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Post by Basket1lady on Mar 10, 2019 2:41:00 GMT
I think I was maybe a little too young to get married. I didn't even ask what either mother was wearing. My mom wore a bright royal dress and my MIL wore a dusty rose dress. The colors were red and black. I loved my mom's dress and sadly she was buried in it 18 months later. I can relate. Other than sort of discussing dresses with the moms, we weren’t worried about how things would look in photos. I’m all about nicely composed photos, and I would choose dresses based on it today, but it would be nice to go back to an easier time! And {hugs}. I can relate on the mom/dress burial. My mom died a month before my wedding. She was buried in her MOB dress. She was so excited to find a dress she loved in Tiffany blue and had it altered to a T. It really was beautiful.
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Post by Bobomommy on Mar 10, 2019 2:56:42 GMT
I’ll agree with all who said to wear what makes you happy. Get the bride’s approval of the dress and enjoy the day.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 10, 2019 3:23:16 GMT
I'm sure my MIL felt the way you do when we planned out very small wedding with a large picnic style reception a month later a few decades ago. Your son and his fiance are having the wedding they want to have. They picked a church that will only hold 50 because they want a small, intimate wedding. They are happy with a morning service followed by a brunch. Your DDs are really the only ones impacted because I'm sure they planned to spend the whole day getting ready for the other wedding. Buy and wear the dress you want to wear. The photos that you want to display are going to be of your family with the bride & groom and or just the bride & groom. The best man is impacted as well. His sister is the other young lady getting married and when he agreed to be their best man, it wasn’t on a date that robbed him of fully enjoying his sisters wedding, if he even gets to go at all.What the heck? The first wedding is in the morning and the second in the afternoon/evening. No one is talking about not being able to do both. IME, the guys don't spend a lot of time doing hair and make-up and getting dressed together on the day of the wedding which is why I didn't include him in my first post.
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Post by ntsf on Mar 10, 2019 3:44:06 GMT
how did I survive my daughter's two weddings? I bought a print dress that was comfortable. I live across the globe from the other family so no coordination. other mom wore nice pants/top in totally different colors. I think the guys wore button shirts.. brides in white wedding dresses.. attendants wearing some shade of dark blue. they came from all over the world.. so no coordination. we had a fine time, though my child drove me nuts at times. (like sending us to pick up cake in a strange city, foreign country with no street address)... but all came off and everyone was happy.. that is the important thing. not who is there, not what you wear.. but whether the bride and groom have the day they want/can afford..
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Post by tduby1 on Mar 10, 2019 10:32:26 GMT
The best man is impacted as well. His sister is the other young lady getting married and when he agreed to be their best man, it wasn’t on a date that robbed him of fully enjoying his sisters wedding, if he even gets to go at all.What the heck? The first wedding is in the morning and the second in the afternoon/evening. No one is talking about not being able to do both. IME, the guys don't spend a lot of time doing hair and make-up and getting dressed together on the day of the wedding which is why I didn't include him in my first post. Every wedding my husband has been has been just as much of an all day event as the ones I’ve been in. I couldn’t imagine trying to squeeze two weddings that I have some sort of major involvement in (And even if I’m not in a siblings wedding I would still feel a major involvement) into one day. Weddings aren’t rush to and from events like open houses, imo. I asked my husband and he said it would impact his ability to enjoy his sister’s weddings too, so I don’t feel too off base.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 11:17:50 GMT
God, weddings are stupid. That's all.
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Post by joelise on Mar 10, 2019 11:38:42 GMT
I think the size and style of the wedding is totally up to the bride and groom. What anyone wears wouldn’t matter to me. In my experience the mothers of the bride and groom pick what they want to wear. However choosing a day that has already been chosen for another close wedding is ridiculous!
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Post by anaterra on Mar 10, 2019 12:30:35 GMT
I was MOG trying to be helpful... trying to be involved... pointing out cost and lists n invites... wanting to go dress shopping...
Son calls me one day and says.. hey just so you know... we got married at the JP office last tues...
I was shocked hurt upset.. I cried.. why didn't yall tell me... I wouldve taken off work.. had a lunch thing done.. he says the decided to just skip the wedding stuff and just get it done...
It's fine now and they've been married for 4 years.. but I was upset...
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Mar 10, 2019 14:02:44 GMT
Everyone's all hung up on a silly dress, when the real issue is that most of the wedding party and the groom's parents are going to have to attend two different weddings on the same day. I think having these events on the same day is really unfortunate. It's a shame they scheduled on the same day that someone else previously selected. Wonder why they don't just wait until July to have the wedding at the same time as the reception -- I would assume all her family is coming for that? I was MOG last fall and will be again this fall. I do like having the mothers' dress selections reflect the overall tone and theme of the wedding. I waited for the MOB to choose first last fall and will probably do the same again this year. It seems thoughtful and a small enough gesture of cooperation. Actually the MOB picked hers and sent a photo. Then I picked mine and sent her a photo. And then she changed and bought one very similar to mine. And it was fine. We both looked great and nobody cared.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 10, 2019 15:11:02 GMT
Still hoping my kid and his gf decide to do a beach wedding in the Caribbean. The resort will do the work for you. I really think many weddings are just too much planning and stressing.
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Post by summer on Mar 10, 2019 16:29:09 GMT
It’s their wedding, let them plan it. Don’t stress out about their lack of plannning. You just show up and enjoy the day. Wear what you want, don’t feel that you have to dress down because the brides family is. It sounds like a nightmare having 2 weddings in the same day.
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Post by christinec68 on Mar 10, 2019 18:05:49 GMT
I think it was pretty shitty to move the wedding to a day most of your family and the best man already had another wedding to attend. The rest of it is more their wedding, their choice.
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Post by julie5 on Mar 10, 2019 18:11:53 GMT
Their day, their decisions. Show up and celebrate. Let the other things go. That. Don’t invest too much of your emotions in her lack of planning. That’ll fall on her. As for your daughters who are in another wedding that day, if I were one of them I would seriously consider missing as they’ve already committed to another bride who clearly had her shit together enough for them to plan.
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Post by Baseballmom23 on Mar 11, 2019 0:46:03 GMT
Some day, maybe a year or two, I will be MOG. I didn't know that the MOG waited until the MOB picked her dress/color. I learned so much from this thread. I just hope my son's GF will allow me to be a part of the wedding dress shopping (I have two sons). I didn't know that either. I am pretty sure my son's gf would ask me to be there. She thinks I am funny and always in a good mood. . I tell her I am just glad to be hanging out with a female now and then. I think my son's GF would invite me too. We get along very well - we go to lunch, shopping & enjoy sipping wine by the pool. However, I don't want to assume that I will be a part of it.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 11, 2019 1:15:19 GMT
I didn't know that either. I am pretty sure my son's gf would ask me to be there. She thinks I am funny and always in a good mood. . I tell her I am just glad to be hanging out with a female now and then. I think my son's GF would invite me too. We get along very well - we go to lunch, shopping & enjoy sipping wine by the pool. However, I don't want to assume that I will be a part of it. I agree, assuming isn't a good idea, but she's been a great part of family for nine years and I get along well with her mom, so I would be surprised if she didn't invite me. She's also a really thoughtful young lady and much more mature than I was at that age.
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Post by cycworker on Mar 11, 2019 5:34:21 GMT
I would have put my foot down with my son. No. You can’t get married on that day because your family already has a wedding to attend/stand up in on that day. Her family was already planning on coming in May - for her graduation - and now she’s not going to walk. So, Now they are coming for her wedding? I’m sure they could have figured out a way to come to her wedding at a later date. As far as a reception in July - sorry, you can’t invited people to a reception months later if they weren’t invited to the wedding. That’s just asking for gifts. I agree with this, although I'm fine with the July party idea. For all the jokes, Emily Gilmore was right about a lot of things. Well, maybe not A LOT of things... but she'd totally side with you, pridemom, and she would be right to do so. You don't steal someone's wedding date when people in your family are part of the wedding party, the people getting married are basically family, and they chose their date first. I feel strongly enough about it that I'd say to them, "While I'm sorry it's taken me so long to speak up, speak up I must. The date you've chosen for your wedding is inconsiderate & unacceptable. You cannot disrespect The _______ Family in this way. Let's work together to find an acceptable date." As to the MOB & GOB and their attire choice? Upstage away. Etiquette clearly isn't important to them.
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Post by prettyprettypaper on Mar 11, 2019 8:46:50 GMT
Everyone's all hung up on a silly dress, when the real issue is that most of the wedding party and the groom's parents are going to have to attend two different weddings on the same day. How inconvenient, and frankly, rude of the bride to chose a date that inconveniences so many people. I agree. You do what you gotta do, but this choice is certainly a red flag about the personality and decision making of the couple in the future. Also, I don’t care if mog/mob is dressed nicer by a bit; I don’t think that matters much in 2019; however, as someone who has photographed about 25 weddings, I think at least a simple discussion about coordination: - leads to nicer photos
- Demonstrates basic respect for each other
- Makes things less awkward so one isn’t dressed in a complete different way. The dress should reflect the style and dress of the wedding.
My stepdaughter got married a few months ago and there was no such discussion. Everyone wore what they wanted, and no one seemed bothered by it at all. My stepdaughter's partner was the main contact for any details, and I loved her response regarding my youngest being a flower girl. I asked if she had a preference in the style of white shoes she was to wear with her dress and if it was okay for her to change into another dress at the reception since the straps on her flower girl dress made her itch. She said, "She can do what she wants. I JUST WANT HER TO BE COMFORTABLE."
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 11, 2019 12:47:43 GMT
I cannot get on board with the thinking that coordination of outfits is a matter of "basic respect." A wedding is about two people starting a family together. It's not about the venue or the clothes or the pictures. People feel awkward when others judge people regarding their clothing at an event. 9 out of 10 complaints in a wedding thread are about petty things that have nothing to do with the reason for a wedding.
I do agree changing the date to conflict with another wedding was inconsiderate. In that case, you let them know as soon as you're given the new date that it's going to be a problem. If they choose to continue, they cannot be surprised if their guests have to pick one or the other and it will probably be the other if plans have been made. Don't hem and haw and complain behind their backs, tell them why it's a problem and then move on.
Finally, this is not "her" wedding. He is an equal partner and deserves equal responsibility for the date change.
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Post by tentoes on Mar 11, 2019 13:24:44 GMT
I hope the day is wonderful for all of you, but especially for the bride and groom. Weddings can be so stressful, even with LOTS of planning!!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 11, 2019 13:36:08 GMT
Everyone's all hung up on a silly dress, when the real issue is that most of the wedding party and the groom's parents are going to have to attend two different weddings on the same day. I think having these events on the same day is really unfortunate. It's a shame they scheduled on the same day that someone else previously selected. Wonder why they don't just wait until July to have the wedding at the same time as the reception -- I would assume all her family is coming for that? I was MOG last fall and will be again this fall. I do like having the mothers' dress selections reflect the overall tone and theme of the wedding. I waited for the MOB to choose first last fall and will probably do the same again this year. It seems thoughtful and a small enough gesture of cooperation. Actually the MOB picked hers and sent a photo. Then I picked mine and sent her a photo. And then she changed and bought one very similar to mine. And it was fine. We both looked great and nobody cared. I agree it's unfortunate, but the OP says they moved the date from July specifically because the stepdad couldn't come in July. Clearly it was more important for the couple to have the stepfather there than to inconvenience the other guests by having go attend two weddings on one day.
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Post by ladyinpink1969 on Mar 11, 2019 15:28:05 GMT
My husband and I were supposed to get married in July 1993. In February, DH (at the time DF) was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s Lymphoma. We decided to delay our wedding until May of 94 because thankfully we knew DF would be ok because Hodgkin’s is very treatable. In the meantime, my cousin who I’m not that close with got engaged and wanted to get married quickly. She picked our date in July. But out of respect for me and my DF she called and asked me if I would mind if they in her words “used our date”. I don’t remember the reasons, but she explained why there really wasn’t another day that worked for them. She said we were certainly invited, but she would understand if we or my DF couldn’t make it. I was planning on going with my parents, but DF wasn’t going to go because we knew the day before was a day he received his chemo treatment. As I was getting ready, I broke down and realized I just couldn’t go. My parents went and let my cousin know I sent my love, but that I just couldn’t do it. Obviously, she, her DH and the rest of our family completely understood. In September 93, DF was finished with treatment and feeling healthy, so we moved our date again to December 93. We have been happily married for 25 years and more importantly, DH has been healthy.
Looking back, I’m incredibly grateful my cousin called me. I’m pretty sure my aunt and uncle made her call me, but my point is that she did call me. Maybe your soon to be DIL could call the other bride and explain. That way, there’s a chance hard feelings and/or resentment might be avoided.
Good luck. All will be ok in the end. Vicky
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Mar 11, 2019 20:27:19 GMT
I agree. You do what you gotta do, but this choice is certainly a red flag about the personality and decision making of the couple in the future. Also, I don’t care if mog/mob is dressed nicer by a bit; I don’t think that matters much in 2019; however, as someone who has photographed about 25 weddings, I think at least a simple discussion about coordination: - leads to nicer photos
- Demonstrates basic respect for each other
- Makes things less awkward so one isn’t dressed in a complete different way. The dress should reflect the style and dress of the wedding.
My stepdaughter got married a few months ago and there was no such discussion. Everyone wore what they wanted, and no one seemed bothered by it at all. My stepdaughter's partner was the main contact for any details, and I loved her response regarding my youngest being a flower girl. I asked if she had a preference in the style of white shoes she was to wear with her dress and if it was okay for her to change into another dress at the reception since the straps on her flower girl dress made her itch. She said, "She can do what she wants. I JUST WANT HER TO BE COMFORTABLE." I think we have to just understand, including me, that our social norms are not the same everywhere and expecting people in different parts of the country, world, region, or with different cultures or economic backgrounds--that we should all see weddings the same way. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a very casual wedding where no one cares what is worn by the MOB/MOG/or maybe anyone. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a coordinated wedding where everything is similar in style and color. Obviously neither type of wedding predicts how happy the couple will be or how long they will be married or how much they love their family. Obviously, one isn't WRONG. They are just different, and how we proceed, depends on what the couple wants. That is why I think it IS indeed best to at least ASK the bride and groom what they want. They may not care AT ALL. Awesome! They might care. Cool! That is what I mean by respecting each other. Check in about coordination and style. That is common decency imo. If they say, "whatever you want." OK. Also, because we all have different norms and expectations, sometimes, it is hard for us to navigate through other people's worlds when we join families. The OP acknowledges that she has to try to go with the flow. That isn't where she is comfortable. She is trying to navigate her future DIL's norms. Give her a little bit of a break. For those of you who are tending towards reprimanding her, ask yourself, if you are casual about weddings, how you would feel if your future DIL/SIL was going for an ultra formal wedding and expected you to have a formal gown and be dedicated to the minute by minute itinerary for the day. I would hope we would all try to go with that flow as well, but I bet, if you are honest with yourself, you might find yourself a little overwhelmed and maybe even a couple of you might post on two peas about it. Not because you think DIL/SIL is horrible but because its out of your comfort zone, your norms. In my 25ish weddings I have photographed and the 40 or so other weddings I have attended in my lifetime, they have all been different. MOST have had MOB/MOG in semi-formal to formal attire. Usually in a color that doesn't clash with the wedding party. Most have not worn patterns. I am not saying ALL. Some of been pretty casual, but most weddings have been semi-formal to formal (only a couple ultra-formal). That is the norm for my area/family/friends. That is why I stated before I think it is basic decency to ask about what the couple wants you to wear. My mom and MIL shopped together once for their dresses. Neither bought that day, but they did shop together. One wore cream, one wore navy, both wore ankle length semi-formal and my bridesmaids wore plum floor length empire (1995). They all looked nice. I helped my mom find hers. I let my MIL do what she wanted, but she coordinated with my mom to some extent.
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Post by flute4peace on Mar 11, 2019 20:58:51 GMT
My daughter was planning an October wedding. Her fiancé had back surgery scheduled for February 5th and had an abnormal EKG at his pre-op appointment. He knew it was nothing serious, but started thinking “what if” something went wrong during surgery. He wanted to be sure my daughter would receive his railroad retirement benefits, so they decided to move up the date. This decision was made on January 26th. We planned, shopped, and put together a lovely wedding in 8 days. They were married February 3rd. She found a dress she loved, the church was available, we had Moe’s cater the dinner, a local florist did the flowers, and the photographer she had chosen formal October was available! There were 45 people in attendance. Afterwards, she said if they had stuck with their original date there was NOTHING she would change. I worried about overdressing even though I was the bride’s mother. His grandmother would be the only female on his side of the family in pictures. She’s in her 90’s and in a nursing home. We offered to buy her a dress, but she wanted no part of it. So I had no clue what she would wear. She brought a dress to the church and the best man helped her stand in front of her wheelchair. She had me put the dress on over the blouse and sweat pants she was wearing. After the dress was in place I offered to remove the pants. She said she would be too cold, and would just “tuck her legs back” for pictures. Of course, her legs still showed, but we were just glad she was able that be there! The pictures I’ll display will be of my family with DD and DSIL. I’m really emotional right now and this made me cry. What an absolutely precious memory!
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Post by lisae on Mar 11, 2019 21:02:59 GMT
I didn't read all the responses but most of the ones I read were telling you to smile and go along, it's their wedding, it won't matter in the long run.
All true. Yet you posted this as a VENT thread. I think that means that our role is to hear you out, commiserate and if we can't provide you with a way to change things, then we should offer you {{hugs}} and an ear whenever you need to complain.
I would object to pretty much everything the bride is doing as well and having had a stepdaughter who annoyed everyone in the family with her wedding decisions, I know you can't change it either. But I've been there, it's no fun. You will get through it, you will hopefully remember the good stuff but if you still remember the equivalent of eating cold Chinese takeout from the wedding buffet nearly 10 years later, don't be surprised.
{{hugs}}
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Mar 11, 2019 21:03:12 GMT
I agree it's unfortunate, but the OP says they moved the date from July specifically because the stepdad couldn't come in July. I missed that - thanks for pointing it out.
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Post by gar on Mar 11, 2019 21:07:37 GMT
My stepdaughter got married a few months ago and there was no such discussion. Everyone wore what they wanted, and no one seemed bothered by it at all. My stepdaughter's partner was the main contact for any details, and I loved her response regarding my youngest being a flower girl. I asked if she had a preference in the style of white shoes she was to wear with her dress and if it was okay for her to change into another dress at the reception since the straps on her flower girl dress made her itch. She said, "She can do what she wants. I JUST WANT HER TO BE COMFORTABLE." I think we have to just understand, including me, that our social norms are not the same everywhere and expecting people in different parts of the country, world, region, or with different cultures or economic backgrounds--that we should all see weddings the same way. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a very casual wedding where no one cares what is worn by the MOB/MOG/or maybe anyone. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a coordinated wedding where everything is similar in style and color. Obviously neither type of wedding predicts how happy the couple will be or how long they will be married or how much they love their family. Obviously, one isn't WRONG. They are just different, and how we proceed, depends on what the couple wants. That is why I think it IS indeed best to at least ASK the bride and groom what they want. They may not care AT ALL. Awesome! They might care. Cool! That is what I mean by respecting each other. Check in about coordination and style. That is common decency imo. If they say, "whatever you want." OK. Also, because we all have different norms and expectations, sometimes, it is hard for us to navigate through other people's worlds when we join families. The OP acknowledges that she has to try to go with the flow. That isn't where she is comfortable. She is trying to navigate her future DIL's norms. Give her a little bit of a break. For those of you who are tending towards reprimanding her, ask yourself, if you are casual about weddings, how you would feel if your future DIL/SIL was going for an ultra formal wedding and expected you to have a formal gown and be dedicated to the minute by minute itinerary for the day. I would hope we would all try to go with that flow as well, but I bet, if you are honest with yourself, you might find yourself a little overwhelmed and maybe even a couple of you might post on two peas about it. Not because you think DIL/SIL is horrible but because its out of your comfort zone, your norms. In my 25ish weddings I have photographed and the 40 or so other weddings I have attended in my lifetime, they have all been different. MOST have had MOB/MOG in semi-formal to formal attire. Usually in a color that doesn't clash with the wedding party. Most have not worn patterns. I am not saying ALL. Some of been pretty casual, but most weddings have been semi-formal to formal (only a couple ultra-formal). That is the norm for my area/family/friends. That is why I stated before I think it is basic decency to ask about what the couple wants you to wear. My mom and MIL shopped together once for their dresses. Neither bought that day, but they did shop together. One wore cream, one wore navy, both wore ankle length semi-formal and my bridesmaids wore plum floor length empire (1995). They all looked nice. I helped my mom find hers. I let my MIL do what she wanted, but she coordinated with my mom to some extent. Well said
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 11, 2019 21:11:16 GMT
Oh I could say so much.. My MIL almost refused to give us addresses for the invitations because she didn't like them. (long story)..
Even though she is flighty I would totally stay out of it. Don't start their marriage/wedding day with issues cause it just leads to years of resentment.. I'm on 25 years of marriage and I still think of it.
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Post by StephDRebel on Mar 11, 2019 22:33:25 GMT
I would have put my foot down with my son. No. You can’t get married on that day because your family already has a wedding to attend/stand up in on that day. Her family was already planning on coming in May - for her graduation - and now she’s not going to walk. So, Now they are coming for her wedding? I’m sure they could have figured out a way to come to her wedding at a later date. As far as a reception in July - sorry, you can’t invited people to a reception months later if they weren’t invited to the wedding. That’s just asking for gifts. My mother put her foot down with me about my venue, time, and date. She forgot that I was a grown up and let her know my intention behind my choices and that she could come, she could pay for a future event her way, or both but I was going to have my wedding at the river in July and it was going to be casual. We did just fine despite her being convinced I was an idiot. People still talk about how fun our wedding was.
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Post by maryland on Mar 11, 2019 22:38:25 GMT
If you like her, that's what matters. Not the wedding. If it's disorganized, it's her and your sons problem, not yours. If they make mistakes, maybe they don't really care. Let them do their thing, and show up and smile. I'm just happy that you like her! Hopefully you will have a great relationship!
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Post by pridemom on Mar 11, 2019 22:51:54 GMT
I didn't read all the responses but most of the ones I read were telling you to smile and go along, it's their wedding, it won't matter in the long run. All true. Yet you posted this as a VENT thread. I think that means that our role is to hear you out, commiserate and if we can't provide you with a way to change things, then we should offer you {{hugs}} and an ear whenever you need to complain. I would object to pretty much everything the bride is doing as well and having had a stepdaughter who annoyed everyone in the family with her wedding decisions, I know you can't change it either. But I've been there, it's no fun. You will get through it, you will hopefully remember the good stuff but if you still remember the equivalent of eating cold Chinese takeout from the wedding buffet nearly 10 years later, don't be surprised. {{hugs}} Thank you lisae. My purpose was to get it off my chest so that I move on. I appreciate that you could see that. It is their wedding and by the time they say “I do” not much of anything else will matter. My son is over the moon with her and she is with him. That’s what matters. I needed a place to complain so that I don’t harbor any ill feelings. As for the dress, I will wear the simpler dress, but rock the amazing coat dress at my daughter’s wedding. She loves it, too. I can’t recall who said not to get snobby about my daughter’s planning because she will probably have something that bothers her MIL2B. No worries, she regularly does something to make me roll my eyes, and drives me batty at times. She’s very strong willed and always has been, but now her fiancé can put up with it. 😉
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