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Post by pierkiss on Jun 11, 2020 12:02:46 GMT
I think they’re just stupid and maybe they feel invincible. I also think they have a very strong desire to get back to life as normal.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 11, 2020 12:03:48 GMT
I will find it interesting to see if the numbers spike nationally because of the protests. Most protesters were wearing masks. Definitely a higher percentage than I see at my local grocery store! I would think at this point, 2 weeks into the protests, we would start ands see some spikes. I also believe that we will see more tested=more + results. The number I will keep my eye on is the hospitalizations. THAT is what we need to be looking at.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 11, 2020 12:06:34 GMT
My honest feeling is that a lot of people simply said "done" when they saw all the protesters and looters. The feeling for many was "what the heck am **I** doing home when tens of thousands of others are out and none of the people who have been screaming "stay home or die" even seem to care. I know that's been my own thinking (although DH and I are still SIP) and the thinking of many, many others. I think when all the marching began, the end of SIP began. Wait 2-4 weeks. A bunch of them will be sick. Some of them will die from the virus. Virus numbers are already on the upswing in states that have relaxed all their stay at home orders. They will get worse.
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Post by salem on Jun 11, 2020 12:07:39 GMT
My honest feeling is that a lot of people simply said "done" when they saw all the protesters and looters. The feeling for many was "what the heck am **I** doing home when tens of thousands of others are out and none of the people who have been screaming "stay home or die" even seem to care. I know that's been my own thinking (although DH and I are still SIP) and the thinking of many, many others. I think when all the marching began, the end of SIP began. This. I totally agree. My DH and I have been working through the whole thing, so we’ve been home when possible, but out of the house way more than some people. I think the protest marches have triggered a lot of feeling that being home is not necessary and unfair. I guess we’ll find out if new cases skyrocket in about a week.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 11, 2020 12:18:36 GMT
This. I totally agree. My DH and I have been working through the whole thing, so we’ve been home when possible, but out of the house way more than some people. I think the protest marches have triggered a lot of feeling that being home is not necessary and unfair. I guess we’ll find out if new cases skyrocket in about a week. Plus the three funerals for Mr. Floyd where many did not have masks on.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 11, 2020 12:45:37 GMT
My honest feeling is that a lot of people simply said "done" when they saw all the protesters and looters. The feeling for many was "what the heck am **I** doing home when tens of thousands of others are out and none of the people who have been screaming "stay home or die" even seem to care. I know that's been my own thinking (although DH and I are still SIP) and the thinking of many, many others. I think when all the marching began, the end of SIP began. I don't think it is fair to blame BLM protestors for this. People were starting to get impatient before this started (although the killing of George Floyd did take the focus of the news from Covid to racial inequality). Remember those protests by the "I need a hair cut" crowd? Many people had already started getting together by Mother's Day. I also think it is pretty short-sighted to not be able to see why people are protesting for racial equality RIGHT NOW, despite the risks of the virus. It isn't like they just randomly chose this as the time to do it. Many people feel that they are more at risk from racism at the moment than they are Covid. Do I think that the protests could increase the spread? Yes. But I understand why people are doing it and it doesn't make me feel jealous of them that they are out and about and I am not.
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Post by h2ohdog on Jun 11, 2020 12:53:58 GMT
My honest feeling is that people create narratives to support their own beliefs and prejudices. Exactly this. There is even a term for this, which I’m too old to remember I live in a tourist area and I realize this is a very small percentage of the world, but I suspected that the tourists were coming up to "forget" that there was a pandemic, as mist were not wearing masks and congregating like it was 2019. Bu t I was surprised that my 30s summer-only neighbors said that was the exact reason they come up. Sigh. I’m guilty of the same creating my own narrative as everyone else. I think it’s a certain segment of people who think it won’t affect them, of all ages. FWIW, although locals though there would be an explosion of cases once the tourists came up, so far there have only been a few, and still no deaths (13 cases in my county, up from 7 a month ago).
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Post by ajsweetpea on Jun 11, 2020 13:10:53 GMT
I’ve noticed people of all ages doing stuff that is risky. I think geographic area also has a big impact. We had a lot of cases here and I think people are more mindful of wearing masks, social distancing, etc. My friend and her husband are moving across the country due to a job change and she was shocked at what she saw in several states... no one wearing masks, stores filled with tons of people walking around like things were back to normal, etc. I, personally, am still home the majority of the time. I will go on walks with a friend or let my kids go biking with a friend, but that’s about it. As I feel more comfortable, I may be open to doing more. In the meantime, I feel like we may as well enjoy the warm weather and being outdoors! But I believe this pandemic is far from over! Here’s a really interesting article I read about it: www.bluezones.com/2020/06/covid-19-straight-answers-from-top-epidemiologist-who-predicted-the-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR36toYf69CrmoUWZ_Jws0YwDWPZX2W66rV9syB4XJvYD4aqQqCS1-QLrXM
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Post by supersoda on Jun 11, 2020 13:24:52 GMT
The rest of us should be able to get about our lives if we use precautions.If somebody is high risk, let them stay home. The rest of us should be able to get about our lives if we use precautions. I've really wrestled with this. As someone who is high risk and has two high risk family members, I've come to see how ableist this kind of thinking is. Basically, "we're gonna stick you on a shelf and move on without you." We want to hug our families, go to church, and shop again too. It's difficult to be told to just suck it up and let life pass by when the fact is that people being reckless (not saying you are) is going to set us ALL backwards.This. I think selfishness and lack of courtesy has been a problem for years, and it is startlingly evident right now. Texas is spiking since opening up (likely too early for protests to be the cause)., because people won't do what they're supposed to do. I understand not wanting to tank the economy, but people won't follow basic precautions, like mask wearing, unless they're required to do so. Parking lots are full and it looks like 50/50 are wearing masks. This is NOT following recommendations. Maybe you don't care about your own health, or think you're invincible, or that it's all a hoax. But you're putting the grocery, and retail, and restaurant, and healthcare workers at risk when you refuse to follow simple protocols. People who are simply trying to pay their bills and do their jobs. And every day that those of you who ignore protocols continue to do so, is another day that the rest of us can't get back to "normal." And that is something that affects the economy for everybody and keeps people out of work. Yep, I'm angry. I've been doing what I'm supposed to do and there's no end in sight due to ignorance and selfishness.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 11, 2020 13:28:17 GMT
I will find it interesting to see if the numbers spike nationally because of the protests. Most protesters were wearing masks. Definitely a higher percentage than I see at my local grocery store! I would think at this point, 2 weeks into the protests, we would start ands see some spikes. I also believe that we will see more tested=more + results. The number I will keep my eye on is the hospitalizations. THAT is what we need to be looking at. I totally agree. As long as the hospitals aren't getting to the point of being overwhelmed I will go about my life (with precautions).
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 11, 2020 13:32:00 GMT
Honest question: what do you consider "the end"? The virus isn't going to go away on it's own and people not wearing masks isn't going to impact how quickly a vaccine is developed. FWIW, I totally agree w/ the rest of your post about mask wearing and people taking precautions. I'm just curious what people consider to be the finish line goal here.
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Post by librarylady on Jun 11, 2020 13:47:49 GMT
Finish line = 14 days with no new cases (my definition)
I can't tell you who is out and about because we are still SIP. I'm past 70 and he is past 80. Grocery store, meal PU and very important items are all we are going out for.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 11, 2020 13:51:11 GMT
I have to go back to work next week. Which means I’ll be everywhere, seeing a possible 100 Or more people a week. We will see how that works out.
I have been SIP since March and even my groceries have been delivered the last 3 weeks ( by DS none of our stores have delivery ) this weekend I AM visiting family who have also SIP since March. I feel it is more responsible to do it now while we have all been SIP than after I go back to work. My state has lifted SIP with precautions, so I’m not breaking any orders. I do not feel it is acceptable to be visiting people after I go back to working in the field seeing all sorts of people so it will be a long time before I see family again.
Possibly until there is a vaccine 🙁
This is IMO the most responsible time to be visiting family in my situation.
Thankfully DD is returning home beginning of July so I won’t be all by myself I haven’t seen DD in person in a year. So I’m very happy to be able to see her in person. ❤️
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 13:52:30 GMT
In my county the age groups from 20 to 60 are the highest positives (1k to 1.1k) with the 61+ group close behind at 900 confirmed cases. Without knowing the total population of each age group that’s not a fair comparison. If I had to guess I’d say the population of 20-60 year olds is far far greater than that of those over 60. You’re comparing apples to oranges here. As for the age groups that are out and about..... honestly I don’t pay much attention. I guess the places I’ve been people are mostly in the mid-range (20s-50s) but I’m not hanging out at places where young or old people gather. Not avoiding them per say just that those places aren’t on my todo list right now. 16% of my county is age 20-29. 16% of my county is 60+. 20-29 age group is at 1k cases. 60+ group is age at 1.6k cases 60-69 age group alone is at 825 cases. My counties highest age groups is 0-4 and 5-10.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 13:58:10 GMT
I will find it interesting to see if the numbers spike nationally because of the protests. Most protesters were wearing masks. Definitely a higher percentage than I see at my local grocery store! I would think at this point, 2 weeks into the protests, we would start ands see some spikes. I also believe that we will see more tested=more + results. The number I will keep my eye on is the hospitalizations. THAT is what we need to be looking at. Once my county offered free no questions asked testing, our numbers went up. But we went from 10% positive to 7%. Our hospital rates have also gone down even though positive cases have gone up. And there is no lots of places to get covid serum testing.
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Post by Really Red on Jun 11, 2020 13:59:06 GMT
I will be honest, when we were recommended to isolate and stay home, it was all the older generation i saw out and about while I was going to work. They were out shopping, driving around, doing the drive thrus etc. They were the ones not keeping 6' from people in the stores, and touches (hand on arms, hugging, etc). When stage 1 opened here, guess who were the ones 1st in line waiting in really long lines and no masks...yup the older generation. They were also the ones w the snarky comments about having to wait in line and how long it took bc we have to clean between every client. Yes. I am mostly SIP and FWIW I have a super fun and active life. I have organized a BLM vigil, I sit on the street with my neighbor buddies and I go to the lake, but I am still SUPER cautious. I went to a regular (non grocery) store for the first time yesterday and it was VERY well organized. The only people without masks were the older (60s +) people. In the long checkout line, there were feetprints on where to stand. The no-mask lady behind me was literally on top of me. Her cart was behind her and if I turned I would have bumped into her. She kept reaching around me to look at things and finally bumped into me. I was pissed, but tried to be nice and asked her to step back. I would have done this even pre-pandemic. I mean we were in that line for 20 minutes! She had time to check everything out without crowding others. In any case, she looked like she'd do something to me, so I turned away. But older people seem to touch you a lot. Ugh.
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Post by Montannie on Jun 11, 2020 13:59:16 GMT
Sadly, I think many have concluded that some Americans will have to be "sacrificed" to the virus so everyone else can enjoy their own lives.
Americans couldn't pull together for even three months.
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Post by sam9 on Jun 11, 2020 13:59:40 GMT
I haven't read all the comments, but I'm listening to what my local government decides. All decisions are being made with a board of medical "experts", so I think that it's the best advice I'm going to get. My family and I are all healthy. Baseball practice starts on Saturday, hairdressers are being allowed to open on June 15 and restaurants on June 21. Every activity comes with guidelines such as social distancing and wearing masks.
I'm not going to be looking at anyone sideways if they decide to participate in these activities, regardless of their ages. Each person has a responsibility to evaluate their own circumstances and determine whether or not something is safe for themselves. I can't wait to make reservations for dinner out!
The world, and economy, can't stay closed until a cure or vaccine is found.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 11, 2020 13:59:50 GMT
Because white men storming state capitals with guns but no masks and blocking ambulances from getting to hospitals weren’t already out of SIP and causing the same risks to others. Because all the folks who refuse to wear masks aren’t putting others at risk, screaming & spitting at people wearing masks.
Oh no, it’s only the protestors for racial equality who are ‘bad’?
Give me a god damn break, that is a lot of ‘white’ washing right there. Create your own scenario about who is ‘guilty’ and who is entitled.
People’s attitudes about SIP changed long before George Floyd was murdered. At the very least it changed with the storming of the state capital and the I need a hair cut & to go to the gym protests in early May.
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Post by supersoda on Jun 11, 2020 14:02:54 GMT
Honest question: what do you consider "the end"? The virus isn't going to go away on it's own and people not wearing masks isn't going to impact how quickly a vaccine is developed. FWIW, I totally agree w/ the rest of your post about mask wearing and people taking precautions. I'm just curious what people consider to be the finish line goal here. I don't know what the end is. But it sure isn't an increase in cases like we're seeing right now (Dallas county set multiple records for new cases and hospitalizations over the last week.) And while mask wearing and isolating might not speed up how quickly a vaccine is developed, it will absolutely reduce the number of people who die or become sick in the meantime. Also, the vaccine isn't going to be an immediate fix. How many people who refuse to wear a mask will voluntarily get a vaccine?
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Post by luvnlifelady on Jun 11, 2020 14:18:11 GMT
I am 54 and my bf is 61. We have been trail walking since the beginning (and working public facing most of the time, especially him since he's management).
We have also been doing our regular shopping.
Now, if we had little kids at home, that may have altered our behavior. I purposely did not take my scheduled trip to see my adult kids (20 and 23) for fear of taking them something (my son can get asthmatic when sick).
Around here, it seems like a large variety of people that are getting back out there.
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Post by bigbundt on Jun 11, 2020 14:19:13 GMT
The rest of us should be able to get about our lives if we use precautions.If somebody is high risk, let them stay home. The rest of us should be able to get about our lives if we use precautions. I've really wrestled with this. As someone who is high risk and has two high risk family members, I've come to see how ableist this kind of thinking is. Basically, "we're gonna stick you on a shelf and move on without you." We want to hug our families, go to church, and shop again too. It's difficult to be told to just suck it up and let life pass by when the fact is that people being reckless (not saying you are) is going to set us ALL backwards. I don't get the "ablelist" argument because if the SIP has done one thing, it is to give those vulnerable MORE options than would have existed had there been no SIP. Do you think companies would have allowed work from home on the scale they did unless everyone had to stay home? Do you think restaurants some retail would have pivoted their model to delivery/take out/curbside pick up to the scale they did unless they had to? A lot of these places are now realizing they can have some sort of hybrid of the new way and old way of business and will be able to serve both those who are vulnerable better than before SIP. Those who can go back to the old way will, those who need accommodations to stay somewhat isolated now have more options that didn't even exist a few months ago. Do I wish more people would take this seriously? Sure but all I can do is control what I do and influence what my family does. My kids still stay home for the most part but we have recently allowed them to start playing with neighborhood friends. I don't minimize my shopping trips anymore but I do wear a mask when I go out. We still use hand sanitizer and wash our hands. We have gone and eaten in a restaurant for lunch. I support my kids returning to school in the fall. Here is another perspective. Most people stayed home for three months in order to flatten the curve so that healthcare systems were not overwhelmed and to prevent, not eradicate, as many of the vulnerable from getting sick and dying. That has been achieved in many places so it is time to pivot to take care of the mental health of those who have been suffering from the SIP. If we need to pivot back in the fall, then we pivot.
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Post by mich5481 on Jun 11, 2020 14:19:45 GMT
I am immunocompromised, so I've been taking precautions. I have made some slight changes though.
I got a hair cut a few weeks ago, but the stylist and I were the only people in the building - I was the first appointment of the day. I would not have gotten a haircut, except that I had an upcoming job interview.
I drove to NC last month for the job interview, and I met a total of 3 people for the interviews on two separate days (I met with each person individually, and we maintained social distancing). I didn't wear a mask because it was a job interview. Fortunately, I got the job (which I very badly needed). I start July 13th.
I then drove back to FL, where I've mostly stayed at home getting ready to move. I've gone to the vet to drop off the dogs and pick them up, the dentist for a needed filling, and the grocery store twice. That's it. I did talk to one neighbor yesterday, but we were about 10 feet apart on his front yard.
My church in Florida has resumed choir rehearsal and they had the first in person service with people singing from the choir loft last Sunday. People are spread out in the loft, and the orchestra is on the floor of the choir. I have NOT been back to choir rehearsal or church though. At this point, I may go back for one final rehearsal to say good bye to everyone before I leave. I don't have family in this area, so it is highly unlikely I will be back anytime soon. Thankfully, I am not a hugger, so social distancing will work in my favor. 😉
I've found in my area a mixture of compliance with masks and social distancing. I know many of my friends (we're old Millennials- Oregon Trail generation) have been annoyed with our parents (hello Boomer) and their inability to stay home. My dad has definitely not liked being told to stay home and I highly doubt he wears a mask in public.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 11, 2020 14:35:15 GMT
When I look out the window, it seems like most people have decided to move on from the concerns of the pandemic. No mask. Walking in groups. Going to the neighbor's to join in a 35+ person party. And some people never had a chance to SIP. Medical workers, grocery workers, take out restaurant workers have all had to risk their health in the name of being essential workers. I'm trying to do what's right for my family. We have a mix of older people, medically compromised people, and healthy people (like me) all in one household. I'm following the science as close as I can. We did SIP from March until this month, only me leaving to bulk grocery shop, and having everything else delivered. Yes, every one else stayed home. Yes, it was different, and not always fun. I bought activities for the kids to do at home to help pass the time. No, every day wasn't exciting. Yes, sometimes boring. But not so much so that I would risk their health for something more entertaining to do. Now we are in yellow phase, and I have taken the kids out. We went to a walking path where there happened to be no people within 6' of us. We wore masks. I had a hand sanitizer in my purse. Another trip out we went to a playground early in the morning, and were the only ones there (which is why I took them early). Masks worn again. Hands sanitized several times. It's hard to know how to balance getting back to a new normal and still being careful. Soon I will be going back to work. In the fall the kids will go back to school. We can only do the best we can. But where we can take precautions, we will. Why are you wearing masks when there’s no one else around? That’s not following the science, that’s just silly.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jun 11, 2020 14:41:31 GMT
Plus the three funerals for Mr. Floyd where many did not have masks on. And not a bit of social distancing was happening at the one held locally. Although there were some of the crowds shown in masks, not all of them were. The people not wearing masks tend to be young, teens and people in early 20s. Most of the elderly around here ARE wearing masks from what I have noticed. Exact opposite here. Most of the people without masks that I see are older (50+). The younger ones and children are the ones wearing them locally.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 11, 2020 14:47:20 GMT
When I look out the window, it seems like most people have decided to move on from the concerns of the pandemic. No mask. Walking in groups. Going to the neighbor's to join in a 35+ person party. And some people never had a chance to SIP. Medical workers, grocery workers, take out restaurant workers have all had to risk their health in the name of being essential workers. I'm trying to do what's right for my family. We have a mix of older people, medically compromised people, and healthy people (like me) all in one household. I'm following the science as close as I can. We did SIP from March until this month, only me leaving to bulk grocery shop, and having everything else delivered. Yes, every one else stayed home. Yes, it was different, and not always fun. I bought activities for the kids to do at home to help pass the time. No, every day wasn't exciting. Yes, sometimes boring. But not so much so that I would risk their health for something more entertaining to do. Now we are in yellow phase, and I have taken the kids out. We went to a walking path where there happened to be no people within 6' of us. We wore masks. I had a hand sanitizer in my purse. Another trip out we went to a playground early in the morning, and were the only ones there (which is why I took them early). Masks worn again. Hands sanitized several times. It's hard to know how to balance getting back to a new normal and still being careful. Soon I will be going back to work. In the fall the kids will go back to school. We can only do the best we can. But where we can take precautions, we will. Why are you wearing masks when there’s no one else around? That’s not following the science, that’s just silly. I envy your bluntness sometimes I agree, wearing a mask when out alone isn't something I would do, it's clearly something that makes her feel better so who cares? We're all coming at this from different perspectives. You went to a theme park which many found silly but that was right for your family (and based on the pics I've seen floating around the internet it was totally dead....I'm guessing you had a blast!....totally jealous). The more I read on here the more I'm reminded that there is a very, very wide range of reactions to this pandemic and we're all just doing the best we can.
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Post by lbp on Jun 11, 2020 15:00:41 GMT
I have worked the entire time as has my spouse. I've also gone to several stores, ordered food from restaurants, etc.. I wear a mask when in public areas, stores, etc... What I have noticed was that when I was in Talbots, Chicos, Macy's, etc... almost everyone is wearing a mask. However when I stopped yesterday at the Dollar General in my rural area to grab something on my way home, I was almost the only one in the store wearing a mask. Not even their employees had on masks. Hmmm...
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Post by peabay on Jun 11, 2020 15:07:36 GMT
Finish line = 14 days with no new cases (my definition) I can't tell you who is out and about because we are still SIP. I'm past 70 and he is past 80. Grocery store, meal PU and very important items are all we are going out for. I don't know why, but I never thought you were past 70. I have this picture in my head of you being this 30 something hipster librarian. Doesn't really change anything - you're a hip 70-something librarian, but I read this post and thought "Oh, that's interesting!"
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Post by *KAS* on Jun 11, 2020 15:08:22 GMT
I don't really notice that.
Most of my friends are out and about - sports has started back up, some are at the beach, etc. Most of them are families with kids in elementary/middle school, so not 'old.'
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Post by Sarah*H on Jun 11, 2020 15:08:39 GMT
FWIW, singing is one of the highest risk activities because of respiratory aerosols so you might want to rethink this if you're about to leave and start a new job. Consensus among voice professionals is that it probably won't be safe to resume group singing until there is a vaccine. Warning on choir singing
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