SIP-or not. Have you noticed?

My problem is that many of the people who are most vocal about opening up everything and getting about their lives are NOT great about precautions. And they often are very mocking about those who support precautions. And yes, they are very quick to tell anyone who is supportive of a cautious approach to just stay home and let the rest of them get on with their lives.

I see a lot of "me" focus from the people who want things opened up, a resistance to anyone telling them what they can and can’t do, and a real lack of "us" in their thinking. I think, for some people, it has more to do with political beliefs than age or even health situation.

There was a huge change here right around Memorial Day which also coincided with warm weather and school letting out. Many, many families with kids hit the wall and turned them loose. On the plus side, for the most part the kids are outdoors and everything has pointed to less transmission outside.

I've noticed that even my parents are struggling after 3 months of SIP. They have taken it very seriously as my dad is high risk - it also helps that they're not super social people in general, so it wasn't a dramatic change. But my mom is ready to visit. She's never gone more than a few months without seeing the grandkids and they had planned on visiting in March, so are way over due. I expect she will be here before my daughter leaves for college (knock on wood) if she has to wear a hazmat suit on the plane.

Absolutely agree there!

Hardly anyone wear masks here, I think I have noticed about a handful during these three months. Very glad the general recommendation is NOT to wear them. Infection rates might be a bit up, which is believed to be due to increased testing (they recommend everyone with any symptom that MIGHT be Corona get tested), but the number of people in hospital has decreased (think it is around 20 in the country, and only two on respirators). Anyone who has tested positive or has crossed to border, will be quarantined for ten days, and yes, random checks are being done. Almost everything has opened (or will be, as of Monday).

Our area in NY can move to phase 3..so restaurants can open to 25% and nail salons can open. Masks are still "required"...I hope that ends soon. There's so many other precautions in place plus we keep getting mixed messages about them, give us the option. Will I wear one, yes but I should "be allowed" to drop it in a store if no one is around. I think there are some who would wear one if it was an OPTION and not a REQUIREMENT

I still only go to the grocery store and went to Lowes yesterday. I don't get it. My neighbors house is a 24 hour party. He's in his 70s, she's in her 60s and they have two kids who just graduated. People in and out of that house all day. My dad is 72 and he's even been listening to me when I tell him to stay home. My sister, on the other hand, has taken her kids for haircuts, had manicures, been to the dentist for routine things, and her thought is "we need to live" I'll stay put.

Huh.  And here they're saying that touch contamination is much less of a concern.  No wonder no one knows WTF to do.

Well, our numbers have been low the entire time, so I’m going to continue to do as the FHI tells me to.

We are sheltering in place, wearing masks and social distancing. Here in Los Angeles cases are on the rise. My elderly neighbor went to the hairdresser.

I'm high risk and so is DH. We both plan to continue SIP.

My daughter who lives with us just got a job and us doing online training. After that she will be visiting homes which I'm a little concerned about. I keep hoping the clients/patients are some who are SIP as well.

I think I have it easier mentally with SIP. First there is lots of space so before it got too hot I was doing a lot of walking outside. Also, I was on bedrest with 3 pregnancies and then home with 3 preemies and got around very little with badly broken leg. I've found you can "live" while doing those things and in later years you don't really feel you missed much living. What really matters is how you were treating life outside of SIP before this all happened and what your next plans are.

Still, even for me, this is getting long. Sort of. I'm actually enjoying some of it. I'm ready to be alone in the house again for a couple of hours. DH, a big introvert, is totally loving it and wishes he could always work at home.

I watched a video of a man talking about how covid, Amy Cooper, George Floyd and others all came together to create the perfect time with the protests. He's right with the connection idea on so many other levels like with SIP too.

You can't really say _______ is the problem or _________ is not the problem. There are SO MANY things that have created this storm. You've also got the presidencies of Trump and Obama, the recession in 2008. I think it would be interesting to see where it all more fully started.

So back to the topic. I am finding it depends on where you are in the valley and what store. Jen, you might check out Asian stores. The store where I saw the most masks was an Asian grocery store. Nearly everyone there had one - but it's been a couple of weeks so I don't know now.

I have a little anxiety every time I go into a store - not because of the idea of getting sick, but because I have see all too many people post on facebook what they think of masks. I shouldn't care, but I get anxiety that I will see one of these people. It's stupid. I shouldn't have to be worried that someone will get after me or yell at me for trying to take care of myself.

Don't even understand your first two sentences. As for "up next", I am totally certain that all these protests will result in spikes--many people are wearing masks, but a good number aren't, and I've seen lots of photos of maskless police FWIW.

Can't really speak to what mayors and governors of other states are doing re: reopening. From the little I've seen/read,it seems to be sort of a disorganized clusterfuck dependent upon leaders' politics/ideology. For example, I understand Arizona has been having one of the worst spikes in the country, because the governor has apparently decided all along that coronavirus is a non-event. Others leaders who dwell in a fact-based universe, have made other decisions.

In CT, our governor is opening in stages according to preset metrics, and our first selectman refused to condone our local protest last Sunday because the oath he took when he took office (even while stating he was morally in favor).

People who deal in facts, such as MDs specializing in public health, are already acknowledging that the protests are high-risk activities. As for the people who don't deal in facts, well...

Radical change, such as the changes that built this country, come with risks. Radical change is not governed by the rules of an afternoon tea party. Sometimes it develops a life of its own, which is what we have seen over the past few days. 

We have been SIP since March 15th. I was the one doing all of the shopping for our house, my inlaws, and a couple of older/compromised neighbors. We have 4 kids (9, 7, 4, 2) they have been at home the whole time. Yesterday we went to school to pick up their things. There was a one-way path through the campus set up, boxes on the ground 6 feet apart for families to wait in, everyone was wearing masks, teachers were behind desks in their classroom doors. When they saw you they brought your bag up to the table and then stepped back. They also had dentist appointments on Monday, I would have canceled, but 2 of them had things I was concerned about and the dentist was super-efficient. They came out to the car and took everyone's temperature, everyone was wearing a mask, those working on teeth had face shields, the kids wore their masks till it was time for their teeth to be done and they went right back on as soon as they were done. My oldest did get to go back to horseback riding on Tuesday. Masks were required until they were in the outdoor arena, they had to tack and untack their horses, all equipment was being sanitized in between riders, hand washing and sanitizing stations were set up.

My mil has been over it for a while now. She retired a year ago and she is going insane being stuck in the house with my fil (who has been retired for 20+ years and rarely leaves the house). At first she pretended that she really missed our kids and wanted to come do a distance visit. But less than 5 minutes into the visit she said enough of this we are going for a hike. We have access to hiking from our road that was closed to the public, so the only way she could get to it was by coming to us. So they have been coming once a week to hike. They bring masks and put them on if they see anyone else on the trail. But we are far enough out that we have only been seeing one or two people when we are out.

Mil also had their masseuse come over, which I was appalled over. They have also started doing more of their grocery shopping. Which is fine, but if they are going to do that I would rather they just do all of it because I am over her passive aggressiveness when I don't/can't get to the store she wants right when she wants it. Dh is working from home and is super busy. So I either have to wait till he is done for the day to go shopping or try to get the younger 2 down for naps and then go and hope the older 2 don't destroy the house while I am gone.

My parents have been very careful (they are 10 years younger than my inlaws). My mom had to go back into the office at the beginning of the month. She goes M/W and every other F, she has her own office and doesn't leave it unless absolutely necessary and is wearing a mask when she isn't in there. She is desperate to go see my grandma, who is having a hard time with the isolation in her assisted living facility, but we don't know when that will happen.

My SILs in colorado seem to be over it. They also want my inlwas to drive out there to visit. They all also want us to commit to going to Cabo for Christmas, which I just think is crazy.

Exactly. It is a way for them to justify their actions.

In regards to @jonathons post about governors blaming the protestors for increases...I do think that might be a factor. But I also think that they were pressured to open by the impatient, hoax supporting trump crowd. Clearly, most areas were not ready to open based on the standards. So their choice to reopen was not based solely on that.

We can not compare our country to New Zealand.

They closed their borders.

They are secluded on an island.

Their population is 4.8 million.

US population is roughly 331,002,651.