AnotherPea
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 26, 2019 1:30:12 GMT
Ummmm - who says I’m a Trump supporter? And... your post exemplifies one of the biggest problems we have today. The partisan loyalties based on little to no logic and reason. If one agrees with anything from the opposing party all of their opinions are worthless?? What the heck? I mean, I’m not surprised, that’s how many of the posts on here go, but I would once again point out that there is plenty of room for people that choose to be moderate and middle of the road. It’s actually pretty smart to look for what’s reasonable in both sides of an argument. The problem is when people will criticize someone from the opposing party for something minor while not saying anything about their own party/trump. I’m typically not a spreadsheet keeper, but I do think that you have posted things that indicate your political leanings, and they don’t include being critical of trump and being supportive of policies and opinions that he supports. If I’m wrong about that, I’m sorry. You are and I accept your apology. I consider myself a moderate but compared to many on here I am a bit right of center. Compared to my liberal friends I am more in the middle.
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 26, 2019 1:40:39 GMT
I ah ent seen her recent tweets or anything. I am actively avoiding details about politics at the moment.
I think she’s is far too harsh straight out the gate. I realize she has grand plans that she wants to achieve but the way she is going about it with the threwatening of her own party members if hey don’t hop on board her train is going to get her blacklisted in Washington and nobody will touch her or her ideas when that happens.
You catch more flies with honey, not salt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 1:45:42 GMT
I can get behind your first paragraph. But not the second. She’s loud and obnoxious and not my cuppa at all. She’s the democratic version of Trump. I would suggest you watch her interview this panel regarding campaign finance reform and then still tell me she's loud and obnoxious. linkWe need representatives who communicate well and are fighting to change current systems that don't benefit Americans. It seems you have bought into the Republican mind meld as it concerns AOC. Saying she is the Democratic version of Trump is like comparing apples to assholes. Nice.
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Post by trollie on Feb 26, 2019 2:07:27 GMT
Honestly, I read her tweet as, come up with some ideas or get out of the way. We can no longer kick the environmental can down the road.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 26, 2019 3:09:51 GMT
And yet, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you start a thread to complain about Trump. Not even once. P.S. It would have been helpful if you’d posted the tweet in your OP. Doesn’t have to be the actual tweet, you could just provide the text of it so we’d know what you were talking about. But the actual text. Not a paraphrase. Thank you. I’m pretty sure that this is the first thread I’ve started about any politician. Anytime I have found something I felt worthy of posting about Trump it had already been shared. PS It helps if you actually know someone’s posting history before you bring out the snark. Sorry but I am a bit familiar with your posting history. I’ve never seen you post anything anti-Trump. That’s okay, you don’t need to. But don’t be surprised when we foaming-at-the-mouth liberals (as some of you have been describing us lately) don’t sit up and say yeah, you’re right! when you attack this young woman. It’s clear you have blinders on when it comes to the toddler-in-chief, but I’m confused as to why someone so much less offensive and less powerful would bother you enough to start a thread. Whatever. You weren’t even responding directly to what I said in the first place. Just carry on.
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Post by luckyjune on Feb 26, 2019 3:22:47 GMT
Disagree with AOC's policies all you want.
But calling her loud? Obnoxious? Too big for her britches?
Please be careful. Little girls and young women are watching and learning what happens to women who dare speak their minds and unapologetically stand up for themselves. In a way, you are perpetuating the silencing women.
I'd much rather my daughter and future granddaughters be strong, fierce, and willing to stand up than not. They get enough messages from men; please do your part to make sure you don't contribute to that message.
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 26, 2019 3:51:50 GMT
Disagree with AOC's policies all you want. But calling her loud? Obnoxious? Too big for her britches? Please be careful. Little girls and young women are watching and learning what happens to women who dare speak their minds and unapologetically stand up for themselves. In a way, you are perpetuating the silencing women. I'd much rather my daughter and future granddaughters be strong, fierce, and willing to stand up than not. They get enough messages from men; please do your part to make sure you don't contribute to that message. Nope. Not going to give someone a pass just because she is a woman. When you’re teaching your granddaughters about taking on the world, make sure you tell them to be right, reasonable and receptive to constructive criticism so they can garner the support they need to make actual changes.
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Post by PLurker on Feb 26, 2019 4:01:19 GMT
Disagree with AOC's policies all you want. But calling her loud? Obnoxious? Too big for her britches? Please be careful. Little girls and young women are watching and learning what happens to women who dare speak their minds and unapologetically stand up for themselves. In a way, you are perpetuating the silencing women. I'd much rather my daughter and future granddaughters be strong, fierce, and willing to stand up than not. They get enough messages from men; please do your part to make sure you don't contribute to that message. Nope. Not going to give someone a pass just because she is a woman. When you’re teaching your granddaughters about taking on the world, make sure you tell them to be right, reasonable and receptive to constructive criticism so they can garner the support they need to make actual changes. because as the saying goes "well behaved women always make history". oh, wait. because talking politely and simply asking "please may we have the right to vote?" etc was all it took. She is new and communicates differently than we are used to, using all that social media and all. But that's okay-so does the whole young world coming up behind us and they understand better the new shorthand. When it comes down to verbal communication it seems, as that video shows, she can also hold her own the old fashioned way, and well.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 26, 2019 4:27:43 GMT
The actual Tweet: Yup. If you don’t like the #GreenNewDeal, then come up with your own ambitious, on-scale proposal to address the global climate crisis. Until then, we’re in charge - and you’re just shouting from the cheap seats. That's the tweet in question? Then I'm on the side of AOC. She startled me at first (when I first heard of her - not now), but I have sat down and listened to some of her speeches and I, too, find her eloquent and clear. She does not obfuscate at all and I find obfuscation one of the biggest problems in both parties. AnotherPea I don't see how that tweet shows that she thinks highly of herself at all. I also don't see how this tweet is childish. I honestly find that comment rather stupefying coming from anyone who has ever listened to one tweet that Trump has written. I totally agree. Gezus. What a terrible misrepresentation of what AOC actually tweeted VS THE OP’s paraphrasing. Not the same at all. 😣😣😣😣😣
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 26, 2019 4:31:49 GMT
When you’re teaching your granddaughters about taking on the world, make sure you tell them to be right, reasonable and receptive to constructive criticism so they can garner the support they need to make actual changes. I would be FAR more agreeable to this in regards to women if we held the MEN in Congress- or maybe, I don't know- the White House, even? to this standard as well. But since we DON'T (See any number of videos of Lindsay Graham, any tweet or video of DT, and SOOOO many other examples of men behaving like asses, for proof...) then AOC can say any damn thing she pleases, in my opinion. Especially since the stakes are so high when it comes to climate change. One of the NPR news stories I heard this morning had to do with the military spending $47 million on a sea wall in the ARCTIC to protect a runway at a radar station -- because the ocean is rising far faster than they anticipated... they didn't think they would see this level erosion due to climate change until the year 2040. There is no time for 'being nice' any longer; it's probably too late already. NPR story on climate change Arctic radar stationsAnd perhaps she wasn't eloquent about it, but the comment about 'maybe people should think about whether they should have children or not' is a legitimate one. I can't remember what news story I heard it in, but the story said that in terms of reducing your carbon footprint, one of the MOST effective ways fora person to do it is to decide not to have children.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 26, 2019 4:38:23 GMT
She is a bit of a bull in the china shop. this phrase brought to mind Donald Trump, honestly. if he got to 'learn' his way into office (and I don't think he's done it yet, personally) then why don't other incoming government officials get a grace period or a 'learning' period? Not a question for you specifically, Merge, just a general, more rhetorical question. And yeah, how often would we hear 'thinks rather highly of herself' being reversed to read 'he thinks rather highly of HIMSELF' ?? not very often. [/b] I hear it often when dealing with males. Actually probably more than in reference to a female
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 26, 2019 5:02:14 GMT
I don't have an issue with the tweet at all. How many of us have said or thought if you think you can do it better, then show me. I don't think the OP's paraphrasing was even close to what AOC actually wrote. I mean, if that's the worst thing this lady is doing...
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Post by Merge on Feb 26, 2019 11:39:06 GMT
Disagree with AOC's policies all you want. But calling her loud? Obnoxious? Too big for her britches? Please be careful. Little girls and young women are watching and learning what happens to women who dare speak their minds and unapologetically stand up for themselves. In a way, you are perpetuating the silencing women. I'd much rather my daughter and future granddaughters be strong, fierce, and willing to stand up than not. They get enough messages from men; please do your part to make sure you don't contribute to that message. Nope. Not going to give someone a pass just because she is a woman. When you’re teaching your granddaughters about taking on the world, make sure you tell them to be right, reasonable and receptive to constructive criticism so they can garner the support they need to make actual changes. Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein are all of those things, and yet people on your side of the aisle eviscerate them on a daily basis. The truth is that there is no "right" way for a woman to be in power. No matter what she does, she's doing it wrong. Meanwhile we've got Mitch McConnell bringing votes in bad faith and refusing to actually do the work and will of the people. Infrastructure? Nope. Health care? Nope. We're just bringing pointless votes on abortion so he and DT can keep up the rhetoric about Democrats and infanticide. Maybe we as a country should be looking more at what our representatives are actually saying and doing, and less at how they're saying and doing it. Mitch McConnell isn't a better representative because he appears reasonable and calm. John Cornyn quotes Mussolini as the antidote to AOC, but doesn't make videos of himself cooking, so he's "right and reasonable." Witty, mild-mannered Ben Sasse of Nebraska stirs up concern about a "crisis" at the border - which he has likely never visited, and in direct contradiction of all data and evidence on the matter. My Republican governor actively fights to destroy public education in our state, but he does it with a charming smile and genteel southern demeanor, so it's all good, right? AOC is not wrong on climate change. Whether you like the way she says things or not, the basis of her message is that we have to do something now, and she's right. Her tweet - which you paraphrased in bad faith - openly invites dialogue with others, which seems to me to be "willing to listen to criticism." (Actual, constructive criticism, not just the insults of people who think that because the weather is cold right now, climate change must be a hoax.) The message she's bringing is far more beneficial to the country and everyone in it than the message the "reasonable" Republican men are currently bringing.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 26, 2019 11:48:07 GMT
Have you yourself said those things? I don’t think so. IMO, people who make excuses for and support trump don’t have much credibility when complaining about another politicians behavior. Ummmm - who says I’m a Trump supporter? And... your post exemplifies one of the biggest problems we have today. The partisan loyalties based on little to no logic and reason. If one agrees with anything from the opposing party all of their opinions are worthless?? What the heck? I mean, I’m not surprised, that’s how many of the posts on here go, but I would once again point out that there is plenty of room for people that choose to be moderate and middle of the road. It’s actually pretty smart to look for what’s reasonable in both sides of an argument. I believe one the the biggest problems we have today is taking what someone actually said and twisting it into something totally different. AOC didn’t say what you stated, nor what she did say taken in context, compared to what you wrote.
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 26, 2019 11:50:26 GMT
My side? I have no side.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 26, 2019 11:52:04 GMT
Except there's a BIG difference between a single representative and the President of the United States. ![:yeahthat:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/yrGoHMAelQz8f2Qt0sjb.jpg) I can not like the ideology of a young freshman senator with stars in her eyes and think that she is way off base. But I hold her to a different standard than I hold the POTUS. The POTUS should be a 1000 times better and more experienced than "freshman" senator who is learning her way. This is also what AOC—step by step in very simple terms laid out for the people a few weeks ago—that congresspeople are held to much higher standards than the POTUS. Video was awesome.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 26, 2019 11:58:11 GMT
And I do! Like I said, I just find it interesting when someone criticizes things in some politicians that they accept in others. ETA: Where have you ever pointed out that Trump is "too big for his britches" because he doesn't listen to scientists, or anyone else? Oh my word. Do I have to prove my worthiness before any post is taken at face value? Because I haven’t jumped on the pea bandwagon of cursing every conservative idea or person? I’m not going to go through every like or post I’ve made on here. I don’t give too many shits whether or not I’ve balanced my comments because I’m sure I haven’t. This forum is so rabid in its hatred for republicans that anything negative that can be said is repeated ad nauseum. I’m not one to post agreements just agree when I know there will be plenty of others to carry the thread to ten pages. So I typically “like” a few points early on and browse the rest. I sure do hope that meets with your approval. Says the pea who at least 3 times in this thread alone has criticized, made fun of, was sanctimonious towards, and insulted the logic and thinking of Democratic/liberal peas, who also posted a completely untrue version of a statement by a Democratic congresspersons. You certainly got all the conservative rhetoric, phrases and outrage points out though. This forum is no more “rabid” towards conservatives than it is conservatives rabid towards Democrats. Believe me —your sanctimonious attitude towards the more liberal people does not go unnoticed.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 26, 2019 12:02:30 GMT
Disagree with AOC's policies all you want. But calling her loud? Obnoxious? Too big for her britches? Please be careful. Little girls and young women are watching and learning what happens to women who dare speak their minds and unapologetically stand up for themselves. In a way, you are perpetuating the silencing women. I'd much rather my daughter and future granddaughters be strong, fierce, and willing to stand up than not. They get enough messages from men; please do your part to make sure you don't contribute to that message. Nope. Not going to give someone a pass just because she is a woman. When you’re teaching your granddaughters about taking on the world, make sure you tell them to be right, reasonable and receptive to constructive criticism so they can garner the support they need to make actual changes. Sounds like YOU need to heed your own advice. You were not right/correct in what you “accused”/took umbrage if with AOC, you certainly haven’t been reasonable by any measure, instead of taking criticism from peas, you lashed out and insulted them, and when other peas have made suggestions—you doubled down on your agenda. Pot meet kettle.
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Post by Merge on Feb 26, 2019 12:02:49 GMT
You've taken one here. Don't be disingenuous.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 26, 2019 12:04:02 GMT
It’s crystal clear. If you are believing you have “no side” then maybe step back and take a better look.
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Post by pyccku on Feb 26, 2019 12:37:57 GMT
Men who act like AOC: "He's just going after what he wants. He is passionate about his cause. He is a real go-getter. He's a self-starter. He knows what needs to be done and goes after it. He gets things done. He tells it like it is."
Women who act like AOC: "She's full of herself. She's too big for her britches. She better watch out or she'll get what's coming to her. Who does she think she is? She just got her job because she knows someone - if you know what I'm saying. She's shrill. She's a harpy. She should try being nicer. She's a bitch."
Black people who act like AOC: "He/She is uppity."
I may not agree with everything AOC says or does, but I'd rather have her "telling it like it is" than what the current crop of old dudes is doing.
She hasn't paid off any porn stars. She hasn't taken kickbacks or bribes. She hasn't pushed legislation because her corporate donors have asked her to. There isn't a question of whether or not she just might have worked with a foreign government to get elected. She hasn't been accused of looking the other way when molestation was happening under her watch. She isn't suspected of having sex with people under the age of consent. She's not involved in any sort of election fraud where she pays someone to pick up absentee ballots and fill them out with votes. She hasn't been charged with lying to congress, or the FBI, or for not registering as a foreign agent. She doesn't have questionable loans. She hasn't had any money laundering scandals come to light. She hasn't praised dictators of other regimes. She hasn't hired any illegal immigrants while telling everyone else how bad and scary illegal immigrants are. She hasn't installed a soundproof booth or cost the taxpayers $900K in unnecessary security costs. She hasn't made 159 golfing trips at a cost of approximately $89 million to taxpayers (so far). She hasn't flown all the way across the world only to walk out on the meetings and events. She hasn't tweeted attacks on people dying of cancer. She hasn't tweeted attacks on private citizens. She hasn't called for her political opponents to be locked up for no real reason.
I could keep listing things that she hasn't done that would be much worse than the things you find so offensive about her, but I fear that it might run up the bandwidth too much and there simply aren't enough hours in the day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 13:07:14 GMT
Men who act like AOC: "He's just going after what he wants. He is passionate about his cause. He is a real go-getter. He's a self-starter. He knows what needs to be done and goes after it. He gets things done. He tells it like it is." Women who act like AOC: "She's full of herself. She's too big for her britches. She better watch out or she'll get what's coming to her. Who does she think she is? She just got her job because she knows someone - if you know what I'm saying. She's shrill. She's a harpy. She should try being nicer. She's a bitch." Black people who act like AOC: "He/She is uppity." I may not agree with everything AOC says or does, but I'd rather have her "telling it like it is" than what the current crop of old dudes is doing. She hasn't paid off any porn stars. She hasn't taken kickbacks or bribes. She hasn't pushed legislation because her corporate donors have asked her to. There isn't a question of whether or not she just might have worked with a foreign government to get elected. She hasn't been accused of looking the other way when molestation was happening under her watch. She isn't suspected of having sex with people under the age of consent. She's not involved in any sort of election fraud where she pays someone to pick up absentee ballots and fill them out with votes. She hasn't been charged with lying to congress, or the FBI, or for not registering as a foreign agent. She doesn't have questionable loans. She hasn't had any money laundering scandals come to light. She hasn't praised dictators of other regimes. She hasn't hired any illegal immigrants while telling everyone else how bad and scary illegal immigrants are. She hasn't installed a soundproof booth or cost the taxpayers $900K in unnecessary security costs. She hasn't made 159 golfing trips at a cost of approximately $89 million to taxpayers (so far). She hasn't flown all the way across the world only to walk out on the meetings and events. She hasn't tweeted attacks on people dying of cancer. She hasn't tweeted attacks on private citizens. She hasn't called for her political opponents to be locked up for no real reason. I could keep listing things that she hasn't done that would be much worse than the things you find so offensive about her, but I fear that it might run up the bandwidth too much and there simply aren't enough hours in the day. OMG - what a F#$8ing beautiful list. Thank you for taking the time to write it out.
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 26, 2019 13:28:35 GMT
You could disagree with her positions without using sexist, infantilizing and personal insults. There is some constructive criticism. I hope you are receptive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 14:35:27 GMT
That's the tweet in question? Then I'm on the side of AOC. She startled me at first (when I first heard of her - not now), but I have sat down and listened to some of her speeches and I, too, find her eloquent and clear. She does not obfuscate at all and I find obfuscation one of the biggest problems in both parties. AnotherPea I don't see how that tweet shows that she thinks highly of herself at all. I also don't see how this tweet is childish. I honestly find that comment rather stupefying coming from anyone who has ever listened to one tweet that Trump has written. I totally agree. Gezus. What a terrible misrepresentation of what AOC actually tweeted VS THE OP’s paraphrasing. Not the same at all. 😣😣😣😣😣 Maybe the OP got the tweet confused with one of her interviews where she said: "Like I just introduced the Green New Deal two weeks ago, and it's creating all of this conversation. Why? Because no one else has even tried. Because no one else has even tried," she told moderator Reshma Saujani, founder and CEO of Girls Who Code. "So people are like, 'Oh it's unrealistic. Oh it's vague. Oh it doesn't address this little minute thing,'" she added. "And I'm like, 'You try. You do it. Cuz you're not. Cuz you're not. So, until you do it, I'm the boss.' How about that?'" And for what it's worth, I'm assuming after the recent dust-up the two of them, Sen Feinstein might agree with the OP. I'm all for proposing new ideas and jump-starting a meaningful conversation, but I'm wondering if AOC has ever considered that her plan has never been tried because it's not rooted in reality?
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Post by Merge on Feb 26, 2019 15:07:24 GMT
I totally agree. Gezus. What a terrible misrepresentation of what AOC actually tweeted VS THE OP’s paraphrasing. Not the same at all. 😣😣😣😣😣 Maybe the OP got the tweet confused with one of her interviews where she said: "Like I just introduced the Green New Deal two weeks ago, and it's creating all of this conversation. Why? Because no one else has even tried. Because no one else has even tried," she told moderator Reshma Saujani, founder and CEO of Girls Who Code. "So people are like, 'Oh it's unrealistic. Oh it's vague. Oh it doesn't address this little minute thing,'" she added. "And I'm like, 'You try. You do it. Cuz you're not. Cuz you're not. So, until you do it, I'm the boss.' How about that?'" And for what it's worth, I'm assuming after the recent dust-up the two of them, Sen Feinstein might agree with the OP. I'm all for proposing new ideas and jump-starting a meaningful conversation, but I'm wondering if AOC has ever considered that her plan has never been tried because it's not rooted in reality? Funny thing about that "dust-up:" it's only being reported as such in conservative media. I guarantee you Feinstein has paid zero attention to what AOC has to say about her, and is far too politically savvy to get into a public argument with a freshman representative. What's also funny to me is that, after years of complaining about DiFi, suddenly Fox News is her biggest fan! They're even calling her a moderate. www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-need-more-difi-less-aoc.ampWhether AOC's plan is realistic or not, my perception is that its detractors spend way more time belittling and demeaning AOC for her delivery than in actually offering better ideas or constructive criticism. If you have better ideas, bring them. Be the adult or stop criticizing her for not being adult enough.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 26, 2019 15:43:07 GMT
Men who act like AOC: "He's just going after what he wants. He is passionate about his cause. He is a real go-getter. He's a self-starter. He knows what needs to be done and goes after it. He gets things done. He tells it like it is." Women who act like AOC: "She's full of herself. She's too big for her britches. She better watch out or she'll get what's coming to her. Who does she think she is? She just got her job because she knows someone - if you know what I'm saying. She's shrill. She's a harpy. She should try being nicer. She's a bitch." Black people who act like AOC: "He/She is uppity." I may not agree with everything AOC says or does, but I'd rather have her "telling it like it is" than what the current crop of old dudes is doing. She hasn't paid off any porn stars. She hasn't taken kickbacks or bribes. She hasn't pushed legislation because her corporate donors have asked her to. There isn't a question of whether or not she just might have worked with a foreign government to get elected. She hasn't been accused of looking the other way when molestation was happening under her watch. She isn't suspected of having sex with people under the age of consent. She's not involved in any sort of election fraud where she pays someone to pick up absentee ballots and fill them out with votes. She hasn't been charged with lying to congress, or the FBI, or for not registering as a foreign agent. She doesn't have questionable loans. She hasn't had any money laundering scandals come to light. She hasn't praised dictators of other regimes. She hasn't hired any illegal immigrants while telling everyone else how bad and scary illegal immigrants are. She hasn't installed a soundproof booth or cost the taxpayers $900K in unnecessary security costs. She hasn't made 159 golfing trips at a cost of approximately $89 million to taxpayers (so far). She hasn't flown all the way across the world only to walk out on the meetings and events. She hasn't tweeted attacks on people dying of cancer. She hasn't tweeted attacks on private citizens. She hasn't called for her political opponents to be locked up for no real reason. I could keep listing things that she hasn't done that would be much worse than the things you find so offensive about her, but I fear that it might run up the bandwidth too much and there simply aren't enough hours in the day. Beautiful xx
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Post by artgirl1 on Feb 26, 2019 15:49:15 GMT
Why is AOC too big for her britches when she was elected to Congress at 29, and yet Paul Ryan when he was elected at 28 was declared a 'wonder boy'? Why the double standards?
She has some good ideas, that need to be fine tuned, but change isn't accomplished by silence. She will learn, and evolve, and hopefully we can all keep an open mind. She is addressing issues that concern her generation. Everyone in Congress has their own pet projects, but the ones she is espousing affect all Americans, and not just their personal pockets. She is the new kid and the novelty on the block and getting the media attention and the republican attention where all her actions are being scrutinized.
I believe that she is not just out for personal profit in her role in Congress. After all, maybe we should be examining how Paul Ryan went from being an Oscar Meyer salesman to Congressman and accruing 7 million in personal net worth in 20 years on his salary as a Congressman.
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Post by quiltedbrain on Feb 26, 2019 16:03:59 GMT
Nope. Not going to give someone a pass just because she is a woman. When you’re teaching your granddaughters about taking on the world, make sure you tell them to be right, reasonable and receptive to constructive criticism so they can garner the support they need to make actual changes. You are a piece of work. It's fun being labeled with a negative cliche just because I disagree with you, isn't it? I'm just doing to you what you did to AOC in your OP. Can't get mad about that and still be considered reasonable and receptive to constructive criticism. Funny how people who complain that all politicians are corrupt, voted for Trump to "shake things up," or who wanted an outsider can't stand it when they see the exact thing they want in the package of a young woman of color. 3 strikes, you're out! AOC is a litmus test of sorts. If you call her demeaning names, think she's too loud or brash, think she is not a well thought out thinker or speaker, think that her ideas are rooted in fantasy...You've just shown me that either you drink the Fox News kool-aid or you haven't actually bothered to educate yourself about her or her positions (or what Democratic Socialism actually is). Don't get me wrong...have all the non-sexist, non-insulting debate you want about the Green New Deal or any other of AOC's positions. But don't take those short-cuts I listed above, especially on a board that supposedly consists of mostly women.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 16:20:51 GMT
Maybe the OP got the tweet confused with one of her interviews where she said: "Like I just introduced the Green New Deal two weeks ago, and it's creating all of this conversation. Why? Because no one else has even tried. Because no one else has even tried," she told moderator Reshma Saujani, founder and CEO of Girls Who Code. "So people are like, 'Oh it's unrealistic. Oh it's vague. Oh it doesn't address this little minute thing,'" she added. "And I'm like, 'You try. You do it. Cuz you're not. Cuz you're not. So, until you do it, I'm the boss.' How about that?'" And for what it's worth, I'm assuming after the recent dust-up the two of them, Sen Feinstein might agree with the OP. I'm all for proposing new ideas and jump-starting a meaningful conversation, but I'm wondering if AOC has ever considered that her plan has never been tried because it's not rooted in reality? Funny thing about that "dust-up:" it's only being reported as such in conservative media. I guarantee you Feinstein has paid zero attention to what AOC has to say about her, and is far too politically savvy to get into a public argument with a freshman representative. What's also funny to me is that, after years of complaining about DiFi, suddenly Fox News is her biggest fan! They're even calling her a moderate. www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-need-more-difi-less-aoc.ampWhether AOC's plan is realistic or not, my perception is that its detractors spend way more time belittling and demeaning AOC for her delivery than in actually offering better ideas or constructive criticism. If you have better ideas, bring them. Be the adult or stop criticizing her for not being adult enough. If looking at issues with practicality rather than fantasy makes one a moderate, then I guess Sen Feinstein can legitimately be labeled a moderate. DiFi is politically savvy and it will be interesting to see the two of them hash it out. The video of the confrontation in her office contained a subtle swipe at AOC and AOC was not subtle at all in her rebuttal. I've seen an article about the office meeting in Vanity Fair, not on most conservative's reading lists. I think it's fair game to discuss and criticize her Green New Deal proposal. If she can't take the criticism, maybe she's not being the adult.
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Post by lindas on Feb 26, 2019 16:50:02 GMT
Why is AOC too big for her britches when she was elected to Congress at 29, and yet Paul Ryan when he was elected at 28 was declared a 'wonder boy'? Why the double standards? She has some good ideas, that need to be fine tuned, but change isn't accomplished by silence. She will learn, and evolve, and hopefully we can all keep an open mind. She is addressing issues that concern her generation. Everyone in Congress has their own pet projects, but the ones she is espousing affect all Americans, and not just their personal pockets. She is the new kid and the novelty on the block and getting the media attention and the republican attention where all her actions are being scrutinized. S I believe that she is not just out for personal profit in her role in Congress. After all, maybe we should be examining how Paul Ryan went from being an Oscar Meyer salesman to Congressman and accruing 7 million in personal net worth in 20 years on his salary as a Congressman. Why single out Paul Ryan when everyone in congress has been profiting for years. It's amazing how someone gets elected with very little and leaves with a fortune. As for her not profiting off her role, you need to check again. Netflix is paying $10 million for her life story, a hell of a lot of money for someone that's only 29 and been in congress 2 months.
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