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Post by Zee on Sept 12, 2018 22:30:13 GMT
Do you ignore it? Let her know? My 7 year old won’t correct her, but I’m sure it bothers her. Do I send a light, fluffy email mentioning it, or just accept that people are going to constantly pronounce it wrong and leave it up to my daughter to correct them or not? Both times I’ve met her I’ve said “I’m Cecily’s mom” (sess-ih-lee) and she responds “Sicily is ____!” (enthusiastic praise, she is very lovely... I don’t want to offend her in any way, but if I was a teacher I would want to know if I wasn’t pronouncing a name correctly.). Also... I am aware that both pronunciations are correct, but we use cess instead of ciss. Also also... sorry if this is stupid or helicoptery. My name is Mary. My name has never been mispronounced ever in the history of forever. Just not sure how to handle it. Interesting, I would call her SESS-ily and I've heard SEES-ily but never SIS-ily. you can try letting the teacher know nicely but some people will never get it. My DD is named Ainsley and she is constantly called ANNsley. She hates it and blames me for giving her a "weird" name (it's actually an older Scottish name with an Anlgicized spelling and if you can say rain instead of ran it should be simple, but...)
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Post by papersilly on Sept 12, 2018 22:32:33 GMT
disclaimer: before i opened this thread, i thought it might be one of those Bryeighthonniegh kind of names and then i might have seen the teacher's point. but after i saw that the name was Cecily, i wondered how anyone could mispronounce it or confuse Cecily for Sicily. write your letter. i'm sure the teacher and your daughter will be happy to be on the same page.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 12, 2018 22:44:00 GMT
I agree that Cess and Cic might sound the same to the teacher. To me Dawn and Don and lawn and con all sound exactly the same. Some people will think I’m nuts. I agree. They sound the same to me as well. Some parts of the country have an extra vowel, sort of a low /aw/ and other areas do not. Similarly, some parts don’t really differentiate between a short /e/ and a short /I/.
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 12, 2018 22:46:21 GMT
My chem teacher in HS mispronounce my name (my name isn’t some weird name...idk how he even could think it could sound how he pronounced it but whatever) I told him it was pronounced .... and he said “I prefer to say it my way” Oh my gosh, that made me legit LOL! What a turd!
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 12, 2018 22:49:51 GMT
You can correct the teacher, but if your experience is anything like mine, it won't matter. My daughter is Naomi. Sooooo many people pronounce it Nigh-oh-me...it's Nay-oh-me. By the time she got to high school she quit correcting people. About three months into her freshman year her band director asked how to pronounce it. She told him and he said everyone kept correcting him when he was saying it correctly. When she said she didn't really care how you pronounced it he said "I need you to care because I'm tired of being corrected." The band ended up calling her Nermi...go figure. Nermi is absolutely cracking me up. It’s like somehow nay-oh-me broke his brain. Nermi?
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 12, 2018 22:52:13 GMT
So is it almost like own with a d?
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Post by gina on Sept 12, 2018 22:52:37 GMT
I don't think I would tell the teacher because she might hear/believe she IS saying it correct. I don't know. I am a New Yorker and we do not pronounce Dawn and Don the same way at all! lol We have the hard W in there... I don't know how to describe it because I would just type it out the same way you see it: Dawn and Don. lol DAWE-N = Dawn DAH-N = Don Maybe that might help.
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Post by Jili on Sept 12, 2018 22:53:45 GMT
I would definitely encourage your dd to say something about this. Practice a script she might use that she would feel comfortable with.
If she's not comfortable with this, please make a phone call. We had this situation come up at our school several years ago. We had a student named Hassan. He came to us from our lower elementary school, and of course we all pronounced his name "Huh-SAHN", as did all of the staff at the lower elementary school. His peers called him this, too.
At a meeting in the spring, his father expressed frustration that no staff member at school (since the beginning of time) had pronounced his name correctly, which was "HUH-sin". Of course, we all felt absolutely terrible. The student was an outgoing little guy, but he never corrected anyone. When I asked him about it later, he said that he knew everyone didn't pronounce his name correctly but that it didn't bother him too much and that he just accepted it. We had a conversation that it was perfectly OK for him to be assertive in telling people how to pronounce his name correctly.
It was definitely a little work on our part to change what we had been doing, but we did, and over time, the students made the change as well, hearing the adult models.
I don't think any child should have to experience having his/her name consistently mispronounced. No teacher wants to do that, either. It's perfectly OK to say something.
Another story that's kind of related-- it has to do with a current student, so I will not state his name. His parents are originally from India (came here as children). At a meeting we held, we noted that the parents pronounced the student's name differently than we did. Same situation as Hassan. Since this was following the Hassan incident, we actually asked the parents-- we notice that we're pronouncing his name differently than you are. Are we incorrect? The parents told us that yes, we weren't pronouncing his name correctly. But... the student likes this pronunciation. To him, it is a fun nickname. In fact, when at school, he has instructed his parents to use the 'school' pronunciation in front of his friends. They actually think that it is hilarious.
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Post by AussieMeg on Sept 12, 2018 22:54:39 GMT
Whoa, okay... mind blown. They are the same in my brain, too. How do others pronounce them differently?!? . I think it all comes down to the North American accents. Don and Dawn don’t sound alike to me at all. Same here. Dawn and Don are completely different. We've definitely had his conversation here before, about those two names. 🙂 Dawn = dorn or door with an N (remembering that we don't pronounce our Rs as distinctly as Americans) Don = well, Don! A much shorter sound. I don't understand how someone reads the name Cecily with an E and says Sicily with an I.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Sept 12, 2018 22:55:13 GMT
Who do they not sound the same too? Dawn and Don, I mean. How do they sound to other people? The issue is really more whether they are spoken the same... and they should not be. They each have a distinctive pronunciation. If they sound the same to you, isn't that due to lazy pronunciation by the speaker? I think Cecily is a lovely name. I've heard it pronounced both ways, but I think the cess-i-ly one is prettier to hear. My oldest son doesn't have a problem with people pronouncing his name correctly, but many cannot spell it right. It ends in -or and many people automatically spell it with an -er ending.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 12, 2018 22:56:05 GMT
now that i think about it, i've heard the media pronounce Cecily Tyson's name in both ways. i wonder how she prefers it?
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Post by jennyap on Sept 12, 2018 22:59:25 GMT
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 12, 2018 22:59:38 GMT
now that i think about it, i've heard the media pronounce Cecily Tyson's name in both ways. i wonder how she prefers it? Her name is actually spelled Cicely and pronounced Sicily.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 23:01:22 GMT
I agree that Cess and Cic might sound the same to the teacher. To me Dawn and Don and lawn and con all sound exactly the same. Some people will think I’m nuts. Dawn and Don can sound different to me but I am unable to reproduce the differences so they end up sounding the same when I say them even though I feel like I reproduced the difference in sound. I have a suspicion my short e and short i probably sound more alike than differentiated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 23:02:06 GMT
Come on peas! It's Dawn like in Don which happens to rhyme with on!
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 12, 2018 23:02:49 GMT
I think Cecily is a lovely name. I've heard it pronounced both ways, but I think the cess-i-ly one is prettier to hear. I agree, (I mean, obviously) the cess version is much prettier to my ears.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Sept 12, 2018 23:02:57 GMT
now that i think about it, i've heard the media pronounce Cecily Tyson's name in both ways. i wonder how she prefers it? Her name is Cicily and she pronounces it Siss ily. Those who say Cess and Cis sound the same: Cess is like Sesame. Cic is like Sister. It’s not the same situation as Don and Dawn, which when you don’t pronounce the w they sound the same).
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Post by Merge on Sept 12, 2018 23:04:37 GMT
Is it possible she thinks she’s saying “sess?” There are a lot of people around here who say “pin” when they want a writing instrument. And “pincil,” too.
If you think not, then a lighthearted email seems the best thing.
As an aside: I have a student this year named Shubham. He’s from India. It’s a common name there. He pronounces it, I copy exactly what I hear him say, and he says, No, it’s Shubham. I repeat it and he sighs. Same thing at parent night with his very sweet parents. I apparently can not hear or say something that changes the name to them a great deal.
I trained as an opera singer and like to think I have a good ear for variations in vowel shapes and consonant placement between languages, but this one completely befuddles me.
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 12, 2018 23:09:46 GMT
LOL, I’m really bad at this.
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Post by GiantsFan on Sept 12, 2018 23:10:45 GMT
I would send an email to the teacher that it's Ciss not Cess. And go from there. If she continues to say it wrong then I'm not sure what to do. But it's worth trying. She probably doesn't even know she's saying wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 23:11:09 GMT
Who do they not sound the same too? Dawn and Don, I mean. How do they sound to other people? The issue is really more whether they are spoken the same... and they should not be. They each have a distinctive pronunciation. If they sound the same to you, isn't that due to lazy pronunciation by the speaker? I think Cecily is a lovely name. I've heard it pronounced both ways, but I think the cess-i-ly one is prettier to hear. My oldest son doesn't have a problem with people pronouncing his name correctly, but many cannot spell it right. It ends in -or and many people automatically spell it with an -er ending. Not always. Auditory processing is a different brain activity than speech. It isn't just laziness. This is a big part of why some people have more difficulty with learning second languages and why a childhood accent persists even after moving from an area where it developed; they aren't able to hear and replicate sounds outside of the early childhood speech set.
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Post by just PEAchy on Sept 12, 2018 23:14:29 GMT
I would mention it to the teacher, either in an email or next time you see her in person. I’ve never heard the name pronounced Sicily, the way it’s spelled, I think it’s clearly Cess-ily. I’m a Midwesterner and Dawn & Don are pronounced differently. Unless you live in Chicago as I learned from my dorm mates. There was a Dawn on our floor and for the longest time, I couldn’t figure out why everyone was calling her Don
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Post by Merge on Sept 12, 2018 23:14:46 GMT
LOL, I’m really bad at this. Do ah and aw sound different to you? That’s the difference. If not, then I’ve got nothin’ for ya. 😂
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 12, 2018 23:14:52 GMT
I would send an email to the teacher that it's Ciss not Cess. And go from there. If she continues to say it wrong then I'm not sure what to do. But it's worth trying. She probably doesn't even know she's saying wrong. Hee! Except the opposite of that. (It’s cess not ciss.)
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Sept 12, 2018 23:15:58 GMT
Not always. Auditory processing is a different brain activity than speech. It isn't just laziness. This is a big part of why some people have more difficulty with learning second languages and why a childhood accent persists even after moving from an area where it developed; they aren't able to hear and replicate sounds outside of the early childhood speech set. Fair enough. Come to think of it, I know I don't "hear" what others do when it comes to music. I've listened to music that people swear sounds completely different on another set of speakers or with a few adjustments of all the tuning buttons... and I simply don't hear what they do. It all sounds the same to me.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 12, 2018 23:17:26 GMT
I agree that Cess and Cic might sound the same to the teacher. To me Dawn and Don and lawn and con all sound exactly the same. Some people will think I’m nuts. Who do they not sound the same too? Dawn and Don, I mean. How do they sound to other people? Dawn is said like 'yawn' and Don is said like, well, Don. lol. Dawn should be with a bit of a drawl, and Don is more like the word 'on' as in 'turn on the light' and it's a shorter-length vowel sound. At least the way I say them, that's the difference. --> One of my fiance's childhood friends is named Don... and his wife is Dawn. LOL!! Seriously, that's their names. And they're said differently-- well, in the Midwest they are, anyway. To me, there shouldn't be any problem with Cecily-- it's NOT said like the island.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 12, 2018 23:19:04 GMT
I would be so upset with myself if I pronounced a kid's name incorrectly repeatedly. At 7, yes you encourage them to talk to their teacher, but maybe she just needs you to be next to her when she does it. Kind of guided practice for the next time. One year I spelled a kid's name wrong until Parent Teacher conferences. The parent told me and I gave the kiddo crusty eye. She just said it didn't matter and I told her it did matter and it is part of who she is and to always stand up for herself even with little things.
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Post by GiantsFan on Sept 12, 2018 23:19:05 GMT
I would send an email to the teacher that it's Ciss not Cess. And go from there. If she continues to say it wrong then I'm not sure what to do. But it's worth trying. She probably doesn't even know she's saying wrong. Hee! Except the opposite of that. (It’s cess not ciss.) Ooops, sorry. But see you corrected me and now I know!
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Post by lisacharlotte on Sept 12, 2018 23:19:16 GMT
merry/marry/Mary all sound the same to me too.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Sept 12, 2018 23:21:44 GMT
Whoa, okay... mind blown. They are the same in my brain, too. How do others pronounce them differently?!? . I think it all comes down to the North American accents. Don and Dawn don’t sound alike to me at all. I know right? But in North America they are said the same way. I take offence to people spelling it wrong because DO I LOOK LIKE A MAN TO YOU???
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