stick it up Trump's ass. The second to fight for this imaginary "immediate" deportation/DACA threat to Dreamers. There is absolutely no doubt that this was a well planned, well calculated, well-oiled manuever to shut our government down on his inauguration anniversary. And as an added bonus it falls on the same day as the marches. Well thought out, dems. This March 5 DACA deadline is also a line of bull, being sold by the democrats. A judge already blocked this entire thing while it plays out in court. So yeah, let's shut the government down over something that's not even an actual REAL emergency. Diane Feinstein and the ever popular "people will die" bullshit is laughable at this point. Do people actually believe that? And I just LOVED this juicy tidbit by Chuck Shumer about the 2013 shutdown: “No matter how strongly one feels about an issue, you shouldn’t hold millions of people hostage . . . That’s wrong and we can’t give into that,” he told the New York Observer. “ We could say, ‘we’re shutting down the government, we’re not going to raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos,” Really, is it possible to drip any more hypocrisy than that? The democrats can save their tears of rage, their fearmongering, and their fake narrative that DACA is an emergency. Those that pay attention know it's a crock. You cannot have it both ways. If you take quotes from 2013 you have to take the quote by DT that said it all falls on the president. (Obama at that time) And another thing, Schumer's comment was SPECIFICALLY about DACA and using it as a tool. There is the irony. |
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Post by sabrinae on Jan 20, 2018 20:06:37 GMT
I don’t see how you blame Democrats when the Republicans couldn’t even get support from their own party. Including Mitch McConnell voting against it.
ETA: Mitch McConnell, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Jeff Flake and Lindsey Graham all voted against the bill. John McCain wasn’t there for the vote. So there are 6 Republican votes.
5 Democrats voted for the bill McCaskill, Manchin, Jones, Donnelly, Heitkamp
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 20:26:45 GMT
Again, anyone that voted to SHUT OUR GOVERNMENT DOWN because of ILLEGAL ALIENS would never get my vote.
The MAJORITY-all but 4 or so, of democrats CHOSE illegal aliens over U.S. citizens.
Simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 20:42:49 GMT
Again, anyone that voted to SHUT OUR GOVERNMENT DOWN because of ILLEGAL ALIENS would never get my vote. The MAJORITY-all but 4 or so, of democrats CHOSE illegal aliens over U.S. citizens. Simple as that. So you say these kids, who did not make the decision to enter this country illegally, should be punished because this country chose not to fully enforce the 1986 Immigration Reform Act almost from day one. Do you understand that if the 1986 Immigration Reform Act had been fully enforced these kids would have never come to this country in the first place. This country needs to take responsibility for what we allowed to happen for 30 years. It is not as simple as you try and claim it is. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 20, 2018 20:44:31 GMT
Again, anyone that voted to SHUT OUR GOVERNMENT DOWN because of ILLEGAL ALIENS would never get my vote. The MAJORITY-all but 4 or so, of democrats CHOSE illegal aliens over U.S. citizens. Simple as that. those people were never going to get your vote anyway. They will get my vote because while you make think the march 5th deadline us a farce, this is the only power the democrats have...hopefully that changes in the midterms, but you never know how uninformed, uneducated, self centered people will vote. This is trumps fault for the most part. He said he would sign a bill. There was a bi-partisan bill and dumbass changed his mind becauae someone told him to or someone had the audacity to challenge his "I can identify a camel so I must be awesome" ass. |
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