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Post by stacy71 on Oct 30, 2014 13:38:12 GMT
Her attitude really bothers me. I don't care if she has no symptoms it still is the fact that states can decide what they want to do and she's breaking the law. Hopefully she is fine and won't have ebola, but if she does then what? 21 days is not too much to ask. She is the reason self-monitoring won't work. People think it won't happen to them they don't need to worry about it they can do whatever they want to do.
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Post by *christine* on Oct 30, 2014 13:39:34 GMT
I agree with you. She's taking a real social media beating about this. People are more incensed about her attitude it seems than the possibility she might transmit ebola to others.
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Post by littlemama on Oct 30, 2014 13:40:38 GMT
She is self monitoring, in accordance with the CDC guidelines. Until and unless she has a fever and other symptoms, she would not be contagious. The political posturing that led to her being quarantined in an unheated tent in a parking lot is ridiculous. The CDC has experience in these matters, governors of individual states who are gearing up for an election campaign do not.
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Post by blondiec47 on Oct 30, 2014 13:40:58 GMT
And didn't she say when in NJ that if they just let her go home she would self quarantine? I just don't get her attitude, its 21 days not weeks or months. To me, it sounds like she has ulterior motives.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 13:52:12 GMT
President Obama had several health care workers just back from West Africa with him at a news conference yesterday who are at the same status as Kaci. Looks like he doesn't agree with this idea.
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Post by lindas on Oct 30, 2014 13:54:04 GMT
DH and I were talking about this last night. I said that if she sued NJ and I were a juror I most likely would have voted for her but her attitude now has changed my mind. I no longer consider her a self-less caregiver, she has now become a selfish brat. She is daring the state to take action so she can add them to a lawsuit also hoping for a big payday.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 30, 2014 13:54:13 GMT
But...to play devil's advocate here...
She *is* self monitoring, and has already tested negative twice...she is doing exactly what the science says it is right. She has no fever, no other indicators that she is at a point where she is actively shedding the virus. There is no need for her to be quarantined, that just because she worked with ebola patients, that it does not mean that she has contracted the virus.
She is following the science, not the fear.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 13:55:38 GMT
Arrested for what? She isn't sick and is self monitoring. Like it or not she still has rights as a citizen. What they did to her in NJ was appalling. Stop with the fear.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Oct 30, 2014 14:00:48 GMT
Can we quarantine dumb asses?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 14:12:51 GMT
She hasn't broken a law so why would she be arrested?
I hope this goes to court. I really think something needs to get all these different agencies talking and having a cohesive plan. People have been taking care of ebola outbreaks in Africa for a long time and they come home and carry on with their lives. It wasn't until WE (Americans) got sick that people paid attention- who cares if Africans die- I think it is a little disgusting.
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Post by beanbuddymom on Oct 30, 2014 14:15:02 GMT
I think it's pretty awful how much of an attitude this nurse has. I mean I get she isn't testing negative for the virus NOW but do we really need to wait for her to start showing symmptoms while she is having breakfast at the diner downtown? It's not like symptoms have a timetable of only showing up in the privacy of your own home, she could start feeling or showing symptoms while she is out and about.
ALso she has been back for less than a week I think and the 2 nurses that cared for the patient in Texas didn't it take some time for them to show symptoms? There is a 21 day monitoring for a reason. They just ask that you stay out of the public during that time, I don't know why she can't adhere to protocol and shut up.
I have heard many theories about why she is being so vocal but it definitely rubs me the wrong way. I feel like she is going to create some problems for people adhering to rules in the future. She just comes across as arrogant and self-absorbed when in reality I am sure she wants things managed differently, she doesn't across as helping anyone or the situation at all and only interested in her own civil rights.
I'd be pretty p.o.ed if I were her boyfriend as well, though he seems that he has chosen to support her, he is in school as a paying college student in nursing I believe and has to miss 3 weeks of classes because of her. So her consequences have actions on the people around her.
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Post by craftsbycarolyn on Oct 30, 2014 14:15:24 GMT
I think anyone who had direct contact with Ebola patients should do a 21 day quarantine just to be sure and for the sake of other people...JMO
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Post by tuva42 on Oct 30, 2014 14:15:52 GMT
But...to play devil's advocate here... She *is* self monitoring, and has already tested negative twice...she is doing exactly what the science says it is right. She has no fever, no other indicators that she is at a point where she is actively shedding the virus. There is no need for her to be quarantined, that just because she worked with ebola patients, that it does not mean that she has contracted the virus. She is following the science, not the fear. This, exactly. We need to quit freaking out and look at the real science of this disease. Her attitude is inconsequential. She is not a risk to others right now.
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Post by beanbuddymom on Oct 30, 2014 14:16:52 GMT
She hasn't broken a law so why would she be arrested? I hope this goes to court. I really think something needs to get all these different agencies talking and having a cohesive plan. People have been taking care of ebola outbreaks in Africa for a long time and they come home and carry on with their lives. It wasn't until WE (Americans) got sick that people paid attention- who cares if Africans die- I think it is a little disgusting. But she HAS broken the law, as the state has mandated her quarantine. So she is going against the governor of Maine now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 14:18:49 GMT
It is a voluntary quarantine not held to any law. from this article.........Maine health officials, who have instructed her to remain at the house for 21 days, say they don't have the authority yet to prevent her from leaving her home until a judge signs off on a court order. link
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Post by moveablefeast on Oct 30, 2014 14:19:07 GMT
Let's see...
Tested negative twice. No fever. Not contagious. Self monitoring. Well educated health care professional who knows what to look for as symptoms go.
She is not a public health risk.
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Post by peabay on Oct 30, 2014 14:19:35 GMT
How many people who lived in a tiny apartment with Thomas Duncan caught Ebola - when he was effectively dying from it?
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Post by melissa on Oct 30, 2014 14:23:03 GMT
OMG
Why in the world are we putting people in quarantine who are NOT contagious???!!!!!
Seriously people. Get a grip.
Even once someone BEGINS to develop the illness, casual contacts will not catch the disease. Got that? The viral load needs to be exceedingly high to spread it.
I will once again bring up someone who was in the news. Mr. Duncan's casual AND close contacts did not contract the virus and he had far more than an elevated temperature when he was finally hospitalized. The people who have caught the disease were exposed to others with extremely high viral loads. That is the ONLY time you can catch it unless exposed to infected animals, especially bats.
The nurse may be an annoying PIA and I wish she were educating more than what she is doing.
The idea of quarantine sounds good until you really look at the nature of this virus specifically.
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Post by grinningcat on Oct 30, 2014 14:23:20 GMT
How many people who lived in a tiny apartment with Thomas Duncan caught Ebola - when he was effectively dying from it? Exactly. But histronics and public hysteria are much more interesting. It's a bunch of horseshit that she's being quarantined for no reason.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 30, 2014 14:26:25 GMT
The problem with all of this is we have no Surgeon General. No one to be the be all and end all of discussion. Our political system is so utterly broken that we cannot even appoint someone who can handle this. This is systemic of the larger failure. The failure of Obama and his appointing an Ebola Czar which means squat. The failure of the congress to get off their asses and get a Surgeon General in place. A failure to enact a set of rules and regulations that can actually be followed without putting undo strain on our already weak systems if a larger outbreak were to occur. The problem is if we are allowed to self-monitor and a huge outbreak occurred, what would really happen?
The infection rate is dropping in Africa, 25% a week was reported this morning. My friends husband has a lot of knowledge about these diseases and he said we already hit the high point on this one.
It was interesting to talk to him because he told me that above the 4 places in the US that can take infected patients, there is a 5th one. It is here in Frederick, MD where I work and this is where the real badass stuff is held. The stuff that the other 4 won't touch.
While I agree that her treatment in NJ was inhumane, I think she is just posturing at this point and feels like she has to follow through. I agree there has to be better measures to control the spread. She keeps saying she is not symptomatic and has tested negative. You will test negative until you have symptoms. Then you will test positive because it is in your bloodstream. The media is really screwing up the facts.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 30, 2014 14:27:16 GMT
But she HAS broken the law, as the state has mandated her quarantine. So she is going against the governor of Maine now. Again, devil's advocate here... (and I don't know if it is law yet or not) But if it is law, and she feels it is a bad law, does she not have the same right to dissent and test that law in court as we all do? She doesn't lose her basic constitutional rights just because someone says so, governor or not.
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Post by mzza111 on Oct 30, 2014 14:28:17 GMT
Can we quarantine dumb asses?  I'd vote for this as long as they are also quarantined from the internet so I don't have to read their stupidity.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Oct 30, 2014 14:35:57 GMT
If people are so concerned about public health, let's do this:
1. quarantine anybody who has the flu, has come in contact with somebody who has the flu, or has read a book about the flu 2. mandatory vaccinations (too bad for Jenny McCarthy they don't make vaccinations for stupid) 3. ban fatty foods and sugary drinks (oh wait, the NY mayor tried to do that and people were up in arms about too much government in their lives)
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Post by missmiss on Oct 30, 2014 14:37:48 GMT
The media has done it's job with fear mongering. If you come in contact with someone who has the Flu should you be in quarantine? If you come in contact with someone with AIDS should you go into quarantine? Her attitude to me is fine. How many of you are medical personal and how many are making decisions based on facts or fear?
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Post by melissa on Oct 30, 2014 14:41:56 GMT
If people are so concerned about public health, let's do this: 1. quarantine anybody who has the flu, has come in contact with somebody who has the flu, or has read a book about the flu 2. mandatory vaccinations (too bad for Jenny McCarthy they don't make vaccinations for stupid) 3. ban fatty foods and sugary drinks (oh wait, the NY mayor tried to do that and people were up in arms about too much government in their lives) I would also add that we should quarantine those who are unvaccinated based on fear and pseudoscience. They are a greater risk to public health and the health of infants and the immunosuppressed.
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Post by bearmom on Oct 30, 2014 14:46:31 GMT
And didn't she say when in NJ that if they just let her go home she would self quarantine? I just don't get her attitude, its 21 days not weeks or months. To me, it sounds like she has ulterior motives. Not to nitpick, but 21 days is 3 weeks. So it is weeks...... Maybe she would have self quarantined, but because it is being forced on her, she is rebelling?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 14:51:10 GMT
The media has done it's job with fear mongering. If you come in contact with someone who has the Flu should you be in quarantine? If you come in contact with someone with AIDS should you go into quarantine? Her attitude to me is fine. How many of you are medical personal and how many are making decisions based on facts or fear? Actually the op said in another thread she wants people with the flu quarantined too. Good times. SMH
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Post by ~Zoey~ on Oct 30, 2014 14:53:28 GMT
OMG Why in the world are we putting people in quarantine who are NOT contagious???!!!!! Seriously people. Get a grip. Even once someone BEGINS to develop the illness, casual contacts will not catch the disease. Got that? The viral load needs to be exceedingly high to spread it. I will once again bring up someone who was in the news. Mr. Duncan's casual AND close contacts did not contract the virus and he had far more than an elevated temperature when he was finally hospitalized. The people who have caught the disease were exposed to others with extremely high viral loads. That is the ONLY time you can catch it unless exposed to infected animals, especially bats. The nurse may be an annoying PIA and I wish she were educating more than what she is doing. The idea of quarantine sounds good until you really look at the nature of this virus specifically. Can we make a pinned thread about this?! Melissa, I applaud your patience in repeating this again and again.
I wish I could be surprised that the media is so irresponsible in reporting the facts about the doctor who is still in the hospital. They are quick to point out he was all over the city, but always forget to report that he wasn't actively sick during that time.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 30, 2014 14:56:07 GMT
Not to nitpick, but 21 days is 3 weeks. So it is weeks...... Maybe she would have self quarantined, but because it is being forced on her, she is rebelling? So again, devil's advocate: Wouldn't you? Rebel that is? We live in a country that allows us an extraordinary amounts of freedoms. There are a number of healthy debates here on the board about those rights (gun control anyone?) Her freedoms are being attacked in a way, and she is saying no thank you, look at the science, not the fear. Her freedoms were infringed upon when she was forced into the initial quarantine. By forcing her into a unnecessary quarantine, she is potentially losing those freedoms again. Doesn't she have the right to fight for those constitutional freedoms? Where are the people who argue against such things? Why aren't the same people who are fighting for their rights in other areas standing up and saying "NO, this is not okay?"
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