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Post by gar on Mar 10, 2020 23:55:07 GMT
I’ve just listened to the BBC saying that in Italy there has been a lot of transmission within families and Italy does have a large elderly population. But Italy’s health care system is an advanced one, not some 3rd world situation, so certainly all similar first world systems will be unbelievably stretched. Health experts have already said that our healthcare system won’t be able to handle the numbers of seriously ill patients. You won’t be alone in that 😕
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Post by moodyblue on Mar 11, 2020 0:01:16 GMT
I’m very concerned about the health care system getting overloaded.
This afternoon I got a robocall from the facility where my mom lives. She’s 91, and in assisted living, but the facility also has independent living, memory care and a nursing home. They are now restricting visitors, except for medical emergencies, and everyone has to call ahead and be screened if for some reason they need to come. I’m glad they're being proactive, but I wasn’t expecting it quite this soon. Neither was my sister, who luckily for us all, spent three afternoons last week doing a spring cleaning and refresh of supplies and things for mom.
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Post by ghislaine on Mar 11, 2020 0:09:02 GMT
I have a relative in Spain who is no longer allowed to visit his parent in their nursing home. Even before today he was required to wear a mask and stay for less than half an hour. They are taking this very seriously.
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Post by elaine on Mar 11, 2020 0:26:45 GMT
I’m very concerned about the health care system getting overloaded. This afternoon I got a robocall from the facility where my mom lives. She’s 91, and in assisted living, but the facility also has independent living, memory care and a nursing home. They are now restricting visitors, except for medical emergencies, and everyone has to call ahead and be screened if for some reason they need to come. I’m glad they're being proactive, but I wasn’t expecting it quite this soon. Neither was my sister, who luckily for us all, spent three afternoons last week doing a spring cleaning and refresh of supplies and things for mom. I’m supposed to have my regular Wednesday visit to my mom tomorrow- she told me to call before I leave my house to see if I will be allowed in the facility. Her facility sounds similar to your mom’s, with all the various levels of care. They have shut down most of the group activities and told the residents that they may restrict visitors. If I am allowed in, I am bringing a cooler full of soups and muffins and some homemade meals. I foresee not being able to visit freely in the near future.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 0:29:52 GMT
Viruses spread and kill exponentially. This trend will continue until the epidemic peaks in Italy and every country currently afflicted. I have also read that Italy has had less testing. Only more obvious cases have been tested, meaning a lot of mild cases or those that are asymptomatic have not been counted. It doesn't necessarily mean a higher mortality percentage. I posted a report earlier on one of the threads that said Italy has tested 25,000 + cases up to a week ago. No doubt that figure has increased by now. So not a small number. It’s quite frightening the speed it has taken over in Italy. Ten days ago they had 888 cases and 21 deaths. The latest figure is 10,000+ cases with 631 deaths........ in 10 days !
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Post by moodyblue on Mar 11, 2020 0:36:14 GMT
I’m very concerned about the health care system getting overloaded. This afternoon I got a robocall from the facility where my mom lives. She’s 91, and in assisted living, but the facility also has independent living, memory care and a nursing home. They are now restricting visitors, except for medical emergencies, and everyone has to call ahead and be screened if for some reason they need to come. I’m glad they're being proactive, but I wasn’t expecting it quite this soon. Neither was my sister, who luckily for us all, spent three afternoons last week doing a spring cleaning and refresh of supplies and things for mom. I’m supposed to have my regular Wednesday visit to my mom tomorrow- she told me to call before I leave my house to see if I will be allowed in the facility. Her facility sounds similar to your mom’s, with all the various levels of care. They have shut down most of the group activities and told the residents that they may restrict visitors. If I am allowed in, I am bringing a cooler full of soups and muffins and some homemade meals. I foresee not being able to visit freely in the near future. Yep. It’s a little weird to think about, but makes me feel a little better that the facility is taking this seriously and acting to protect their residents. Unfortunately, can’t control what staff members do, and I’m hoping they are being as cautious in telling people not to come to work if they are sick. Our local hospitals are restricting visitors to two at a time and not allowing under 18 unless absolutely necessary. And no one who is sick is to come in as a visitor.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 11, 2020 0:36:42 GMT
I have a relative in Spain who is no longer allowed to visit his parent in their nursing home. Even before today he was required to wear a mask and stay for less than half an hour. They are taking this very seriously. This is the case with facilities here in Seattle as well (probably not all facilities, but the news has reported some and I have heard directly from affected families as well).
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Post by MichyM on Mar 11, 2020 0:41:21 GMT
I’m very concerned about the health care system getting overloaded. This afternoon I got a robocall from the facility where my mom lives. She’s 91, and in assisted living, but the facility also has independent living, memory care and a nursing home. They are now restricting visitors, except for medical emergencies, and everyone has to call ahead and be screened if for some reason they need to come. I’m glad they're being proactive, but I wasn’t expecting it quite this soon. Neither was my sister, who luckily for us all, spent three afternoons last week doing a spring cleaning and refresh of supplies and things for mom. I’m supposed to have my regular Wednesday visit to my mom tomorrow- she told me to call before I leave my house to see if I will be allowed in the facility. Her facility sounds similar to your mom’s, with all the various levels of care. They have shut down most of the group activities and told the residents that they may restrict visitors. If I am allowed in, I am bringing a cooler full of soups and muffins and some homemade meals. I foresee not being able to visit freely in the near future. Is your mom able to use FaceTime so you can at least check in with her that way for however long visits are potentially restricted?
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Post by elaine on Mar 11, 2020 0:47:51 GMT
I’m supposed to have my regular Wednesday visit to my mom tomorrow- she told me to call before I leave my house to see if I will be allowed in the facility. Her facility sounds similar to your mom’s, with all the various levels of care. They have shut down most of the group activities and told the residents that they may restrict visitors. If I am allowed in, I am bringing a cooler full of soups and muffins and some homemade meals. I foresee not being able to visit freely in the near future. Is your mom able to use FaceTime so you can at least check in with her that way for however long visits are potentially restricted? My mom needs to me to show her how to work the tv remote and the computer each time I’m there - weekly - so, FaceTime probably isn’t going to happen. She does text though, so we can stay in touch that way, besides phone calls.
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Post by PLurker on Mar 11, 2020 1:10:06 GMT
Somewhat older population and, by all accounts, their health system has been completely overwhelmed. People who need ventilators, for example, but there aren't any available. This whole ventilator issue has me more worried than anything else right now. I find myself wishing today that IF I am going to get the Coronavirus that I get it earlier, rather than later, before our healthcare system is overwhelmed and crippled. And that I am thinking along those lines makes me anxious. I had my monthly infusion today at the clinic inside the hospital. The self check-in had additional questions to screen for the virus. In addition the same kind of thought came to me, "I'm here now it would be easier if it was to come to me eventually, now would be better than later." Weird to kind of wish yourself sick in a weird way.
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Post by rodeomom on Mar 11, 2020 1:14:35 GMT
This whole ventilator issue has me more worried than anything else right now. I find myself wishing today that IF I am going to get the Coronavirus that I get it earlier, rather than later, before our healthcare system is overwhelmed and crippled. And that I am thinking along those lines makes me anxious. I had my monthly infusion today at the clinic inside the hospital. The self check-in had additional questions to screen for the virus. In addition the same kind of thought came to me, "I'm here now it would be easier if it was to come to me eventually, now would be better than later." Weird to kind of wish yourself sick in a weird way. But "they" are saying you might be able to get it again. That would be us, just passing it around the family over and over again
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Post by mom on Mar 11, 2020 1:15:41 GMT
Is your mom able to use FaceTime so you can at least check in with her that way for however long visits are potentially restricted? My mom needs to me to show her how to work the tv remote and the computer each time I’m there - weekly - so, FaceTime probably isn’t going to happen. She does text though, so we can stay in touch that way, besides phone calls. DH's company is now restricting visitors across all their levels of care. He was telling me, though, that nurses + aides are offering to help the residents FaceTime their loved ones. You might see if someone would be able to help her FT you every now and then (especially if not seeing you upsets her).
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Post by Linda on Mar 11, 2020 1:27:45 GMT
Yep. It’s a little weird to think about, but makes me feel a little better that the facility is taking this seriously and acting to protect their residents. Unfortunately, can’t control what staff members do, and I’m hoping they are being as cautious in telling people not to come to work if they are sick. the nursing home my BIL runs - no visitors (per state dept of health effective yesterday - exceptions for end of life only) - employees are being screened as they get to work each day. Even before the state stepped in, they were rstricting vistors and refusing any with signs of illness
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Post by dewryce on Mar 11, 2020 1:28:26 GMT
Is your mom able to use FaceTime so you can at least check in with her that way for however long visits are potentially restricted? My mom needs to me to show her how to work the tv remote and the computer each time I’m there - weekly - so, FaceTime probably isn’t going to happen. She does text though, so we can stay in touch that way, besides phone calls. While you’re there tomorrow ask around. I bet there is staff there willing to help. DH workers at a skilled nursing facility and they aren’t taking any of these precautions or even discussing them at this point and it’s ticking me off.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 11, 2020 1:31:18 GMT
I’m not sure if it’s an option but I have seen ads for screens just for visiting loved ones. I wish I could remember what they are called. Of course that’s assuming that someone could set it up for your loved ones. This is going to be so hard on so many people. I’m glad they are taking precautions but some elderly aren’t going to understand what is happening.
Hugs to all this effects.
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Post by PLurker on Mar 11, 2020 1:34:28 GMT
I had my monthly infusion today at the clinic inside the hospital. The self check-in had additional questions to screen for the virus. In addition the same kind of thought came to me, "I'm here now it would be easier if it was to come to me eventually, now would be better than later." Weird to kind of wish yourself sick in a weird way. But "they" are saying you might be able to get it again. That would be us, just passing it around the family over and over again Yeah, and it makes no sense. (wishing for sickness now) But getting in now seems safer than later. Help available and get it over with. and I think you might build up some immunity if got again from first time. Who knows. It's all speculation and what-ifs at this point. I actually think I'm just as (or more) angry/frustrated than frightened in many ways. This whole thing is being handled so poorly here. Ridiculous when lives matter less than money and "numbers". DS commutes to college and has mentioned how guilty he'd feel if he brought it home to me. I said it wouldn't be his fault. He then said (jokingly) that even worse would be if I got in somewhere else as "DD would pin it on me anyway." When I saw DD today and conveyed that message, "I'd blame the government." was the (not joking and instant) reply. Point taken.
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Post by MichyM on Mar 11, 2020 1:43:44 GMT
This whole ventilator issue has me more worried than anything else right now. I find myself wishing today that IF I am going to get the Coronavirus that I get it earlier, rather than later, before our healthcare system is overwhelmed and crippled. And that I am thinking along those lines makes me anxious. I had my monthly infusion today at the clinic inside the hospital. The self check-in had additional questions to screen for the virus. In addition the same kind of thought came to me, "I'm here now it would be easier if it was to come to me eventually, now would be better than later." Weird to kind of wish yourself sick in a weird way. I was with a friend this afternoon and we discussed the exact same thing. Not really in a want to get it before everyone else, but more so want to get it over with so we don’t have to worry about infecting folks unknowingly. However, for all we know we’ve already had it and didn’t even know.
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Post by MichyM on Mar 11, 2020 1:47:29 GMT
My mom needs to me to show her how to work the tv remote and the computer each time I’m there - weekly - so, FaceTime probably isn’t going to happen. She does text though, so we can stay in touch that way, besides phone calls. DH's company is now restricting visitors across all their levels of care. He was telling me, though, that nurses + aides are offering to help the residents FaceTime their loved ones. You might see if someone would be able to help her FT you every now and then (especially if not seeing you upsets her). I get it, i really do. If you or someone else can get the app on her phone, really all she needs to do is answer when you call her. If I can do it, anyone can I dont know that I’ve ever initiated a FaceTime though!
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Post by dewryce on Mar 11, 2020 1:49:09 GMT
We’ve tried and just can’t find any more hand sanitizer so I think we are going to have to make some. But there are so many threads on the topic and I can’t find the sort of universally accepted one with the right ratio. Does anyone happen to remember who posted it?
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Post by MichyM on Mar 11, 2020 1:49:52 GMT
My mom needs to me to show her how to work the tv remote and the computer each time I’m there - weekly - so, FaceTime probably isn’t going to happen. She does text though, so we can stay in touch that way, besides phone calls. While you’re there tomorrow ask around. I bet there is staff there willing to help. DH workers at a skilled nursing facility and they aren’t taking any of these precautions or even discussing them at this point and it’s ticking me off. Whatvstate are you in again? I’m really peeved that it’s taken this long here in Seattle. This should have happened (no later than) after the second death at the first nursing home here :/
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 11, 2020 1:50:20 GMT
DH's company is now restricting visitors across all their levels of care. He was telling me, though, that nurses + aides are offering to help the residents FaceTime their loved ones. You might see if someone would be able to help her FT you every now and then (especially if not seeing you upsets her). I get it, i really do. If you or someone else can get the app on her phone, really all she needs to do is answer when you call her. If I can do it, anyone can I dont know that I’ve ever initiated a FaceTime though! It also depends how good the service is. Around here sometimes it works great and other times not at all. Definitely worth trying though.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 11, 2020 2:02:28 GMT
While you’re there tomorrow ask around. I bet there is staff there willing to help. DH workers at a skilled nursing facility and they aren’t taking any of these precautions or even discussing them at this point and it’s ticking me off. Whatvstate are you in again? I’m really peeved that it’s taken this long here in Seattle. This should have happened (no later than) after the second death at the first nursing home here :/ Texas. But so is mom and her DH’s company seems to be handling it well so it’s not a statewide issue as far as I know. Would love for the state health department to intervene though, it’s too late when it you already know it’s in residence. I join you in your anger. That nursing home situation is so heartbreaking and I’m absolutely terrified it’s going to play out across the country if all of these companies don’t get their stuff together. So irresponsible!
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Post by MichyM on Mar 11, 2020 2:15:31 GMT
When I think of cutting off visitors to nursing care facilities, all I can see in my mind are husbands or wives that visit their spouses daily. That will just kill them inside. Memory care centers and the like. How extra horrible to have needed to place your spouse for care, and yet through devotion to your vows have visited them daily despite. To have it stop like this. Ugh. I agree with you. Tonight on the local news they were talking about a woman who they spoke with outside one of the nursing homes. She was distraught. She and her husband have been married 64 years. Then boom, nope, you can’t see each other I was very grateful that they didn’t actually film her for on air, would have broken my heart.
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Post by PLurker on Mar 11, 2020 2:15:34 GMT
because I have so much faith in this administration handling this mess:
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Post by mom on Mar 11, 2020 2:35:35 GMT
Whatvstate are you in again? I’m really peeved that it’s taken this long here in Seattle. This should have happened (no later than) after the second death at the first nursing home here :/ Texas. But so is mom and her DH’s company seems to be handling it well so it’s not a statewide issue as far as I know. Would love for the state health department to intervene though, it’s too late when it you already know it’s in residence. I join you in your anger. That nursing home situation is so heartbreaking and I’m absolutely terrified it’s going to play out across the country if all of these companies don’t get their stuff together. So irresponsible! Yeah, DH's company seems to be on the ball. They have already been working on converting an old(er) unused memory care building into a makeshift 'sick ward' for any of their patients that are infected or have been exposed. They've shut down all worker travel to high risk areas (must report trip + self quarantine if head nurse feels its needed) and no visitors to any facilities. Even meetings with contractors + venders are now teleconference. All workers are screened before work + again, after their shift. DH and I are supposed to be headed to Vegas in early April and he isn't sure if he should go or not. He doesn't work directly with the patients as he has a Corporate job, but he also doesn't want to accidently infect a worker. They are having meetings with the Health Dept daily and they have established a plan that 'if' they have to enact it, they should be able to handle the first cases without too much panic/confusion. Nothing has been said about any state wide issues, but with cases already in Dallas and Oklahoma (we sit half way between the two), its just a matter of time.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 11, 2020 2:42:08 GMT
Texas. But so is mom and her DH’s company seems to be handling it well so it’s not a statewide issue as far as I know. Would love for the state health department to intervene though, it’s too late when it you already know it’s in residence. I join you in your anger. That nursing home situation is so heartbreaking and I’m absolutely terrified it’s going to play out across the country if all of these companies don’t get their stuff together. So irresponsible! Yeah, DH's company seems to be on the ball. They have already been working on converting an old(er) unused memory care building into a makeshift 'sick ward' for any of their patients that are infected or have been exposed. They've shut down all worker travel to high risk areas (must report trip + self quarantine if head nurse feels its needed) and no visitors to any facilities. Even meetings with contractors + venders are now teleconference. All workers are screened before work + again, after their shift. DH and I are supposed to be headed to Vegas in early April and he isn't sure if he should go or not. He doesn't work directly with the patients as he has a Corporate job, but he also doesn't want to accidently infect a worker. They are having meetings with the Health Dept daily and they have established a plan that 'if' they have to enact it, they should be able to handle the first cases without too much panic/confusion. Nothing has been said about any state wide issues, but with cases already in Dallas and Oklahoma (we sit half way between the two), its just a matter of time. I’m impressed by how is company is dealing with it, I hope it’s a large one so lots of facilities are protected and has good influence on others! We are dealing with the same issues, though DH is an OT so he deals with patients all day long for extended periods. We’ve made the decision to avoid really crowded places and large gatherings for now. But just realized we have tickets for 3 upcoming shows so...ugh.
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Post by yivit on Mar 11, 2020 2:43:30 GMT
We’ve tried and just can’t find any more hand sanitizer so I think we are going to have to make some. But there are so many threads on the topic and I can’t find the sort of universally accepted one with the right ratio. Does anyone happen to remember who posted it? I can't recall either, other than the finished product has to be AT LEAST 60% alcohol (more is better, CDC recommendations from what I recall are 60-95%) - anything lower is not effective enough. That said, if you have 91% isopropyl alcohol, a 2:1 ratio of alcohol to aloe vera gel (which is what I've seen most, but you could just use glycerine) would put you just above the 60% (60.67%). That would leave a LITTLE wiggle room for essential oils or vanilla or whatever floats your boat (isn't going to help really with the disinfecting properties). 91% isopropyl may be hard to find now, too - who knows? If you were really hard-pressed to DIY, you COULD get some 190 proof Everclear (that's 95% alcohol) and substitute it for the isporopyl. Disclaimer: I'm only PARTIALLY joking - 190 proof grain alcohol would definitely have the properties you're looking for, but then you're potentially carrying around what would be considered by some LEOs as an open container. 2nd disclaimer: If you DID try the Everclear method, you have to make sure it's the 190 proof (or the 189 proof if you're in one of the states that doesn't allow 190) for that 2:1 ratio to be at or above the minimum 60%. If all you can find is 151 proof it would have to be 4:1 to barely stay above 60% and that's probably going to be a bit runny. Third disclaimer: The above mods to ratios would hold true for drugstore isopropyl or ethyl rubbing alcohol at less than 91% too - gotta recalculate ratios and then take into account that the more liquid from the alcohol, the less gel/squirt-bottle friendly the result will be. The WHO has "DIY" recipes. They're for larger production than just home, but they WILL work. Oh, and if you look at the WHO link you will see a small amount of hydrogen peroxide is used in both of their recipes. This is to deal with any contaminants in what you make. I suppose you could introduce some H2O2 into the recipes up top, but if you're making small batches you'll be using it before it can set up any Petri dish scenario. If you insist on using it, you'll have to adjust your ratios to account for that 3% introduction now diluting your alcohol percentage. If you took it out of the aloe/glycerine, you would be good.
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Post by mom on Mar 11, 2020 2:46:36 GMT
Yeah, DH's company seems to be on the ball. They have already been working on converting an old(er) unused memory care building into a makeshift 'sick ward' for any of their patients that are infected or have been exposed. They've shut down all worker travel to high risk areas (must report trip + self quarantine if head nurse feels its needed) and no visitors to any facilities. Even meetings with contractors + venders are now teleconference. All workers are screened before work + again, after their shift. DH and I are supposed to be headed to Vegas in early April and he isn't sure if he should go or not. He doesn't work directly with the patients as he has a Corporate job, but he also doesn't want to accidently infect a worker. They are having meetings with the Health Dept daily and they have established a plan that 'if' they have to enact it, they should be able to handle the first cases without too much panic/confusion. Nothing has been said about any state wide issues, but with cases already in Dallas and Oklahoma (we sit half way between the two), its just a matter of time. I’m impressed by how is company is dealing with it, I hope it’s a large one so lots of facilities are protected and has good influence on others! We are dealing with the same issues, though DH is an OT so he deals with patients all day long for extended periods. We’ve made the decision to avoid really crowded places and large gatherings for now. But just realized we have tickets for 3 upcoming shows so...ugh.AL Its a decently large company - 13 properties that cover Independent Living, Assisted Living, Nursing Homes, Rehabs, and Memory Care Homes.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 11, 2020 2:48:42 GMT
Thanks so much yivit, I really appreciate the time you took to type that out!
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 11, 2020 2:49:00 GMT
My university just grounded us from travel :/.
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