stittsygirl
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Post by stittsygirl on May 1, 2020 19:23:37 GMT
Convincing me isn’t going to get large numbers of people to the polls. The Democrats knew people, especially young people, are not excited to get out and vote for Biden. They chose him anyway. It was not a good choice. I don't know that you're right on this. I have four young adult daughters - super woke. Bernie supporters. All 4, and all of their friends, will vote for Biden. The goal is to get rid of Trump, not grandstand. My voting-age children are the same way. They were upset when it was clear that Sanders would not be the Democratic nominee, but they are aware of what is going on in the country and our world and know we have a dangerously inept person in the White House right now. They won’t waste their vote.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on May 1, 2020 19:33:49 GMT
No. He is still not willing to unseal his University records. That hardly seems like a full investigation You got me, what does Joe Biden’s university records have to do with this? Exactly. They are as relevant as Trump's university records and transcripts, but no one is clamoring for his records. Was he involved in misconduct as a student? Did he really pass his classes? What's in his academic file? Or is he just afraid that his college records will prove once and for all using an objective standard that he does NOT have a "big, beautiful brain?" Joe has asked for the records that pertain to this matter--employment files stored in the National Archives. Those are NOT his personal congressional work files that would have been given to the University. He had no control over personnel files for anyone who worked for him, and I imagine he would have broken the law, or at least HR policy, if he had copied a staffer's employment information for his "library."
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on May 1, 2020 19:37:10 GMT
IMO, the main reason Biden is the presumptive nominee is because people were trying to guess who would be most likely to beat Trump. There are a lot of people who liked other candidates better but didn’t know if enough other people felt the same way. If people had known about this in the primaries, some other moderate would have risen to the top to beat Bernie. I’m really Frustrated that this is coming out now. I could understand why CBF waited until the hearings to disclose about Kavanaugh. He was about to be appointed to a very important, lifetime position. But Biden has run for president before and was Vice President. This is not a moment of “omg, that guy who assaulted me might be president. I need to tell someone.” Really? A bunch of women came out last year talking about how Biden made them uncomfortable with his encroachment on personal space. I'm kind of shocked that anyone is really surprised. He's handsy. I am more surprised that Ms. Reade was not more explicit last year if she was going to choose to get explicit now. "Handsy" and "he makes me uncomfortable" are a far cry from sexual assault. I have dealt with older men who couldn't comprehend personal space, and while they did make me uncomfortable, I never once feared sexual assault as a result or heard any suggestion that they had assaulted other women.
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Post by sasha on May 1, 2020 19:37:24 GMT
What's clear is that sexual assault isn't an issue unless the person accused stands for everything you don't agree with. Republicans that dismissed allegations on Trump, smeared Ford and now are suddenly very concerned with sexual assault, while Democrats smear Reade. It's absolutely disgusting to think the people we are placing in high office are sexual predators.
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Post by epeanymous on May 1, 2020 19:39:20 GMT
For the last time.
He wasn’t my first choice or anywhere on my list of top choices.
I don’t particularly care for his policies.
Do I believe him about this? Doesn’t matter.
The current president is fomenting armed rebellion.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 20:04:33 GMT
Then those who chose not to vote are stupid. Maybe not a nice thing to say but it’s true. It's not true, it's your opinion.
Believe it or not there are actually people who so much can't stomach all this bullshit that they simply cannot put their name to either candidate choosing instead a third party or vote of no confidence.
You don't have to agree with any of that but that is actually true, not just my opinion.
There are all kinds of reasons why people vote (or not) the way they do. It is the height of disdain and condescension for someone to claim others are stupid for not buying into a wholly corrupt system. That is my opinion.
Then you and potential non voters need to look at what’s at stake . This is not normal times. Never in the history of this country is it being tested as it is now. The constitution is literally under attack. And that is not my opinion that is a simple fact. All you have to do is look around. I mean put aside your personal beliefs and take a hard look at what is happening. It’s not normal and it’s dangerous to the well-being of this country. This election is about saving what is left of this country. And the first step is getting trump out of the White House. And that is what the voters have to decide on a November 3rd. Do they want to save the country or not.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 1, 2020 20:12:10 GMT
sasha I don't see anyone giving him a pass or raking her through the coals. But I do think it is prudent to question why now? And to look more closely at the allegations and the facts that can be found now. I think that we should be objective in looking at allegations. I have said I am frustrated that this is coming out now. I wish that it had been more well-known at least during the primaries so that people could have factored that into their decision making early on. I don't want to have that mark on Biden or have to decide whether I believe him or not. But ultimately, even if he is guilty, if he is the nominee we will need to make a choice. For me, it is clear that he is the better choice than Trump.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 20:26:23 GMT
Which leaves her open to prosecution for filing a false report if she's lying. Ford never filed any report at any time.
Because women didn't do that in those days!!! If you're Christine's age (which I am) and you had that kind of thing happen to you (which a friend of mine did), you were just happy to get away unharmed (except psychologically). Blasey Ford said that, while his friend Mark Judge watched, Kavanaugh, intoxicated, held her down on a bed with his body, grinding against and groping her, covering her mouth when she tried to scream and trying to pull her clothes off. It was just "boys being boys" and "that's not rape".
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on May 1, 2020 20:35:41 GMT
Which leaves her open to prosecution for filing a false report if she's lying. Ford never filed any report at any time.
Because women didn't do that in those days!!! If you're Christine's age (which I am) and you had that kind of thing happen to you (which a friend of mine did), you were just happy to get away unharmed (except psychologically). Blasey Ford said that, while his friend Mark Judge watched, Kavanaugh, intoxicated, held her down on a bed with his body, grinding against and groping her, covering her mouth when she tried to scream and trying to pull her clothes off. It was just "boys being boys" and "that's not rape". I'm awfully glad you brought this up.
Tara Reade's alleged assault took place in 1993, she filed her police report on April 9, 2020.
Ford could EASILY have filed a police report when she formally accused Kavanaugh in 2018. She didn't. That was my point.
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MsKnit
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Post by MsKnit on May 1, 2020 20:38:28 GMT
Listening to my daughter and her friends who are Sanders supporters... Some of them will vote for Biden but a LOT are going to NOT vote at all. They would rather NOT vote than choose between these two. Then they will be part of the reason that Trump wins again. Anything they hoped for or believed in will be worse in four years than it could have been. People like the non-voters piss me off. By not voting in this election, you are saying what Trump does is okay. We've been discussing this, too. Fact is, I'm not voting for Biden. I will be voting Dem because the bigger issue is 2 SC seats.
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Post by questioning on May 1, 2020 20:41:52 GMT
You know exactly what they’ll say. IOKIYAR! Everyone else though needs to be held to a much higher standard. ETA: I didn’t think it was right to put Kavanaugh through that, and I don’t think it’s right to put Biden through it. Kavanaugh did have to go through it though, so I don’t know why Biden wouldn’t either, unless we want to admit it was wrong to do it to Kavanaugh. Two different situations. Kavanaugh's job is a lifetime appointment. IMHO Supreme Court justices have the ability to make greater and longer lasting decisions for the USA. Biden is pursuing a four year position, and because of his age a second term is doubtful. He too can change our world, but there's recourse when we disagree. FWIW I was almost able to believe Kavanaugh should not be held responsible for teenage behavior. People do grow learn and change. It was his demeanor in dealing with the hearing and his spiteful tantrums that made me feel he was a spoiled selfish soul.
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Post by peano on May 1, 2020 20:48:35 GMT
Then those who chose not to vote are stupid. Maybe not a nice thing to say but it’s true. It's not true, it's your opinion.
Believe it or not there are actually people who so much can't stomach all this bullshit that they simply cannot put their name to either candidate choosing instead a third party or vote of no confidence.
You don't have to agree with any of that but that is actually true, not just my opinion.
There are all kinds of reasons why people vote (or not) the way they do. It is the height of disdain and condescension for someone to claim others are stupid for not buying into a wholly corrupt system. That is my opinion.
Oh. Honey. If we wait around until there is a wholly pure system... And you bet your ass I feel superior to those who are so short-sighted they are willing to throw a little toddler tantrum that only serves to help get that thing in the WH reelected. Do they honestly think that four more years of him and McConnell is going to get them any closer to their idealistic dreamy pink cloud unicorn existence? At least they would have a running start if the Democrat won.
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Post by sabrinae on May 1, 2020 20:50:17 GMT
Which leaves her open to prosecution for filing a false report if she's lying. Ford never filed any report at any time. It may theoretically but it doesn’t in reality. No one can prove or disprove her allegations at this point and no one can produce enough evidence either way to charge her with falsifying a report. Not to mention no one is going to charge her — the optics of the situation won’t allow it even if someone can produce something particularly damaging to her account.
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Post by Really Red on May 1, 2020 20:50:38 GMT
Listening to my daughter and her friends who are Sanders supporters... Some of them will vote for Biden but a LOT are going to NOT vote at all. They would rather NOT vote than choose between these two. I have sons and daughters. I keep thinking how I would feel if one of my sons was wrongly accused. How would I feel if my daughter was not believed? She says she made a complaint. Ok, there should be a record of it and Biden is willing to let us see it IF it exists. He claims it won't. I'll believe in INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY and not jump to GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT. That is how our justice system is supposed to work. Then I hope that you are sitting these young people down and explaining to them - in graphic detail - what exactly will happen if they do not vote. Ask them if they care about women's health. Ask them if they care about anyone's health. Ask them if they care about climate change. Tell them exactly everything that Trump has been doing to erode these things and ask them if they are happy that they will be responsible for that for the next four years and WORSE. End up with asking them how they would feel if they went to work in a company and that company stood for EVERYTHING they believed it. But one day, their cousin stood up and said he saw something wrong that company was doing. Their cousin is fired. Then they are fired UNIQUELY because their cousin was fired. Remind them that they LOVED this company and they toed the line and believed in everything the company did, yet they still got fired. Then tell them about Vindman and his twin brother who was fired even though he didn't even work in the same area as his brother. Ask them if that is the kind of country they want. And then tell them that is exactly what they'll get if they are so goddamn apathetic as to not vote. Remind them as well, that they are voting not just for Biden, but all the people he will put into office. I hope you do this scrappinghappy because your children's friends (I will assume not your children) will be responsible for not just four more years of Trump, but a climate that is beyond repair and back alley abortions and inutterable fear that many government employees have today that they will lose their jobs if they say anything but Trump is a God.
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Post by Really Red on May 1, 2020 20:53:40 GMT
What's clear is that sexual assault isn't an issue unless the person accused stands for everything you don't agree with. Republicans that dismissed allegations on Trump, smeared Ford and now are suddenly very concerned with sexual assault, while Democrats smear Reade. It's absolutely disgusting to think the people we are placing in high office are sexual predators. No one has smeared Reade. Poor Dr. Ford was smeared left and right and driven from her home! Anita Hill was DESTROYED. All I have heard and seen is that people are saying that Reade's story has changed and it is suspect. That is not smearing.
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Post by tentoes on May 1, 2020 20:54:52 GMT
Nope. They are not the same. Biden was probably inappropriate with a number of women. He will not actively destroy our country and our world. Convincing me isn’t going to get large numbers of people to the polls. The Democrats knew people, especially young people, are not excited to get out and vote for Biden. They chose him anyway. It was not a good choice. I don't think it's a good choice either. I actually used to like Joe until I saw all the videos with him manhandling and sniffing little girls hair.
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Post by sunshine on May 1, 2020 20:55:32 GMT
I just hope if Biden wins he doesn't stick his nose and lips in Queen Elizabeth's ear while sniffing her hair, or try to slip Brigitte Macron the tongue.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on May 1, 2020 20:57:09 GMT
It's not true, it's your opinion.
Believe it or not there are actually people who so much can't stomach all this bullshit that they simply cannot put their name to either candidate choosing instead a third party or vote of no confidence.
You don't have to agree with any of that but that is actually true, not just my opinion.
There are all kinds of reasons why people vote (or not) the way they do. It is the height of disdain and condescension for someone to claim others are stupid for not buying into a wholly corrupt system. That is my opinion.
Oh. Honey. If we wait around until there is a wholly pure system... And you bet your ass I feel superior to those who are so short-sighted they are willing to throw a little toddler tantrum that only serves to help get that thing in the WH reelected. Do they honestly think that four more years of him and McConnell is going to get them any closer to their idealistic dreamy pink cloud unicorn existence? At least they would have a running start if the Democrat won. Good for you!
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Post by tentoes on May 1, 2020 20:57:16 GMT
You got me, what does Joe Biden’s university records have to do with this? Exactly. They are as relevant as Trump's university records and transcripts, but no one is clamoring for his records. Was he involved in misconduct as a student? Did he really pass his classes? What's in his academic file? Or is he just afraid that his college records will prove once and for all using an objective standard that he does NOT have a "big, beautiful brain?" Joe has asked for the records that pertain to this matter--employment files stored in the National Archives. Those are NOT his personal congressional work files that would have been given to the University. He had no control over personnel files for anyone who worked for him, and I imagine he would have broken the law, or at least HR policy, if he had copied a staffer's employment information for his "library." Obama never released his school records or his birth records for that matter.
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Post by freecharlie on May 1, 2020 20:58:29 GMT
FWIW I was almost able to believe Kavanaugh should not be held responsible for teenage behavior. People do grow learn and change. It was his demeanor in dealing with the hearing and his spiteful tantrums that made me feel he was a spoiled selfish soul. HE LIKED BEER!!!!
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Post by freecharlie on May 1, 2020 20:59:02 GMT
I just hope if Biden wins he doesn't stick his nose and lips in Queen Elizabeth's ear while sniffing her hair, or try to slip Brigitte Macron the tongue. Oh fffs, really? Has Trump grabbed either one by the pussy lately?
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Post by sunshine on May 1, 2020 21:00:30 GMT
I just hope if Biden wins he doesn't stick his nose and lips in Queen Elizabeth's ear while sniffing her hair, or try to slip Brigitte Macron the tongue. Oh fffs, really? Has Trump grabbed either one by the pussy lately? I don't know, but there is plenty of video of Joe. A lot.
And Biden with the little girls is extremely disturbing.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2020 21:04:53 GMT
Isn't the more PC questions "do we believe her?"No. He is still not willing to unseal his University records. That hardly seems like a full investigation Were Kavanaugh and trump assaults fully investigated? Or were they shut down...I forget...
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Post by bazinga on May 1, 2020 21:10:13 GMT
I didn’t think it was right to put Kavanaugh through that, and I don’t think it’s right to put Biden through it. Kavanaugh did have to go through it though, so I don’t know why Biden wouldn’t either, unless we want to admit it was wrong to do it to Kavanaugh. Two different situations. Kavanaugh's job is a lifetime appointment. IMHO Supreme Court justices have the ability to make greater and longer lasting decisions for the USA. Biden is pursuing a four year position, and because of his age a second term is doubtful. He too can change our world, but there's recourse when we disagree. FWIW I was almost able to believe Kavanaugh should not be held responsible for teenage behavior. People do grow learn and change. It was his demeanor in dealing with the hearing and his spiteful tantrums that made me feel he was a spoiled selfish soul. I see your point. I consider that the Supreme Court is more than one person, so it’s not just him. I wish they had term limits, and that the standards for POTUS would be as high as for a Supreme Court nominee. Either way, it’s a difficult situation that sucks for everyone. Thanks for being so reasonable and respectful with your reply.
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Post by questioning on May 1, 2020 21:12:24 GMT
Two different situations. Kavanaugh's job is a lifetime appointment. IMHO Supreme Court justices have the ability to make greater and longer lasting decisions for the USA. Biden is pursuing a four year position, and because of his age a second term is doubtful. He too can change our world, but there's recourse when we disagree. FWIW I was almost able to believe Kavanaugh should not be held responsible for teenage behavior. People do grow learn and change. It was his demeanor in dealing with the hearing and his spiteful tantrums that made me feel he was a spoiled selfish soul. I see your point. I consider that the Supreme Court is more than one person, so it’s not just him. I wish they had term limits, and that the standards for POTUS would be as high as for a Supreme Court nominee. Either way, it’s a difficult situation that sucks for everyone. Thanks for being so reasonable and respectful with your reply. And you with yours! Thank you!
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Post by J u l e e on May 1, 2020 21:13:04 GMT
I despise “handsy” men. Loathe. I don’t have a word strong enough.
I cannot believe I have to vote for an old man who has been accused of sexual assault. I can’t believe my daughter has to. I’m pretty angry about it.
I don’t ever want to question when a woman decides to tell her story. That will never feel right to me. And I won’t do it now.
Other posters have said it before me - I’m not voting for Biden. I’m voting to save what’s left of our country. I’m not even confident in our election process, but I want to be on the right side of history.
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Post by sassyangel on May 1, 2020 21:19:27 GMT
Can anyone explain why this was brought up now? Biden has run for office several times and was VP. Why is this coming up now, and not even during the primaries? Because TPTB didn’t want Bernie as a candidate, so they ignored this until Bernie was out of the picture and then made it a national story the day after Bernie quit the race. Clearly that wasn’t a coincidence. How was Bernie going to inspire the apathetic masses to come out and vote for him, when they didn’t do it enough in the primaries in order to get him to that point?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 21:20:48 GMT
Because women didn't do that in those days!!! If you're Christine's age (which I am) and you had that kind of thing happen to you (which a friend of mine did), you were just happy to get away unharmed (except psychologically). Blasey Ford said that, while his friend Mark Judge watched, Kavanaugh, intoxicated, held her down on a bed with his body, grinding against and groping her, covering her mouth when she tried to scream and trying to pull her clothes off. It was just "boys being boys" and "that's not rape". I'm awfully glad you brought this up.
Tara Reade's alleged assault took place in 1993, she filed her police report on April 9, 2020.
Ford could EASILY have filed a police report when she formally accused Kavanaugh in 2018. She didn't. That was my point.
Could she have? What's the statue of limitations in that location? What was it then? Now? I don't know that. If you do please include a source for your assertion.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 21:22:11 GMT
Exactly. They are as relevant as Trump's university records and transcripts, but no one is clamoring for his records. Was he involved in misconduct as a student? Did he really pass his classes? What's in his academic file? Or is he just afraid that his college records will prove once and for all using an objective standard that he does NOT have a "big, beautiful brain?" Joe has asked for the records that pertain to this matter--employment files stored in the National Archives. Those are NOT his personal congressional work files that would have been given to the University. He had no control over personnel files for anyone who worked for him, and I imagine he would have broken the law, or at least HR policy, if he had copied a staffer's employment information for his "library." Obama never released his school records or his birth records for that matter. WTF. No one cares about his school records. The University records are his congressional records that he gave to the University of Delaware and that they are not releasing. All it would take is one word from him to open those records up and he could clear up the entire matter or at least actually give more than lip service to being fully transparent on the issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 21:24:55 GMT
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