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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Apr 17, 2020 18:18:42 GMT
I gotta say, I partially disagree with you about the computer vs. iphone thing-- it's a lot more fun and enjoyable to watch a youtube video (or broadway show) or browse Instagram, or look up a topic for a term paper on a computer screen instead of a tiny phone screen. yeah, but the problem is, anyone- even someone asymptomatic- can transmit it to someone else without even knowing they have it. So your decision to go somewhere affects EVERY PERSON who might touch the same surface after you did. Your decision does NOT just affect YOU. All the people who are touching the surface after me would be people who also CHOSE to go out and people who don’t make that CHOICE would be at home. If your choice is to stay home, we wouldn’t come in contact. If schools were open then that curve is now headed to a new peak because of all the extra contact that exists outside of school. I really hope schools wait until September.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 18:21:11 GMT
All the people who are touching the surface after me would be people who also CHOSE to go out and people who don’t make that CHOICE would be at home. If your choice is to stay home, we wouldn’t come in contact. So you won’t be going any place others who do decide to be safe and stay at home will sometimes have to go like the grocery store, Pharmacy, doctors offices, or bank? Because if you do, you will be putting everyone there at risk. I really am worried for you and if things get to where you are a danger to yourself or others please feel free to contact me. And make sure your husband is aware of how you feel now in case things take a turn for the worse so he knows what’s going on if you can’t/won’t express it, and he knows to monitor you. Again, coming from a place with mental health issues. I didn’t go to those places in my regular life before, so I don’t see why I would now.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 17, 2020 18:26:48 GMT
you never went to the doctor's office, grocery store, or pharmacy? who does those things for you? You never get sick? your kids never get sick and have to go to the doctor? Do you have servants take them to the doctor? It sounds like your life is lived on a Victorian-era English country estate, like Downton Abbey, or something.
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Post by muggins on Apr 17, 2020 18:27:42 GMT
Nope, I’m happy to stay home until it’s absolutely safe to go out. I wouldn’t risk my life to go to an event and potentially leave my kids without a parent. I’ll wait until the second wave is over and venture out after that. I’m a healthy 51 year old. I figure I’ve got at least another 40 years of living to do yet. One year of hanging out with my family, crafting, sewing, working out, and watching movies isn’t such a hardship to me. I do feel sorry for my extrovert friends who don’t have any hobbies besides socialising though. They are bouncing off the walls at home because they don’t know how to entertain themselves.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 18:31:30 GMT
you never went to the doctor's office, grocery store, or pharmacy? who does those things for you? You never get sick? your kids never get sick and have to go to the doctor? Do you have servants take them to the doctor? It sounds like your life is lived on a Victorian-era English country estate, like Downton Abbey, or something. No, none of us has any Rxs except for epi pens that get mailed to us once a year, so I haven’t been to a pharmacy in I don’t know how long. The epi pen refill appointments are through Teledoc, so we don’t actually go in. I had an Rx when I was pregnant with my first 🤷🏻♀️ And, no, we haven’t had any sick visits to the doctor in years. Since they were in diapers. Grocery store I did pick up and delivery even before all this started
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 17, 2020 18:36:23 GMT
I haven’t seen my DD for a year I’m going to have a super hard time not hugging her right off the plane end of June. I think, if I hadn’t seen my daughter in a year, I would show up at the airport pickup line in a giant trash bag and hug her through that. I would probably be tackled to the ground by security, but it would be worth it!
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Post by inkedup on Apr 17, 2020 18:37:54 GMT
The shut downs were intended to be a temporary measure to slow the spread so we don’t all get it at once. They were never intended to last until the disease is stopped or a vaccine is made. It’s not reasonable to expect to stay shut down that long. Yes, more people are going to get it and more people are going to die. We can’t stop that. I find it ironic that the peas are calling me entitled/privileged while ignoring the whole issue of people who are going to be homeless and starving because of the economic break down of society. Have you seen the miles long lines for food pantries? 1/3 of renters didn’t pay in April. What do you think those people want? They want jobs. The government is not going to pass any meaningful social safety net in time to deal with this crisis. These people can’t even get through the system to apply for unemployment. The peas are focused only on their safety from the virus because the peas are by and large privileged. A huge segment of the population needs and wants to go back to work, whether you agree with it or not. Pot, kettle, etc. This started with you saying life isn't worth living because you can't go to NASCAR races and Disney and Broadway shows. Your concern for people going back to work seems to extend as far as where it affects you - you want to go to a NASCAR race, so, surely, the guy making $10 an hour to sell you beer must want to go back, too. No one here wants to see anyone lose their home or go hungry. But the issue you are being taken to task for is YOUR privilege. I'm sorry that you don't think life is worth living if you can't fill it with distractions, but you don't get a free pass for implying that people who can't afford those distractions have lives that aren't worth living. I hope, for your family's sake, that your husband is able to provide a life full of expensive distractions into perpetuity. My son will turn 7 next month. I am really sad that we will not be able to do the things we had planned for him. But, rather than pout because we can't have his bowling party and weekend at Legoland and whatever else we were planning, we are talking about how life sometimes doesn't turn out how we wanted it to. We are talking about gratitude. We are talking about how lucky we are to be safe at home while others don't have that option. We talk about gratitude daily and often. Gratitude for food on our table, a safe and spacious home, a house full of toys and art supplies and puzzles and board games. Our perspectives are vastly different.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 17, 2020 18:39:52 GMT
The shut downs were intended to be a temporary measure to slow the spread so we don’t all get it at once. They were never intended to last until the disease is stopped or a vaccine is made. It’s not reasonable to expect to stay shut down that long. Yes, more people are going to get it and more people are going to die. We can’t stop that. I find it ironic that the peas are calling me entitled/privileged while ignoring the whole issue of people who are going to be homeless and starving because of the economic break down of society. Have you seen the miles long lines for food pantries? 1/3 of renters didn’t pay in April. What do you think those people want? They want jobs. The government is not going to pass any meaningful social safety net in time to deal with this crisis. These people can’t even get through the system to apply for unemployment. The peas are focused only on their safety from the virus because the peas are by and large privileged. A huge segment of the population needs and wants to go back to work, whether you agree with it or not. Pot, kettle, etc. This started with you saying life isn't worth living because you can't go to NASCAR races and Disney and Broadway shows. Your concern for people going back to work seems to extend as far as where it affects you - you want to go to a NASCAR race, so, surely, the guy making $10 an hour to sell you beer must want to go back, too. No one here wants to see anyone lose their home or go hungry. But the issue you are being taken to task for is YOUR privilege. I'm sorry that you don't think life is worth living if you can't fill it with distractions, but you don't get a free pass for implying that people who can't afford those distractions have lives that aren't worth living. I hope, for your family's sake, that your husband is able to provide a life full of expensive distractions into perpetuity. My son will turn 7 next month. I am really sad that we will not be able to do the things we had planned for him. But, rather than pout because we can't have his bowling party and weekend at Legoland and whatever else we were planning, we are talking about how life sometimes doesn't turn out how we wanted it to. We are talking about gratitude. We are talking about how lucky we are to be safe at home while others don't have that option. We talk about gratitude daily and often. Gratitude for food on our table, a safe and spacious home, a house full of toys and art supplies and puzzles and board games. Our perspectives are vastly different. Oh, I admit I’m privileged. I just think that most of the peas are as well.
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Post by cycworker on Apr 17, 2020 18:40:54 GMT
Because if where I live, I'll be ready as soon as Dr Henry gives us a go ahead.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 17, 2020 18:41:25 GMT
I am trying to say this kindly, as that’s how it’s meant, but I’m sarcastic and blunt so I’m not very good at it. But I don’t understand the logic that spending time with family outside the house = life worth living. But spending time with family inside the house = life not worth living. Isn’t the most important part spending time with and enjoying your family? I worry about y’all in that if something were to happen and you couldn’t afford doing those things, or this stay at home goes on a couple of more months...with that attitude/thought process where will your mental health be? That of your children if they’re being taught that those activities are what make life worth living and they don’t have access to them? I am not making fun of you. I have anxiety and health phobias and I’m sure a lot of people think the way we are handling this is overboard. I know we are all just doing our best. Based on posts over time, I think a lot of myshelly's position has to do with control, and now she’s not in control of her life and that of her family to the extent that she has been. Up to now, she’s been able to live exactly how she wanted and do and go wherever - and now she can’t. She's never seemed to understand that there is much less of life that’s truly in our control than we often think. She’s a planner and coping with life when things don’t go according to plan is a challenge, I think. I've often wondered how it would go when life didn’t go according to plan for myshelly, and when I once expressed that, she replied with great confidence about continuing to be in total control. It is kind of sad to see that it’s such a struggle, and I too am concerned that how the parent approaches all this can affect how well children do. It’s the reason most teachers have students we worry about all the time, but even more so now that they aren’t in school and are home all the time. Life right now is NOT what any of us had planned or thought. How well we cope has a lot to do with resilience and other traits. I’ve seen that, and for various reasons I have control issues as well and there is that threat that if something goes wrong it can have a really bad affect on my mental health. Control issues aren’t always just a personality trait, there are a lot of illnesses and bad life experiences that that can bring them about. Yes, as an adult it is up to us to identify the problems and work to fix them. And I’m doing that, but situations like this make that hard and bring about a lot of anxiety. For everyone, so imagine how much worse it is for someone with mental health issues. I think it’s important to understand that this may not be as simple as “she wants control so life is perfect,” and minimize the effect this is having on people with control issues in general.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 17, 2020 18:44:25 GMT
So you won’t be going any place others who do decide to be safe and stay at home will sometimes have to go like the grocery store, Pharmacy, doctors offices, or bank? Because if you do, you will be putting everyone there at risk. I really am worried for you and if things get to where you are a danger to yourself or others please feel free to contact me. And make sure your husband is aware of how you feel now in case things take a turn for the worse so he knows what’s going on if you can’t/won’t express it, and he knows to monitor you. Again, coming from a place with mental health issues. I didn’t go to those places in my regular life before, so I don’t see why I would now. No well checks for your children? Dental appointments? Annual physicals for you or your husband? Annual Pap smear? Mammogram? Never? I’ll be honest and say I don’t believe that. And if you have a doctor that comes to you, you’re still putting him at risk. Do dentists offer concierge services? I don’t see how they could.
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 17, 2020 18:46:36 GMT
Pot, kettle, etc. This started with you saying life isn't worth living because you can't go to NASCAR races and Disney and Broadway shows. Your concern for people going back to work seems to extend as far as where it affects you - you want to go to a NASCAR race, so, surely, the guy making $10 an hour to sell you beer must want to go back, too. No one here wants to see anyone lose their home or go hungry. But the issue you are being taken to task for is YOUR privilege. I'm sorry that you don't think life is worth living if you can't fill it with distractions, but you don't get a free pass for implying that people who can't afford those distractions have lives that aren't worth living. I hope, for your family's sake, that your husband is able to provide a life full of expensive distractions into perpetuity. My son will turn 7 next month. I am really sad that we will not be able to do the things we had planned for him. But, rather than pout because we can't have his bowling party and weekend at Legoland and whatever else we were planning, we are talking about how life sometimes doesn't turn out how we wanted it to. We are talking about gratitude. We are talking about how lucky we are to be safe at home while others don't have that option. We talk about gratitude daily and often. Gratitude for food on our table, a safe and spacious home, a house full of toys and art supplies and puzzles and board games. Our perspectives are vastly different. Oh, I admit I’m privileged. I just think that most of the peas are as well. And the point is not your privilege. It’s about a resiliency and gratitude and building that into your children for times such as these, when life does not turn out how you planned. You don’t need to buy them surprises to get them through this. You need to provide them with an example of strength and healthy coping strategies.
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Post by MichyM on Apr 17, 2020 18:49:46 GMT
I guess if I couldn’t afford them I wouldn’t know what we were missing 🤷🏻♀️ We have “stuff” to do. We’re building LEGO (LEGO has been the biggest line item in our budget this month, I’ve let the kids order all they want), we’re playing a new game every day, we have puzzles, and books. But it’s all just empty. We aren’t moving forward. Just repeating the same day every day. How can people find purpose in that? Our homeschooling is not suited to being at home. This just isn’t how we live. I am trying to say this kindly, as that’s how it’s meant, but I’m sarcastic and blunt so I’m not very good at it. But I don’t understand the logic that spending time with family outside the house = life worth living. But spending time with family inside the house = life not worth living. Isn’t the most important part spending time with and enjoying your family? I worry about y’all in that if something were to happen and you couldn’t afford doing those things, or this stay at home goes on a couple of more months...with that attitude/thought process where will your mental health be? That of your children if they’re being taught that those activities are what make life worth living and they don’t have access to them? I am not making fun of you. I have anxiety and health phobias and I’m sure a lot of people think the way we are handling this is overboard. I know we are all just doing our best. With each post that myshelley makes (digging her heeels in deeper) is becomes very clear that she would likely benefit from therapy. And it' likely that she's passing on her attitude about what is worth living for to her chidren, which is also very sad. They'd likely benefit from therapy themselves. And yes, I'm aware that Im overstepping (which I never do) but sheesh girl. You've got some serious issues that are very negative.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 17, 2020 18:49:56 GMT
Honestly, I will feel safe when my state considers it safe. Inslee has been doing a good job. We bent our curve here early. We shut down early. When my state public health officials say it’s fine, I will go (I am a ballet and theater subscriber, which is where I am most likely to be in crowds).
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Post by janamke on Apr 17, 2020 18:52:15 GMT
The shut downs were intended to be a temporary measure to slow the spread so we don’t all get it at once. They were never intended to last until the disease is stopped or a vaccine is made. It’s not reasonable to expect to stay shut down that long. Yes, more people are going to get it and more people are going to die. We can’t stop that. I find it ironic that the peas are calling me entitled/privileged while ignoring the whole issue of people who are going to be homeless and starving because of the economic break down of society. Have you seen the miles long lines for food pantries? 1/3 of renters didn’t pay in April. What do you think those people want? They want jobs. The government is not going to pass any meaningful social safety net in time to deal with this crisis. These people can’t even get through the system to apply for unemployment. The peas are focused only on their safety from the virus because the peas are by and large privileged. A huge segment of the population needs and wants to go back to work, whether you agree with it or not. Pot, kettle, etc. This started with you saying life isn't worth living because you can't go to NASCAR races and Disney and Broadway shows. Your concern for people going back to work seems to extend as far as where it affects you - you want to go to a NASCAR race, so, surely, the guy making $10 an hour to sell you beer must want to go back, too. No one here wants to see anyone lose their home or go hungry. But the issue you are being taken to task for is YOUR privilege. I'm sorry that you don't think life is worth living if you can't fill it with distractions, but you don't get a free pass for implying that people who can't afford those distractions have lives that aren't worth living. I hope, for your family's sake, that your husband is able to provide a life full of expensive distractions into perpetuity. My son will turn 7 next month. I am really sad that we will not be able to do the things we had planned for him. But, rather than pout because we can't have his bowling party and weekend at Legoland and whatever else we were planning, we are talking about how life sometimes doesn't turn out how we wanted it to. We are talking about gratitude. We are talking about how lucky we are to be safe at home while others don't have that option. We talk about gratitude daily and often. Gratitude for food on our table, a safe and spacious home, a house full of toys and art supplies and puzzles and board games. Our perspectives are vastly different. THIS, 100%. I read what myshelly wrote several times in disbelief. Selfish and self-centered beyond belief. And don't blame it on privilege. Privilege doesn't mean you get to disrespect the health and safety of others. Nothing about this kind of life is normal or easy. But I'm finding the beauty in the quiet simple moments. The great conversations with my husband and kids. The quite times spent with a fire in the backyard. The fact that all 3 of my kids have finally learned to skate and spend hours doing so on the very quiet streets. There is a lot of beauty and life out there if you care to look.
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Post by MichyM on Apr 17, 2020 18:55:43 GMT
I am trying to say this kindly, as that’s how it’s meant, but I’m sarcastic and blunt so I’m not very good at it. But I don’t understand the logic that spending time with family outside the house = life worth living. But spending time with family inside the house = life not worth living. Isn’t the most important part spending time with and enjoying your family? I worry about y’all in that if something were to happen and you couldn’t afford doing those things, or this stay at home goes on a couple of more months...with that attitude/thought process where will your mental health be? That of your children if they’re being taught that those activities are what make life worth living and they don’t have access to them? I am not making fun of you. I have anxiety and health phobias and I’m sure a lot of people think the way we are handling this is overboard. I know we are all just doing our best. Based on posts over time, I think a lot of myshelly's position has to do with control, and now she’s not in control of her life and that of her family to the extent that she has been. Up to now, she’s been able to live exactly how she wanted and do and go wherever - and now she can’t. She's never seemed to understand that there is much less of life that’s truly in our control than we often think. She’s a planner and coping with life when things don’t go according to plan is a challenge, I think. I've often wondered how it would go when life didn’t go according to plan for myshelly, and when I once expressed that, she replied with great confidence about continuing to be in total control. It is kind of sad to see that it’s such a struggle, and I too am concerned that how the parent approaches all this can affect how well children do. It’s the reason most teachers have students we worry about all the time, but even more so now that they aren’t in school and are home all the time. Life right now is NOT what any of us had planned or thought. How well we cope has a lot to do with resilience and other traits. What moodyblue said is so incredibly spot on.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 17, 2020 18:56:25 GMT
There is a lot of beauty and life out there if you care to look. maybe it's a skill that some people don't have? maybe? I could spend hours laying in the grass watching a hill of ants when I was a kid, so I've always had it. I am forever saying 'did you see that-- sunset, bird, flower, detail from a television show, whatever...' to my DH and he says 'no, I missed it' so I think it's just something some people can't do, or forgot how to do, or grew out of. heck, I've had that mindset for so long that when I decided to get a personalized license plate, I got 'LV4ART' as my plate. People sometimes ask me what it means- live for art? love for art? To me, it means both, because art (beauty) is EVERYWHERE, and I think it IS one of the things that makes life worth living. But for me, art/beauty means looking at my cat, a flower, a sunset, etc. and NOT just going to a museum.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 17, 2020 18:57:05 GMT
All the people who are touching the surface after me would be people who also CHOSE to go out and people who don’t make that CHOICE would be at home. If your choice is to stay home, we wouldn’t come in contact. If schools were open then that curve is now headed to a new peak because of all the extra contact that exists outside of school. I really hope schools wait until September. There is an article in The Lancet that says a study shows closing schools only ( ) reduces the death rate by 2% to 4%. It goes on to talk about weighing the risks and some of the issues with schools being closed such as loss of jobs, social aspects, and access to meals and education for many groups. All valid points. But it feels like a lot of people are brushing aside those additional deaths. And I think those people need to go into a room of 100 sick people they know and personally pick 4 people and tell them that have to die.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 17, 2020 18:59:44 GMT
Based on previous posts, I have seen the same things that others like moodyblue and J u l e e have noted. I am often left with a lot of questions after reading myshelly 's posts, such as how much money do teachers in Texas make?! And, What does her teacher husband think of her homeschooling style? What do the kids and husband think about the ways that their lives are being controlled? But, these posts are leaving me asking, How are the kids handling this situation? Is everyone bonding over being miserable at home and not being able to go out? I understand being upset that things are not happening as planned and we have no control over what is going on. I am upset about probably losing baseball for the season, and other events that we/the kids had been planning and looking forward to. The kids are not happy about that, either, but so far they have been handling things better than I anticipated. They look forward to state basketball (which was cancelled) and baseball season all year. That can't be made up or just attended at a different time. DS could have gone to prom this year. His first baseball season as a Varsity player. And on and on. But dwelling on that sadness and anxiety does not help anything. We all have to make the choice to make the best of the time that we have and see the silver linings, or to stay miserable and focus on the negative. This could be a good time for you and the kids to learn that there are experiences that are valuable besides going out and being entertained by others. There are many reasons why those events might not be as readily available in the future--either for you or the kids. Health issues, changes in financial abilities (especially for the kids, I assume they will have to work at some point in their lives and might not have the time or money to do everything that you do now), living in a different area where entertainment isn't as available, or even a pandemic can come into play. That isn't to say that valuing those things isn't ok, it is just challenging yourselves to find other things that are meaningful and fulfilling as well. I do sense signs of depression in your posts today, and am not sure if I am reading that correctly based on previous posts throughout the years. But if this is the case, please reach out and get help to deal with these feelings.
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Post by tracyarts on Apr 17, 2020 19:00:27 GMT
I'm not sure.
I have several necessary lab tests, physical exams, and follow-up appointments in early June that must be kept. Self-isolation against Covid-19 isn't going to help me much if my autoimmune disease or the medications I take for it are destroying my heart, liver, kidneys, and eyes. I have to expose myself to a lot of people to make sure I'm okay, and it can't be helped. So I'll wear a mask and take my chances.
Places like museums and galleries? Restaurants? Retail stores? Salons? Malls? Theaters? Festivals? I'm not sure. Not any of them right away. Probably not until treatment methods are improved or until we know if mask wearing is making a difference. And then not the really crowded places until at risk populations have access to a vaccine. I would go to a non-crowded store with a mask for a short trip maybe, after we see how big of a spike in new cases there are after things open back up.
I turn 50 in mid-July and wanted to do something fun. But that may end up being takeout from a restaurant and a scenic drive.
If contractors go back to work and the renovations on the house we're buying are finished, we're closing on the house and moving as soon as the house is ready. What's the bigger risk? Exposure to people for a few days, or continuing to live in an industrial area that keeps my respiratory system perpetually inflamed?
I guess we are going to hold back and let other people go first and see how that works out for them. DH supposedly can continue working from home, so hopefully that happens. He's doing it successfully, so if his company tries to make him come back into the office right away he'll have a meeting with HR to remind them of his high risk status. Do they really want to be a company that places a high risk employee in danger for no valid reason? He doesn't think that's the atmosphere with the current HR team.
Yeah, we're going to leave for medical necessities at first and wait and see with the rest.
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Post by LeaP on Apr 17, 2020 19:02:12 GMT
Not for a long time. We need to know:
1. how it spreads
2. lots of testing
3. a cure
4. a vaccine
Until then I will social distance for my own good and that of society.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Apr 17, 2020 19:19:13 GMT
I guess money really doesn't by happiness, huh? My DH and I are pretty much always at the "exist" level, but we are much happier than myshelly sounds. And if I may speak as a representative of the "them", we are fortunate in that we can get by with my second online job and DH's pension and social security. I know lots of people don't have other income, and maybe they are eager to get back to work, damn the consequences. For myself, I would rather continue to get by than risk myself or my DH or society as a whole by returning to work.
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Post by moodyblue on Apr 17, 2020 19:23:09 GMT
Based on posts over time, I think a lot of myshelly's position has to do with control, and now she’s not in control of her life and that of her family to the extent that she has been. Up to now, she’s been able to live exactly how she wanted and do and go wherever - and now she can’t. She's never seemed to understand that there is much less of life that’s truly in our control than we often think. She’s a planner and coping with life when things don’t go according to plan is a challenge, I think. I've often wondered how it would go when life didn’t go according to plan for myshelly, and when I once expressed that, she replied with great confidence about continuing to be in total control. It is kind of sad to see that it’s such a struggle, and I too am concerned that how the parent approaches all this can affect how well children do. It’s the reason most teachers have students we worry about all the time, but even more so now that they aren’t in school and are home all the time. Life right now is NOT what any of us had planned or thought. How well we cope has a lot to do with resilience and other traits. I’ve seen that, and for various reasons I have control issues as well and there is that threat that if something goes wrong it can have a really bad affect on my mental health. Control issues aren’t always just a personality trait, there are a lot of illnesses and bad life experiences that that can bring them about. Yes, as an adult it is up to us to identify the problems and work to fix them. And I’m doing that, but situations like this make that hard and bring about a lot of anxiety. For everyone, so imagine how much worse it is for someone with mental health issues. I think it’s important to understand that this may not be as simple as “she wants control so life is perfect,” and minimize the effect this is having on people with control issues in general. I agree that there are lots of reasons for having control issues, and would never want to minimize the effect for people who have extra stresses or challenges at any time, but especially now. I admire your self-awareness and willingness to be open about your own issues. And what you share here reminds us that this current situation is not experienced the same by all of us.
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tracylynn
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Post by tracylynn on Apr 17, 2020 19:23:33 GMT
Hamilton tickets go on sale next week for a fall performance, I'm planning on buying them and will attend if they put on the show. As cautious as I'm being, I would do the same thing. First, if it's not safe and they cancel you'll either get a refund or your ticket will be valid for when they come back. Second, if they still do the performance and I felt it wasn't safe, I know I could sell those tickets in a heartbeat.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 17, 2020 19:26:38 GMT
Ask them if they want their jobs back, I’m pretty sure most of them would say yes ask them if they want to work or live, and I'm pretty sure they'd say LIVE. They can find other work eventually. Our entire SOCIETY is in a shift right now. Not just the economy. Hopefully we will be enlightened enough to put the social safety net into place that everyone in our society needs. Not just the safety net for the comfortably middle-class to work from home and feel bad because we can't go out to entertain ourselves at others' expense. Not only the choice of whether to work or live, but how about working vs. the lives of the people they love? This thing isn’t only killing off old people in nursing homes. It’s taking out young previously healthy people too who didn’t seem to have any underlying conditions. So which ones of her family or friends is she willing to sacrifice in the name of entertainment? Or is it all okay as long as it’s someone else’s loved ones who are dropping dead? The way I look at it is I can always figure something out and make more money or get a different job. But once someone I know and love is dead, they’re DEAD. Forever. And nothing is worth risking losing people I care about.
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Post by Zee on Apr 17, 2020 19:30:28 GMT
I avoid large crowds and venues anyway. Too people-y. If I can't be trapped in a crowded space for over a year or more I'm A-OK with that.
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Post by Zee on Apr 17, 2020 19:32:15 GMT
You are fascinating. What would happen if you couldn’t afford these things, would you decide life wasn’t worth living? I am missing most of the things you listed as well, we had a ton of special events cancelled (not everyday do we have big events, school and work kind of put a damper on that, but we do things every weekend even if it is just a hike) but we are finding things to do at home to help pass the time that still make life enjoyable. I guess if I couldn’t afford them I wouldn’t know what we were missing 🤷🏻♀️ We have “stuff” to do. We’re building LEGO (LEGO has been the biggest line item in our budget this month, I’ve let the kids order all they want), we’re playing a new game every day, we have puzzles, and books. But it’s all just empty. We aren’t moving forward. Just repeating the same day every day. How can people find purpose in that? Our homeschooling is not suited to being at home. This just isn’t how we live. Of everyone here, I've missed you the most. Lol
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 17, 2020 19:32:32 GMT
At what point? When my governor says I can and not a minute sooner. I trust him explicitly and he’s following the advice of his team of medical experts. I’ve always been an extrovert who had an active social and outdoors life, but I’ve accepted the fact that we could be in SIP for many more months. I don’t like it one bit (I don’t know anyone who does), but if that’s what’s keeping me and others alive, then so be it. The way I figure is, there’ll always be summers, always be outdoor activities, always be traveling, vacations, festivals, etc. They’ll all be back someday. Life won’t always be this way so I can wait however long it takes.
I’m very concerned about the rapid collapse of our economy (I mean, who wouldn’t be?) especially knowing that over 20 million people have been rendered jobless in just four weeks. I recognize what a difficult decision it will be for governors – finding the balance between saving what’s left of a state’s economy and keeping as many people safe and alive at the same time. Increased poverty is a given (more so than the 2008 great recession), but like I said before, you can always bring an economy back to life, as difficult, long and painful as it will be, but dead people will be dead forever. Of course, I know that’s hardly comforting when one is facing losing a roof over their head or hunger. Let’s just keep donating as much as we can afford to food banks and agitating our lawmakers for more help for the unemployed. This latest stimulus package won’t be the last so there are more opportunities to really help those in need.
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tracylynn
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Post by tracylynn on Apr 17, 2020 19:33:22 GMT
I'm not trying to pick on you, but since I've seen you say this same thing a couple different times, I do want to ask- are you saying that your life isn't worth living? period- full stop? because that might be what happens. Do you really think that lecture or NASCAR race is worth your LIFE? Or your husband's life? or any of your elderly family member's lives, if you happen to transmit it to them? I obviously don't have the same sort of lifestyle, because I can NOT comprehend this viewpoint at all. There's just the two of us and our pets- and because we have dogs as well as cats, we don't do a lot of 'stuff' that keeps us away from home for hours upon hours at a time. I miss stopping in to a thrift store or a craft store and browsing, but going to a CROWDED venue like a sporting event? When doing it might be at the expense of my long-term health or possibly my life? no way. Not until there's a reliable antibody test and/or a vaccine. I don’t want to live like this, period, full stop. This is not my life, this is just existing. I’m NOT saying I’m suicidal now, but I am saying that I 100% support reopening everything and taking my chances with the virus. If others don’t feel safe, that’s fine, they can stay home. But I think everyone should be able to make their own choices about where they go and who they see. The problem is the virus will not go away if people like you don't care to help stop it any longer because you're bored and sad about being in your house and want to do what you want to do right now, to hell with everyone else. The only way we beat this shit is if we all work together. And clearly, there are a lot of Americans who truly are just overly privileged and selfish. Which would support the reason that America now has almost 700,000 positive cases. And considering we've only tested 3.4 million people in this Country - we know that 700K isn't even close to correct.
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tracylynn
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Post by tracylynn on Apr 17, 2020 19:40:54 GMT
you never went to the doctor's office, grocery store, or pharmacy? who does those things for you? You never get sick? your kids never get sick and have to go to the doctor? Do you have servants take them to the doctor? It sounds like your life is lived on a Victorian-era English country estate, like Downton Abbey, or something. No, none of us has any Rxs except for epi pens that get mailed to us once a year, so I haven’t been to a pharmacy in I don’t know how long. The epi pen refill appointments are through Teledoc, so we don’t actually go in. I had an Rx when I was pregnant with my first 🤷🏻♀️ And, no, we haven’t had any sick visits to the doctor in years. Since they were in diapers. Grocery store I did pick up and delivery even before all this started You don't know annual well visits for you or your kids? Awesome.
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