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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 18:04:47 GMT
OPINIONS on the way he looks are BECAUSE of the way the media portrayed him. The people that don't think the expression on his face was smirking, we're not influenced by the narrative put forth by the media, so they didn't read it as a smirk. It’s sort of like when you see a mug shot and you judge the person because they have a smug/proud/smirky look on their face that says they aren’t sorry at all about what they did or that they were arrested for it. This kid *looks* like an asshole. I don’t need a narrative to read his smirk. It speaks for itself. And yet you did. The very fact that it's a mug shot is a narrative that sways us all. You don't know what the meaning of the smug/proud/smirky look is, you don't know what was happening during the taking of the mugshot or the thoughts going on in their head, but you have decided you do, based on influences that don't even register with you as influences.
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Post by myshelly on May 2, 2019 18:06:20 GMT
It’s sort of like when you see a mug shot and you judge the person because they have a smug/proud/smirky look on their face that says they aren’t sorry at all about what they did or that they were arrested for it. This kid *looks* like an asshole. I don’t need a narrative to read his smirk. It speaks for itself. And yet you did. The very fact that it's a mug shot is a narrative that sways us all. You don't know what the meaning of the smug/proud/smirky look is, you don't know what was happening during the taking of the mugshot or the thoughts going on in their head, but you have decided you do, based on influences that don't even register with you as influences. This kid is an arrogant white male who was attending an anti-women’s rights march. My opinion of him is the same regardless of what did or didn’t happen with the Native American man.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 2, 2019 18:09:37 GMT
Are we going to hold Fox to the same standards? Nope. Because nope.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 2, 2019 18:12:26 GMT
That's a pretty heavy burden of proof, particularly in today's news cycle. Who is going to remember his name a year from now if he doesn't keep it in the news himself with lawsuits? College admissions and employers routinely do social media sweeps on every prospective student or employee. Do you really think he can fade into anonymity? Brock Turner has. So did the “affluenza kid” Texas kid who killed a bunch of friends.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 2, 2019 18:30:18 GMT
College admissions and employers routinely do social media sweeps on every prospective student or employee. Do you really think he can fade into anonymity? Brock Turner has. So did the “affluenza kid” Texas kid who killed a bunch of friends. I mean, yeah...they aren't national news but:
I'm not sure that equals fading into anonymity, it's just, they aren't making national headlines. They are making local ones!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 2, 2019 18:31:18 GMT
I think if his family is upset at anyone besides the teen himself, they should be upset with the school and the chaperones—and themselves—for not thinking the situation through before letting the group go to the protest, as well as how it was handled when they were there.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 18:31:29 GMT
College admissions and employers routinely do social media sweeps on every prospective student or employee. Do you really think he can fade into anonymity? Brock Turner has. So did the “affluenza kid” Texas kid who killed a bunch of friends. There is a big difference between both Brock Turner and affluenza kid vs Nick Sandmann. Both of the former are convicted criminals. They earned the punishment of courts and society by their actions. Nick Sandmann is not a criminal.
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Post by katiejane on May 2, 2019 18:35:00 GMT
I thought he looked like an uncomfortable teen. The full video showed that he kinda had no where to go, but stand there. I may not like the reason they were there. I suspect that if he is at a Catholic school he is just supporting and spouting the opinions he has learnt. And at 16 teens are very opinionated about their beliefs. If he was 25 or older I would think differently about him. The story was mis-reported. I do think that the press should report facts and truth and double check there sources. I have no idea about the amount they are seeking. Is this for just him, or is the case being brought on behalf of the college and other students?
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Post by annabella on May 2, 2019 18:38:06 GMT
This is so ridiculous! First he blames black people for putting him in this predicament. lol The Black Hebrew Israelites are a bunch of ex-cons who don't have jobs and stand around all day chanting their version of the black bible. No one takes them seriously or bothers to stop to listen to the hate their spew about "the man". When the Native American activist Phillips attempted to break up a bunch of white children challenging the Black adults, Sandmann stood his ground and gave a smug face to the Native American activist which was disrespectful.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on May 2, 2019 18:40:34 GMT
With the Catholic church's stellar reputation for honesty and transparency in investigations, if they say he's innocent, well that's good enough for me.
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Post by annabella on May 2, 2019 18:41:51 GMT
The full video showed that he kinda had no where to go, but stand there. I just watched and there was lots of space behind him, he could have backed up and gone up 3 steps. Standing inches from the Native American activist and smiling in his face was incredibly rude. I didn't think about this, but this too is a race issue not just an age issue of respect.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 2, 2019 18:48:11 GMT
Brock Turner has. So did the “affluenza kid” Texas kid who killed a bunch of friends. There is a big difference between both Brock Turner and affluenza kid vs Nick Sandmann. Both of the former are convicted criminals. They earned the punishment of courts and society by their actions. Nick Sandmann is not a criminal. Wasn’t likening him to being a criminal. Just pointing out that in this day and age things like this do fade away. Lots of people have already forgot that just yesterday, trump administration filed to kill the entire ACA. Social media moves so fast anymore, that this crap just gets pushed out for something else. Flavor of the Day...soup du jour....
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Post by verdepea on May 2, 2019 18:56:04 GMT
Are they going to sue twitter too? The video that the black Isrealites filmed and posted was all over Twitter like wildfire and ratioed before they took it down. That video showed them engaging with anyone that would walk by and engage back.
Are they suing the school for putting them in that environment without proper supervision? Why were they not prepared for a protest weekend that they went to protest their pro-life cause. The families ego got bruised, their PR company failed them, and now the are suing everyone because of their pride? He willingly sat for an interview and put himself in the spotlight.
I feel for the kid, he made a mistake and a lawsuit is creating more bad press.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 19:08:04 GMT
I think if his family is upset at anyone besides the teen himself, they should be upset with the school and the chaperones—and themselves—for not thinking the situation through before letting the group go to the protest, as well as how it was handled when they were there. Exactly!!! I watched the incident unfold (via YouTube; not CNN) and had one of those teens been my child, I would have been frantic with worry and anger over them not being supervised in any way. This was towards the end of the day and they were awaiting their transportation, so they mulled around and seemingly looked for trouble. Sandmann was extremely confrontational, disrespectful and disgusting in his demeanor. He chose to be this way, on camera, with the world watching and no one supervising him or suggesting that his posture was wrong (the person supervising was a priest too!!!!!). He came across (in the entire video; not in a snippet) as being a bully while his schoolmates were cheering him on and being disrespectful and hateful towards native Americans. So, what exactly did CNN do to warrant this lawsuit?? They simply showed the news which had already aired via YouTube. If you look into this school's history of similarly offensive acts, it wouldn't surprise you. Those teens from that CATHOLIC school were the antithesis of what a religious- based group should be. His future and reputation were not ruined and it was his choice to confront this man and be so disrespectful. In my opinion the school should have suspended him and many others, and they should have put out a statement of apology and a reminder of how a teen studying in a Catholic school should behave. It's a pretty bad reflection of the school, the priest supervising and the parents who most likely didn't reprimand their kid for acting so recklessly. He's lucky that real fights didn't break out and result in bodily harm.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 19:11:33 GMT
Brock Turner has. So did the “affluenza kid” Texas kid who killed a bunch of friends. There is a big difference between both Brock Turner and affluenza kid vs Nick Sandmann. Both of the former are convicted criminals. They earned the punishment of courts and society by their actions. Nick Sandmann is not a criminal. Give him a little more time.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 19:12:43 GMT
Are they going to sue twitter too? The video that the black Isrealites filmed and posted was all over Twitter like wildfire and ratioed before they took it down. That video showed them engaging with anyone that would walk by and engage back. Are they suing the school for putting them in that environment without proper supervision? Why were they not prepared for a protest weekend that they went to protest their pro-life cause. The families ego got bruised, their PR company failed them, and now the are suing everyone because of their pride? He willingly sat for an interview and put himself in the spotlight. I feel for the kid, he made a mistake and a lawsuit is creating more bad press. He did not put himself in the spotlight, the "journalists" did that. He stood up for himself in response.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 19:16:34 GMT
Give him a little more time. Fuck. All the kid did was go to an event with his school. Jesus.
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Post by inkedup on May 2, 2019 19:20:33 GMT
OPINIONS on the way he looks are BECAUSE of the way the media portrayed him. The people that don't think the expression on his face was smirking, we're not influenced by the narrative put forth by the media, so they didn't read it as a smirk. It’s sort of like when you see a mug shot and you judge the person because they have a smug/proud/smirky look on their face that says they aren’t sorry at all about what they did or that they were arrested for it. This kid *looks* like an asshole. I don’t need a narrative to read his smirk. It speaks for itself. I disagree. I think Sandmann was a minor child who is being judged on one event. I don't think the way the story was covered victimized him, but I also think a lot of harsh judgments have been placed on a very young man. I hope Sandmann lives a life that proves that he is as good of a person as it's been said he is. Edited for clarity: I don't think Sandmann is a victim and I think this suit is without merit. But I also think he is a very young man who is being judged for a facial expression.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 19:26:02 GMT
Sandmann was extremely confrontational, disrespectful and disgusting in his demeanor. He chose to be this way, on camera, with the world watching and no one supervising him or suggesting that his posture was wrong I don't know how standing still while the Native American, Nathan Phillips drummed in his face and telling his friend to stop the tomahawk chop can be classified as "extremely confrontational, disrespectful and disgusting in his demeanor". If you look into this school's history of similarly offensive acts, it wouldn't surprise you. We have and it's been discussed here and in the news and it's not as presented. Several news outlets corrected the original narrative and apologized for getting it wrong after viewing the entire video. Which they should have done before presenting it in the original way they did.
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Post by LiLi on May 2, 2019 19:27:16 GMT
If this dude wins, imagine what Christine Blasey Ford could sue for. Talk about destroying a reputation...
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 19:35:57 GMT
Sandmann was extremely confrontational, disrespectful and disgusting in his demeanor. He chose to be this way, on camera, with the world watching and no one supervising him or suggesting that his posture was wrong I don't know how standing still while the Native American, Nathan Phillips drummed in his face and telling his friend to stop the tomahawk chop can be classified as "extremely confrontational, disrespectful and disgusting in his demeanor". If you look into this school's history of similarly offensive acts, it wouldn't surprise you. We have and it's been discussed here and in the news and it's not as presented. Several news outlets corrected the original narrative and apologized for getting it wrong after viewing the entire video. Which they should have done before presenting it in the original way they did. Sandmann had room to walk away but he chose not to. He was the one being confrontational, while Mr. Phillips was peacefully attempting to diffuse a possibly violitile situation. As for the school's past poor choices, how could anyone refute seeing these kids in blackface, being disrespectful?? There are many more past examples of very poor choices by this school and their students, regardless of it being previously discussed here. My opinion of the school and the disrespectful kids who took part in these instances were dead wrong.
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Post by Merge on May 2, 2019 19:44:52 GMT
We live in a country where a notorious con man, grifter and lecher can be elected to the highest office in the land because he is a rich, white man.
Somehow I think Nick Sandmann will be OK.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 20:05:37 GMT
I don't know how standing still while the Native American, Nathan Phillips drummed in his face and telling his friend to stop the tomahawk chop can be classified as "extremely confrontational, disrespectful and disgusting in his demeanor". We have and it's been discussed here and in the news and it's not as presented. Several news outlets corrected the original narrative and apologized for getting it wrong after viewing the entire video. Which they should have done before presenting it in the original way they did. Sandmann had room to walk away but he chose not to. He was the one being confrontational, while Mr. Phillips was peacefully attempting to diffuse a possibly violitile situation. Nathan Phillips walked up to him to beat his drum in his face, after bypassing a clear path up to the steps of the monument that he later claimed he just wanted to get to. Nathan Phillips described the racist, hate spewing, Black Hebrew Israelites in this incident as victimized old men and described the kids as beastly predators. He also lied about being a Vietnam vet. They did not paint their faces black to depict black people, they painted them black just like they did on blue day and white day and...
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Post by huskergal on May 2, 2019 20:21:11 GMT
There is a big difference between both Brock Turner and affluenza kid vs Nick Sandmann. Both of the former are convicted criminals. They earned the punishment of courts and society by their actions. Nick Sandmann is not a criminal. Wasn’t likening him to being a criminal. Just pointing out that in this day and age things like this do fade away. Lots of people have already forgot that just yesterday, trump administration filed to kill the entire ACA. Social media moves so fast anymore, that this crap just gets pushed out for something else. Flavor of the Day...soup du jour.... He is keeping himself in the media and the public by bringing the lawsuit.
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Post by huskergal on May 2, 2019 20:23:02 GMT
Give him a little more time. Fuck. All the kid did was go to an event with his school. Jesus. You mean a protest? On school time?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 2, 2019 20:46:17 GMT
We live in a country where a notorious con man, grifter and lecher can be elected to the highest office in the land because he is a rich, white man. Somehow I think Nick Sandmann will be OK. White boys are always innocent.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 20:54:16 GMT
Fuck. All the kid did was go to an event with his school. Jesus. You mean a protest? On school time? The school took them. It wasn't like he was truant and attended on his own. And since when is attending a protest (with or without pussy hat) a crime. For that matter if smirking was grounds for being a convicted criminal, at least two of my kids would be on death row and only the youngest would even qualify for probation. A facial expression is subjective. You could look at any one of the avatars here and claim they are smirking, mad, frowning, laughing, whatever. The kid was approached by an adult. He stood there. He didn't block him, he didn't touch him, he didn't get in his face (even though the adult got right in his face) and he didn't say anything. He stood there with an expression that some have called smirking on his face. And he was tried and convicted by the media in a matter of minutes.
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Post by annabella on May 2, 2019 21:00:26 GMT
www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-sports-covington-nathan-phillips-nick-sandmann-20190121-story.htmlBlack face is always inappropriate, regardless if the school has other color days. It would have been better for them to just wear black t-shirts like everyone else in the photo. But their face makeup is racist, especially in context of them yelling at a black player. Their lack of awareness that the school allowed them to do this, shows how incredibly misinformed they are about the inappropriateness of blackface. Julianne Hough got a ripped a new one when she did blackface as her halloween costume. Lying about being a Vietnam vet is not relevant to the incident. What he said on camera has been disputed based of the video quality, ultimately he was misquoted or rather he phrased himself confusingly. But what was determined is that he did serve in the marine core during the Vietnam war but was never deployed abroad. His exact words were "I am a Vietnam-era vet". He may have gotten in the boys face, but the boy had the opportunity to back the fuck up.
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Post by huskergal on May 2, 2019 21:09:15 GMT
You mean a protest? On school time? The school took them. It wasn't like he was truant and attended on his own. And since when is attending a protest (with or without pussy hat) a crime. For that matter if smirking was grounds for being a convicted criminal, at least two of my kids would be on death row and only the youngest would even qualify for probation. A facial expression is subjective. You could look at any one of the avatars here and claim they are smirking, mad, frowning, laughing, whatever. The kid was approached by an adult. He stood there. He didn't block him, he didn't touch him, he didn't get in his face (even though the adult got right in his face) and he didn't say anything. He stood there with an expression that some have called smirking on his face. And he was tried and convicted by the media in a matter of minutes. And the school and chaperones didn't do a good job of taking care of their wards. There is video of them yelling at other people. Where were the chaperones during this whole incident? They should have never been near the other group to begin with. Chaperones should have pulled them away from the situation. An adult should have been the buffer. No one is saying he is a criminal. He is a rude, privileged boy who thinks he was damaged in some way. My favorite is that in order to defend him, you have to tear down the Native American man. He is younger. He should have shown some kind of respect. He could have easily walked away. I didn't see him at any point telling his tomahawk chopping schoolmates to stop. He looked like he enjoyed being the center of attention.
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Post by lizacreates on May 2, 2019 21:30:55 GMT
Sandmann will have to prove malice. That both WaPo and CNN knew that what they were publishing was false and recklessly disregarded the truth. That’s a very high bar if you’re seeking to collect on punitive damages. Those amounts are outrageous. I mean, he sued WaPo for $250M because that’s what Bezos paid for the paper (that’s what the complaint said)? $275M from CNN? He’ll have to prove why damage to him would amount to over half a billion. I don’t really see Sandmann prevailing here.
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