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Post by Really Red on Feb 25, 2019 23:47:36 GMT
The actual Tweet: Yup. If you don’t like the #GreenNewDeal, then come up with your own ambitious, on-scale proposal to address the global climate crisis. Until then, we’re in charge - and you’re just shouting from the cheap seats. That's the tweet in question? Then I'm on the side of AOC. She startled me at first (when I first heard of her - not now), but I have sat down and listened to some of her speeches and I, too, find her eloquent and clear. She does not obfuscate at all and I find obfuscation one of the biggest problems in both parties. AnotherPea I don't see how that tweet shows that she thinks highly of herself at all. I also don't see how this tweet is childish. I honestly find that comment rather stupefying coming from anyone who has ever listened to one tweet that Trump has written. |
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Post by jayfab on Feb 25, 2019 23:50:25 GMT
The actual Tweet: Yup. If you don’t like the #GreenNewDeal, then come up with your own ambitious, on-scale proposal to address the global climate crisis. Until then, we’re in charge - and you’re just shouting from the cheap seats. I see nothing wrong with the tweet. Wasn't America built on ideas? Discuss, keep the good ideas, change some ideas and throw out bad ideas. Progress happens with ideas. |
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Post by hop2 on Feb 25, 2019 23:50:36 GMT
I haven’t seen her tweet so I can’t answer yo that
But the phrase ‘too big for his britches’ is a phrase from my grandparents generation and my grandmother always used it to refer to a man or a boy but either way a male. ‘Britches’ is another form of breeches which my grandparents used to refer to the pants men wore. So, yes, if I used that phrase I’d use it for a male as well. That is just my experience with that phrase.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 25, 2019 23:50:36 GMT
I wonder if the same would be said about her britches if she was a man. Probably not. I never seem to hear about Trump being too big for his, no matter what he says or does. When he tweets ridiculous shit about how whatever he's doing is the best, the biggest, the most, he's called "confident". I absolutely would use that term for a man if he was saying the same stupid crap. And you have got to be kidding me that you don’t hear people say Trump he overshoots his power - I’m on the same forum you are and I see plenty of that just here. Have you yourself said those things? I don’t think so. IMO, people who make excuses for and support trump don’t have much credibility when complaining about another politicians behavior. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 25, 2019 23:52:19 GMT
You don’t have to like her or agree with her but I am sick and goddamn tired of people talking about her like she’s a child. JFC she’s a grown woman who was rightfully elected. Speak of her as such, not like your bratty neighbor child. Seriously?!?! After the way Trump was been ridiculed and called names for the last 2+years everyone in DC is fair game. He calls everyone names..............Talks about others' wives negatively in public/on TV etc...... There are at least 150 million of us including AOC .. and he get called a few names? Not an issue. |
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Post by None on Feb 25, 2019 23:55:56 GMT
I haven't seen the tweet, but I think that when a woman says is described as "too big for her britches" or "full of herself", it's the usually the same thing as a man being called "confident". What's wrong with a new Congresswoman being confident and expressing new ideas? What we've got going now is not working -- let's hear all the ideas we can! |
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Post by None on Feb 25, 2019 23:57:10 GMT
She's a freaking idiot.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 25, 2019 23:58:12 GMT
I don't know. To me it's like she's saying "put up or shut up." I don't really see why this is an issue. Compared to Trump's tweets, this reads like she graduated charm school. To call her "too big for her britches" because she's vocal about her platforms and positions? Nah.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 0:05:43 GMT
The Democrats have one goal and only one goal in 2020 and that is to kick trump out of office.
And AOC is a big distraction we don’t need. You know how in the past Republicans would drag Nancy Pelosi in as the monster to fear. Will she has been replaced by AOC as the monster to fear on steroids, and they are painting her as the face of the new Democratic Party. And believe me she is giving the right plenty of ammunition like this little gem from a story that I posted on the catch all thread.
“Freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said young people have to ask a “legitimate question” in the wake of climate change and mounting student loan debt: “Is it okay to still have children?”
Now some may think that is a legitimate question that should be asked. But I guarantee you many more will think WTH.
And as far as the New Green Deal goes, ambitious but way short on details on how it will work and how is it going to be paid for. I read she is going to be traveling around the country talking to people about the New Green Deal. I hope she comes to where I live because I really would like to have a conversation with her. I have some questions I would like her to answer.
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 26, 2019 0:07:02 GMT
I can get behind your first paragraph. But not the second. She’s loud and obnoxious and not my cuppa at all. She’s the democratic version of Trump. And yet, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you start a thread to complain about Trump. Not even once. P.S. It would have been helpful if you’d posted the tweet in your OP. Doesn’t have to be the actual tweet, you could just provide the text of it so we’d know what you were talking about. But the actual text. Not a paraphrase. Thank you. I’m pretty sure that this is the first thread I’ve started about any politician. Anytime I have found something I felt worthy of posting about Trump it had already been shared. PS It helps if you actually know someone’s posting history before you bring out the snark. |
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 26, 2019 0:09:14 GMT
The actual Tweet: Yup. If you don’t like the #GreenNewDeal, then come up with your own ambitious, on-scale proposal to address the global climate crisis. Until then, we’re in charge - and you’re just shouting from the cheap seats. So, no actual "shut up, *I'm* the boss"? I’ll see if I can link where I saw that too. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 0:16:34 GMT
Yeah, this is how a toddler speaks - oh, wait, no. That's someone else I'm thinking of.
Keep in mind she's talking about buying 1 congress person. But as you know, you'd need to buy about 60 sens and 250 reps. 310 congress people at what? $12 million/sen and $2 million/rep? Total of $1.25 billion. Now say your industry stands to gain $10 billion if laws are written a certain way. So you spend $1.25 million buying the legislators and you reap $10 billion in benefit in new laws. Almost a 10% ROI.
Sweet!
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 26, 2019 0:16:43 GMT
I absolutely would use that term for a man if he was saying the same stupid crap. And you have got to be kidding me that you don’t hear people say Trump he overshoots his power - I’m on the same forum you are and I see plenty of that just here. Have you yourself said those things? I don’t think so. IMO, people who make excuses for and support trump don’t have much credibility when complaining about another politicians behavior. Ummmm - who says I’m a Trump supporter? And... your post exemplifies one of the biggest problems we have today. The partisan loyalties based on little to no logic and reason. If one agrees with anything from the opposing party all of their opinions are worthless?? What the heck? I mean, I’m not surprised, that’s how many of the posts on here go, but I would once again point out that there is plenty of room for people that choose to be moderate and middle of the road. It’s actually pretty smart to look for what’s reasonable in both sides of an argument. |
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Post by PLurker on Feb 26, 2019 0:18:19 GMT
I haven’t seen her tweet so I can’t answer yo that But the phrase ‘too big for his britches’ is a phrase from my grandparents generation and my grandmother always used it to refer to a man or a boy but either way a male. ‘Britches’ is another form of breeches which my grandparents used to refer to the pants men wore. So, yes, if I used that phrase I’d use it for a male as well. That is just my experience with that phrase. |
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Post by hop2 on Feb 26, 2019 0:29:33 GMT
I haven’t seen her tweet so I can’t answer yo that But the phrase ‘too big for his britches’ is a phrase from my grandparents generation and my grandmother always used it to refer to a man or a boy but either way a male. ‘Britches’ is another form of breeches which my grandparents used to refer to the pants men wore. So, yes, if I used that phrase I’d use it for a male as well. That is just my experience with that phrase. yea, she’s a bit snappy in that tweet but it’s nothing compared to you know who’s tweets. No wonder I didn’t notice it. Also the phrase ‘the cheap seats’ seems to be a thing recently for young people. My kids & thier peers use it quite a bit. However, right now with a Republican Senate and Trump in the White House you won’t get legislation like that passed. Her #newgreendeal will go nowhere with them no matter how much she tweets. She can either work on a compromise or wait 2 years & hope for a more agreeable set of people in the Senate & Oval Office. But she’ll need to be re elected then as well, so in the mean time, this is what she has to work with. Will she find a way to work towards legislation that can actually get passed or will she grandstand for 2 years and waste her time? |
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 26, 2019 0:35:06 GMT
yea, she’s a bit snappy in that tweet but it’s nothing compared to you know who’s tweets. No wonder I didn’t notice it. Also the phrase ‘the cheap seats’ seems to be a thing recently for young people. My kids & thier peers use it quite a bit. However, right now with a Republican Senate and Trump in the White House you won’t get legislation like that passed. Her #newgreendeal will go nowhere with them no matter how much she tweets. She can either work on a compromise or wait 2 years & hope for a more agreeable set of people in the Senate & Oval Office. But she’ll need to be re elected then as well, so in the mean time, this is what she has to work with. Will she find a way to work towards legislation that can actually get passed or will she grandstand for 2 years and waste her time? She’s going to have to listen to experts in science and economics, then modify her ideas before she gets anyone to give much support. It’s naïveté, ignorance and arrogance getting in her way. She also reminds me a bit of Schwarzenegger’s grand statements about California doing this and that for the environment, followed shortly by him promoting Hummer production. |
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Post by Just T on Feb 26, 2019 0:37:39 GMT
yea, she’s a bit snappy in that tweet but it’s nothing compared to you know who’s tweets. No wonder I didn’t notice it. Also the phrase ‘the cheap seats’ seems to be a thing recently for young people. My kids & thier peers use it quite a bit. However, right now with a Republican Senate and Trump in the White House you won’t get legislation like that passed. Her #newgreendeal will go nowhere with them no matter how much she tweets. She can either work on a compromise or wait 2 years & hope for a more agreeable set of people in the Senate & Oval Office. But she’ll need to be re elected then as well, so in the mean time, this is what she has to work with. Will she find a way to work towards legislation that can actually get passed or will she grandstand for 2 years and waste her time? then modify her ideas before she gets anyone to give much support. It’s naïveté, ignorance and arrogance getting in her way. She also reminds me a bit of Schwarzenegger’s grand statements about California doing this and that for the environment, followed shortly by him promoting Hummer production. You mean the way Trump listens to experts? In science, economics, border patrol, etc etc etc |
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Post by hop2 on Feb 26, 2019 0:44:36 GMT
She’s going to have to listen to experts in science and economics, then modify her ideas before she gets anyone to give much support. It’s naïveté, ignorance and arrogance getting in her way. She also reminds me a bit of Schwarzenegger’s grand statements about California doing this and that for the environment, followed shortly by him promoting Hummer production. You mean the way Trump listens to experts? In science, economics, border patrol, etc etc etc Well, ignoring the truth & science & facts aren’t good traits in a leader left or right. Kinda like the current Democratic Govetnorvif NJ. Sure he speaks nicer and does tweet crap all day but he is just as out of touch with reality as Trump is. It’s still a bad thing no matter which wing it comes from the left or the right |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 0:45:19 GMT
I'll give her this-she's on point with her lipstick game.
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Post by Just T on Feb 26, 2019 0:47:05 GMT
You mean the way Trump listens to experts? In science, economics, border patrol, etc etc etc Kinda like the current Democratic Govetnorvif NJ. Sure he speaks nicer and does tweet crap all day but he is just as out of touch with reality as Trump is. It’s still a bad thing no matter which wing it comes from the left or the right I agree. It's just so rich when people criticize some folks for their lack of not listening to science and reason but not others. |
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 26, 2019 0:48:06 GMT
You don’t have to like her or agree with her but I am sick and goddamn tired of people talking about her like she’s a child. JFC she’s a grown woman who was rightfully elected. Speak of her as such, not like your bratty neighbor child. Seriously?!?! After the way Trump was been ridiculed and called names for the last 2+years everyone in DC is fair game. He's the ridiculer and name caller in chief.  |
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 26, 2019 0:50:39 GMT
She’s going to have to listen to experts in science and economics, then modify her ideas before she gets anyone to give much support. It’s naïveté, ignorance and arrogance getting in her way. She also reminds me a bit of Schwarzenegger’s grand statements about California doing this and that for the environment, followed shortly by him promoting Hummer production. You mean the way Trump listens to experts? In science, economics, border patrol, etc etc etc  ? Sigh...again, this isn’t about Trump. I guess I need to flip this around so some can understand: if you think it is bad when Trump acts likes he isn’t accountable to anyone, when he lays out huge ideas with zero real plans to accomplish anything, when shows little class and when he ignores the advice of experts, you should think the same about this woman. |
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 26, 2019 0:52:27 GMT
Well, ignoring the truth & science & facts aren’t good traits in a leader left or right.Kinda like the current Democratic Govetnorvif NJ. Sure he speaks nicer and does tweet crap all day but he is just as out of touch with reality as Trump is. It’s still a bad thing no matter which wing it comes from the left or the right I agree. It's just so rich when people criticize some folks for their lack of not listening to science and reason but not others. Exactly my point. |
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Post by Just T on Feb 26, 2019 0:52:57 GMT
You mean the way Trump listens to experts? In science, economics, border patrol, etc etc etc ? Sigh...again, this isn’t about Trump. I guess I need to flip this around so some can understand: if you think it is bad when Trump acts likes he isn’t accountable to anyone, when he lays out huge ideas with zero real plans to accomplish anything, when shows little class and when he ignores the advice of experts, you should think the same about this woman. And I do! Like I said, I just find it interesting when someone criticizes things in some politicians that they accept in others. ETA: Where have you ever pointed out that Trump is "too big for his britches" because he doesn't listen to scientists, or anyone else? |
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Post by busy on Feb 26, 2019 0:53:06 GMT
You mean the way Trump listens to experts? In science, economics, border patrol, etc etc etc ? Sigh...again, this isn’t about Trump. I guess I need to flip this around so some can understand: if you think it is bad when Trump acts likes he isn’t accountable to anyone, when he lays out huge ideas with zero real plans to accomplish anything, when shows little class and when he ignores the advice of experts, you should think the same about this woman. Except there's a BIG difference between a single representative and the President of the United States. |
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Post by Just T on Feb 26, 2019 0:58:31 GMT
? Sigh...again, this isn’t about Trump. I guess I need to flip this around so some can understand: if you think it is bad when Trump acts likes he isn’t accountable to anyone, when he lays out huge ideas with zero real plans to accomplish anything, when shows little class and when he ignores the advice of experts, you should think the same about this woman.  I can not like the ideology of a young freshman senator with stars in her eyes and think that she is way off base. But I hold her to a different standard than I hold the POTUS. The POTUS should be a 1000 times better and more experienced than "freshman" senator who is learning her way. |
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 26, 2019 1:03:46 GMT
? Sigh...again, this isn’t about Trump. I guess I need to flip this around so some can understand: if you think it is bad when Trump acts likes he isn’t accountable to anyone, when he lays out huge ideas with zero real plans to accomplish anything, when shows little class and when he ignores the advice of experts, you should think the same about this woman. And I do! Like I said, I just find it interesting when someone criticizes things in some politicians that they accept in others. ETA: Where have you ever pointed out that Trump is "too big for his britches" because he doesn't listen to scientists, or anyone else? Oh my word. Do I have to prove my worthiness before any post is taken at face value? Because I haven’t jumped on the pea bandwagon of cursing every conservative idea or person? I’m not going to go through every like or post I’ve made on here. I don’t give too many shits whether or not I’ve balanced my comments because I’m sure I haven’t. This forum is so rabid in its hatred for republicans that anything negative that can be said is repeated ad nauseum. I’m not one to post agreements just agree when I know there will be plenty of others to carry the thread to ten pages. So I typically “like” a few points early on and browse the rest. I sure do hope that meets with your approval. |
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Post by peano on Feb 26, 2019 1:13:28 GMT
Meh. I look at it as the enthusiasm of a freshman congresswoman. I’ve totally written off the Republican Party but I think the injection of the enthusiasm and fresh ideas of some of the new Democrats will be great for the party; I think there will be an exciting synergy between their ideas and those of the more pragmatic members of the party. At least Democrats recognize the reality of climate change whereas Trump is now setting up a panel to contradict the findings of most scientists on earth. And furthermore, I find her to be a very gifted speaker—very lucid. And second of all, Republicans, particularly Republican men, seem to find her very threatening, based upon the seeming unending coverage of her in the media—for things like dancing in college.  I can get behind your first paragraph. But not the second. She’s loud and obnoxious and not my cuppa at all. She’s the democratic version of Trump. I would suggest you watch her interview this panel regarding campaign finance reform and then still tell me she's loud and obnoxious. linkWe need representatives who communicate well and are fighting to change current systems that don't benefit Americans. It seems you have bought into the Republican mind meld as it concerns AOC. Saying she is the Democratic version of Trump is like comparing apples to assholes. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 26, 2019 1:21:32 GMT
Have you yourself said those things? I don’t think so. IMO, people who make excuses for and support trump don’t have much credibility when complaining about another politicians behavior. Ummmm - who says I’m a Trump supporter? And... your post exemplifies one of the biggest problems we have today. The partisan loyalties based on little to no logic and reason. If one agrees with anything from the opposing party all of their opinions are worthless?? What the heck? I mean, I’m not surprised, that’s how many of the posts on here go, but I would once again point out that there is plenty of room for people that choose to be moderate and middle of the road. It’s actually pretty smart to look for what’s reasonable in both sides of an argument. The problem is when people will criticize someone from the opposing party for something minor while not saying anything about their own party/trump. I’m typically not a spreadsheet keeper, but I do think that you have posted things that indicate your political leanings, and they don’t include being critical of trump and being supportive of policies and opinions that he supports. If I’m wrong about that, I’m sorry. |
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Post by peano on Feb 26, 2019 1:23:55 GMT
Yeah, this is how a toddler speaks - oh, wait, no. That's someone else I'm thinking of. Keep in mind she's talking about buying 1 congress person. But as you know, you'd need to buy about 60 sens and 250 reps. 310 congress people at what? $12 million/sen and $2 million/rep? Total of $1.25 billion. Now say your industry stands to gain $10 billion if laws are written a certain way. So you spend $1.25 million buying the legislators and you reap $10 billion in benefit in new laws. Almost a 10% ROI. Sweet! Oops sorry Zingermack, I posted the same video because I didn't read the entire thread. Until I saw this video, I was of the mind that she should shut up and learn from her elders but I found this so compelling and lucid, it moderated my opinion. I think she is an extremely compelling communicator. I also think she has undeservedly been a Republican lightning rod. And I am willing to cut her some slack as she tests her boundaries and settles into her new job. |
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I can not like the ideology of a young freshman senator with stars in her eyes and think that she is way off base. But I hold her to a different standard than I hold the POTUS. The POTUS should be a 1000 times better and more experienced than "freshman" senator who is learning her way. 
