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Post by spitfiregirl on Nov 9, 2019 15:43:27 GMT
there.... title changed. Is that better or should I change it to something else? admin UPDATE. Thank you everyone for the awesome responses. ive asked admin to delete the thread as I have cut and pasted many many responses. Your insights, all of them are so appreciated. Thank you all again and I will update after some counciling.
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ashley
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Post by ashley on Nov 9, 2019 15:47:29 GMT
Of course it’s not ok!! I am so sorry he assaulted you. Whether or not you are ready for an apology is up to you.
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Post by KelleeM on Nov 9, 2019 15:48:16 GMT
No. Never acceptable. And honestly, it’s really not acceptable for a man to hit another man under those circumstances either.
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Post by elaine on Nov 9, 2019 15:51:02 GMT
If I were in your shoes, there is nothing that he could say that would result in my forgiving him, short of saying he has a brain tumor that affects his motor control. And I would let your friend know just that. He can apologize all he wants to, but you don’t have to forgive him. And, in that case, I would prefer to not engage with him at all, because it will end badly.
I’m betting that he just wants to apologize to appease your friend and maybe lessen the negative consequences of his action, but not because he is truly sorry.
eta: You are not responsible for making either of them feel better about the situation. They can both continue to feel like crap - your friend for staying with a guy who punches people when he doesn’t like what they say, and him for having to live with someone who doesn’t approve of his behavior.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 9, 2019 15:51:17 GMT
No. Never acceptable. And honestly, it’s really not acceptable for a man to hit another man under those circumstances either. This was my thought too.
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amom23
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Post by amom23 on Nov 9, 2019 15:51:47 GMT
Holy shit it's not ok. WTF? Your friends husband needs some anger management counseling. Obviously you need to find a way to let the anger go, but no way in hell would I be around the guy in any social situation ever again.
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Nov 9, 2019 15:52:46 GMT
It's never okay to hit another person.
Whether you are right or wrong not wanting an apology I would ask you this, who is still suffering? You think about it everyday, does he?
You have not allowed yourself to close this episode, what do you want if an apology is not acceptable? What would bring you peace?
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MorningPerson
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Post by MorningPerson on Nov 9, 2019 15:53:06 GMT
No. Never o.k.
I can't help but wonder if he hits your friend. If you've never suspected it I would now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 15:53:56 GMT
I'm sorry what? He hit you in the face with a hamburger? Not that it really matters he shouldn't have hit you with anything, he sounds deranged. Is this typical of his behaviour if his wife says something he doesn't like?
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 9, 2019 15:58:12 GMT
I think if a woman hits another person, male or female, she can expect to be knocked in her ass. Don't hit if you don't want to be hit. So yes, to defend yourself from a woman who is throwing blows it is okay to hit a woman.
As for this situation, I would never have anything to do with that man nor his wife again. That is just me but I have no time in my life for someone who would act like that and I also wouldn't have anything to do with his wife who puts up with it. There are way too many decent and sane people in the world to hang out with.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Nov 9, 2019 16:03:18 GMT
WTH? He hit you in a public place, over politics? Nope, not acceptable of course.
But... you're still angry about it after a year. What are you hanging onto, not allowing him to apologise? He obviously realises that he did a VERY wrong thing. I don't think you're "wrong" for not wanting to let him apologise, but I do think it would be healthier for you and your relationship with your friend and her family if you did.
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Post by ~summer~ on Nov 9, 2019 16:04:33 GMT
He smashed a hamburger in your face? I wouldn’t get over that either.
edited: other than men usually being stronger I don’t know what gender has to do with it - it should never be ok to assault someone regardless of gender
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Post by myshelly on Nov 9, 2019 16:06:03 GMT
Obviously, what happened to you was very wrong and not acceptable.
But I don’t understand why the issue has to be phrased like you phrased the title.
What does gender have to do with any of this?
Regardless of gender, no, it is not acceptable for one person to hit another person.
Why do people bring gender into that?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 16:07:17 GMT
I think if a woman hits another person, male or female, she can expect to be knocked in her ass. Don't hit if you don't want to be hit. So yes, to defend yourself from a woman who is throwing blows it is okay to hit a woman. As for this situation, I would never have anything to do with that man nor his wife again. That is just me but I have no time in my life for someone who would act like that and I also wouldn't have anything to do with his wife who puts up with it. There are way too many decent and sane people in the world to hang out with. Thank you for this, this is exactly what I wanted to say.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 16:09:31 GMT
IMO, it is never ok for one person to hit another in anger. Male hitting another male or female hitting a male. OTOH, you knew before going they didn't discuss politics and you knew the dialogue was argumentative, what did you expect to gain by punching his buttons? I am not going to give you a pass at you continuing knowing he how he felt. IMO adults also don't make their dinner companions unhappy with dinner conversations either.
You do not have to accept his apology if you don't want. You do need to deal with your anger though. A year later you still think about it daily.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 9, 2019 16:11:43 GMT
What the actual fuck. That dude has serious issues. Knowing she’s your best friend of 30 years, you probably already knew that and knew what to say to set him off. It doesn’t excuse his behavior but I’m just curious as to what you thought the outcome would be? I don’t discuss politics at all because I have some pretty hard core beliefs but that’s something I k ow and keep to myself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 16:13:10 GMT
Your title is strange given the circumstance.
He shouldn't have hit you. You don't have to forgive him.
Thinking about it daily a year later needs to be addressed. That's not healthy for you.
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Post by Rhondito on Nov 9, 2019 16:14:13 GMT
There's no excuse to hit anyone in the situation you described. How can someone be so unhinged that they resort to violence when discussing politics? What did your friend do when this happened? As someone else said, I don't think I could continue to be friends with her either. She's married to that; she lives with and knows how he acts and behaves and apparently is okay with it. I don't associate with those kind of people.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 9, 2019 16:16:25 GMT
I agree with everything elaine said. And honestly now I'm scared for your friend. If he will do that to you in public over a trump comment what is he doing to her behind closed doors?
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Post by mnmloveli on Nov 9, 2019 16:22:49 GMT
I think if a woman hits another person, male or female, she can expect to be knocked in her ass. Don't hit if you don't want to be hit. So yes, to defend yourself from a woman who is throwing blows it is okay to hit a woman. As for this situation, I would never have anything to do with that man nor his wife again. That is just me but I have no time in my life for someone who would act like that and I also wouldn't have anything to do with his wife who puts up with it. There are way too many decent and sane people in the world to hang out with. Totally agree with all the above. I can’t imagine hanging out with someone who did this to me. Maybe his wife puts up with this on a regular basis. I would be worried for her, his wife.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 16:23:38 GMT
To answer your question, male or female, it is never okay to hit another person except possibly in cases of self defense or in order to stop a crime. I do admit having a bit of difficulty understanding whether he sucker punched you or smashed his/your burger in your face? Either is not okay, but one would have had me filing assault charges.
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Post by ~summer~ on Nov 9, 2019 16:27:12 GMT
To answer your question, male or female, it is never okay to hit another person except possibly in cases of self defense or in order to stop a crime. I do admit having a bit of difficulty understanding whether he sucker punched you or smashed his/your burger in your face? Either is not okay, but one would have had me filing assault charges. I agree - I don’t know what “sucker punched with a hamburger to the face” means - if he actually punched me in the face I would have filed assault charges. Or did he throw/smash a hamburger in your face? I would probably never speak to him or probably my friend too after that - too much crazy for me
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Post by moodyblue on Nov 9, 2019 16:29:09 GMT
Totally inappropriate action - doesn’t matter whether male or female on either end.
I have to wonder about your friend, and if she’s ever been hit or if she lives with a fear of being hit.
For you, if you think about this every day, I do think you need to figure out how to move past this. Not so you can socialize with him or anything, because I’m not sure I ever would again, but so that it doesn’t live in your head forever. What do you need in order to put it behind you and move forward?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 9, 2019 16:31:44 GMT
I think if a woman hits another person, male or female, she can expect to be knocked in her ass. Don't hit if you don't want to be hit. So yes, to defend yourself from a woman who is throwing blows it is okay to hit a woman. As for this situation, I would never have anything to do with that man nor his wife again. That is just me but I have no time in my life for someone who would act like that and I also wouldn't have anything to do with his wife who puts up with it. There are way too many decent and sane people in the world to hang out with. Agreed. The man was out of control! spitfiregirl there seems to be some confusion as to when this incident happened. Was it recently? Or did it happen a year ago when you stopped going to their house?
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Post by spitfiregirl on Nov 9, 2019 16:37:57 GMT
If I were in your shoes, there is nothing that he could say that would result in my forgiving him, short of saying he has a brain tumor that affects his motor control. And I would let your friend know just that. He can apologize all he wants to, but you don’t have to forgive him. And, in that case, I would prefer to not engage with him at all, because it will end badly. I’m betting that he just wants to apologize to appease your friend and maybe lessen the negative consequences of his action, but not because he is truly sorry. eta: You are not responsible for making either of them feel better about the situation. They can both continue to feel like crap - your friend for staying with a guy who punches people when he doesn’t like what they say, and him for having to live with someone who doesn’t approve of his behavior. this is exactly how I feel.
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Post by spitfiregirl on Nov 9, 2019 16:42:57 GMT
I think if a woman hits another person, male or female, she can expect to be knocked in her ass. Don't hit if you don't want to be hit. So yes, to defend yourself from a woman who is throwing blows it is okay to hit a woman. As for this situation, I would never have anything to do with that man nor his wife again. That is just me but I have no time in my life for someone who would act like that and I also wouldn't have anything to do with his wife who puts up with it. There are way too many decent and sane people in the world to hang out with. Agreed. The man was out of control! spitfiregirl there seems to be some confusion as to when this incident happened. Was it recently? Or did it happen a year ago when you stopped going to their house? it happened a year ago and I have not seen him since. I live in fear of seeing him. If I run into him in town I dont know what I would say or do. I rehearse it over and over in my mind. what will I say?
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 9, 2019 16:45:17 GMT
In this situation it is not ok to hit a woman. But really in this situation it is not ok for anyone to hit any person, no matter their gender. His reaction to what appears to be a civil conversation was extremely over the top. And I would not ever want to be near him again. I would do the exact same thing you are doing by keeping your distance from him. He could apologize all he wanted. I wouldn’t accept it, and I would still not have anything to do with him. I would also be extremely concerned that my best friend is the victim of some form of abuse within her marriage. Because if he did that to you during a dinner in public, I hate to think about how he reacts when his wife simply voices her dissent in their private home.
As to your question about whether it is ever ok to hit a woman, I think it is. I have never understood why it is ok to never hit a woman, but hitting a man is ok (it is not). But specifically, I think if a woman is going ape shit and beating the crap out of a man, the man should be able to physically defend himself if needed. Gender shouldn’t factor in.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Nov 9, 2019 16:47:45 GMT
Oh, for the love. There must be so much more to this story.
But, no. No, it's not okay to hit a woman.
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Post by spitfiregirl on Nov 9, 2019 16:48:26 GMT
I think if a woman hits another person, male or female, she can expect to be knocked in her ass. Don't hit if you don't want to be hit. So yes, to defend yourself from a woman who is throwing blows it is okay to hit a woman. As for this situation, I would never have anything to do with that man nor his wife again. That is just me but I have no time in my life for someone who would act like that and I also wouldn't have anything to do with his wife who puts up with it. There are way too many decent and sane people in the world to hang out with. Agreed. The man was out of control! spitfiregirl there seems to be some confusion as to when this incident happened. Was it recently? Or did it happen a year ago when you stopped going to their house? I dont know how I can get ahold of my feelings. I cant seem to move on. I feel anger and fear every day. Fear of running into him. I live in a very small town. Fear of seeing my friends daughter and her husband, and them asking why I dont come to the birthday parties any more... etc. I went to the police and they said they would arrest him and he could never own a gun again.... but I chickened out on filing charges, for my friends sake. how am I going to get past it
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Post by pinklady on Nov 9, 2019 16:52:57 GMT
Next thing I know he sucker punched me with a hamburger to the face in the middle of the restaurant. I’m sorry what? He punched you in the face with a hamburger in his fist? Or he threw a hamburger at you which hit you in the face?
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