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Post by Delta Dawn on Sept 13, 2018 11:25:29 GMT
I live in North America. I pronounce those names differently. Oh dear god Delta Dawn ..... Dawn rhymes with lawn Don rhymes with on... your name Dawn is NOT that difficult to spell... Eddie-n-Harley You are right...they are pronounced differently I know, right? Lawn, fawn, Shawn. I don’t get it either. I am very feminine looking and why don’t people know that Dawn is a woman’s name???
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Post by gar on Sept 13, 2018 11:27:19 GMT
The two names I hear said the same all the time are Aaron and Erin. Both seem to get pronounced "Air-in". Drives me nuts especially if I don't know if the person being referred to is male or female. That's because they are pronounced the same. Not necessarily- depends on you’re accent, as testified by many here.
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Post by gillyp on Sept 13, 2018 11:45:46 GMT
I love this thread! I love how similar yet different we are and how hot under the collar it makes some of us. Cecily is such a pretty name for your little girl, MaryMary
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Post by Judie in Oz on Sept 13, 2018 11:45:55 GMT
Also, they very widely by region. The word "let" spoken by someone from western NY sounds to me like "lut." Spoken by someone from Australia, it sounds to me like "lit." The teacher may actually be saying it with the correct vowel, but a different regional accent. When *I* say, it, of course, it's a perfect "let" - to MY ears. Kate, that's the New Zealand pronunciation of let. Australians pronounce it correctly!
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Post by Zee on Sept 13, 2018 12:05:45 GMT
I live in North America. I pronounce those names differently. Everyone here says Dawn as Don. I only hear Dohn from people from other English speaking countries. My grandfather spelled my name wrong, too. Not in the Midwest. Dawn is like awe, rhymes with yawn, and Don is like ahhh, rhymes with con.
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Post by scrappington on Sept 13, 2018 12:23:33 GMT
I would correct it and I would encourage your daughter to speak up and correct it as well. My older daughter not only gets mispronunciations but she also gets unrelated names as well - she learnt quickly to answer to anything close [br I have this issue. Kristen. Doesn't seem that hard. But Kirsten, Christine are a favours I pretty much answer to anything that is remotely close. Kr or Ch
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Post by Linda on Sept 13, 2018 12:49:23 GMT
I would correct it and I would encourage your daughter to speak up and correct it as well. My older daughter not only gets mispronunciations but she also gets unrelated names as well - she learnt quickly to answer to anything close [br I have this issue. Kristen. Doesn't seem that hard. But Kirsten, Christine are a favours I pretty much answer to anything that is remotely close. Kr or Ch Her name is Cathleen - she answers to Catherine, Kathlyn, Kathryn, Caitlin....even Colleen (she had a teacher call her that for an entire year despite being regularly corrected). She was so excited the year they got a new lunch lady who actually said her name right every time - turns out lunch lady's name was Kathleen.
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Post by Linda on Sept 13, 2018 12:55:40 GMT
I think the part that frustrates me is that pretty much all the names in this thread are 'typical' names - perhaps not super common but nothing way out there or spellt super unusually or especially u-neek.
I think it's important to pronounce (and spell -I just called our school district because my youngest daughter's name was spellt wrong on a certificate she was given at the school board meeting this week) people's names correctly but I acknowledge that sometimes it's hard to guess the spelling or pronunciation - but ASK and accept correction PLEASE.
I picked fairly traditional names with traditional (and phonetic) spellings for my kids -Simon, Cathleen, Annabelle - and all three have had issues with spelling and pronuciation. I don't get it. Even if you name your child Jyszkah! and call her Jessica -I'm going to make an effort to a) call her Jessica and b) spell her name the way she spells it
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 13, 2018 13:06:21 GMT
What a lovely name. I would tell the teacher. In my teacher experience, young-eared first graders will parrot teacher name mispronunciations and then you’re looking forward (/s) to years of peers influencing each other (sometimes very explicitly). It becomes part of the culture at a school, so I believe it’s better to nip it in the bud. I’m a Midwesterner and Dawn & Don are pronounced differently. Unless you live in Chicago as I learned from my dorm mates. There was a Dawn on our floor and for the longest time, I couldn’t figure out why everyone was calling her Don Interesting. This lifelong Chicagoan says D awn like “ Aw, how cute,” as does everybody I know. Nothing like “Don,” which is like “Open your mouth and say “ Ah.” Sometimes accent comes down to what side of town you’re from. [Vowel Related: I actually use the same “ aw” vowel sound for “Chicago” (Chic awgo, not Chic ahgo). Both pronunciations are equally common here, with Chicahgo more common from outsiders.]
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 13:08:19 GMT
To my ears Aaron has a much longer a sound - air-n whereas Erin is much shorter - Eh-rin. Accents make so much difference 🙂 Oh yes, in the south, it's the same to us (at least everyone I know) but if I was still in jolly 'ol England, I would agree with you. That's because we know the sounds of our long vowels and our short vowels
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 13, 2018 13:11:02 GMT
I would definitely encourage your dd to say something about this. Practice a script she might use that she would feel comfortable with. If she's not comfortable with this, please make a phone call. We had this situation come up at our school several years ago. We had a student named Hassan. He came to us from our lower elementary school, and of course we all pronounced his name "Huh-SAHN", as did all of the staff at the lower elementary school. His peers called him this, too. At a meeting in the spring, his father expressed frustration that no staff member at school (since the beginning of time) had pronounced his name correctly, which was "HUH-sin". Of course, we all felt absolutely terrible. The student was an outgoing little guy, but he never corrected anyone. When I asked him about it later, he said that he knew everyone didn't pronounce his name correctly but that it didn't bother him too much and that he just accepted it. We had a conversation that it was perfectly OK for him to be assertive in telling people how to pronounce his name correctly. It was definitely a little work on our part to change what we had been doing, but we did, and over time, the students made the change as well, hearing the adult models. I don't think any child should have to experience having his/her name consistently mispronounced. No teacher wants to do that, either. It's perfectly OK to say something. Another story that's kind of related-- it has to do with a current student, so I will not state his name. His parents are originally from India (came here as children). At a meeting we held, we noted that the parents pronounced the student's name differently than we did. Same situation as Hassan. Since this was following the Hassan incident, we actually asked the parents-- we notice that we're pronouncing his name differently than you are. Are we incorrect? The parents told us that yes, we weren't pronouncing his name correctly. But... the student likes this pronunciation. To him, it is a fun nickname. In fact, when at school, he has instructed his parents to use the 'school' pronunciation in front of his friends. They actually think that it is hilarious. So true. I could tell these same stories. Jili , if you have planning time this morning (yeah, right), come back and teach us IPA*. If we all knew it, these threads would be much clearer. Maybe admin could include a mandatory IPA proficiency test in order to register. *International Phonetic Alphabet (she’s a speech and language pathologist)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 13:27:55 GMT
I would definitely encourage your dd to say something about this. Practice a script she might use that she would feel comfortable with. If she's not comfortable with this, please make a phone call. We had this situation come up at our school several years ago. We had a student named Hassan. He came to us from our lower elementary school, and of course we all pronounced his name "Huh-SAHN", as did all of the staff at the lower elementary school. His peers called him this, too. At a meeting in the spring, his father expressed frustration that no staff member at school (since the beginning of time) had pronounced his name correctly, which was "HUH-sin". Of course, we all felt absolutely terrible. The student was an outgoing little guy, but he never corrected anyone. When I asked him about it later, he said that he knew everyone didn't pronounce his name correctly but that it didn't bother him too much and that he just accepted it. We had a conversation that it was perfectly OK for him to be assertive in telling people how to pronounce his name correctly. It was definitely a little work on our part to change what we had been doing, but we did, and over time, the students made the change as well, hearing the adult models. I don't think any child should have to experience having his/her name consistently mispronounced. No teacher wants to do that, either. It's perfectly OK to say something. Another story that's kind of related-- it has to do with a current student, so I will not state his name. His parents are originally from India (came here as children). At a meeting we held, we noted that the parents pronounced the student's name differently than we did. Same situation as Hassan. Since this was following the Hassan incident, we actually asked the parents-- we notice that we're pronouncing his name differently than you are. Are we incorrect? The parents told us that yes, we weren't pronouncing his name correctly. But... the student likes this pronunciation. To him, it is a fun nickname. In fact, when at school, he has instructed his parents to use the 'school' pronunciation in front of his friends. They actually think that it is hilarious. So true. I could tell these same stories. Jili , if you have planning time this morning (yeah, right), come back and teach us IPA*. If we all knew it, these threads would be much clearer. *International Phonetic Alphabet (she’s a speech and language pathologist) It seems to me that this is where the difference lies for a lot of people. Not that I'm saying that our way is the right way but it's usual to learn the different "sounds" of the vowels together with other "sounds"when you learn to read in the UK. Similar to this video
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 13, 2018 13:43:26 GMT
My own mother puts a t in the middle of my 17yo daughter's name: Keltsey instead of Kelsey. It doesn't matter how many times I talk to her about it... she thinks she's saying it the same way I do. Also, I'm now determined to find a way to mispronounce your name. And hoping to have a chance to do that next time you come to my state. BECAUSE SURELY YOU WON'T COME AGAIN WITHOUT A MEETUP. Don’t make me pronounce your name with a hard G, young lady! My Utah trips were frantic, whirlwind, wedding heavy affairs. There wasn’t any time for me to ditch my kids to hang out with friends. 👎Hopefully next time, though. I want to see your house!
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Post by peabrain on Sept 13, 2018 14:01:57 GMT
I'm glad it was resolved, peacefully, lol.
No seriously. I have a soft spot for names. I went to pick up an RX the other day and the Pharmacist said, "Can you look at this? I think they misspelled your name."
I don't need to. That's how you spell my name. Thanks.
And btw, I think Cecily is a beautiful name.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 13, 2018 14:39:40 GMT
It seems to me that this is where the difference lies for a lot of people. Not that I'm saying that our way is the right way but it's usual to learn the different "sounds" of the vowels together with other "sounds"when you learn to read in the UK. Similar to this video /'tru: 'ðæt/
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Post by Jili on Sept 13, 2018 14:59:49 GMT
I would definitely encourage your dd to say something about this. Practice a script she might use that she would feel comfortable with. If she's not comfortable with this, please make a phone call. We had this situation come up at our school several years ago. We had a student named Hassan. He came to us from our lower elementary school, and of course we all pronounced his name "Huh-SAHN", as did all of the staff at the lower elementary school. His peers called him this, too. At a meeting in the spring, his father expressed frustration that no staff member at school (since the beginning of time) had pronounced his name correctly, which was "HUH-sin". Of course, we all felt absolutely terrible. The student was an outgoing little guy, but he never corrected anyone. When I asked him about it later, he said that he knew everyone didn't pronounce his name correctly but that it didn't bother him too much and that he just accepted it. We had a conversation that it was perfectly OK for him to be assertive in telling people how to pronounce his name correctly. It was definitely a little work on our part to change what we had been doing, but we did, and over time, the students made the change as well, hearing the adult models. I don't think any child should have to experience having his/her name consistently mispronounced. No teacher wants to do that, either. It's perfectly OK to say something. Another story that's kind of related-- it has to do with a current student, so I will not state his name. His parents are originally from India (came here as children). At a meeting we held, we noted that the parents pronounced the student's name differently than we did. Same situation as Hassan. Since this was following the Hassan incident, we actually asked the parents-- we notice that we're pronouncing his name differently than you are. Are we incorrect? The parents told us that yes, we weren't pronouncing his name correctly. But... the student likes this pronunciation. To him, it is a fun nickname. In fact, when at school, he has instructed his parents to use the 'school' pronunciation in front of his friends. They actually think that it is hilarious. So true. I could tell these same stories. Jili , if you have planning time this morning (yeah, right), come back and teach us IPA*. If we all knew it, these threads would be much clearer. Maybe admin could include a mandatory IPA proficiency test in order to register. *International Phonetic Alphabet (she’s a speech and language pathologist)Ha, I'm in a meeting right now where nothing pertains to me (it's a team meeting, as the students have late start today), so I'm not slacking off. I am not as tech savvy as I should be, so I don't know how to do IPA on a keyboard. I never write it in reports anyway because it confuses everyone. It's seriously cool, though. IPA is particularly awesome on t-shirts for SLP majors in college. Not to mention that it would help tremendously to clarify the pronunciation of names such as "Dawn" and "Don".
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Post by pattyraindrops on Sept 13, 2018 15:12:38 GMT
I suspect she can’t pick up the difference for whatever reason. I would guess that. My last name has a letter on the end. Everywhere I have ever been people have pronounced that letter. Even when they badly mess up the pronunciation they say that letter. Here, nearly everyone drops that letter. For example, say my last name is Bogart. People say "Bogar". I have even said things like, "no. Bogart as in Humphrey Bogart". They will reply, "oh! Bogar."
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Post by buddysmom on Sept 13, 2018 15:25:37 GMT
I agree that Cess and Cic might sound the same to the teacher. To me Dawn and Don and lawn and con all sound exactly the same. Some people will think I’m nuts. I knew someone in college named Dawn; she was from NJ or NY and SHE pronounced her own name "Dorn." She even had a vanity car tag with "Dorn" on it.
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Post by buddysmom on Sept 13, 2018 15:28:53 GMT
Had a friend in HS named Mimi.
She pronounced it Mi-mee not MeeMee. (short "i")
So she called one day, my mom answered the phone and asked, who's calling.
She said, Mimi (short "i").
My mom said, you mean MeeMee?
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Post by Prenticekid on Sept 13, 2018 15:37:21 GMT
In Pittsburgh, the pronunciations for Dawn and Don are swapped. I've lived here over 30 years, and it still gets me. Someone will be talking about a Don they know, and the conversation won't make sense until I realize they are talking about a woman named Dawn. If they are talking about a Dawny (with a huge accent on the aw (like yawn) part --- its some guy named Donny. Actually, for some of you who hear the two names the same, I bet if you came to Pittsburgh, you'd hear the difference! LOL
Another fun Pittsburgh pronunciation fact: downtown = dahntahn.
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Post by compeateropeator on Sept 13, 2018 15:43:40 GMT
Glad things are somewhat settled. I say Don and Dawn the same and they rhyme with on, lawn and con Mary, merry, and marry are all pronounced the same. We have a Mechelle at work and I make sure to pronounce it Mechelle, although she often gets called Michelle. Then I have a relative that has a daughter Michelle that she pronounces Mechelle, just because that is the way she pronounces Michelle. I am always so fascinated by pronunciation threads. I really enjoy reading them; I am amazed by some of the differences. There are a lot of French Canadian influences in my family and the community that I grew up in. That coupled with a Vermont/New England spin gives for some unique pronunciations of names and various words. You don’t often realize the differences until you really start hearing all the different versions.
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Post by beepdave on Sept 13, 2018 15:57:46 GMT
One of my fiance's childhood friends is named Don... and his wife is Dawn. LOL!! Seriously, that's their names. And they're said differently-- well, in the Midwest they are, anyway. We have a Don and Dawn in our town as well (and they have a business together!) I always call to talk to Dawn, so I make sure my Dawn sounds like Dawn! :-) Haven't got the wrong one on the phone yet! Ha!
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Post by beepdave on Sept 13, 2018 16:09:20 GMT
I have had my common, but weirdly spelled, name mispronounced by so many teachers, it's not even funny. Even when I have corrected spelling and/or pronunciation, most teachers would continue to do it the way they wanted. My high school English teacher even asked if I was sure I wasn't pulling his leg. My daughter's name is Alexandra and she prefers her full name. Quite a few teachers have insisted on calling her Alex, despite many corrections. My sister is Alexandra and when she was little, we called her Romie, but at about 5 it changed to Lexie. Everyone called her AlexanDRIA. She hated that. Her boyfriend decided to call her Alex, so she tried that, even putting it on her nametag at work, but it never stuck. She married that guy and she's been back to Lexie for years. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 16:21:19 GMT
So, if I'm reading this right, when I'm sleepy because I got up at the crack of don it's most likely that at this time of day I'll be sitting here yonning?
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Post by beepdave on Sept 13, 2018 16:22:34 GMT
So, if I'm reading this right, when I'm sleepy because I got up at the crack of don it's most likely that at this time of day I'll be sitting here yonning? Hahahaha! This made me snort out loud!
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Post by Merge on Sept 13, 2018 16:30:57 GMT
It seems to me that this is where the difference lies for a lot of people. Not that I'm saying that our way is the right way but it's usual to learn the different "sounds" of the vowels together with other "sounds"when you learn to read in the UK. Similar to this video /'tru: 'ðæt/ Ooh, breaking out the IPA symbols. 😍
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 16:31:30 GMT
So, if I'm reading this right, when I'm sleepy because I got up at the crack of don it's most likely that at this time of day I'll be sitting here yonning? Got it in one lainey
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Post by Patter on Sept 13, 2018 17:07:56 GMT
Oh yes, in the south, it's the same to us (at least everyone I know) but if I was still in jolly 'ol England, I would agree with you. That's because we know the sounds of our long vowels and our short vowels That's hilarious!
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Post by lisacharlotte on Sept 13, 2018 17:28:22 GMT
So, if I'm reading this right, when I'm sleepy because I got up at the crack of don it's most likely that at this time of day I'll be sitting here yonning? Yup, dawn, don, yawn all sound the same to me. Same with merry/marry/Mary. I think that’s pretty common for native Southern Californians.
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Post by chlerbie on Sept 13, 2018 19:08:08 GMT
My last name was usually the issue. (It ends in a VAK, which is pronounced VOCK, but they'd inevitably say "VACK") I would try and correct and some teachers just never got it, so I gave up.
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