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Post by Really Red on Jul 4, 2018 17:13:55 GMT
Yesterday morning I got a call from my ex-husband's office and they said he was acting funny. They called 911, but apparently he had had the stroke about 12 hours prior. How the heck he drove to work, I do not know. He was speaking clearly, but didn't know anyone's name, including his own. They rushed him to the hospital and he had a blood clot on the brain. They operated and were able to remove 90%. I got there about 30 minutes prior to the end of the surgery. By then, he was awake and talking and relatively coherently. A few mixed up words, but he didn't understand what we said and didn't know names.
By the end of the evening yesterday, he said my name, his name and our son's name and was sounding pretty good. He was frustrated because he couldn't understand, but all in all, I felt okay. This morning he can't talk or understand much at all. He does not have paralysis and he is in his 50s.
I am his only person in the United States. He lives about 2.5 hours from me. I went up and back yesterday and up early this morning and got a room for the next few days. I am trying not to panic, but absolutely not succeeding. I can't imagine he will ever go back to work. He is very smart and does some pretty precise things for a living.
I am not a cryer at all, but I am having a really hard time with this one. I'm not even very sure where to turn. I don't have family near me but I do have ones who would come if I asked. I just want to see where I am before I do that.
I don't even know what I'm asking. Can anyone tell me anything? I'm reading stuff, but he's so much worse than yesterday! It doesn't help that this is a holiday, either. They did a second CT scan since the nurse was worried as well, but nothing has changed. It was a "significant stroke" and affected his ingoing/outgoing receptors. He was so spanking healthy - great weight, rode bikes/walked, ate well, didn't drink/smoke. They told me it was a 0.2% chance that it happened, not that that matters, I guess.
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Post by michellegb on Jul 4, 2018 17:22:29 GMT
I don't have any answers, but wanted to send you a hug at this scary time. My dad had a stroke and drove himself to the hospital right after (3 kids who were completely capable of driving him, but no, he drove himself). Ultimately he was ok, but it took time to recover. I hope you get some good news soon.
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Post by mom on Jul 4, 2018 17:25:13 GMT
First of all, its ok to be scared even though he is your ex.
I am a stroke survivor. What you are describing is similar to what I went through (though I did not have to have surgery to remove my clot). His brain has been to hell and back. He will struggle for a while (it could be days, weeks, months, etc). There is no real timeline on how long recovery can take. The key to stroke recovery is 1) he got help ASAP 2) the care he gets once he knows he had a stroke.
I went to a rehab that was located in my hospital for two weeks. While I did not lose function on either side, my brain would mix things up when I tried to talk. I knew the words, but they would not come out right. I could want to say mom and the word desk would come out. The nurses explained to me that my brain had had trauma and time was the only thing that could heal it. I would get mixed up for about a month and then it started getting better. I could walk fine, feed myself, etc. But I could not make my words/thoughts correlate.
The only thing I can tell you is it will take time. His brain hurts and is basically bruised (from the stroke and surgery). It will take some time for it to recover, but recovery is completely possible. I would say at 6 months after my stroke, I was probably 75% better (still had headaches, and some confusion) but by 12 months post stroke, I was probably 90% better. I am going on 5 years post stroke and I would say most days I am at 95%. I still struggle with names and I have accepted that probably wont change. I can still draw blueprints to scale, drive, and do just about everything I could before. It just took time.
FWIW, I was 34 when I had my stroke. I was completely healthy EXCEPT I have a hereditary blood disorder that required a special test to diagnose.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 4, 2018 17:30:27 GMT
Find out who at his employer can help with questions on health care, short term disability and long term disability plans. Does anyone have POA for health and/or financial decisions?
Although damage from strokes are unpredictable, his general good health is a positive for his chances of a good recovery and willingness to work through rehab.
{{{hugs}}}
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jul 4, 2018 17:44:22 GMT
It is really VERY VERY early to say anything. His brain has had a trauma, plus surgery. It needs to heal. He could have very good recovery with his good health. It's too soon to say he could never work again, or really anything. It's very common for someone to be worse the next day, or even days after a stroke. You have to be patient, and just wait til he heals. Hoping things cont to improve.
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Post by quiltz on Jul 4, 2018 18:05:14 GMT
Many hugs, good thoughts and prayers to you at this time. I do admire you for being there for your xh, as I don't think that I could do this for my xh. \ Find out who at his employer can help with questions on health care, short term disability and long term disability plans. Does anyone have POA for health and/or financial decisions? Although damage from strokes are unpredictable, his general good health is a positive for his chances of a good recovery and willingness to work through rehab. {{{hugs}}} ^^^^ this is excellent advice.
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Post by inkedup on Jul 4, 2018 18:17:06 GMT
First of all, its ok to be scared even though he is your ex. I am a stroke survivor. What you are describing is similar to what I went through (though I did not have to have surgery to remove my clot). His brain has been to hell and back. He will struggle for a while (it could be days, weeks, months, etc). There is no real timeline on how long recovery can take. The key to stroke recovery is 1) he got help ASAP 2) the care he gets once he knows he had a stroke. I went to a rehab that was located in my hospital for two weeks. While I did not lose function on either side, my brain would mix things up when I tried to talk. I knew the words, but they would not come out right. I could want to say mom and the word desk would come out. The nurses explained to me that my brain had had trauma and time was the only thing that could heal it. I would get mixed up for about a month and then it started getting better. I could walk fine, feed myself, etc. But I could not make my words/thoughts correlate. The only thing I can tell you is it will take time. His brain hurts and is basically bruised (from the stroke and surgery). It will take some time for it to recover, but recovery is completely possible. I would say at 6 months after my stroke, I was probably 75% better (still had headaches, and some confusion) but by 12 months post stroke, I was probably 90% better. I am going on 5 years post stroke and I would say most days I am at 95%. I still struggle with names and I have accepted that probably wont change. I can still draw blueprints to scale, drive, and do just about everything I could before. It just took time. FWIW, I was 34 when I had my stroke. I was completely healthy EXCEPT I have a hereditary blood disorder that required a special test to diagnose. I'm glad you have been able to live a full and happy life after suffering a stroke at such a young age. ❤
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Post by inkedup on Jul 4, 2018 18:17:42 GMT
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Jul 4, 2018 18:28:17 GMT
I just wanted to say I'm sorry.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 4, 2018 18:29:56 GMT
Lots of good advice here. Try not to panic because, as others have said, it will take time to see where he ends up.
My BIL (lives down the street from me and we are close) had a bad stroke in his 50s, about five years ago. It was actually his third stroke, but by far the worst. He was hospitalized for weeks and has had several surgeries since then, trying to resolve the problem that causes his strokes.
He has residual damage and will never be 100% back to normal. But he is functioning, enjoying life, back to work (but not full-time and without the full responsibilities he used to have ... he is an electrical engineer). He didn't drive for a long time after the stroke, but he's back to it now, with some accessibility modifications to his truck. He takes the place of a grandfather to my grandson, takes him out bike riding, camping, etc., and works in the classroom.
The first week, we couldn't have foreseen any of this improvement. So try to relax and let things happen at their own pace. But yeah, you also have to expect he may never completely get back to his pre-stroke self.
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 4, 2018 18:31:31 GMT
I'm sorry. I know this is so scary for both of you. I agree about contacting HR to make sure insurance is in order. Don't give up hope. Many people do recover from strokes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 18:32:27 GMT
So sorry you and he are going through this. Remember, if you are scared, he is too! Like someone said above, it's way too early to figure out the extent of the permanent damage. He will be frustrated trying to get the right words out. He knows what he wants to say, and doesn't understand what is going on. It will take time and patience. The vocabulary you are talking about is called "word salad." It's totally normal after a stroke. I hope he has a great recovery. ((HUGS))
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Post by birukitty on Jul 4, 2018 18:38:16 GMT
I'm so sorry to hear this news Really Red. I have no experience with strokes so I can't help you there but from the other posts it sounds like you've gotten great advice. Just wanted to send you big HUGS and let you know that I'm thinking about you.
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Post by Zee on Jul 4, 2018 18:51:29 GMT
I'm so sorry to hear this.
Strikes are very individualized, and Neuro is not my specialty, but I can tell you I have personally seen people make remarkable recoveries after strokes and anoxic brain injuries (lack of oxygen to the brain). It is early yet to count him out. He may be permanently disabled, but then again he could make a full or at least partial recovery. I've seen the gamut. I've seen people you thought would never function alone again walk out of the hospital joking with us nurses, so don't give up hope just yet.
Talk to his Neuro team so they can tell you where his specific injury to the brain was and what was affected, and what you can likely expect.
Sending good thoughts to you and your family!
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Post by peabay on Jul 4, 2018 18:56:52 GMT
Oh, how sad. I agree with the above that it's way too soon to know how he'll be in a week, in a month, in a year.
Strokes are a "take it day by day" kind of thing. It's really hard to do, but that's the healthiest way to approach it.
I hope he has a lot of improvement.
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Post by librarylady on Jul 4, 2018 19:02:52 GMT
Hug to you. I do hope he recovers. You have received some good advice. I hope someone from his family can come and be with him for awhile as he recovers.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 4, 2018 19:25:12 GMT
It's very common for someone to be worse the next day, or even days after a stroke. You have to be patient, and just wait til he heals. Hoping things cont to improve. cindyupnorth and others are right. It's too early to even think he won't go back to work etc. The brain is an amazing organ and it needs time to heal. Tomorrow get in contact with his work etc and find out about the disability etc. And absolutely call people who can help you. Deep breaths.. Too early to panic.
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Post by mikklynn on Jul 4, 2018 20:25:40 GMT
I want to add I think you are pretty terrific to be there for your ex. Now is the time to take care of yourself, too. This is going to be a marathon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 22:23:32 GMT
Does he have any family that can come and be with him?
You are a good person for going there.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 4, 2018 22:54:41 GMT
Sending you hugs. Hang in there. What you’re doing is admirable.
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Post by scrappyesq on Jul 4, 2018 22:56:19 GMT
Hugs to you.
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Post by Really Red on Jul 4, 2018 23:17:10 GMT
First of all, its ok to be scared even though he is your ex. I am a stroke survivor. What you are describing is similar to what I went through (though I did not have to have surgery to remove my clot). His brain has been to hell and back. He will struggle for a while (it could be days, weeks, months, etc). There is no real timeline on how long recovery can take. The key to stroke recovery is 1) he got help ASAP 2) the care he gets once he knows he had a stroke. I went to a rehab that was located in my hospital for two weeks. While I did not lose function on either side, my brain would mix things up when I tried to talk. I knew the words, but they would not come out right. I could want to say mom and the word desk would come out. The nurses explained to me that my brain had had trauma and time was the only thing that could heal it. I would get mixed up for about a month and then it started getting better. I could walk fine, feed myself, etc. But I could not make my words/thoughts correlate. The only thing I can tell you is it will take time. His brain hurts and is basically bruised (from the stroke and surgery). It will take some time for it to recover, but recovery is completely possible. I would say at 6 months after my stroke, I was probably 75% better (still had headaches, and some confusion) but by 12 months post stroke, I was probably 90% better. I am going on 5 years post stroke and I would say most days I am at 95%. I still struggle with names and I have accepted that probably wont change. I can still draw blueprints to scale, drive, and do just about everything I could before. It just took time. FWIW, I was 34 when I had my stroke. I was completely healthy EXCEPT I have a hereditary blood disorder that required a special test to diagnose. THANK YOU mom !!!! I cried reading this because I feel so awful. I know I'm not sleeping or eating (for once!), bu this makes me feel so much better. I love to hear that you are at 95% 12 months post stroke! The only people I know who've had strokes have not recovered. Thank you so much for sharing your story. He did poorly all day - I mean very little language and less comprehension, but by about one hour ago, he was sleeping and I was telling his brother (in French) what was going on and he said "Hey! Who are you talking to?" clear as a bell. He didn't understand his brother's name, but he didn't want me telling people anything. I gave him a banana and then he said my name! He's sleeping a lot and that is good. I feel a bit more hopeful tonight and your story cheers me to no end. Thank yoU!!! Find out who at his employer can help with questions on health care, short term disability and long term disability plans. Does anyone have POA for health and/or financial decisions? Although damage from strokes are unpredictable, his general good health is a positive for his chances of a good recovery and willingness to work through rehab. {{{hugs}}} We work for the same company in different cities. I know it all and it is good, so we are lucky in that sense. Does he have any family that can come and be with him? You are a good person for going there. I am literally the only person in the entire United States besides my kids. He doesn't have friends who would come to the hospital. His coworkers would come and see him, but that's about it. If we were in my city (2.5 hours away), I have friends who'd spell me and my sister said she'd come down if I need her, but right now I think if I sleep tonight, I'll feel better and more ready to handle things. Thank you for sharing your stories. They help me more than you can know!
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Post by lucyg on Jul 4, 2018 23:22:35 GMT
First of all, its ok to be scared even though he is your ex. I am a stroke survivor. What you are describing is similar to what I went through (though I did not have to have surgery to remove my clot). His brain has been to hell and back. He will struggle for a while (it could be days, weeks, months, etc). There is no real timeline on how long recovery can take. The key to stroke recovery is 1) he got help ASAP 2) the care he gets once he knows he had a stroke. I went to a rehab that was located in my hospital for two weeks. While I did not lose function on either side, my brain would mix things up when I tried to talk. I knew the words, but they would not come out right. I could want to say mom and the word desk would come out. The nurses explained to me that my brain had had trauma and time was the only thing that could heal it. I would get mixed up for about a month and then it started getting better. I could walk fine, feed myself, etc. But I could not make my words/thoughts correlate. The only thing I can tell you is it will take time. His brain hurts and is basically bruised (from the stroke and surgery). It will take some time for it to recover, but recovery is completely possible. I would say at 6 months after my stroke, I was probably 75% better (still had headaches, and some confusion) but by 12 months post stroke, I was probably 90% better. I am going on 5 years post stroke and I would say most days I am at 95%. I still struggle with names and I have accepted that probably wont change. I can still draw blueprints to scale, drive, and do just about everything I could before. It just took time. FWIW, I was 34 when I had my stroke. I was completely healthy EXCEPT I have a hereditary blood disorder that required a special test to diagnose. THANK YOU mom !!!! I cried reading this because I feel so awful. I know I'm not sleeping or eating (for once!), bu this makes me feel so much better. I love to hear that you are at 95% 12 months post stroke! The only people I know who've had strokes have not recovered. Thank you so much for sharing your story. He did poorly all day - I mean very little language and less comprehension, but by about one hour ago, he was sleeping and I was telling his brother (in French) what was going on and he said "Hey! Who are you talking to?" clear as a bell. He didn't understand his brother's name, but he didn't want me telling people anything. I gave him a banana and then he said my name! He's sleeping a lot and that is good. I feel a bit more hopeful tonight and your story cheers me to no end. Thank yoU!!! Find out who at his employer can help with questions on health care, short term disability and long term disability plans. Does anyone have POA for health and/or financial decisions? Although damage from strokes are unpredictable, his general good health is a positive for his chances of a good recovery and willingness to work through rehab. {{{hugs}}} We work for the same company in different cities. I know it all and it is good, so we are lucky in that sense. Does he have any family that can come and be with him? You are a good person for going there. I am literally the only person in the entire United States besides my kids. He doesn't have friends who would come to the hospital. His coworkers would come and see him, but that's about it. If we were in my city (2.5 hours away), I have friends who'd spell me and my sister said she'd come down if I need her, but right now I think if I sleep tonight, I'll feel better and more ready to handle things. Thank you for sharing your stories. They help me more than you can know! What about your kids? Can any of them come spell you?
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Post by Really Red on Jul 5, 2018 0:08:23 GMT
lucyg , my kids are still too young to deal with this (unless there were no other option). My 17yo is going to come up on Saturday. My 21yo girls are far away. One 10 hours away and the other overseas. They have both offered to come, but I don't want them to. It's a lot of sitting and talking to nurses and doctors and trying to understand what my ex is saying. He is a very even-tempered person and he was getting (understandably) mad today. I'm hoping that by the end of next week he will have improved enough that it isn't frightening to the kids. No one wants to see their parent like this. I am super lucky because my company is great about this and is letting me work from the hospital as much as I can. ETA: If the kids lived in town, I'd have them come for an hour or so.
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Post by destined2bmom on Jul 5, 2018 0:35:02 GMT
Really Red I am sorry that your Ex has had a stroke. You are wonderful for being there for him. Hugs and prayers being sent to you, your EX, and your family.
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Post by idahopea on Jul 5, 2018 3:11:59 GMT
I'm so sorry you and he are dealing with this. I suggest asking for a speech pathology evaluation. They are trained to help people who are recovering from strokes and can give you suggestions as well. They can also provide communication boards (pictures to point to) or devices to help him communicate while he is recovering to ease his frustrations. He may also need a swallowing evaluation to be sure he can swallow safely. I'll be thinking of you both and hoping for an excellent recovery.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 5, 2018 3:43:41 GMT
lucyg , my kids are still too young to deal with this (unless there were no other option). My 17yo is going to come up on Saturday. My 21yo girls are far away. One 10 hours away and the other overseas. They have both offered to come, but I don't want them to. It's a lot of sitting and talking to nurses and doctors and trying to understand what my ex is saying. He is a very even-tempered person and he was getting (understandably) mad today. I'm hoping that by the end of next week he will have improved enough that it isn't frightening to the kids. No one wants to see their parent like this. I am super lucky because my company is great about this and is letting me work from the hospital as much as I can. ETA: If the kids lived in town, I'd have them come for an hour or so. That makes sense. I'm sorry they're so far away. Just try not to overdo it yourself, okay?
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Post by theshyone on Jul 5, 2018 4:18:32 GMT
Just out of college a really good friend had a stroke, I think she was 22 or 23, it devastated her, there was much damage, and at a very young age, the frustration and anger she experienced for a long time. Even some paranoia. She tried to push away all those that loved her. She like with a fantastic support team though, her mom and dad, a brother was a physiotherapist, speech pathology. She had so many therapies. I moved away, kept in touch and kind of lost track. Ran into her years later and other than a slight drop in face she was awesome, had a couple kids, finished her degree, was working, being a mom. But even after all those years she said if she ever got very fatigues the word mixups would happen.
Time time time, surgery is a huge insult to the brain.
Hugs hugs.
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Post by tracyarts on Jul 5, 2018 5:49:23 GMT
It's not unheard of to have a stroke and not know it, and be at least partially functional afterwards.
When I had my first stroke, I had been really sick and was having medication complications. The weird symptoms were blown off as medication withdrawal at first since I had to stop the prescription without tapering off. It wasn't until I was sick enough to go to the ER that anybody suspected something was wrong with my brain. Nobody knows exactly when I had the stroke, after a certain amount of time, the damage doesn't look "new" on MRIs anymore, and it's not that long after the stroke. They think it happened in my sleep when I was so sick and out of it.
At first they couldn't find a cause and blew it off as an unlucky fluke. Strokes don't always have an obvious cause, sometimes the cause is never identified. Young otherwise healthy people do have strokes. But after it happened again, I had a doctor dig deeper and it was found that the cause was an undiagnosed autoimmune disease combined with very low blood pressure episodes.
The biggest challenge for me was fatigue. The brain needs rest to heal. I was sleeping up to 20 hours a day for a while. I still sleep a lot 2 years later, 10 hours on average. It seems like all brain injury causes fatigue. You have to accept it and work around it.
While the area of my brain that was damaged is large in size, my deficits have been moderate and mostly mental and sensory. I walk with a slight limp, and my affected side is a bit weaker. But I can function independently.
My big challenges are with executive functioning, balance, vision changes, verbal communication, and sensory overload.
I was evaluated for possible physical and occupational therapy, but didn't meet criteria for insurance funding. Yes, I have issues, but since they don't prevent me from functioning safely at home, therapies weren't an option.
Improvement happens slow. I get evaluated twice a year in terms of my peripheral vision, balance, and strength on affected side. I've made small steady improvements. But there's no way to know how much I'll recover in total, and how long I'll keep seeing recovery. Eventually it will taper off and then I'll be left with what it is.
One thing, well a few, that really upset me. Some of my friends and family dropped me cold. Some people treat me like I'm mentally challenged and talk slow and down to me. And a couple of people have told me that I must have been irresponsible with my health and did this to myself somehow. Oh and I've been called dumb and uneducated because I can't find the proper words or form correct sentence structure a lot of the time. It's not quite word salad, but sometimes it's pretty cringey. I'm very self conscious about my aphasia and notice that I don't talk much unless it's immediate family and very close friends.
I'm hoping to get in to see a neuropsychiatrist to talk about how this affects me on a mental health level. Sometimes stroke deficits are misdiagnosed as mental illness related. You really need a specialist who understands that brain and psyche are different and require different treatment approaches.
The executive function problems were misdiagnosed as clinical depression, and I spent over a year on medication that ultimately did more harm than good. I would definitely advise to seek a second opinion with a neuropsychiatrist if mental illness is suspected. It might be neurological instead.
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Post by jamieson on Jul 5, 2018 5:59:03 GMT
I have no advice, but plenty of virtual hugs for you. I can't imagine how scary this must be.
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