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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 22:56:45 GMT
is just a cruel and sh(#%*# thing to do.
They deserve so much better than this. They deserve a just and peaceful world. We bring them into a world of injustice and violence and ignorance and want.
I can't even anymore with the misery in so many directions.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 2, 2020 23:03:41 GMT
Add the inevitable ecological catastrophe to this and you've got part of why I decided to remain childfree. This is a harsh place. My own mother openly admitted that she didn't expect things to turn out this bad when she had me three decades ago.
I see my friends with children unable to form some sort of happy bubble that lasts long enough to give them the illusion that all's well and better things are ahead. When the façade crumbles for a moment and I get a glimpse of the amount of anxiety and fear they're in for their offspring, I am at a loss for words to comfort them.
We are watching several major tragedies play out in front of our eyes and no matter how hard we try, they just can't seem to be stopped. At best, we can attempt for the least of the bad options. Or perhaps the least of the worst options, I'm no longer sure.
My genuine sympathy to parents struggling with the state of the world right now and in the future. There's no escaping or avoiding the immense crises ahead. I can only imagine the heartbreak when you have children in this.
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Post by Zee on Jun 2, 2020 23:05:11 GMT
No. Not at all. How else will there continue to be good people in the world if we're not willing to raise them?
I have been so proud of the words my DD has posted on FB the past couple of days. (DS doesn't do social media)
I definitely feel like I've contributed to making the world better by putting those two young people in it.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 2, 2020 23:06:14 GMT
I don't have kids, because it wasn't my choice or path.
But I see having them as an act of radical, beautiful hope. Here's to good people raising more good people.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 2, 2020 23:07:58 GMT
I think every generation ponders that and yet life goes on.
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Post by MichyM on Jun 2, 2020 23:18:21 GMT
My son is 30 years old. I’ve always wanted grandchildren and would be a fabulous grandmother. Over the past 5 years he’s slowly changed his mind as to whether he wants children at all. While I pretty Much have kept my disappointment to myself, Over the past couple of years I have actually felt increasingly (and very surprisingly) relieved about his decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 23:48:57 GMT
No. Not at all. How else will there continue to be good people in the world if we're not willing to raise them? I have been so proud of the words my DD has posted on FB the past couple of days. (DS doesn't do social media) I definitely feel like I've contributed to making the world better by putting those two young people in it. Most days I tell myself this too. But today has been hard to convince myself of it. Today it seems the world just eats up the 'good people' - between people's selfish actions, and natural disasters and, of course, diseases.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 2, 2020 23:59:49 GMT
I have six kids, which is, to put it mildly, something that makes me a huge outlier in the communities in which I take part.
I often joke that it's our "quiverfull for social justice," but I really kinda mean it. I mostly had them because every time I had a kid, I wanted more, but also because I want to send people out into the world equipped to make it a better place (it's part of what I like about being a professor as well, although I'm a lot more neutral, obviously, with the values I try to instill with adult students from a variety of political and social backgrounds).
My oldest kid has been participating in the protests here, and has helped change their communities for the better (eg, they helped get a gender-neutral bathroom at their high school so more students could feel comfortable). We've been dealing with the same issues for hundreds of years -- we need a crop of young people who are equipped and willing to make positive changes.
I am really sorry about what this year in particular is putting kids through. Before we wait on these small people to grow up and effect change, let's do as much as we can to make the world the one we want these kids to have.
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Post by used2scrap on Jun 3, 2020 0:05:09 GMT
Yes. For me personally though, not in judgement of others. Personal family circumstances plus the world and I am filled with regret for the lives I’m responsible for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 0:07:49 GMT
No. Not at all. How else will there continue to be good people in the world if we're not willing to raise them? Absolutely this! I’ve tried to be a better parent & citizen than my parents were. My kids are doing a better job than I did. It’s a life lesson for all of us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 0:09:49 GMT
is just a cruel and sh(#%*# thing to do. They deserve so much better than this. They deserve a just and peaceful world. We bring them into a world of injustice and violence and ignorance and want. I can't even anymore with the misery in so many directions. If not the next generation, then who? Who can make this world a better place? I feel that with each generation we have seen progress and changes that the world needs. My kids are wonderfully woke, compassionate, kind, loving kids who are making changes in my community. They are doing things that I just was either not aware of, or couldn't do it myself. I have hope for the future of this world because of my kids.
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Post by Dallie on Jun 3, 2020 0:16:21 GMT
I have pondering for a while, the question of if I were now deciding to have children or not, what my answer would be.
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Post by leannec on Jun 3, 2020 0:26:34 GMT
Children are always a gift ... they are resilient ... they can change the world
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Post by myboysnme on Jun 3, 2020 0:34:23 GMT
Life has always been like this to much greater levels and lesser levels ebb and flow. We only have today, and my children make me feel happiness and purpose. They in turn find their happiness. Life is hard in some ways and easier in others. They got to vote for the first black president twice. They have both been able to graduate from college and pursue their own paths.
I think this is as good a time as any to be alive. There is much to be enjoyed and embraced about life.
Yes, many things are abhorrent and despondent. But they always have been for one group or another, or for any singular person at various times. We don't get to live gilded lives. But all we ever have is today anyway. If you wake up to another day it can be better or worse, until your time is done.
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Post by Olan on Jun 3, 2020 0:43:38 GMT
I’ve felt that way a lot in the past 5-6 years and it just happened to coincide with the timeframe I really needed to make family planning decisions. I’m 35 now and dating the most suitable co-parent I’ve ever loved so it’s a real sore spot nowadays. Just this weekend we were outside laying on a blanket and I starting crying. My angry/sad cries are silent hot fast flowing tears so when we got up he complained that the oil in my hair ruined another of his shirts LMAO. I didn’t have the heart to tell him it would dry. Glad it wasn’t apparent because we haven’t seriously discussed children yet though I have ruined all of his shirts with my castor oil drenched locs.
May I share a relevant bible verse?
“Cast thy bread upon the waters; for thou shalt find it after many days. Give a portion to seven, yea, even unto eight; for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth. If the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth; and if a tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there shall it be. He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap. As thou knowest not what is the way of the wind, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child; even so thou knowest not the work of God who doeth all. In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thy hand; for thou knowest not which shall prosper, whether this or that, or whether they both shall be alike good.
Yea, if a man live many years, let him rejoice in them all; but let him remember the days of darkness, for they shall be many. All that cometh is vanity.” Ecclesiastes 11:1-6, 8 ASV
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 3, 2020 1:02:07 GMT
I had no idea ten years ago when I had my kid just how fast things could turn into such a total shitshow. Back then everything was on such a hopeful, upward trajectory. All I can do at this point is to hope for the best that we as a country can right the ship in November and at least start on the path to put things back together again. Maybe by the time she graduates from college we’ll have back most of what we’ve lost.
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Post by tara on Jun 3, 2020 1:36:21 GMT
My two oldest kids are biological. When they were teenagers my husband and I decided we wanted more. At the time I was still able to have kids but there’s so many other kids that needed a home. We adopted three from foster care. I want to say everyone has to do what’s right for them and their family.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Jun 3, 2020 1:57:33 GMT
I thought of this. While I'm not sure I would choose to have children now, I'm glad we had the two we did (20 and 23). Times have always been a struggle for one reason or another and yet people kept having kids. My mom grew up during the Depression era and still had 5 kids (who then only had 4). I would be hesitant to have a large family at this point if I were in my childbearing years. Just seems like there's not enough resources in the future for that sort of thing.
At the moment, I wouldn't be too upset if my kids didn't have any. My BF has two grown/married kids in their 30's and his daughter has what looks to be his only grandchild he will have at this point.
In a related topic, there was a group from this area of Pittsburgh (the Harmony Society) who didn't marry often and took a vow of celibacy. Obviously, that eventually led to the group disbanding as the members died off with no offspring. I don't see that happening with society in general though.
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Post by ~summer~ on Jun 3, 2020 2:17:33 GMT
With global ecosystem collapse and global warming I’m scared for my kids’ kids. I always have been.
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Post by StephDRebel on Jun 3, 2020 2:33:03 GMT
Nope.
I want my kids and their friends to have all the babies and raise them with their courage and convictions.
They're doing so much better, so much younger than I ever did.
Their kids and grandkids? They have the potential to change the entire world.
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Post by MaryMary on Jun 3, 2020 7:33:23 GMT
I regret everything. I would never have kids now. I regret having the ones I did, although I love them with my whole soul. I am too broken to give them the life they deserved. The world is too broken to be a safe home for them.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Jun 3, 2020 7:51:25 GMT
We couldn't have children. That is a permanent open wound for both of us. I'm an optimistic person, but sometimes, sometimes, I can't help feeling that it was for the best.
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Post by sueg on Jun 3, 2020 8:21:32 GMT
My parents were born in 1937 and both had younger siblings. I wonder if my grandparents felt the same way when they were young, and WW11 unfolded. My grandparents were born in the 1900s - their parents had to face WW1 and then the Spanish flu outbreak with little ones. Our world has always had tragedies and dark times and we have come through the other side. I am now grandparent age, and do not regret having children at all. I have a 14 month old grandchild, who took a lot of medical assistance to even be conceived, and I am so glad her parents didn't think the world was too hard to bring a child into - she is a light of love and hope and a reason to act for change in these difficult times.
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Post by gar on Jun 3, 2020 8:22:25 GMT
is just a cruel and sh(#%*# thing to do. No I don't. We are going through a very difficult period (it must seem even more magnified with all the violence in the USA at the moment) but the pandemic will be brought under control/treatments and a vaccine found, the old white men will die and woke generations will take their place and will be more open minded and inclusive, innovation, technology and a change of thinking will help us to save the planet...and all of that needs young people whose instinct is to do and be better. I see my 20 something son-in-law pioneering in his field, I see my little grandson and his alert, enquiring, joyful mind and they give me hope. Dark days don't last.
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Post by gillyp on Jun 3, 2020 10:18:11 GMT
I expect this question has been asked throughout the centuries. There has always been horrors, bloodshed, plagues etc. and we endure. We cope with what we are given and we still endure. Children are hope. Lol gar I hadn't read your post and I see we are thinking alike.
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Post by gar on Jun 3, 2020 10:37:29 GMT
gillyp and sueg I think you're right - people will inevitably have thought this in decades and centuries past - peaks and troughs...
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Post by pancakes on Jun 3, 2020 10:39:48 GMT
I joined a new moms group, and we were having a similar discussion. The consensus is that we hope our kids will be leaders who affect change and grow up with more awareness than any of us have had.
Besides, there’s no doubt that there will continue to be people who raise their kids to have racist views. There need to be more who don’t.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 3, 2020 11:33:24 GMT
I agree with everything Zee said. Just like @knot I feel that I have been a better parent and citizen than my own parents. And my children are light years ahead mentally from where I was. I watched my DD speak out this week and I couldn't be more proud of her. She is truly a sensitive and caring person. I am grateful that we moved out of the small town where we had been when they were little and we moved to an area for a year where they were the minority in their school. And then to finally land in an area where we are mixed. All this has been a valuable experience for my kids. Her good friend TJ lives with his grandmother. And to say that woman has given my DD a positive experience with strong black women is an understatement. That woman has been there for her role modeling in a way that I can't and nuturing her. I am forever grateful for that relationship.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jun 3, 2020 13:19:04 GMT
Never. And that one child could be the one person that might do some real good for the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 13:34:32 GMT
gillyp and sueg I think you're right - people will inevitably have thought this in decades and centuries past - peaks and troughs... I think so too. But we know more now. We have more information about how life works. We aren't just plodding along w/no alternatives. Maybe we owe more to our kids than they did in the past? I don't know. I just know it feels awful to look my kids in the eyes when they're hurting about the horrors in this world and say, "Well, you can fix it! - Climate change, violence, inequality, poverty, disease, disasters, etc. - That's your job! Isn't that great!?" We owe them better. You don't have to answer. I just needed to get this out.
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