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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 19:29:29 GMT
My kids are high risk. Dd is on IgG infusions. The both have a wide range of medical conditions. We are already planning and front loading ds on how we will handle going out, like to the movies. No snack/sippy cups, I will bring clorox wipes to wipe down our seats, one stuffy that will be washed when we get home. We will not require him to wear a mask - asthma, post pulmonary hypertension O2 sat issues, SPD.
He is already good about washing his hands. I also have hand sanitizer if needed.
I see nothing wrong with going out while being safe.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Jun 11, 2020 19:41:56 GMT
My area is in the 2nd stage of opening. DH is an essential worker so he has gone to work everyday since the beginning. He has to wear a mask the whole day. By the time he gets home he is really really over it, so he stays home just so he doesn't have to wear a mask. He's gone fishing once with my adult ds (who is also an essential worker) and they did not wear masks. I've been back to work since May 4. I wear a mask if I go out to the counter, but in my office I am mask free. I still wear a mask at the grocery store and target (the only 2 places I've been besides work since the SIP was ordered).
We have a sign outside our shop that asks that you stay in your car and call to let us know you are here. Our masked/gloved employee will come out to help you. Most people drop their vehicle and keys with us and we call when the vehicle is ready for pick up. Some have to wait, so we have separated our waiting room across the showroom floor. We have way more than 6' between the waiting customers. I will say that only about 25% of the customers are wearing masks and the ages are all over the board. When your vehicle is ready we try to take Credit card info from you over the phone, but super incredibly most people are paying cash. I've made more bank runs with large sums of cash over the last month than I have in my previous 9 years! So they come in and pay and we then sanitize everything.
My stepdad (74) who is alone in another state, has gone out every single day to the grocery store (he wears a mask). I tried to reel him in and begged him to stay home, but the employees at the store are his only human contact everyday besides my daily phone call and he refused to give that up. I get it. Mom passed in Nov. His grievance group was canceled. His senior softball was canceled, his mall walking with his buddies was canceled. His mental status is more important than his physical status to him at this point. His area has opened to stage 2 now. He was so excited to go get a haircut at this barber that he was there at 6:00 am waiting to be the first in line. He went to his favorite restaurant and ate in. I can't deny him doing these things (like I could stop him since I'm 3 states away) because he would rather get sick and die than be alone more than he already is.
So I will not judge anyone as to why they are out, why they are or aren't wearing masks. I will just do my part and follow what is asked of me. I'll wear my mask for the other "Moms and Dads" that are out there just trying to have some human contact.
Our highest number of cases are in the 20-29 year old group. 2nd is 30-39, 3rd is 40-49, 4th is 50-59, 5th is 60-69, 6th is 70-79, 7th is 80-89, 8th is 10-19, 9th is 0-9 and 10th is 90-99.
Our deaths are from the 50-99 year old groups. The most being in the 80-89 age group. We have stayed at a pretty consistent 3-7 people hospitalized at a given time in a population of just over 500k. Our death total is 37 and hopefully stays there, as any death is too many.
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Post by gina on Jun 11, 2020 19:49:17 GMT
Here is another perspective. Most people stayed home for three months in order to flatten the curve so that healthcare systems were not overwhelmed and to prevent, not eradicate, as many of the vulnerable from getting sick and dying. That has been achieved in many places so it is time to pivot to take care of the mental health of those who have been suffering from the SIP. If we need to pivot back in the fall, then we pivot.
We didn't SIP to completely eradicate the virus we did it to not overwhelm the health care system. That goal was achieved. Now while they are developing a vaccine we need to let those that want to get back to "normal" do so with the appropriate precautions in place.
Agree with all of this! I am in NY which was hit hard. My husband is an FDNY Lieutenant so he never stopped working. I am a homebody by nature so aside from having the kids around 24/7, I don't feel like that much changed in our house. I did have to shut down my side business for a bit. Now we are in phase 2 and EVERYONE is outside participating in outdoor dining. Frankly, I am thrilled. I am tired of being held prisoner at home. We did what we were asked. We stayed home and did not go out. NYC's mayor and governor are two of the biggest jackasses on the planet. I am so tired of their "morning show" on the news channels. There is so much hypocrisy on what is allowed, what isn't... funeral of 500 allowed for one, some family member's bodies have been kept on ice all this time... First the Governor closed down all pools for the Summer. Yesterday, he announced they're opening on the 29th! It's just so much insane back and forth, they don't know what they are saying half the time. All of that said, I wear my mask in the store. My kids had to wear masks to go clean out their lockers this week. We follow the rules. I also have allowed them all to have friends over. They've gone out. We are done being held hostage in our houses while NYC drags us around for their puppet show. I can't wait for my hair appointment tomorrow to cover my grays and as soon as the nail salon is open, I am there! |
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Post by RosieKat on Jun 11, 2020 20:08:36 GMT
If we get a second wave in the fall, they can forget putting SIP back on us again. Nobody will do it again. I was just having that conversation with DH last night. Judging from road traffic here (Texas), people are pretty much back to normal. It's not as crowded as it is during the school year, but it never is in summer. Heck, my daughter was asked to play in a basketball tournament this coming weekend! (We said no.) We've decided to let the kids do some sports practices because it is good for their mental and physical health and it's with the same group of kids. DH can still work from home and I usually only get out for a once every 2 weeks grocery trip and maybe a drive through errand or two, so the behavior of the adults in the household is still the same. I am concerned though, because there is a threshold hospitalization number that they don't want us to exceed, and we're getting closer and closer to that. We have warned the kids repeatedly that if that number becomes too high, we're pulling back on their activities. We can't hide in our house for two years, so we figure odds are good we'll get Covid - but we want to be sure there's space in the hospital if it comes to that. |
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Post by shessoaverage on Jun 11, 2020 22:14:51 GMT
I don't get why everybody thinks their governor is to blame for them having to stay home for a while. The damn virus is in charge of this s#it. It doesn't care if you're tired of being home or whatever. It's happy to go ahead and populate you if you're out there. Who wants to die from something preventable? And I can't imagine what the copay is on a month-long stay in the hospital, even if you have insurance.
I am over 60, so I get the frustration. I've stayed active, healthy, exercised, taken my supplements, kept a normal BMI, etc., so I could enjoy this part of my life. Had great stuff lined up all year. It's all been cancelled. If you're 30, you have plenty of time left. In five years, this will probably all be forgotten and you'll have many years of "freedom" ahead, while I'll probably be entering more problematic health years. Climbing to the top of the Duomo in Florence may not be an option for me then. It sucks. This is like a prison sentence for a crime I didn't commit. This is a lost year I'll never get back. But I'm willing to suffer (hopefully) shorter-term discomfort for a chance of better times ahead.
I'm staying home, except for going to the grocery or getting takeout. I wear a mask, even though I live in the south, where it's fricken' hot now. Nobody is making me. I haven't lost my damn freedom. I'd like to have to have the freedom to live for a while longer. This is what's right for me. Other people have other opinions and priorities. Just don't blame it on a governor who was trying to do something- anything - to keep people safer in the face of an unknown disease with absolutely NO guidance from the federal government.
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Post by gar on Jun 11, 2020 22:30:36 GMT
I am over 60, so I get the frustration. I've stayed active, healthy, exercised, taken my supplements, kept a normal BMI, etc., so I could enjoy this part of my life. Had great stuff lined up all year. It's all been cancelled. If you're 30, you have plenty of time left. In five years, this will probably all be forgotten and you'll have many years of "freedom" ahead, while I'll probably be entering more problematic health years. Climbing to the top of the Duomo in Florence may not be an option for me then. It sucks. This is like a prison sentence for a crime I didn't commit. This is a lost year I'll never get back. But I'm willing to suffer (hopefully) shorter-term discomfort for a chance of better times ahead. I'm with you there, in every sense. |
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Post by jackietex on Jun 12, 2020 1:27:26 GMT
My 85 year old inlaws have pretty much ignored all the recommendations, saying that they'd be fine even if they caught COVID. My mother-in-law can't deep breath or cough, so I seriously doubt it. My father-in-law insisted on flying from Chicago to Austin to pick up, and drive home, one of their cars. It was just ridiculous. When I go to the store, the ones without masks are teenagers and the elderly.
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Post by jenjie on Jun 12, 2020 2:25:21 GMT
Finish line = 14 days with no new cases (my definition) I can't tell you who is out and about because we are still SIP. I'm past 70 and he is past 80. Grocery store, meal PU and very important items are all we are going out for. I don't know why, but I never thought you were past 70. I have this picture in my head of you being this 30 something hipster librarian. Doesn't really change anything - you're a hip 70-something librarian, but I read this post and thought "Oh, that's interesting!" Same! |
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 12, 2020 3:17:06 GMT
My honest feeling is that a lot of people simply said "done" when they saw all the protesters and looters. The feeling for many was "what the heck am **I** doing home when tens of thousands of others are out and none of the people who have been screaming "stay home or die" even seem to care. I know that's been my own thinking (although DH and I are still SIP) and the thinking of many, many others. I think when all the marching began, the end of SIP began. It’s been like that here since we ended lockdown on May 8th unfortunately, so maybe it just depends on where you live. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 12, 2020 3:33:04 GMT
Our area in NY can move to phase 3..so restaurants can open to 25% and nail salons can open. Masks are still "required"...I hope that ends soon. There's so many other precautions in place plus we keep getting mixed messages about them, give us the option. Will I wear one, yes but I should "be allowed" to drop it in a store if no one is around. I think there are some who would wear one if it was an OPTION and not a REQUIREMENT No, they wouldn’t. It’s an option here, and they mostly choose to not. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 12, 2020 3:39:12 GMT
Except that in places like New Zealand, they did seem to eradicate the virus. While here, we have done anything but. Maybe if people had had a different outlook on it from the beginning we would be in a different place than we are now. We can not compare our country to New Zealand. They closed their borders. They are secluded on an island. Their population is 4.8 million. US population is roughly 331,002,651. The attitude towards the virus is also vastly different. As is their respect for their leader. If we’d had that here, it would’ve helped, regardless of the population difference. Although I’ll agree geographic remoteness/isolation also helps. |
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Post by ntsf on Jun 12, 2020 4:04:06 GMT
the shutdown in new zealand was much stricter.. no takeout food.. pure essential trips. big pr campaigns from the police and govt.
the lack of leadership in the us has killed thousands..
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Post by catmom on Jun 12, 2020 4:52:23 GMT
Whenever I read these threads about people out and getting pedicures and whatnot, I feel like I'm reading about a foreign culture! Ontario is still in phase 1 and Toronto will stay in phase 1 for the next couple weeks at least.
I'm still staying home and only leaving for groceries and necessities. DH is still going to work of course. I've definitely noticed people getting more cocky and acting like things are normal. Last weekend the neighbours invited us over for drinks and I nearly had a heart attack at the thought lol. I mean it seems foolish but also kind of naughty. You know things have been rough when going to the neighbours makes me feel like a teenager sneaking out of the house to meet my boyfriend! We didn't go because DH was just back from Mexico (for work) and hadn't had his COVID tests results back yet.
On a more serious note, I didn't go to the march last weekend for the same reason. On the one hand I genuinely believe that these protests are worth taking the risk. But despite wearing masks and people doing their best, I could tell from the previous week's protests that there would be 0 physical distancing. And after nearly 3 months of not leaving the house I just couldn't bring myself to do it. So I chickened out at the last minute, like a big chickeny chicken.
I would guess less than half the people are wearing masks when I'm out at the grocery store.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 12, 2020 5:58:24 GMT
I've been SIP since March 14th and have been out of the house less than 5 times. I only go out if it is absolutely necessary and DH and I share the grocery shopping trips. I'll be going out grocery shopping tomorrow and I'll be doing 2 weeks worth which I normally do.
My plan is to continue to SIP and since DH and DS are still working from home that is their plan too. Because our state, Maryland, is the 9th highest state in the nation in terms of Covid cases and deaths at this time I think this makes the most sense for all of us. I recently turned 60, DH is 55 and DS is 31.
People can do whatever they wish. I, for one, will be waiting for some time before I get my haircut, go to the dentist, or go shopping for clothes, or anything other than grocery or medication. If that means months that's okay by me. I value my life too much for it to be wiped out by a preventable virus that I have some control over preventing just by staying home and isolating myself. My parents live 15 minutes away (both are 80) and I miss them so much. But I value their lives even more and do not want to take any chance of infecting them so I haven't been over to see them since March. They understand and we talk by phone.
I do think SIP is easier for introverts than extroverts. DH and I are both introverts and for us this isn't that difficult. DS is an extrovert and is missing his friends very much. Thank goodness for social media. Remember the days of snail mail?
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Post by christine58 on Jun 12, 2020 10:39:31 GMT
I feel like I'm reading about a foreign culture! Ontario is still in phase 1 and Toronto will stay in phase 1 for the next couple weeks at least. My cousins live in Woodstock and she is going to the salon for a hair cut on Monday. Is that in Phase 2? |
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Post by luvnlifelady on Jun 12, 2020 11:02:00 GMT
the shutdown in new zealand was much stricter.. no takeout food.. pure essential trips. big pr campaigns from the police and govt. the lack of leadership in the us has killed thousands.. I disagree with that. Many were in nursing homes and had other comorbidities going on. They died FROM Covid, not OF it. Yes, it's sad to lose anyone but we can't keep everyone from dying. At one point recently, one of our neighboring counties had 71/77 of their deaths in ONE nursing home but that county is the last to go green in our area (today). The whole thing was shut down for that one place pretty much. Wow! |
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Post by catmom on Jun 12, 2020 11:16:26 GMT
I feel like I'm reading about a foreign culture! Ontario is still in phase 1 and Toronto will stay in phase 1 for the next couple weeks at least. My cousins live in Woodstock and she is going to the salon for a hair cut on Monday. Is that in Phase 2? Woodstock Ontario? Yes, part of Ontario enter Phase 2 today and hair salons are included. Unfortunately we don’t even have a date yet for Toronto, but hopefully by end of June. |
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Post by christine58 on Jun 12, 2020 11:18:23 GMT
Woodstock Ontario? Yes, part of Ontario enter Phase 2 today and hair salons are included. Unfortunately we don’t even have a date yet for Toronto, but hopefully by end of June. Yes Woodstock Ontario.. |
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Post by katiejane on Jun 12, 2020 11:59:05 GMT
Another country's perspective and although our government has not been outstanding in any shape or form, we are only just easing lockdown measures.
We are not near getting back to normal yet. And until there is a valid working treatment option I am reluctant to. A vaccine is not looking like it is immediately coming, so until they can improve the outcomes for people who catch it, we are happy to stay in our bubble, and limit catching it or passing it on as much as possible.
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Post by uksue on Jun 12, 2020 12:13:06 GMT
I’m quite surprised at posts I’ve seen on my Facebook feed of people seemingly just going about their business again now.
We’re still being very careful : it’s my 60th tomorrow, but we are having a SD get together on the terrace of my daughters appt building ( so in fresh air) Just my three kids, grandson and me-and as much as I will be tempted, I won’t be hugging my grandson or youngest ( who is returning from 3 months at his dads house) as it clearly still isn’t safe .
I’ve been back to work 2 days this week to start letting patients know we are reopening next week, and to book appointments . We’ve taken a lot of care to create a one-way system through the practice that keeps patients and staff safe and I will be wearing a mask and visor when dealing directly with patients . We have created a strict cleaning regime .
I don’t want to get this far only to get sick now!
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Post by compeateropeator on Jun 12, 2020 12:56:31 GMT
I just got back from my Costco run. Up until today, masks have been mandatory in the store and in the last month they have been supplying free ones to those who did not have one of their own. They’re still handing out masks but now, all of a sudden, it’s not mandatory for customers to wear them, just employees. I’m in Canada, and there really isn’t any political agenda attached to mask wearing. In Costco today, I would say at least 1/3 of people were not wearing them. Age made no difference at all but there were more women than men not wearing. I saw a lot of couples shopping together and the man would be wearing but not the woman. All ages. I went to my Costco (USA) yesterday for the first time since the end of February. The crowd was not bad. 👍 They still had someone wiping down the carts for you as you took them. I did not see anyone not wearing a mask other than children. I may have seen a few people wearing them but not over their nose. They still had all their signage up that it was required. I was just trying to just get my stuff and get out. They had moved things around again so I had to make a few rounds to find a couple of thing and was grumbling to myself about that...hahaha. Overall it was a good experience. I am still not up to just stopping by to pick something up silly-nilly...I am only shopping with “intention”. (Probably the only time I will be able to somewhat use this trending word so I am jumping on it...hahaha). 😉😄🤷♀️ |
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 12, 2020 15:12:02 GMT
the shutdown in new zealand was much stricter.. no takeout food.. pure essential trips. big pr campaigns from the police and govt. the lack of leadership in the us has killed thousands.. I disagree with that. Many were in nursing homes and had other comorbidities going on. They died FROM Covid, not OF it. Yes, it's sad to lose anyone but we can't keep everyone from dying. At one point recently, one of our neighboring counties had 71/77 of their deaths in ONE nursing home but that county is the last to go green in our area (today). The whole thing was shut down for that one place pretty much. Wow! That’s how Covid works, though. I don’t know that anyone dies OF it, but of complications caused by it. There is nothing to say these people wouldnt have lived for another however many additional years, if they hadn’t gotten Covid. It also makes perfect sense to me, that a community was shutdown for a nursing home. Where do you think the people who staff them, live? Once it’s in a nursing home it’s harder to get an outbreak under control there, judging by the amount of nursing homes all over the world that have been ravaged by it. |
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jun 12, 2020 15:36:31 GMT
I think now that things are starting to open, people are just done.
I'm not done. I have a tendency to get pneumonia with a regular cold so I don't want this virus. I'm going on 4 weeks with a wicked cough that has had me worried but I'm finally feeling better.
DS and I had a conversation as to how we wanted to approach this. Since I'm working remotely until Labor Day and DS is out of school we've made the decision to continue social distancing for the summer. We have projects to work on in the house that will keep us plenty busy. We'll get our exercise between walking the dogs and riding the Peloton (when it arrives!). I'll continue to do what I'm doing now, only going out when I absolutely have to. I'm fine with it.
I can't control what others are doing, I can only control what we're doing. So, while, I think people are jumping back to 'normal' a little too quickly, that's not my decision. I will say, if numbers skyrocket (which the medical field is predicting come fall), I think it'll be extremely hard to go back to a SIP/Stay at home order. Despite what a lot of people think/say, I do think the SIP/SAH orders did help keep the numbers down.
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Post by auntkelly on Jun 12, 2020 16:58:19 GMT
I have a healthy respect for covid. There was a documented outbreak in my expanded circle of friends in late February early March. One of my friends died of covid. (He might have had a chance to survive if he would have been diagnosed earlier). The vast majority of my friends and relatives who came down w/ covid, including my husband and myself, got sick to varying degrees and then recovered.
I think as we are learning more about covid and how to protect those who are most vulnerable, people are getting out more. I use common sense when I am out. I wash my hands often, wear a mask in tight spaces and stay home when I have a cough or scratchy throat. However, I don't live in fear, like I did in the beginning, when I was disinfecting every item that came into my home. I've tested positive for the antibodies, but I assume that I could catch the virus again if I am not careful and that I could pass it on to someone who may be vulnerable.
I think the virus is going to be around a long time. I hope and pray there will be a vaccine within a year, but I'm not counting on it.
Until we have a vaccine, I think everyone has to decide for themselves and their families how they are going to carry on.
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Post by jamieson on Jun 13, 2020 1:44:15 GMT
I would think at this point, 2 weeks into the protests, we would start ands see some spikes. I also believe that we will see more tested=more + results. The number I will keep my eye on is the hospitalizations. THAT is what we need to be looking at. I totally agree. As long as the hospitals aren't getting to the point of being overwhelmed I will go about my life (with precautions). Yeah, to hell with those hospital workers who risk their life to save you. |
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Post by whipea on Jun 13, 2020 3:17:15 GMT
Since I live in South Florida, I will remain SIP as long as possible. So many people come here from all over to participate in very important life functions such as visiting Universal and Disney to "live their lives". While they live their lives, my life is on hold because they only think of themselves.
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