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Post by jenjie on Apr 17, 2020 17:18:35 GMT
We all have different things that appeal to us and things that drive us a little bit crazy. 😊 myshelly the more I think about it, you might be the ideal person for some of the online learning going on. There are many courses being offered. Cooking classes, learn a new language, book clubs. I think there are quite a few either free or discounted. But if not, maybe some of the budget you would use on outings could be spent for this instead.
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Post by inkedup on Apr 17, 2020 17:19:29 GMT
Oh, the sanctimony. You really atr something else. How are my feelings sanctimonious? You are correct. Your attitude on this particular thread is not sanctimonious (I was thinking of your responses on the thread about traveling to see a 90 year old relative). Your attitude here is simply obnoxious and kind of sad. You fill your post with humble brags about all the things you can afford to do and buy, then say life isn't worth living without those things. You might think life isn't worth living without a bunch of material goods, but what about people who have to make do with far less? Would you say their lives are not worth living? Or maybe their lives are more fulfilling since they don't feel the need to fill them with material goods and expensive outings 🤷♀️ And before I get accused of being jealous: our finances are fine and our kids have far more than they need. We have a full and happy life. A life that is worth living regardless of where we go or what we can afford to buy.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 17, 2020 17:24:13 GMT
ETA: We are not at home people. We have big events every day. It’s not unusual for us to be at the theatre two or three times a week, concerts once a month, trips once a month, NASCAR season tickets, Indy races, Disney, Disney on Ice, memberships to every museum, lectures. Life is pointless without those things. All the time we are spending in quarantine is wasted time that we can never get back. Life isn’t worth living like this. I am 100% on board with reopening. I'm not trying to pick on you, but since I've seen you say this same thing a couple different times, I do want to ask- are you saying that your life isn't worth living? period- full stop? because that might be what happens. Do you really think that lecture or NASCAR race is worth your LIFE? Or your husband's life? or any of your elderly family member's lives, if you happen to transmit it to them? I obviously don't have the same sort of lifestyle, because I can NOT comprehend this viewpoint at all. ETA: do you TALK to the people you're living with? get to KNOW them as people, not just as event-going companions? My DH and I can talk for HOURS and the conversation can range from a tv show we just watched to childhood memories, to scientific topics, to religious ones... our first date was basically a 7-hour conversation. Read a book? re-watch a favorite movie? these activities aren't 'empty' to me. I must also be a lot more introverted than I thought, too- as long as I have some human and animal interaction, I can live 'in my mind' just fine. There's just the two of us and our pets- and because we have dogs as well as cats, we don't do a lot of 'stuff' that keeps us away from home for hours upon hours at a time. I miss stopping in to a thrift store or a craft store and browsing, but going to a CROWDED venue like a sporting event? When doing it might be at the expense of my long-term health or possibly my life? no way. Not until there's a reliable antibody test and/or a vaccine.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 17:28:45 GMT
We all have different things that appeal to us and things that drive us a little bit crazy. 😊 myshelly the more I think about it, you might be the ideal person for some of the online leaning going on. There are many courses being offered. Cooking classes, learn a new language, book clubs. I think there are quite a few either free or discounted. But if not, maybe some of the budget you would use on outings could be spent for this instead. I’m in a book club for adults and run a book club for kids. We have moved them both online and I hate them. I really don’t like doing anything online. It’s just a poor substitute for the actual thing and makes me even more sad than doing nothing. All of these online things are just reminders of what we don’t have access to in real life. We don’t even own a computer because we don’t like doing stuff like that online.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 17, 2020 17:31:44 GMT
We don’t even own a computer because we don’t like doing stuff like that online. well, there's a huge problem, then!! if you don't even own a computer, it's no wonder you don't like doing things online- you CAN'T! How can you have school-age children and NOT have access to a computer, if you have the financial resources to own one? that's nuts in my opinion. A computer is basically the modern day equivalent to having a set of encyclopedias.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 17:32:28 GMT
ETA: We are not at home people. We have big events every day. It’s not unusual for us to be at the theatre two or three times a week, concerts once a month, trips once a month, NASCAR season tickets, Indy races, Disney, Disney on Ice, memberships to every museum, lectures. Life is pointless without those things. All the time we are spending in quarantine is wasted time that we can never get back. Life isn’t worth living like this. I am 100% on board with reopening. I'm not trying to pick on you, but since I've seen you say this same thing a couple different times, I do want to ask- are you saying that your life isn't worth living? period- full stop? because that might be what happens. Do you really think that lecture or NASCAR race is worth your LIFE? Or your husband's life? or any of your elderly family member's lives, if you happen to transmit it to them? I obviously don't have the same sort of lifestyle, because I can NOT comprehend this viewpoint at all. There's just the two of us and our pets- and because we have dogs as well as cats, we don't do a lot of 'stuff' that keeps us away from home for hours upon hours at a time. I miss stopping in to a thrift store or a craft store and browsing, but going to a CROWDED venue like a sporting event? When doing it might be at the expense of my long-term health or possibly my life? no way. Not until there's a reliable antibody test and/or a vaccine. I don’t want to live like this, period, full stop. This is not my life, this is just existing. I’m NOT saying I’m suicidal now, but I am saying that I 100% support reopening everything and taking my chances with the virus. If others don’t feel safe, that’s fine, they can stay home. But I think everyone should be able to make their own choices about where they go and who they see.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 17:33:45 GMT
We don’t even own a computer because we don’t like doing stuff like that online. well, there's a huge problem, then!! if you don't even own a computer, it's no wonder you don't like doing things online- you CAN'T! How can you have school-age children and NOT have access to a computer, if you have the financial resources to own one? that's nuts in my opinion. A computer is basically the modern day equivalent to having a set of encyclopedias. The kids have iPhones if they need to google anything. That’s the equivalent of encyclopedias. The kids music lessons are video lessons now. They suck compared to in person meetings. Book clubs are through zoom. Just makes me sad I’m not actually with those people. We have the internet, we’ve tried those things, you don’t have to have a computer to do them. We just don’t like them, so we don’t need a computer.
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Post by padresfan619 on Apr 17, 2020 17:40:51 GMT
I will not be going to any large venues any time soon. I do not trust the general public to monitor themselves and their symptoms, and the virus doesn’t show symptoms in many people either. I can’t chance catching something and bringing it to my parents or grandparents. No event is worth their lives.
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Post by stittsygirl on Apr 17, 2020 17:44:30 GMT
We’re not venue people either. None of us like big crowds, so we don’t feel like we’re missing much and definitely prefer to be at home. We did have tickets to The Book of Mormon musical next month, so I’m sure that will be postponed. That was our only big family event this year though. We were thinking about Disneyland again but that wouldn’t be until after my husband was home next year anyway.
I really want to be able to walk on the beach and hike in the mountains again, but we’ll see how crowded things get when they open again.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 17, 2020 17:44:40 GMT
I gotta say, I partially disagree with you about the computer vs. iphone thing-- it's a lot more fun and enjoyable to watch a youtube video (or broadway show) or browse Instagram, or look up a topic for a term paper on a computer screen instead of a tiny phone screen. I am saying that I 100% support reopening everything and taking my chances with the virus. If others don’t feel safe, that’s fine, they can stay home. But I think everyone should be able to make their own choices about where they go and who they see. yeah, but the problem is, anyone- even someone asymptomatic- can transmit it to someone else without even knowing they have it. So your decision to go somewhere affects EVERY PERSON who might touch the same surface after you did. Your decision does NOT just affect YOU.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 17:48:06 GMT
I gotta say, I partially disagree with you about the computer vs. iphone thing-- it's a lot more fun and enjoyable to watch a youtube video (or broadway show) or browse Instagram, or look up a topic for a term paper on a computer screen instead of a tiny phone screen. We watch YouTube on the tv. Giant screen. We watch Broadway shows in person, nothing on video will ever compare no matter how big the screen.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 17:49:21 GMT
I gotta say, I partially disagree with you about the computer vs. iphone thing-- it's a lot more fun and enjoyable to watch a youtube video (or broadway show) or browse Instagram, or look up a topic for a term paper on a computer screen instead of a tiny phone screen. I am saying that I 100% support reopening everything and taking my chances with the virus. If others don’t feel safe, that’s fine, they can stay home. But I think everyone should be able to make their own choices about where they go and who they see. yeah, but the problem is, anyone- even someone asymptomatic- can transmit it to someone else without even knowing they have it. So your decision to go somewhere affects EVERY PERSON who might touch the same surface after you did. Your decision does NOT just affect YOU. All the people who are touching the surface after me would be people who also CHOSE to go out and people who don’t make that CHOICE would be at home. If your choice is to stay home, we wouldn’t come in contact.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 17, 2020 17:53:29 GMT
All the people who are touching the surface after me would be people who also CHOSE to go out and people who don’t make that CHOICE would be at home. If your choice is to stay home, we wouldn’t come in contact. except for the people who HAVE to WORK at those venues so that you can CHOOSE to go there.
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Post by artbabe on Apr 17, 2020 17:54:37 GMT
We were supposed to go to Disney World in June. We can move it to July, but not August because of marching band. I don't think it is going to happen. I guess it gives me another year to save money for it. That is the only big venue place I want to go to.
I do not want to go back to school this year. There is no way the kids will social distance and I'm 54 and have had breathing problems in the past.
I think I'd feel safe going back to school in the Fall. I'll feel safe going to Disney World next year. But who knows? What we know about the virus changes all of the time.
I live by myself. I would love more than anything to play Lego with my nephew. The fact that someone gets to do that with their kids and doesn't think that makes life worth living? Shaking my head. That comes from such a place of privilege. A lot of people go through life doing none of the things listed and they still have meaningful lives.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Apr 17, 2020 17:54:58 GMT
I gotta say, I partially disagree with you about the computer vs. iphone thing-- it's a lot more fun and enjoyable to watch a youtube video (or broadway show) or browse Instagram, or look up a topic for a term paper on a computer screen instead of a tiny phone screen. yeah, but the problem is, anyone- even someone asymptomatic- can transmit it to someone else without even knowing they have it. So your decision to go somewhere affects EVERY PERSON who might touch the same surface after you did. Your decision does NOT just affect YOU. All the people who are touching the surface after me would be people who also CHOSE to go out and people who don’t make that CHOICE would be at home. If your choice is to stay home, we wouldn’t come in contact. And what about the people who have to chose between going back to work to open up all these venues for you or losing their jobs? Are they really able to make a free choice?
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Post by psiluvu on Apr 17, 2020 17:55:22 GMT
I gotta say, I partially disagree with you about the computer vs. iphone thing-- it's a lot more fun and enjoyable to watch a youtube video (or broadway show) or browse Instagram, or look up a topic for a term paper on a computer screen instead of a tiny phone screen. yeah, but the problem is, anyone- even someone asymptomatic- can transmit it to someone else without even knowing they have it. So your decision to go somewhere affects EVERY PERSON who might touch the same surface after you did. Your decision does NOT just affect YOU. All the people who are touching the surface after me would be people who also CHOSE to go out and people who don’t make that CHOICE would be at home. If your choice is to stay home, we wouldn’t come in contact. Wow just Wow!! how shallow and vacuous!!
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 17:55:34 GMT
All the people who are touching the surface after me would be people who also CHOSE to go out and people who don’t make that CHOICE would be at home. If your choice is to stay home, we wouldn’t come in contact. except for the people who HAVE to WORK at those venues so that you can CHOOSE to go there. And how are those people doing now, without jobs? My bet is a good portion of them would rather have their jobs back. We live in a country with no social safety net. People won’t survive being out of work for months or years at a time.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Apr 17, 2020 17:55:48 GMT
All the people who are touching the surface after me would be people who also CHOSE to go out and people who don’t make that CHOICE would be at home. If your choice is to stay home, we wouldn’t come in contact. except for the people who HAVE to WORK at those venues so that you can CHOOSE to go there. ha ha, same thought here but slower typer.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 17:57:23 GMT
All the people who are touching the surface after me would be people who also CHOSE to go out and people who don’t make that CHOICE would be at home. If your choice is to stay home, we wouldn’t come in contact. And what about the people who have to chose between going back to work to open up all these venues for you or losing their jobs? Are they really able to make a free choice? What are they doing now without jobs? They’ve already been furloughed or fired. They don’t have a choice now. Ask them if they want their jobs back, I’m pretty sure most of them would say yes.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Apr 17, 2020 18:02:29 GMT
Yesterday when the phases rolled out I did worry about going back to school. I'm ready to go back, BUT I'm not sure how they'd safely do it. Any type of social distancing would be nearly impossible. Do they have enough masks because I'd want several for one day. Some won't come back, so do I teach 24/7 to accommodate home and school learning? There are just a lot of chances to spread germs and I think it's too early. I was thinking about how my school would do this. We have 3000+ kids. My classes are right around 34 each, and my room won't hold 34 with enough distance between everyone. Adding new clasrooms isn't really an option, we don't have the space or resources to hire enough teachers. So how could it work? I was thinking - they could cut the classes in half - so 17 per class. But then timewise, you would need to cut the time as well - maybe 30 minute classes instead of 55? You'd see fewer kids each class, so maybe you wouldn't need as much time. But you would need lots of sanitizer! The other option I see is doing a hybrid in person/online thing - half the kids are in person each day, the other half do online. And what's the point for probably 9 days. I wouldn't collect papers or take them home. They can't all play on the playground together. I'd probably lose any lunchtime etc so kids can eat in smaller numbers. The hybrid idea could work. Then again it'd only be for 9-10 for us. And what's the point for probably 9 days. I wouldn't collect papers and I wouldn't take them home. They can't all play on the playground together. I'd probably lose any lunchtime etc. It really isn't very practical. Our parents and teachers are finally getting the hang of this.
Don't get me wrong. I love my class and I miss them. I'd much rather be teaching in a classroom. I've avoided this virus thus far and wouldn't want to up my risk for a nightmare of a plan. lol
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Post by julieb on Apr 17, 2020 18:02:49 GMT
Is it really not enough to be home with your family, spending quality time putting puzzles and Legos together, reading books and playing games knowing that you're all safe and healthy? There's nothing of value in that at all? You ARE moving forward, just not in a way you're used to. I live alone. My family is over a 5 hour drive from me. What I wouldn't give to "not be moving forward" with them right now. I am happy we are all together. If this lasts a month or two, fine. But longer? I’d rather go out and take our chances than be safe, but not really living. You are not taking your chances, you are possibly spreading a virus. Ugh. It's so flipping irritating when people like you think it is okay to do whatever the hell you want because you are you. "Not really living" - do you realize how horrible that sounds??
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Apr 17, 2020 18:04:36 GMT
I was thinking about how my school would do this. We have 3000+ kids. My classes are right around 34 each, and my room won't hold 34 with enough distance between everyone. Adding new clasrooms isn't really an option, we don't have the space or resources to hire enough teachers. So how could it work? I was thinking - they could cut the classes in half - so 17 per class. But then timewise, you would need to cut the time as well - maybe 30 minute classes instead of 55? You'd see fewer kids each class, so maybe you wouldn't need as much time. But you would need lots of sanitizer! The other option I see is doing a hybrid in person/online thing - half the kids are in person each day, the other half do online. My kid goes to an elementary school with a max capacity of something like 975 kids. They are running very close to capacity because the district recently closed several outlying elementary schools that had very low attendance to save money and redistricted to shift all those kids to the remaining schools. Some of those former school buildings, etc. have already been sold, so simply reopening those schools isn’t even an option. The building my kid goes to is an open concept school with flexible classroom spaces, etc. I don’t see how, with as many kids as there are and the physical setup of the school, it would even be possible to practice good social distancing in that environment. Personally, I’m not going to be comfortable going out and about in crowded places until there is a vaccine and a good percentage of people are actually vaccinated. It just isn't realistic to open. I'm not sure I'd want to send my son. He loves to wash his hands, but in a crowded germ infested place ? LOL
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Post by dewryce on Apr 17, 2020 18:04:56 GMT
You are fascinating. What would happen if you couldn’t afford these things, would you decide life wasn’t worth living? I am missing most of the things you listed as well, we had a ton of special events cancelled (not everyday do we have big events, school and work kind of put a damper on that, but we do things every weekend even if it is just a hike) but we are finding things to do at home to help pass the time that still make life enjoyable. I guess if I couldn’t afford them I wouldn’t know what we were missing 🤷🏻♀️ We have “stuff” to do. We’re building LEGO (LEGO has been the biggest line item in our budget this month, I’ve let the kids order all they want), we’re playing a new game every day, we have puzzles, and books. But it’s all just empty. We aren’t moving forward. Just repeating the same day every day. How can people find purpose in that? Our homeschooling is not suited to being at home. This just isn’t how we live. I am trying to say this kindly, as that’s how it’s meant, but I’m sarcastic and blunt so I’m not very good at it. But I don’t understand the logic that spending time with family outside the house = life worth living. But spending time with family inside the house = life not worth living. Isn’t the most important part spending time with and enjoying your family? I worry about y’all in that if something were to happen and you couldn’t afford doing those things, or this stay at home goes on a couple of more months...with that attitude/thought process where will your mental health be? That of your children if they’re being taught that those activities are what make life worth living and they don’t have access to them? I am not making fun of you. I have anxiety and health phobias and I’m sure a lot of people think the way we are handling this is overboard. I know we are all just doing our best.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 18:06:01 GMT
Talk about entitled.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 17, 2020 18:06:16 GMT
Ask them if they want their jobs back, I’m pretty sure most of them would say yes ask them if they want to work or live, and I'm pretty sure they'd say LIVE. They can find other work eventually. Our entire SOCIETY is in a shift right now. Not just the economy. Hopefully we will be enlightened enough to put the social safety net into place that everyone in our society needs. Not just the safety net for the comfortably middle-class to work from home and feel bad because we can't go out to entertain ourselves at others' expense.
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Post by inkedup on Apr 17, 2020 18:10:01 GMT
except for the people who HAVE to WORK at those venues so that you can CHOOSE to go there. And how are those people doing now, without jobs? My bet is a good portion of them would rather have their jobs back. We live in a country with no social safety net. People won’t survive being out of work for months or years at a time. Says the stay at home mom who is itching to get back to Disney and NASCAR. Your posts are so tone deaf. Especially because so many people are struggling financially right now. Your flippant certainty that people would rather work and risk exposure to the virus comes from a place of such privilege that you can't even see how ridiculous you sound.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 17, 2020 18:12:22 GMT
I gotta say, I partially disagree with you about the computer vs. iphone thing-- it's a lot more fun and enjoyable to watch a youtube video (or broadway show) or browse Instagram, or look up a topic for a term paper on a computer screen instead of a tiny phone screen. yeah, but the problem is, anyone- even someone asymptomatic- can transmit it to someone else without even knowing they have it. So your decision to go somewhere affects EVERY PERSON who might touch the same surface after you did. Your decision does NOT just affect YOU. All the people who are touching the surface after me would be people who also CHOSE to go out and people who don’t make that CHOICE would be at home. If your choice is to stay home, we wouldn’t come in contact. So you won’t be going any place others who do decide to be safe and stay at home will sometimes have to go like the grocery store, Pharmacy, doctors offices, or bank? Because if you do, you will be putting everyone there at risk. I really am worried for you and if things get to where you are a danger to yourself or others please feel free to contact me. And make sure your husband is aware of how you feel now in case things take a turn for the worse so he knows what’s going on if you can’t/won’t express it, and he knows to monitor you. Again, coming from a place with mental health issues.
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Post by moodyblue on Apr 17, 2020 18:17:34 GMT
I guess if I couldn’t afford them I wouldn’t know what we were missing 🤷🏻♀️ We have “stuff” to do. We’re building LEGO (LEGO has been the biggest line item in our budget this month, I’ve let the kids order all they want), we’re playing a new game every day, we have puzzles, and books. But it’s all just empty. We aren’t moving forward. Just repeating the same day every day. How can people find purpose in that? Our homeschooling is not suited to being at home. This just isn’t how we live. I am trying to say this kindly, as that’s how it’s meant, but I’m sarcastic and blunt so I’m not very good at it. But I don’t understand the logic that spending time with family outside the house = life worth living. But spending time with family inside the house = life not worth living. Isn’t the most important part spending time with and enjoying your family? I worry about y’all in that if something were to happen and you couldn’t afford doing those things, or this stay at home goes on a couple of more months...with that attitude/thought process where will your mental health be? That of your children if they’re being taught that those activities are what make life worth living and they don’t have access to them? I am not making fun of you. I have anxiety and health phobias and I’m sure a lot of people think the way we are handling this is overboard. I know we are all just doing our best. Based on posts over time, I think a lot of myshelly's position has to do with control, and now she’s not in control of her life and that of her family to the extent that she has been. Up to now, she’s been able to live exactly how she wanted and do and go wherever - and now she can’t. She's never seemed to understand that there is much less of life that’s truly in our control than we often think. She’s a planner and coping with life when things don’t go according to plan is a challenge, I think. I've often wondered how it would go when life didn’t go according to plan for myshelly, and when I once expressed that, she replied with great confidence about continuing to be in total control. It is kind of sad to see that it’s such a struggle, and I too am concerned that how the parent approaches all this can affect how well children do. It’s the reason most teachers have students we worry about all the time, but even more so now that they aren’t in school and are home all the time. Life right now is NOT what any of us had planned or thought. How well we cope has a lot to do with resilience and other traits.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 18:18:19 GMT
The shut downs were intended to be a temporary measure to slow the spread so we don’t all get it at once.
They were never intended to last until the disease is stopped or a vaccine is made.
It’s not reasonable to expect to stay shut down that long.
Yes, more people are going to get it and more people are going to die. We can’t stop that.
I find it ironic that the peas are calling me entitled/privileged while ignoring the whole issue of people who are going to be homeless and starving because of the economic break down of society. Have you seen the miles long lines for food pantries? 1/3 of renters didn’t pay in April.
What do you think those people want? They want jobs. The government is not going to pass any meaningful social safety net in time to deal with this crisis. These people can’t even get through the system to apply for unemployment.
The peas are focused only on their safety from the virus because the peas are by and large privileged. A huge segment of the population needs and wants to go back to work, whether you agree with it or not.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 17, 2020 18:18:40 GMT
This is not my life, this is just existing. I used to think like this about a lot of things- always thinking about the future and 'someday when I'm thin' or 'someday when... whatever' But that's living in the future at the expense of the present. What if you (general you) got into a car accident and became a paraplegic? What if you were paralyzed and were in the hospital and rehab for 6 months? a year? Would you think your life wasn't worth living until you were 'back to normal' then?? Whatever 'living' is, changes over time. THIS *IS* what living is like, right now, here, today. Live in the NOW. Not in the 'when this is over.' Because we don't know how long that's going to be from NOW.
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