MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Dec 14, 2019 4:18:19 GMT
I have learned of another relative; his aunt that he also moved in early November.
He did NOT file in Probate Court to move that relative so I will be meeting with an attorney to ask what the options are. For 3 of the people he moved, he failed to disclose relatives that are still alive who should have been notified by the court. Those relatives are on the same level of relationship as my uncle.
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Post by yivit on Dec 14, 2019 6:16:15 GMT
Holy crap! I believe that this unauthorized removal from a grave would be a felony in Texas (basically it's graverobbing). It's even the same offense if you steal decorations from a grave (which happened recently at the cemetery where my mom and grandparents are buried- someone stole Christmas decorations from a grave).
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Sue
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Post by Sue on Dec 14, 2019 7:08:04 GMT
I'm so glad you're getting a lawyer's opinion of what your uncle is doing. Surely he is mentally disturbed to some degree. It's hard to believe that a person in their right mind would do the things he has done!
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Dec 14, 2019 8:31:39 GMT
I'm sorry you are having to deal with this. You have to wonder about his mindset. Never in a million years would I consider moving people around a graveyard to create a super family plot. It's just so bizarre.
Good luck at the lawyers. As well as asking what can be done about his actions, find out if you can put a legal notice/ban in place to protect your Mum's grave and other future graves.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Dec 14, 2019 12:11:08 GMT
He did NOT file in Probate Court so I will be meeting with an attorney to ask what the options are. For 3 of the people he moved, he failed to disclose relatives that are still alive who should have been notified by the court. Those relatives are on the same level if inheritance of my uncle. I don't blame you for opposing him legally. He deserves to incur some sort of punishment for his actions.
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michellegb
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Post by michellegb on Dec 14, 2019 12:17:28 GMT
Your uncle has some brass ones doesn't he! I cannot fathom that level of crazy and entitled. It would never occur to me to do something like this. I feel strongly that people choose where they are interred for a reason and it should be respected and honored. I hope they all haunt him for the rest of his days and that he finds no rest or peace from all of this. I'm sorry you have to deal with it and I'm glad you are considering legal action. He deserves it.
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Post by Jen in NCal on Dec 14, 2019 12:25:32 GMT
He needed to have them close to him on this plane because they sure won't be on the same one with him when he dies. They went one way, he is clearly going the other.
That is disgusting. I am so sorry you have to put any energy on this. But so very proud of you for fighting it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:48:19 GMT
Rich entitled assholes gonna rich entitled asshole.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 14, 2019 20:45:38 GMT
We haven’t buried our parents cremains yet does he want a few extra?
( kidding )
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Post by MalleyCat on Dec 15, 2019 4:34:34 GMT
WOW! Your uncle sounds like a piece of works! You are justified to be upset!!!!😡
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Post by anniefb on Dec 15, 2019 22:40:05 GMT
Good grief.
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MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Dec 16, 2019 2:37:52 GMT
I'm so glad you're getting a lawyer's opinion of what your uncle is doing. Surely he is mentally disturbed to some degree. It's hard to believe that a person in their right mind would do the things he has done! He is a narcissist.
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MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Dec 18, 2019 3:49:44 GMT
I have a phone call set for tomorrow to speak with the County Prosecutor and another phone call with the Ohio Department of Commerce (regulates Ohio cemeteries).
My uncle and his buddy (who is a superintendent of the cemetery) have pi$$ed off the wrong person.
Even if nothing can be done, just causing him and his good ole boy buddies stress, angst, and hassle will be worth it.
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joelise
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Post by joelise on Dec 18, 2019 12:14:39 GMT
I don’t blame you for being upset. What an awful man! I’m not sure this would be legal in the UK.
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Dec 18, 2019 12:37:53 GMT
MerryMom the buddy might be feeling a bit more than pissed, is there a possibility his job is at risk?
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 18, 2019 18:05:19 GMT
Even if nothing can be done, just causing him and his good ole boy buddies stress, angst, and hassle will be worth it. I'm sorry you are having to deal with this. At the very least he must have falsified documents if he didn't list all relatives that should have been notified.
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Post by mom on Dec 18, 2019 18:08:03 GMT
I have a phone call set for tomorrow to speak with the County Prosecutor and another phone call with the Ohio Department of Commerce (regulates Ohio cemeteries). My uncle and his buddy (who is a superintendent of the cemetery) have pi$$ed off the wrong person. Even if nothing can be done, just causing him and his good ole boy buddies stress, angst, and hassle will be worth it. oh wow! Good for you! I am curious as to how this ends up.
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MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Dec 28, 2019 1:59:18 GMT
12/27/2019 update:
I have located 2 more relatives that were moved in November (total of 7 now). There was no filing in Probate Court for those 2. I have a message in to a detective with a different police department and prosecutor. Now 2 counties are involved. The last two were moved across a street to a different part of the SAME cemetery to be by the uncle. He moved hIs grandmother who was buried in 1927 and she was in her fifties when she died. He also moved his aunt who was 2 years old when she died in 1912!!!
I am filing my complaint with a state agency on Monday.
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Post by Lexica on Dec 28, 2019 3:34:28 GMT
This is all so bizarre. I hope you can get satisfaction and results through the law. Especially for your grandparents. I hope he has to pay to have them moved back to their original burial location near your mom plus a fine. I hope he didn’t sell their original plots if that is something that can be done.
He seems to be thinking it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 28, 2019 3:41:24 GMT
12/27/2019 update: I have located 2 more relatives that were moved in November (total of 7 now). There was no filing in Probate Court for those 2. I have a message in to a detective with a different police department and prosecutor. Now 2 counties are involved. The last two were moved across a street to a different part of the SAME cemetery to be by the uncle. He moved hIs grandmother who was buried in 1927 and she was in her fifties when she died. He also moved his aunt who was 2 years old when she died in 1912!!! I am filing my complaint with a state agency on Monday. I can't believe this is happening to you! Are there any other living relatives who would be upset by all this movement? If so, do they support and agree with you? Please be careful he doesn't try to bump you off so he might want to move you too. Or maybe not since you are giving him such a hard time!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 13:37:06 GMT
This is all so bizarre. I hope you can get satisfaction and results through the law. Especially for your grandparents. I hope he has to pay to have them moved back to their original burial location near your mom plus a fine. I hope he didn’t sell their original plots if that is something that can be done. He seems to be thinking it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission. That's a usual way of thinking for those w/money. They figure the penalties are just a cost of getting their own way. I hope he has to move them back or he will have likely viewed the penalty as the cost of getting what he wanted in the first place. The power of money.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 28, 2019 14:04:24 GMT
I read through your OP and the follow-up posts like 😦😦😣😫🥺. I cannot get my head around why a person would move people once they are buried, absent some extremely specific and compelling circumstance. I am sorry you are dealing with this.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Dec 28, 2019 14:08:17 GMT
Damn Gina!! This is some messed up stuff. Please keep us updated on this one.
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Post by Rhondito on Dec 28, 2019 14:49:34 GMT
This still bothers me so much. Think about all those relatives decades ago who chose the burial sites for their loved ones and this asshat thinks he has the right to override their wishes. WHO does that?? I really hope he gets in major trouble for doing this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 20:09:00 GMT
Any update?
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MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Feb 6, 2020 1:22:18 GMT
3rd update: 2/5/2020
For my mom’s aunt: The sheriff’s office Lt. called me today and he has completed his investigation and sent the case to the county prosecutor.
For my mom’s grandmother who died in 1929: I have left 3 messages for the police officer to call me back. No response.
I have mailed my complaint about the cemetery to the Department of Commerce.
That’s the update. Thanks for everyone’s concern and comments.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 4:25:13 GMT
Ive been following this thread & I hope you find resolution to all this. I would be upset with the disturbance of my loved ones resting place, too.
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Post by Legacy Girl on Feb 6, 2020 5:56:48 GMT
I'm coming down on the side of dementia, senility, etc. People in their right minds just don't do things like this, IMHO. And not that all 88-year-olds are mentally incompetent, but all signs seem to point to the fact that he very well might be. I'm sorry you're having to go through all this.
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Post by MalleyCat on Feb 7, 2020 21:44:57 GMT
I hope those relatives give him hell when he dies and is buried next to them!😮
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 7, 2020 21:53:34 GMT
Thank you for updating. I was wondering what was going on, and hope you get some resolutions here.
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