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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 17, 2020 14:56:52 GMT
Yesterday when the phases rolled out I did worry about going back to school. I'm ready to go back, BUT I'm not sure how they'd safely do it. Any type of social distancing would be nearly impossible. Do they have enough masks because I'd want several for one day. Some won't come back, so do I teach 24/7 to accommodate home and school learning? There are just a lot of chances to spread germs and I think it's too early. I was thinking about how my school would do this. We have 3000+ kids. My classes are right around 34 each, and my room won't hold 34 with enough distance between everyone. Adding new clasrooms isn't really an option, we don't have the space or resources to hire enough teachers. So how could it work? I was thinking - they could cut the classes in half - so 17 per class. But then timewise, you would need to cut the time as well - maybe 30 minute classes instead of 55? You'd see fewer kids each class, so maybe you wouldn't need as much time. But you would need lots of sanitizer! The other option I see is doing a hybrid in person/online thing - half the kids are in person each day, the other half do online. My kid goes to an elementary school with a max capacity of something like 975 kids. They are running very close to capacity because the district recently closed several outlying elementary schools that had very low attendance to save money and redistricted to shift all those kids to the remaining schools. Some of those former school buildings, etc. have already been sold, so simply reopening those schools isn’t even an option. The building my kid goes to is an open concept school with flexible classroom spaces, etc. I don’t see how, with as many kids as there are and the physical setup of the school, it would even be possible to practice good social distancing in that environment. Personally, I’m not going to be comfortable going out and about in crowded places until there is a vaccine and a good percentage of people are actually vaccinated.
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 17, 2020 15:06:40 GMT
I’m going as soon as they’re open. We have Disney reservations June 1. I realize chances are incredibly slim at this point, but if they’re open, we’re going. Zero hesitation. ETA: We are not at home people. We have big events every day. It’s not unusual for us to be at the theatre two or three times a week, concerts once a month, trips once a month, NASCAR season tickets, Indy races, Disney, Disney on Ice, memberships to every museum, lectures. Life is pointless without those things. All the time we are spending in quarantine is wasted time that we can never get back. Life isn’t worth living like this. I am 100% on board with reopening. You are fascinating. What would happen if you couldn’t afford these things, would you decide life wasn’t worth living? I am missing most of the things you listed as well, we had a ton of special events cancelled (not everyday do we have big events, school and work kind of put a damper on that, but we do things every weekend even if it is just a hike) but we are finding things to do at home to help pass the time that still make life enjoyable.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 15:11:00 GMT
I’m going as soon as they’re open. We have Disney reservations June 1. I realize chances are incredibly slim at this point, but if they’re open, we’re going. Zero hesitation. ETA: We are not at home people. We have big events every day. It’s not unusual for us to be at the theatre two or three times a week, concerts once a month, trips once a month, NASCAR season tickets, Indy races, Disney, Disney on Ice, memberships to every museum, lectures. Life is pointless without those things. All the time we are spending in quarantine is wasted time that we can never get back. Life isn’t worth living like this. I am 100% on board with reopening. You are fascinating. What would happen if you couldn’t afford these things, would you decide life wasn’t worth living? I am missing most of the things you listed as well, we had a ton of special events cancelled (not everyday do we have big events, school and work kind of put a damper on that, but we do things every weekend even if it is just a hike) but we are finding things to do at home to help pass the time that still make life enjoyable. I guess if I couldn’t afford them I wouldn’t know what we were missing 🤷🏻♀️ We have “stuff” to do. We’re building LEGO (LEGO has been the biggest line item in our budget this month, I’ve let the kids order all they want), we’re playing a new game every day, we have puzzles, and books. But it’s all just empty. We aren’t moving forward. Just repeating the same day every day. How can people find purpose in that? Our homeschooling is not suited to being at home. This just isn’t how we live.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Apr 17, 2020 15:23:39 GMT
I don't know. I haven't thought much about it. I'm glad our Governor is saying that despite other states "opening" MA will not be one right now. He wants more testing and more PPE before entertaining reopening the economy. In the last 24 hours we've had 2,263 new cases bringing the total to 32,181 with 1,245 deaths. The Governor has said he wants these numbers down before opening the economy. I just hope he sticks to his guns.
I know work is trying to figure out the best approach. We've been been transitioning to open concept non-assigned seating (think Google/Yahoo places like that). I work for a financial services firm and we all hate it. We used to joke that one flu would take everyone out. So now the PTB are re-evaluating the plan. God willing I'll be able to keep my little cube.
I don't have any plans other than I'm waiting to hear when Alli Wong is rescheduling her Boston shows. It was supposed to be April 25th. I guess, depending, on when I'll decided whether or not I'll attend.
In all honesty I'm going to probably "hang back" on resuming normal activities (concerts, restaurants, bars, etc) for a while. Health care professionals (here at least) seem to be of the opinion that this is going to hit in 2 waves. So I'm going to stock up on stuff I need an prepare for wave 2.
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Post by tracylynn on Apr 17, 2020 15:27:59 GMT
You are fascinating. What would happen if you couldn’t afford these things, would you decide life wasn’t worth living? I am missing most of the things you listed as well, we had a ton of special events cancelled (not everyday do we have big events, school and work kind of put a damper on that, but we do things every weekend even if it is just a hike) but we are finding things to do at home to help pass the time that still make life enjoyable. I guess if I couldn’t afford them I wouldn’t know what we were missing 🤷🏻♀️ We have “stuff” to do. We’re building LEGO (LEGO has been the biggest line item in our budget this month, I’ve let the kids order all they want), we’re playing a new game every day, we have puzzles, and books. But it’s all just empty. We aren’t moving forward. Just repeating the same day every day. How can people find purpose in that? Our homeschooling is not suited to being at home. This just isn’t how we live. Is it really not enough to be home with your family, spending quality time putting puzzles and Legos together, reading books and playing games knowing that you're all safe and healthy? There's nothing of value in that at all? You ARE moving forward, just not in a way you're used to. I live alone. My family is over a 5 hour drive from me. What I wouldn't give to "not be moving forward" with them right now.
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Post by tracylynn on Apr 17, 2020 15:29:08 GMT
To answer the OPs question, I don't do a lot of those things normally, so for me the answer is when the vaccine is released and a majority of the population has it.
I have asthma. I'm not playing roulette with my health on this one.
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Post by Why on Apr 17, 2020 15:31:42 GMT
When there have been no new cases in my county for several months I might venture out to Dollar Tree. I fully expect there to be a second wave of this virus and if people are back to "normal" it may be worse than the first.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 15:32:04 GMT
I guess if I couldn’t afford them I wouldn’t know what we were missing 🤷🏻♀️ We have “stuff” to do. We’re building LEGO (LEGO has been the biggest line item in our budget this month, I’ve let the kids order all they want), we’re playing a new game every day, we have puzzles, and books. But it’s all just empty. We aren’t moving forward. Just repeating the same day every day. How can people find purpose in that? Our homeschooling is not suited to being at home. This just isn’t how we live. Is it really not enough to be home with your family, spending quality time putting puzzles and Legos together, reading books and playing games knowing that you're all safe and healthy? There's nothing of value in that at all? You ARE moving forward, just not in a way you're used to. I live alone. My family is over a 5 hour drive from me. What I wouldn't give to "not be moving forward" with them right now. I am happy we are all together. If this lasts a month or two, fine. But longer? I’d rather go out and take our chances than be safe, but not really living.
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Post by birukitty on Apr 17, 2020 15:32:11 GMT
Two things: 1. When there's a vaccine. 2. When there's a treatment that is proven to work. Right now, doctors are trying whatever they can to treat this, but mostly it's just support until either the person's immune system is able to fight the virus off, or they die. If we were to actually come up with a working protocol - and enough equipment and drugs to treat anyone who needs it - that would be a gamechanger. Pyccku's answer is mine too. I value my life and those of my family much more than any experience. I am a patient person and I can wait. Before this I enjoyed concerts and museums. Sports hold no interest to me unless it's figure skating and writing this reminds me of the time my father, sister and I spent 4-5 days in Boston at the World's Figure Skating Championships a few years ago so I guess I have gone to a big venue with huge crowds to see a sporting event. However I don't mind this time at home. I'm an introvert and have plenty of things to keep my mind busy. I read, spent time on my computer, enjoy my new hobby of knitting (this is taking up most of my time now), can get back into scrapbooking if I have a fancy too, and the hours fly by each day. My number 1 passion is travel and exploring new countries so I'm not a total homebody. With books however you can go anywhere your imagination and the author takes you.
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Post by Tamhugh on Apr 17, 2020 15:36:17 GMT
DS and I were supposed to be in Disney this weekend and We had a large family trip planned for the end of June. I have already cancelled that trip. I will miss concerts and sporting events this summer but I don't think I would be comfortable in those crowds for awhile.
I don't feel like my life is empty at all right now. DO I miss certain things and people? Of course. But I keep busy. I have virtual happy hours with friends and chat with family. I would rather come out of this in a few months with all of my friends and family alive and healthy than have a lot of fun things to do right now.
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Post by christine58 on Apr 17, 2020 15:37:41 GMT
Personally I would go as soon as they open, BUT I'm not sure how we keep at risk people safe. And chances are that even people considered 'more at risk' will decide to go...how do you care for that? We can only control ourselves. We can only protect ourselves. If those at risk cannot "get that"..nothing we can do other than protect ourselves.
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Post by jenjie on Apr 17, 2020 15:39:29 GMT
You are fascinating. What would happen if you couldn’t afford these things, would you decide life wasn’t worth living? I am missing most of the things you listed as well, we had a ton of special events cancelled (not everyday do we have big events, school and work kind of put a damper on that, but we do things every weekend even if it is just a hike) but we are finding things to do at home to help pass the time that still make life enjoyable. I guess if I couldn’t afford them I wouldn’t know what we were missing 🤷🏻♀️ We have “stuff” to do. We’re building LEGO (LEGO has been the biggest line item in our budget this month, I’ve let the kids order all they want), we’re playing a new game every day, we have puzzles, and books. But it’s all just empty. We aren’t moving forward. Just repeating the same day every day. How can people find purpose in that? Our homeschooling is not suited to being at home. This just isn’t how we live. Hmmm what could you do? Can you take walks? Sidewalk chalk or uplifting signs in the windows? Think up nice things to do for others? Drive to a friend or family and have a surprise social distance visit from the driveway? Collaborate on a small pick me up gift to send to your favorite people? Order from amazon and don’t tell them it’s coming. Do a virtual tour of museums or such? Today my friend’s kid’s class did virtual tours of The American Revolutionary Museum and the Philadelphia Seaport Museum.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 17, 2020 15:42:22 GMT
If the curve flattens and there are not spikes, I could go back to sporting events pretty quickly. I wouldn't go now because I know that we are flattening the curve, but at some point, when the experts, not the idiot in the white house, says it is okay to go back, I will.
I have concert tickets at the end of August. If they deem that school is safe to go back, and they allow the concert, I would go...I think
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Post by garcia5050 on Apr 17, 2020 15:43:50 GMT
I just read an article about that naval ship. They tested everyone. Of the 600 sailors who tested positive, 60% have no symptoms. That’s game-changing information. I also think I’ll feel more comfortable attending events when a viable treatment or immunization is available. I’m perfectly fine at home. But we also enjoy going to concerts and attending sporting events. We have Rams season tickets and have purchased all the concerts for this summer. I doubt any of those will happen, and that’s ok. I’d rather attend events like this in a worry free environment. I also hope we get to a point where there is a five minute test, and maybe you have to take the test for admittance. My job is talking about bringing people back to work when this sort is testing is available. Based on that asymptomatic rate, it may be necessary until the vaccine is widespread.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 15:46:17 GMT
I guess if I couldn’t afford them I wouldn’t know what we were missing 🤷🏻♀️ We have “stuff” to do. We’re building LEGO (LEGO has been the biggest line item in our budget this month, I’ve let the kids order all they want), we’re playing a new game every day, we have puzzles, and books. But it’s all just empty. We aren’t moving forward. Just repeating the same day every day. How can people find purpose in that? Our homeschooling is not suited to being at home. This just isn’t how we live. Hmmm what could you do? Can you take walks? Sidewalk chalk or uplifting signs in the windows? Think up nice things to do for others? Drive to a friend or family and have a surprise social distance visit from the driveway? Collaborate on a small pick me up gift to send to your favorite people? Order from amazon and don’t tell them it’s coming. Do a virtual tour of museums or such? Today my friend’s kid’s class did virtual tours of The American Revolutionary Museum and the Philadelphia Seaport Museum. I know you’re trying to help, so thank you. We’re already doing most of those things. We take walks every day. We have done sidewalk art and decorated the windows. I’ve ordered them so many surprises (although not from amazon, takes forever...Target we get in less than 24 hours). We hate virtual tours and virtual field trips. Just reminds us we can’t go there in person. It’s not a matter of not having things to do, it’s a matter of not being fulfilled because we can’t do the things that matter to us.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 17, 2020 15:56:31 GMT
I’m going as soon as they’re open. We have Disney reservations June 1. I realize chances are incredibly slim at this point, but if they’re open, we’re going. Zero hesitation. ETA: We are not at home people. We have big events every day. It’s not unusual for us to be at the theatre two or three times a week, concerts once a month, trips once a month, NASCAR season tickets, Indy races, Disney, Disney on Ice, memberships to every museum, lectures. Life is pointless without those things. All the time we are spending in quarantine is wasted time that we can never get back. Life isn’t worth living like this. I am 100% on board with reopening. I must be more of an introvert than I thought, because most of that stuff sounds exhausting to me. Or maybe I’m just really cheap, or have different priorities LOL. I like Disney probably more than most, but even that I couldn’t justify doing more than once every 5-10 years. Case in point: a couple years ago we have friends that wanted to go to our local science museum for a day. DH and I had been members years ago, and for the cost of three admissions to go once, it seemed to make sense to spend a little more and get an annual family membership. We literally went ONE other time. By the time everyone is home from work and school and considering travel time during rush hour, going on a weeknight wasn’t really an option. Weekends were also not a great option for going because we typically go to our lake place from Friday afternoon through Sunday night 2/3 of the year, plus DH dislikes doing anything if it involves being in a hoard of people. It was totally not worth spending the $150 to us. My DH would rather be outside and DD is a homebody. We’d rather be at the lake cabin with friends or out in a boat on the water, or for me even staying home making stuff is better than having to be constantly on the move (partly because doing so would mean dragging my unwilling family along with me). Not to mention the health of me and my family is worth far more to me than this temporary blip on the radar. If any one of us got seriously ill it would be a huge, expensive problem in part because it’s just the three of us and we don’t have a big social safety net. If DH or I got really, really ill for an extended time we’d be pretty screwed, and if one of us died at this point it would be devastating. We have a pretty nice life and I feel like we have a lot to lose by jumping back to the way things were too quickly.
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Post by Dallie on Apr 17, 2020 16:08:26 GMT
Hmmm what could you do? Can you take walks? Sidewalk chalk or uplifting signs in the windows? Think up nice things to do for others? Drive to a friend or family and have a surprise social distance visit from the driveway? Collaborate on a small pick me up gift to send to your favorite people? Order from amazon and don’t tell them it’s coming. Do a virtual tour of museums or such? Today my friend’s kid’s class did virtual tours of The American Revolutionary Museum and the Philadelphia Seaport Museum. I know you’re trying to help, so thank you. We’re already doing most of those things. We take walks every day. We have done sidewalk art and decorated the windows. I’ve ordered them so many surprises (although not from amazon, takes forever...Target we get in less than 24 hours). We hate virtual tours and virtual field trips. Just reminds us we can’t go there in person. It’s not a matter of not having things to do, it’s a matter of not being fulfilled because we can’t do the things that matter to us. So if for some reason, you lost the financial resources for all these entertainment activities and there was no hope of getting the discretionary money replenished in the future, could you recalibrate your attitude? Could you find a way to be fulfilled without going out all the time as entertainment consumers? Do you see any value to find other ways to fulfillment? Or would life not be worth living if you could not afford to live this entertainment consumption lifestyle? And what does that mean...life not worth living? Would you kill yourself?
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Post by sueg on Apr 17, 2020 16:11:44 GMT
I feel like we have a lot to lose by jumping back to the way things were too quickly. That was the major message to come out of the press conference by the German Goverment on Wednesday. We have done a good job of containing this so far, and we need to be cautious about relaxing restrictions too quickly, as we risk a second wave. We've been on lockdown here since mid-March and the strict conditions will last until May 3. Then we will have a staged re-opening, with some restrictions in place until the end of summer at least. We were told today that it is 'extremely unlikely' that we will be able to travel to others countries this summer - and that was other European countries, let alone further afield.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 17, 2020 16:13:44 GMT
Hamilton tickets go on sale next week for a fall performance, I'm planning on buying them and will attend if they put on the show.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Apr 17, 2020 16:20:32 GMT
I just read an article about that naval ship. They tested everyone. Of the 600 sailors who tested positive, 60% have no symptoms. That’s game-changing information. There would seem to be far more asymptomatic people than any of the experts previously thought. I am cautiously optimistic about the restrictions loosening back up. I do hope it's done thoughtfully and slowly. I will participate in activities the same way... thoughtfully and slowly. Businesses need to resume, schools need to be open, and medical services for well-care and prevention need to be offered again. I have no doubt that much will 'look' different, but we need to figure out what that different is and begin moving toward that.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 17, 2020 16:25:06 GMT
I just read an article about that naval ship. They tested everyone. Of the 600 sailors who tested positive, 60% have no symptoms. That’s game-changing information. There would seem to be far more asymptomatic people than any of the experts previously thought. I am cautiously optimistic about the restrictions loosening back up. I do hope it's done thoughtfully and slowly. I will participate in activities the same way... thoughtfully and slowly. Businesses need to resume, schools need to be open, and medical services for well-care and prevention need to be offered again. I have no doubt that much will 'look' different, but we need to figure out what that different is and begin moving toward that. while asymptomatic is definitely true, so is every ventilator being used.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Apr 17, 2020 16:38:29 GMT
We aren’t really large venue people anymore, but I like to travel and have to travel to see my family since we live in different states, so planes and airports will be my issue. Driving doesn’t really work when you can only take a week off at a time from work.
I’ll just have to be hyper vigilant about hygiene and not touching my face. Masks suck for me. I wear one when I go to the grocery store ( the only place I’ve been besides a couple days at work in the last month), but it’s horrible. I have allergies, so my nose runs constantly behind my mask. By the time I get to my car and can take my mask off and blow or wipe my nose (after I’ve sanitized my hands) I’m ready to scream.
I won’t be first in line for a vaccine. Not to say I’ll never get vaccinated, but my fear is the unknown future side affects. We won’t know long term side affects of a vaccine for years. Will we see commercials in 20 years saying “if you or a loved one has died of “whatever” due to the Covid19 vaccine you may be entitled to a settlement”? It’s all just so much in a short amount of time. Then there is the whole-will it mutate and become a different strain question. There are just so many questions right now and I hear so many differing things. It’s hard to know any right answer. Heck, the experts can’t decide if wearing a mask is even helpful and what types are good enough for the general public and it’s been 3 months since the first U.S. case was confirmed and longer than that in other countries. Those are just tip of the iceberg questions for me. I have a ton more. Do I want to live a paranoid life? Heck no! Do I want to keep my elderly stepdad and other health compromised people safe? Absolutely! Is my stepdad suffering because he’s completely alone and suffering from loneliness and still grieving my Mother’s passing in November? 100% yes! Where do we get the answers to all of these questions? How do we know when it’s ok? No one knows the answers right now and it’s frustrating!
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Post by pilcas on Apr 17, 2020 16:42:01 GMT
right now I don’t feel the need to go to any large venue. I would probably go to a museum or gallery rather than a concert or sports event which are more crowded. It is human nature to forget the bad so I think if the virus does die down people will return to these events sooner rather than later.
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Post by yodutchess on Apr 17, 2020 16:49:29 GMT
I love going to the gym and group exercise classes. I don’t know what point I feel comfortable returning. Definitely When there is a vaccine. But I am gaining weight without the daily gym, despite effort to exercise on my own.
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Post by jenjie on Apr 17, 2020 16:52:49 GMT
myshelly do you scrapbook? have you already scrapped your events and outings? If not, that could be a fun family activity as you take a trip down memory lane and remember the fun you’ve had together as a family.
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Post by katlady on Apr 17, 2020 16:53:41 GMT
We have tickets to Comic Con, which is in mid-July. I seriously doubt it is happening, but if for some weird reason the show still goes on, we probably would NOT go. There are just too many people, the crowds are huge, and you are constantly walking shoulder to shoulder with someone. I will be sad, but I rather not chance it.
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Post by maryland on Apr 17, 2020 17:01:26 GMT
Our college daughter is on the dance team and they perform at all football, basketball games and other sporting events. We have season ticket for football and basketball, so we will go. Their football stadium seats over 50,000 and basketball seats about 12,000. If they don't allow anyone at football games, not even sure if they will allow dance and cheer to be there. I hope things are better by the fall!
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 17, 2020 17:07:01 GMT
Who knows. Right now everything is changing day to day. I imagine I'll feel comfortable when we have most of population vaccinated.
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Post by inkedup on Apr 17, 2020 17:11:15 GMT
You are fascinating. What would happen if you couldn’t afford these things, would you decide life wasn’t worth living? I am missing most of the things you listed as well, we had a ton of special events cancelled (not everyday do we have big events, school and work kind of put a damper on that, but we do things every weekend even if it is just a hike) but we are finding things to do at home to help pass the time that still make life enjoyable. I guess if I couldn’t afford them I wouldn’t know what we were missing 🤷🏻♀️ We have “stuff” to do. We’re building LEGO (LEGO has been the biggest line item in our budget this month, I’ve let the kids order all they want), we’re playing a new game every day, we have puzzles, and books. But it’s all just empty. We aren’t moving forward. Just repeating the same day every day. How can people find purpose in that? Our homeschooling is not suited to being at home. This just isn’t how we live. Oh, the sanctimony. You really atr something else.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 17:13:32 GMT
I guess if I couldn’t afford them I wouldn’t know what we were missing 🤷🏻♀️ We have “stuff” to do. We’re building LEGO (LEGO has been the biggest line item in our budget this month, I’ve let the kids order all they want), we’re playing a new game every day, we have puzzles, and books. But it’s all just empty. We aren’t moving forward. Just repeating the same day every day. How can people find purpose in that? Our homeschooling is not suited to being at home. This just isn’t how we live. Oh, the sanctimony. You really atr something else. How are my feelings sanctimonious?
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